Are Ravindra Jadeja and Shakib Al Hasan Tests ATGs?

[Ab Fan]

Below are the stats:-

Ravindra Jadeja

Age:- 31
Bat AVG:- 36(1800 runs)
Bowl AVG:- 24(211 wickets)

Shakib Al Hasan

Age:- 32
Bat AVG:- 39(3800 runs)
Bowl AVG:- 31(210 wickets)

Discuss!

 

[Hyperion66]

None of them are test ATGs. Shakib is an ATG all formats combined. However I will have Jaddu in my team over Shakib in tests.

 

[Waleed93]

Shakib is definitely an ATG if you take into consideration all formats. Easily the 2nd best all rounder of this generation behind Stokes.

 

[Xoib]

Below are the stats:-

Ravindra Jadeja

Age:- 31
Bat AVG:- 36(1800 runs)
Bowl AVG:- 24(211 wickets)

Shakib Al Hasan

Age:- 32
Bat AVG:- 39(3800 runs)
Bowl AVG:- 31(210 wickets)

Discuss!

Yes to both but only atg for their count. Jadeja he has a ridiculous record a lot of his is home bullying but nothing wrong since he has home bullied every opposition consistently.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If you are a half decent player and you play for a crappy team you have some perks. You will never be dropped. You can plan your innings the way you want as you are the boss. You are in control of your things not someone else. It allows you to reach your full potential. Steve Tikolo, Tendoschate are a couple of examples. Shakib does enjoy this advantage.

 

[ElRaja]

the mark of an atg all rounder is if they can hold there own in at least one discipline.

jadeja in india as a bowler is next level (150 wickets at 21), his fielding and batting and very big perks.

shakib has decent records as a batsmen and as a bowler home and away, hes not got atg levels in either tho imo.

jadeja in asian conditions is an atg imo, and you just cant ignore his batting and fielding contributions, hes probably one of the best indian cricketers in terms of consistent contributions.

away from asia i dont think either would make a world xi at the moment.

 

[andy0204]

the mark of an atg all rounder is if they can hold there own in at least one discipline.

jadeja in india as a bowler is next level (150 wickets at 21), his fielding and batting and very big perks.

shakib has decent records as a batsmen and as a bowler home and away, hes not got atg levels in either tho imo.

jadeja in asian conditions is an atg imo, and you just cant ignore his batting and fielding contributions, hes probably one of the best indian cricketers in terms of consistent contributions.

away from asia i dont think either would make a world xi at the moment.

Shakib has 5 fers in England,SouthAfrica,scored a double hundred in New Zealand.
You are right Jadeja is better in subcontinent conditions.
Shakib will be my pick outside Asia,Jadeja in Asian conditions.

 

[ElRaja]

Shakib has 5 fers in England,SouthAfrica,scored a double hundred in New Zealand.
You are right Jadeja is better in subcontinent conditions.
Shakib will be my pick outside Asia,Jadeja in Asian conditions.

yes he does, but my point is that if ur looking for a world xi, ravi jadejas performance in india with the ball is world class, on his bowling alone u can argue he gets in.

shakib is a very good batsmen, but an average of around 38 with the bat isnt good enough to merit a place on batting performance alone imo.

away from asia id rather have a seaming all rounder and specialist spinner (which shakib doesnt hold down a spot imo), and ben stoke and cdg would get the nod because of that.

 

[King_Kohli]

Both are in same phase at his moment but going forward jadeja will lead

 

[BDfanforever]

If you are a half decent player and you play for a crappy team you have some perks. You will never be dropped. You can plan your innings the way you want as you are the boss. You are in control of your things not someone else. It allows you to reach your full potential. Steve Tikolo, Tendoschate are a couple of examples. Shakib does enjoy this advantage.

I would say its the opposite, being in a crappy team can significantly hinder your performance.

Shakib was also one of 11 Wisden ODI player of the decade. He didn't make it there just by being in a crappy team.

 

[tyron_woodley]

ofcourse both are ATGs. shakib is one of the greatest all rounders in odi. jadeja is an ATG player in tests specifically. Not in the best player of all time top 10 category though. He is still a ATG.

He is a bit of a home bully. However, he has some good performances away from home too. He isn't like a top 10 ATG type all rounder but he is up there amongst the top 20 greats.

I would still take jadeja over shakib in tests and vice versa in odi's.

odi there is no doubt shakib is a an ATG. jadeja is just a slightly above average player in odi.

 

[Hitman]

) ) Please don't insult the term ATG. Shakib is a really good player, and Jadeja is extremely useful to his team in Tests. But the term ATG is reserved for the best of the best.

 

[Junaids]

Has Jadeja got his Test bowling average outside Asia under 40 yet?

When he does, he will have improved to Zulfiqar Babar level on the all-time list.

 

[Hitman]

Has Jadeja got his Test bowling average outside Asia under 40 yet?

When he does, he will have improved to Zulfiqar Babar level on the all-time list.

Oh, yea. I see suddenly that international cricket becomes your criteria for greatness. Why not check his domestic record instead?

 

[Junaids]

Just checked, Jadeja has 30 wickets in 10 Tests at an average of 40.28 in SENA.

So quite a long way to go.

 

[Ab Fan]

Has Jadeja got his Test bowling average outside Asia under 40 yet?

When he does, he will have improved to Zulfiqar Babar level on the all-time list.

Abdul Qadir has test bowling average of 46 outside Asia.

So, fair to say that Jadeja has already surpassed him and improved a level ahead now from Qadir level.

 

[Hitman]

Abdul Qadir has test bowling average of 46 outside Asia.

So, fair to say that Jadeja has already surpassed him and improved a level ahead now from Qadir level.

Forget Asia, he averages 48 away from home.

 

[tyron_woodley]

jadeja is a true 3 dimensional player. To be a true all tim3 great he neednto either bat or bowl well in australia, England and new zeland though. I think he is quite handy with the bat in n.z. Not sure about australia and England.

 

[Ab Fan]

) ) Please don't insult the term ATG. Shakib is a really good player, and Jadeja is extremely useful to his team in Tests. But the term ATG is reserved for the best of the best.

I think Shakib is certainly an ODI ATG and a test great while Jadeja is also a test great and very good in ODIs. However, in tests, if they can continue or elevate their performance even more, we may see two test ATGs in making.

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

Shakib is an ATG

 

[Waleed93]

) ) Please don't insult the term ATG. Shakib is a really good player, and Jadeja is extremely useful to his team in Tests. But the term ATG is reserved for the best of the best.

Shakib certainly has a strong claim if you take into consideration every format.

He just had a GOAT level WC, has been ranked as the best all rounder across formats for quite some time, has 10,000+ runs and over 550 international wickets as well.

If you remove Stokes from the list, I personally don't think any other current all rounder can be called better than Shakib.

 

[Hyperion66]

Few thousand runs and a couple hundred wickets doesn't make one a test great. At least not in my book. Numbers and longevity matter the most in this oldest, purest and grandest format of the game.

 

[big_gamer007]

Abdul Qadir has test bowling average of 46 outside Asia.

So, fair to say that Jadeja has already surpassed him and improved a level ahead now from Qadir level.

Don't think anyone will call Qadir ATG. Pakistan has 4 ATG only, Miandad, Wasim, Waqar and IK.

YK and Inzi are borderline ATG in tests.

Jadeja and Shakib are not ATG.

IMO, ATG is an exclusive club of the very best and should not be diluted by including very good players.

 

[Sidilicious]

Shakib is the better ODI player, and Jadeja the better test player.

In fact, Jadeja is the perfect AR in asian conditions, even better than Shakib. In SENA, I will take neither in the squad. I would go for a fast bowling AR and an attacking spinner.

 

[ElRaja]

Don't think anyone will call Qadir ATG. Pakistan has 4 ATG only, Miandad, Wasim, Waqar and IK.

YK and Inzi are borderline ATG in tests.

Jadeja and Shakib are not ATG.

IMO, ATG is an exclusive club of the very best and should not be diluted by including very good players.

id say yk is atg, ave almost 40 or above against every opponent, only played 20 odd tests at home, 34 hundreds, 8 not outs in 4th innings test wins, and technically one of the best players of spin of his generation.

 

[big_gamer007]

id say yk is atg, ave almost 40 or above against every opponent, only played 20 odd tests at home, 34 hundreds, 8 not outs in 4th innings test wins, and technically one of the best players of spin of his generation.

Wouldn't argue with anyone who wants to rate him as ATG. It comes down to what one considers the threshold for being an ATG.

Some people rate players like Sehwag, Kumble, Yousuf, Walsh, Clarke etc as ATG as well but I wouldn't.

 

[IMMY69]

Cricket truly is dead when you have a thread arguing which of Jadeja or Shakib are ATG’s...

 

[Ami]

ATGs?
Do people know what the word 'great' means?
Kapil, Imran, Botham, Hadlee, Kallis ...great.
Shakib, not there yet.
Jadeja, No.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If India forms an ATG XI i am sure Jaddu won't feature in it ahead of Ashwin, Kumble. Jaddu is not a skillful spinner like Ashwin. He relies on natural variations that pitch offers on day 4, 5. He is accurate. Ashwin on the other hand is man with bag of tricks.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Cricket truly is dead when you have a thread arguing which of Jadeja or Shakib are ATG’s...

if jaddu performs well in n.z and England then he is pretty much guaranteed to be in that list.

 

[light]

Neither are All time great. Great player of thier era for their respective country, however Jadeja is no allrounder. He is a bowler who can bat a bit. Shakib is a complete package. Jadeja is a better bowler than shakib. The only two real allrounder of this generation is Stokes and Shakib, who can win you a game with either bat or ball. Rest, I don't even know whey we call them allrounders ...

 

[Ab Fan]

Both are elite level genuine test all-rounders.

 

[mystical man]

Both are better than shahid afridi who is considered a legend of the game.I was always in awe to see how and why this guy was given such a long run in the team.

 

[happydavy]

Good - yea
Great - naah
ATG - hahaha

 

[Ab Fan]

57 important runs, 3 wickets at AVG of 13.3.

Genuine All-rounder!

 

[Ab Fan]

4-62 today, game changing performance with the bowl.

 

[szrana007]

4-62 today, game changing performance with the bowl.

Jadeja is turning out to be the next IK. GOAT allrounder.

 

[Ab Fan]

Jadeja is turning out to be the next IK. GOAT allrounder.

Lol )

But he certainly is heading to become a test great.

 

[Ab Fan]

Has Jadeja got his Test bowling average outside Asia under 40 yet?

When he does, he will have improved to Zulfiqar Babar level on the all-time list.

Asian spinners outside SENA:-

Ashwin 61 wickets at 39(20 tests)
Herath 54 wickets at 42(20 tests)
Yasir 46 wickets at 55(16 tests)
Jadeja 41 wickets at 35(13 tests)

What do you think now, [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]? The thread has worked pretty well for RJ till now.

 

[Buffet]

Lol )

But he certainly is heading to become a test great.

Pretty likely to end up as a test great. 2K runs avg of 36 and 200 wickets at avg of 24. Even being a spinner his away bolwing avg is 32.

 

[Ab Fan]

Pretty likely to end up as a test great. 2K runs avg of 36 and 200 wickets at avg of 24. Even being a spinner his away bolwing avg is 32.

He has a good 3-4 years of cricket left in him. Pretty fit as well.

I expect him to take 300 test wickets and reach 3000 test runs by the time he retires.

 

[szrana007]

Lol )

But he certainly is heading to become a test great.

Sir Jadeja is the GOAT

 

[Varun]

Jadeja is the most improved player after Ishant in our team.

A mini Steve Smith story.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Shakib Yes (overall)
Jadeja No (or atleast not there yet)

Shakib is probably Bangladesh's GOAT as well.

 

[cricketjoshila]

He has a good 3-4 years of cricket left in him. Pretty fit as well.

I expect him to take 300 test wickets and reach 3000 test runs by the time he retires.

He will have 350 plus test wickets.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

No. But Jadeja's numbers as an all-rounder in the 2 years are outstanding. If he plays all of India's matches home and away he will definitely end his career as one of India's ATGs.

Shakib will never be considered among the greats because of Bangladesh being a horrendous test outfit that never wins anywhere. He can give the most outstanding individual performances with both bat and ball and they won't make an iota of difference because at the end Bangladesh will lose. Case in point: His incredible double-century in New Zealand where Bangladesh lost the match after scoring 595! in the first innings

 

[Shoaib88]

Lol one half decent performance against an out of form team and all Indians calling jadeja GOAT Shadab Khan will go on to become what all Indians dreamed Jadeja of becoming

 

[Executioner]

Shakib is easily an ATG in ODIs, probably one of the greatest spin bowling allrounder ever.

Unfortunately when it comes to tests, not only does he get limited support from others, he played far fewer tests during his prime years.

Shakib might be considered a great in tests when he retires, not an ATG, but I reckon when you consider his performances overall, he will definitely retire as an ATG of the game, just not among the best in tests.

As for Jadeja, wonderful utility player, but I am not sure he will be an eventual great as an allrounder. He is a decent batsman, but not someone like Stokes or Shakib.

 

[arunpsm]

Jaddu is a live wire, yet has mellowed in the past couple of years with almost zen like approach to his cricket. May not be ATG, but its comforting to see him coming out to bat (bowl not so much), even in very difficult situations.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Jadeja is very under-rated.

He is very close to being an ATG AR at this rate.

Whattay performance.

 

[Hyperion66]

Shakib is easily an ATG in ODIs, probably one of the greatest spin bowling allrounder ever.

Unfortunately when it comes to tests, not only does he get limited support from others, he played far fewer tests during his prime years.

Shakib might be considered a great in tests when he retires, not an ATG, but I reckon when you consider his performances overall, he will definitely retire as an ATG of the game, just not among the best in tests.

As for Jadeja, wonderful utility player, but I am not sure he will be an eventual great as an allrounder. He is a decent batsman, but not someone like Stokes or Shakib.

let's not belittle him using stupid phrases like this. He is an out and out match winner in test match cricket. He changed the complexion of the game today on a flat patta, without him Aus probably would have gone on to score 450+. These ain't mere 'Utilities', these are impact performances.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Shakib is easily an ATG in ODIs, probably one of the greatest spin bowling allrounder ever.

Unfortunately when it comes to tests, not only does he get limited support from others, he played far fewer tests during his prime years.

Shakib might be considered a great in tests when he retires, not an ATG, but I reckon when you consider his performances overall, he will definitely retire as an ATG of the game, just not among the best in tests.

As for Jadeja, wonderful utility player, but I am not sure he will be an eventual great as an allrounder. He is a decent batsman, but not someone like Stokes or Shakib.

Jadeja is a better test player than Shakib.

Jadeja's bowling stats alone are near ATG level and he can play as a genuine world class bowler.

Utility player. Lol.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Jadeja is the best test all-rounder since Kallis. Performs equally well with both bat and ball. Not very good in LOI though.

 

[bujhee kom]

Shakib is superior in a wider range of conditions.

 

[Rajdeep]

Both are not ATGs.

Shakib is marginally better all round player than Jadeja.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Neither of them. Shakib a BD ATG. Not sure if Jaddu is an Indian ATG. Numbers are not enough to justify that tag.

 

[Ab Fan]

Shakib posting phenomenal figures of 4-9 vs Australia in the final T20 match and achieving player of series in the Bangladesh T20 win vs Australia.

Jadeja showing his class with bat in Nottingham as he scored a valuable 56 and gave India a major lead going into second inning of the test match.

Clearly, both spin All-rounders are up there and often goes off radar while seam bowling A/R like Stokes gets all the hype while being inconsistent compared to the other two.

 

[Executioner]

Jadeja has been brilliant in Tests, although I am not sure how long he will continue to play.

As for the debate with Shakib, he is easily up there with the best Allrounders ever and if you doubt that, you might fancy checking the stats. He has been a great servant for us in all format, with the weakest of his aspect being T20I batting but even that he does reasonably well but not high quality by any means.

As for the conversation regarding stokes being the best A/R. Stokes is a world class batsman and even then Shakib has better stats than him in tests and T20Is albeit inferior record at home. When it comes to bowling, Shakib genuinely can walk into many teams for his bowling ALONE which Stokes can't do. While both of their test average in bowling are close, shakib is far superior in the other forms by a considerable margin. These ofcourse are however just base stats, imo stokes is a better T20 batsman than Shakib but not by a big margin while Shakib is definitely better as a test bowler and the reason why his Bowling average is high is because he seldom gets support from his bowling partners. Stokes is a batsman who can bowl a bit. He only gets so much attention because he plays for England. Shakib regularly tops the ODI, T20I charts for best AR and used to be regular Topper in Test AR chart but lack of tests played by him didn't really help him afterwards (and tbf Ashwin and Jadeja did pretty well)

 

[Junaids]

TEST BATTING AVERAGES IN SENA:
1. Shakib al Hasan 41.00
2. Shadab Khan 37.33
3. Ravindra Jadeja 31.09

TEST BOWLING AVERAGES IN SENA:
1. Shakib al Hasan 30.44
2. Shadab Khan 31.07
3. Ravindra Jadeja 36.54

So it looks like Jadeja is coming third in a two-horse race.

And it highlights again that Pakistanis are crazy not to see the quality of the spin bowling all-rounder that they have under their noses.

 

[Junaids]

TEST BATTING AVERAGES IN SENA:
1. Shakib al Hasan 41.00
2. Shadab Khan 37.33
3. Ravindra Jadeja 31.09

TEST BOWLING AVERAGES IN SENA:
1. Shakib al Hasan 30.44
2. Shadab Khan 31.07
3. Ravindra Jadeja 36.54

So it looks like Jadeja is coming third in a two-horse race.

And it highlights again that Pakistanis are crazy not to see the quality of the spin bowling all-rounder that they have under their noses.

The best measure of an all-rounder is usually considered to be BATTING AVERAGE MINUS BOWLING AVERAGE.

So:

Shakib al Hasan +10.56
Shadab Khan + 6.26
Ravindra Jadeja - 5.45

That's not great for Jadeja!

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

None of Jadeja, Shakib or Shadab will reach ATH status, I have grown up seeing Jacques Kallis so these guys are mediocre infront of Kallis. Stokes with his masterful performance in the Ashes and World Cup final will be remembered for a long time as an impact player who has served with dignity for the Queen

People remember winners, Stokes playing for a champion team is rated all over the world. Not to mention he is a fearless bloke, when Mitchell Johnson ended the careers of Ian Bell, Kevin Peterson, Matt Prior, Tim Bresnan, Monty Panesar, Graeme Swann, Coventry it was one man who wasn't afraid of facing fiersome Johno it was the 'FIRESTARTER'

 

[Ab Fan]

The best measure of an all-rounder is usually considered to be BATTING AVERAGE MINUS BOWLING AVERAGE.

So:

Shakib al Hasan +10.56
Shadab Khan + 6.26
Ravindra Jadeja - 5.45

That's not great for Jadeja!

Jadeja Bat AVG - 36
Bowl AVG - 24

Imran Bat AVG - 37
Bowl AVG - 22

Very similar stats but Jadeja is twice as good a fielder too!

 

[Junaids]

Jadeja Bat AVG - 36
Bowl AVG - 24

Imran Bat AVG - 37
Bowl AVG - 22

Very similar stats but Jadeja is twice as good a fielder too!

Except, of course, that Jadeja's successes are all in home conditions in Asia.

As I've written, in SENA his numbers are quite a lot worse than Shakib's and Shadab's.

 

[AMSS]

Except, of course, that Jadeja's successes are all in home conditions in Asia.

As I've written, in SENA his numbers are quite a lot worse than Shakib's and Shadab's.

Brother, Shadab's so bad his bowling average matches Jadeja's batting average.

Are you a betting person? My bet is Jadeja and Shadab will both finish their career with their batting and bowling averages, respectively, over 40. How do you feel about it?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Brother, Shadab's so bad his bowling average matches Jadeja's batting average.

Are you a betting person? My bet is Jadeja and Shadab will both finish their career with their batting and bowling averages, respectively, over 40. How do you feel about it?

Are you sure? I mean when others give predictions like that people like you start losing their sleep. Shadab is 22. He is still a baby in world cricket just like Pant. He will definitely improve from here onwards.

 

[Ab Fan]

Except, of course, that Jadeja's successes are all in home conditions in Asia.

As I've written, in SENA his numbers are quite a lot worse than Shakib's and Shadab's.

You are clearly trolling here by putting a guy with 6 test matches in contention and I am not even sure how many of those 6 test matches are even in SENA. Shakib and Jadeja are clearly in different league.

Shadab is a good LOI bowler and a very good fielder but not sure about his test cricket skills yet. This thread is about proven performers like Jadeja and Shakib.

 

[mastimasti]

You are clearly trolling here by putting a guy with 6 test matches in contention and I am not even sure how many of those 6 test matches are even in SENA. Shakib and Jadeja are clearly in different league.

Shadab is a good LOI bowler and a very good fielder but not sure about his test cricket skills yet. This thread is about proven performers like Jadeja and Shakib.

I don't think he's trolling, he may seems to be including Shadab because the guy is very inexperienced and young but already proved more consistent in SENA than Jadeja.

As for Shakib, imo he is an ATG, lower tier or sure but certainly a terrific player. Jadeja is not and it's quite a silly comparison imo.

 

[Ab Fan]

Are you sure? I mean when others give predictions like that people like you start losing their sleep. Shadab is 22. He is still a baby in world cricket just like Pant. He will definitely improve from here onwards.

One need an eye to understand the best talent that's coming out from the game.

You look at this thread. It was created back in 2019 and it was a time when most deluded Indian fans were hyping Pandya as the next Kapil Dev but calling out Jadeja as average A/R.

However, this thread was created by a genius who saw how Jadeja is improving himself as a cricketer and has really come a long way. In the next two years, you can see that Jadeja has been averaging something like 50 with bat and his overall stats are there to be seen. A great talent can be spotted by just watching enough glimpses of it, not necessarily looking at only stats. Furthermore, you already know how I got it so spot on in case of Gill and Pant after the Adelaide Test.

To conclude, two really masterclass predictions and you can expect more to come with time.

 

[sweep_shot]

I think neither are Test ATGs.

The term ATG gets thrown around a lot nowadays.

 

[AMSS]

I don't think he's trolling, he may seems to be including Shadab because the guy is very inexperienced and young but already proved more consistent in SENA than Jadeja.

As for Shakib, imo he is an ATG, lower tier or sure but certainly a terrific player. Jadeja is not and it's quite a silly comparison imo.

You mean the same way Prithvi Shaw is ten times the batsman Babar is ( with a dud test record) although young and inexperienced?

 

[Rajdeep]

Both are not ATGs

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

The best measure of an all-rounder is usually considered to be BATTING AVERAGE MINUS BOWLING AVERAGE.

So:

Shakib al Hasan +10.56
Shadab Khan + 6.26
Ravindra Jadeja - 5.45

That's not great for Jadeja!

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

Ian Bothams averages in Aus, Nz, Wi
Batting avg 28
Bowling avg 31
Difference = - 3 .

Same stats for Richard Hadlee

Batting avg 23
Bowling avg 22
Difference = 1


Bhuvi Kumar stats in Sena

Batting avg 31
Bowling avg 29

Shadab has already achieved more than Botham and Hadlee as a cricketer.

Looks like this is the order

Shakib >Shadab>>>Bhuvi >Hadlee>Botham>Jadeja.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

yes he does, but my point is that if ur looking for a world xi, ravi jadejas performance in india with the ball is world class, on his bowling alone u can argue he gets in.

shakib is a very good batsmen, but an average of around 38 with the bat isnt good enough to merit a place on batting performance alone imo.

away from asia id rather have a seaming all rounder and specialist spinner (which shakib doesnt hold down a spot imo), and ben stoke and cdg would get the nod because of that.

Jadeja a ATG lol no way. His bowling stats are a result of home domination on spin wickets. Also with the advent of T20, there has been a general decline in the quality of playing quality spin worldwide. Kohli a ATG himself has been a bunny of quality spin many times.

 

[Ab Fan]

Jadeja a ATG lol no way. His bowling stats are a result of home domination on spin wickets. Also with the advent of T20, there has been a general decline in the quality of playing quality spin worldwide. Kohli a ATG himself has been a bunny of quality spin many times.

Sir Jadeja averages 43 in Australia with bat and 21 with bowl.

He also averages 25 with bowl in South Africa.

Now this means his failures in England and New Zealand with bowl are acceptable as it is only two country and ultimately he is an all-rounder who also averages 36 with bat.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Jadeja is one of the finest players of our generation and Shakib is also a top tier all rounder.

I think they are both comfortably ATG all rounders although not at the same level of Kapil, Imran, Hadlee, Botham and Afridi.

 

[Hitman]

Jadeja is one of the finest players of our generation and Shakib is also a top tier all rounder.

I think they are both comfortably ATG all rounders although not at the same level of Kapil, Imran, Hadlee, Botham and Afridi.

Afridi?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

One need an eye to understand the best talent that's coming out from the game.

You look at this thread. It was created back in 2019 and it was a time when most deluded Indian fans were hyping Pandya as the next Kapil Dev but calling out Jadeja as average A/R.

However, this thread was created by a genius who saw how Jadeja is improving himself as a cricketer and has really come a long way. In the next two years, you can see that Jadeja has been averaging something like 50 with bat and his overall stats are there to be seen. A great talent can be spotted by just watching enough glimpses of it, not necessarily looking at only stats. Furthermore, you already know how I got it so spot on in case of Gill and Pant after the Adelaide Test.

To conclude, two really masterclass predictions and you can expect more to come with time.

Thing is you use the word ATG too loosely and commonly here. Gifting this tag to every other decent/good cricketer like a 'prasad' shows you don't understand the importance of this word.

 

[Ab Fan]

Thing is you use the word ATG too loosely and commonly here. Gifting this tag to every other decent/good cricketer like a 'prasad' shows you don't understand the importance of this word.

Not really. The names mentioned in the OP have a strong claim atleast based on statistics, which you consider as more important than subjective opinion

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Neither are ATG. Jadeja still have some chance if he continues to perform like this until he retires. Shakib is done and he is a fine player, but not even borderline ATG.

 

[Cricketrenew]

NO, Shakib could have been.