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Are you in favour of 3 separate captains for 3 formats for Pakistan?

Are you in favour of 3 separate captains for 3 formats for Pakistan?

  • Yes, this is a great idea

    Votes: 7 63.6%

  • No, we should have one captain for all formats

    Votes: 4 36.4%
  • Total voters
    11
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This news doing the rounds in the media

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Quite apart from the personnel in this picture, do you think this is the way forward for Pakistan cricket?
 
No.

This will be marred as a political move

It is time for Rizwan. He was being groomed

His time is now
 
Shadab should be LOI teams captain. Imam should be test team's captain. To complement them you need a coach like Tom Moody. :inti
 
If Shan becomes ODI captain then we really have seen the final nail in the coffin of Pakistan cricket. Khulay aam sifarish, not even trying to hide it anymore.

Having said that. No, I don’t mind it. You select your best team and then select the player most equipped for captaincy.

However if that captain has proven to not be captaincy material over a number of years, there’s no harm in trying other options even if it means different captains each format. I don’t buy the “locker room tension and power struggle” argument. That stuff can arise regardless, especially if the players know an unqualified captain is leading them.
 
Makes sense for a different test captain. But for white ball cricket, there should one captain and that should be Babar or Rizwan.

Saffi wont come back into the white ball team so his authority wont be undermined when being the test match captain.
 
I rate Sethi as a PCB Chairman but if he takes this brain dead, ridiculous decision of making a pathetic player like Shan captain in any format, I will not be able to support him anymore.

Making him vice-captain was bad enough. This would be pure madness.
 
Given the depleted choices, Babar is still the best to lead.

I would prefer Shadab being the captain in T20 and also ODI but I fear he will do selfish moves such as promoting himself to number 3/4.
 
Mamoon said:
I rate Sethi as a PCB Chairman but if he takes this brain dead, ridiculous decision of making a pathetic player like Shan captain in any format, I will not be able to support him anymore.

Making him vice-captain was bad enough. This would be pure madness.
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Way way way…

Told ya that Sethi was a disaster
 
There should only be one ODI and T-20 Captain. A seperate test captain is warranted. I am in complete favour of removing Babar as captain from all formats although its probably a better idea to leave him till the 2023 ODI WC.
 
There should no such thing as white ball or red ball captains.

ODI is more closer to Test than to T20.

- Make Imam ul Haq or Azam Khan the ODI/Test captain.
- Make Shadab Khan the interim T20 captain.
 
Not so sure about 3 captains. However love the idea of sarfaraz captain for tests, only thing is we aren’t playing tests till late in the year. In ODIS, I’d love to see them play sarfaraz as a specialist batsmen in the middle order, and Rizwan as a wicketkeeper. I think Sarfaraz would do quite well in india at the World Cup.
 
ArabKnight said:
There should no such thing as white ball or red ball captains.

ODI is more closer to Test than to T20.

- Make Imam ul Haq or Azam Khan the ODI/Test captain.
- Make Shadab Khan the interim T20 captain.
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Azam Khan, in our team is hideous even in T20s. Captain in ODI and TEST :)) :))

Just when you think you won't ever read insane posts you're never disappointed:)) :)) :))
 
I’d like to see Shadab captain Pakistan in t20s, because I’m curious to see how he does if allowed to pick his own team. The series where he was captain (away to NZ w/ Misbah as coach), he was provided with a laughable squad (Abdullah Shafique as opener, Fahim Ashraf and Imad in the bowling attack) and lost 2-1, but captained well there.
 
Pakpak said:
Azam Khan, in our team is hideous even in T20s. Captain in ODI and TEST :)) :))

Just when you think you won't ever read insane posts you're never disappointed:)) :)) :))
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He has not played much in the team for you to say that he is hideous. That is just not a fair assessment.

Jason Holder, ex West Indies captain complimented Azam Khan recently. Talent recognizes talent is a good saying, if you have heard of it.

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:sarf_facepalm
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Yea, it is true.

ODI is closer to Test.

Average RR of a good innings across formats
Test - 4 RPO (90-120 overs)
ODI - 6 RPO (50 overs)
T20 - 10 RPO (20 overs)
 
ArabKnight said:
He has not played much in the team for you to say that he is hideous. That is just not a fair assessment.

Jason Holder, ex West Indies captain complimented Azam Khan recently. Talent recognizes talent is a good saying, if you have heard of it.



Yea, it is true.

ODI is closer to Test.

Average RR of a good innings across formats
Test - 4 RPO (90-120 overs)
ODI - 6 RPO (50 overs)
T20 - 10 RPO (20 overs)
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For Pakistan

T20 is also close to Test
 
arabknight said:
he has not played much in the team for you to say that he is hideous. That is just not a fair assessment.

Jason holder, ex west indies captain complimented azam khan recently. Talent recognizes talent is a good saying, if you have heard of it.



Yea, it is true.

Odi is closer to test.

Average rr of a good innings across formats
test - 4 rpo (90-120 overs)
odi - 6 rpo (50 overs)
t20 - 10 rpo (20 overs)
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You should post more often
 
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The best person should be in charge of the side. We don't need to get overly creative and copy paste solutions from elsewhere.

In Tests Babar has failed miserably but there is no other player who is an automatic pick. He needs to be strengthened with a good coach and be made a dummy captain for a bit. The think tank should take a bold stand and come up with a strategy for home tests that doesn't involve phattas and then back the team accordingly.

In ODIs he hasn't done much wrong and should be backed for the world cup.

In T20s he has sadly failed in 3 major tournaments and there are other automatic picks - Shadab, Shaheen for example have captained at domestic level and I have always felt Imad could become a decent skipper too.
 
Safraz & Baba are 2 losers not even worth talking about. Make Masood Interim captain he may not score big but he won’t donate 100 runs each innings as the current loser captain does !!
 
gazza619 said:
You should post more often
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Thank you. Azam Khan has the prowess to lead Pakistan at the World Cup this year.

I have believed that captains should also come at top of the batting lineup. Azam Khan is talented to play as an opener alongside Sharjeel/Fakhar.

Positive intent and cricket wins matches. That is why Imran Khan who promoted himself to 3 and scored a fast top scoring 72 in the 1992 WC Final resulted in a famous win.

Something reminiscent decades later, where Shahid Afridi did the same. He promoted himself to 3 and scored a quick top scoring 54 not out to chase the Sri Lankan total in the 2009 World T20 Final.

Remember the brutal century of the opener Fakhar Zaman in CT17 Final against India? Guess what? That resulted in a victory. A fine example of how to play match winning innings.

Like I said. Positive intent wins matches. Players like Ramiz Raja and Rizwan are losers that will never win you a trophy. They have such a negative impact on the team, it is ridiculous.

You need players like Imran Khans, Shahid Afridis, Fakhar Zamans, and Azam Khans to win.

A player like Azam Khan is worth his weight in gold. A champion minded player that plays for the team and gives his best to help the team win. To my knowledge, he is best candidate to be the Captain and Opener of Pakistan at this moment.
 
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No, absolutely not.
It will result in horrible chemistry that will lead into grouping and internal politics which will result in settling scores and taking revenge to satisfy every captain’s huge ego.

It doesn’t work in Pakistani mindset and Pakistani atmosphere.

We need one danday maar type captain in all three formats - and there is none, in the entire 250 million population.
 
Sarfaraz Ahmed performed in 2 tests in Asia and now suddenly he should be considered for test captaincy? His keeping skills have deteriorated to an extreme extent - multiple dropped catches and missed stumping.

Pakistani fans unfortunately have a very short term memory. Even Rizwan has been much better overseas in test cricket and is a much better wicket keeper.
 
MenInG said:
This news doing the rounds in the media

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Quite apart from the personnel in this picture, do you think this is the way forward for Pakistan cricket?
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One captain and that is Babar Azam across all formats :)
 
Test : Babar captain . Rizwan VC/ Imam
ODI till WC : Babar . Shadab VC
T20 : Shadab . Shaheen VC
 
Shan being in any formats team let alone being the vice captain or captain is plain ridiculous.
 
This will be a short lived and abysmal decision. We will see captains performing poorly specifically in the format they are captain due to pressure. And it will become a hyper critical circus.

Babar has to stay LOI captain while someone else needs to take up the duty in Tests.
 
I am in favor of two captains. One for limited overs cricket and second for test cricket
 
Babar in T20 captain after loosing 3 important cups!!! Pathetic!!!

Sarfraz---Test Captain
Shadab--T20 captain
Imam---- ODI Captain
Babar should play ODI and test only as a pure batsman.
 
Shafi said:
Babar in T20 captain after loosing 3 important cups!!! Pathetic!!!

Sarfraz---Test Captain
Shadab--T20 captain
Imam---- ODI Captain
Babar should play ODI and test only as a pure batsman.
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This is a huge lobby which will never allow Sarfraz to become a Test captain. Even if he does become Tesr captain, he should not be keeper. Rizwan or Harris should be the wicket keeper.

I can’t say anything about Imad since he is not even in ODI squad.
 
Just bring in a coach like Mickey, Andy , Moody, Langer, Lehmann.. Things will change automatically

Babar might as well do much better as captain.. Saqi and Misbah are just dummies with no coaching credentials, since MA left the middle order in LOIs was non-existent , until afridi bring back Haris Sohail to re-instate that stability, which was what MA had in 2019 barring Hafeez at 4..

Separate captains for white ball and red/pink ball is acceptable.. but three diff captains lol, this pak sports journos wanna create sensation with whatever they think just to create headlines..

Crazy bunch :afridi1..
 
Lol! Sarfaraz at 36 in test cricket as captain and Shan at 33 in ODIs as captain when he isnt even regular in the team?

I hope the news agencies are just running their agendas and there is nothing behind it otherwise it would be a disaster.

Shadab if fit is the best choice for LOI leadership. The leadership group currently revolves around Babar, Rizwan, Shadab and possibly Shaheen. Leadership duties should remain amongst these rather than going towards players who have 1-2 years left and are not regulars.

Should be one LOI captain and one test, thats it. Yes on and off if someone is taking rest or is injured then leadership duties in T20Is can be shared within the same group mentioned.
 
Shadab as T20 Captain
Babar for ODI and TEST for now.

Enough of this Karachi media agenda of promoting mediocrity just for the sake of it. Sarfraz's time is over now as Captain.
 
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This is an absolutely ludicrous idea. Shan Masood isn't even an automatic selection in the ODI team. The only way he fits in is as a back-up to one of the openers. Sarfraz was sacked as captain after an atrocious run as captain during which he struggled to average over 20 and led us to series defeats against Sri Lanka and New Zealand in UAE.

Babar is not a great captain by any measure but removing him from ODIs, especially when Pakistan have won 9 of their last 10 ODIs is absolute madness.
 
The only captaincy candidates in the team right now are Rizwan, Shadab and to a lesser extent Shaheen.
 
aukhan said:
Shadab as T20 Captain
Babar for ODI and TEST for now.

Enough of this Karachi media agenda of promoting mediocrity just for the sake of it. Sarfraz's time is over now as Captain.
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Interesting you mention that. Because both Sarfraz and Shan Masood are from Karachi. Which also indicates that this could be a rumor fed to the media outlets.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Just bring in a coach like Mickey, Andy , Moody, Langer, Lehmann.. Things will change automatically

Babar might as well do much better as captain.. Saqi and Misbah are just dummies with no coaching credentials, since MA left the middle order in LOIs was non-existent , until afridi bring back Haris Sohail to re-instate that stability, which was what MA had in 2019 barring Hafeez at 4..

Separate captains for white ball and red/pink ball is acceptable.. but three diff captains lol, this pak sports journos wanna create sensation with whatever they think just to create headlines..

Crazy bunch :afridi1..
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None of these people are agreeing to coach Pakistan.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Interesting you mention that. Because both Sarfraz and Shan Masood are from Karachi. Which also indicates that this could be a rumor fed to the media outlets.
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Bhai, I know the mentality of Karachi ki awam. They only want Sarfraz to lead because of the Karachi factor and Sarfraz Apna hai. Most of them don't care if it will hurt Pakistan.

This same propaganda happened against Malik, Misbah, and Hafeez. As a Karachite, it is my responsibility to call out this media injustice against Pakistani captains. :afridi :sarf
 
Shaheen once hes fit again should be test captain. Shadab once he's also fit should be ODI and T20 captain.
 
Aaqib Javed:

"I wonder who is suggesting appointing different captains for different formats. It is good that Sarfraz Ahmed came back and performed well, but it doesn't happen like that, that you play two Tests and shake the whole system"

"There is no Test in eight months. All this is being done based on agenda and propaganda. It is indeed a challenge to take all three formats together, as it is difficult for the coaches and the captain"

"I think that the new management committee has to work on increasing the pool of players. Now we are not ready to make separate captains for each format"

"Sometimes we want to be Australia, sometimes we want to be England. First, learn from their success story, England lost badly in the 2015 World Cup held in Australia. But after that, they made a plan and followed it. Brendan McCullum made it more modern. The style of cricket they are playing now is not traditional cricket anymore. We have to do our homework first, and then we have to make some decisions"
 
Saeed Ajmal:

“Babar Azam is a good player and any negative aspect of his game can be rectified"

“There is no need for separate captains in all three formats. If they still want to do it, then they should only opt for separate captains in white and red-ball cricket,”
 
Babar should not be the T20 captain.

I'd say two captains. One for T20s and then one for ODIs and Tests.
 
According to Sports Reporters, Mickey Arthur still might be appointed as an advisor to Sethi on Cricketing Affairs even if he won't come to Pakistan. It was Mickey Arthur who recommended that Shan Masood be appointed as Vice Captain and for the Captaincy to be split across all formats.
 
Savak said:
According to Sports Reporters, Mickey Arthur still might be appointed as an advisor to Sethi on Cricketing Affairs even if he won't come to Pakistan. It was Mickey Arthur who recommended that Shan Masood be appointed as Vice Captain and for the Captaincy to be split across all formats.
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Is there any way I can mail a flying chittar at Mickey Arthur for this recommendation of Shan Masood?
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Babar is the best man to lead Pakistan
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Any Captain who fails to win a single test match at home for 8 test matches in a row and has lost 4 games and has looked clueless as a captain will struggle to retain his leadership.
 
Savak said:
According to Sports Reporters, Mickey Arthur still might be appointed as an advisor to Sethi on Cricketing Affairs even if he won't come to Pakistan. It was Mickey Arthur who recommended that Shan Masood be appointed as Vice Captain and for the Captaincy to be split across all formats.
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Failure recognizes failure.

Mickey lost 32 of his last 40 ODIs as Pakistan coach. Now he wants Masood to be vice-captain of the time.
 
You need the coach to be separate as well for this to work aka Baz and Stokes...no point splitting captains if the coach is the same...

For example, I wouldn't mind someone like Misbah to coach our test team but keep him away limited overs cricket.

For T20s and ODIs, it would be good to have a foreign coach.
 
Ideally Pakistan needs a Test captain and one captain for the white ball formats.

In my opinion Babar can lead in the white-ball formats but we don't have a ready-made Test captain at the moment it seems.
 
In an ideal world it should be Shaheen for tests and Shadab for both LOI formats , and it would be big and visible upgrade , nothing against babar but he just doesn't have it , it might actually make him even better as specialist batsman . So win win for all.
 
Any suggestions as to who should be the captain in every format?
 
In ODI cricket

If there was one player who I would say to him that: “you do what’s best for you, so you be the captain”

That would be Fakhar Zaman
 
Rana said:
Mohammad Rizwan

All 3 formats
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Don’t think so. For a wicketkeeper to be playing all 3 formats (and leagues), batting up the order and then captaincy is too much of an ask.

Imad is your white ball captain and if Sarfaraz is willing to work harder on his keeping can be your red ball captain. We are hopeless in red ball anyway so lets give it to Sarfaraz, may be he can improve things.

I know the thread is about captaincy but Saqlain and MoYo absolutely must go from the coaching set up as that will also have an impact on the future captain.
 
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Anyone in red ball. Give it to Abid Ali for all i care. Babar is not test captain and that is ok.

However he has done very well in white ball cricket and should retain ODI and t20 captaincy.

Given we have established that we talking about a team with almost zero captaincy alternatives, his LOI record is well above average as are obviously a mediocre team with no leaders or stand out players.
 
Red ball sarfaraz
ODI. Babar. ODI squad
T20 shahdab
T20 squad
Fakhar. Imam
Sharjeel. Fakhar
Haider ali. Babar
M.Haris. Haris sohail
Azam Khan. Iftikhar
Shahdab. Rizwan
Imad Wasim. Nawaz
Haris rouf. Shahdab
Hassan Ali
M.Amir
Shaheen
 
I think the captain should either be 1 player 2 at max.

Ideally if you cant have 1 captain for all three formats, the captain should be the same for white ball cricket (ODI and T20) and test should be different.
 
MenInG said:
This news doing the rounds in the media

k6PqARX.png


Quite apart from the personnel in this picture, do you think this is the way forward for Pakistan cricket?
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Yes, but none of these three should be leading the team in any format.

Two captains , one for test and other for WBC , from Rizwan , Shadab and Imam.
 
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Mamoon said:
I rate Sethi as a PCB Chairman but if he takes this brain dead, ridiculous decision of making a pathetic player like Shan captain in any format, I will not be able to support him anymore.

Making him vice-captain was bad enough. This would be pure madness.
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THIS.

I don't know who has put this idea in his head that just having good English and being a captain in county means Shan should be appointed Pakistan's captain as well.

It will be a terrible move.

I do think Test and ODI+T20 captains should be different, so we need two captains.
 
Asif Iqbal on Mohammad Rizwan as captain:

“Leading in limited-overs games can be extremely draining, and Babar is Pakistan’s best batter and therefore needs to be properly handled. If limited-overs captaincy is given to Rizwan, Babar can bat with [added] freedom for the team without any extra responsibility,” he said.

Aamir Sohail :

“I do not agree that change in captaincy will bring any significant progress. Is there a guarantee that a new skipper will result in improved showing by the team?”

“Instead of captaincy, focus should be on grooming budding players, which Pakistan definitely has in abundance.”
 
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Kamran Akmal on this topic:

"I don't support three captains for three different formats. You can have two captains. Also, there's no time to change a captain now, because you have a World Cup coming up. You could've made the change after the T20 World Cup last year, because the new captain would've had some experience by then"

"You can have two captains, for sure. You can manage workload that way. It's not easy to captain in all three formats. Virat Kohli ki himmat hai jo 5 saal nikaal gaya, Rohit Sharma ko ek saal nahi hua aur uski haalat dekh lo kya ho gayi. Toss me bataana bhool gaya ki batting karni hai ya bowling (Kohli is brave that he spent 5 years as captain across formats. Rohit didn't even complete a year and look what's happening to him. He even forgot at the toss if he wants to bat or bowl)"

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...ive-remark-on-indian-skipper-article-97304378
 
Not a bad idea but for Gods sake remove shan at least from the image shown. Whats his performance?
 
Hassan Ali on Shadab Khan as captain:

“He is ready [for Pakistan captaincy]. He has proved himself as a captain in PSL. I think he has also lead Pakistan in two matches, so I think he is ready. If he is given the responsibility, he will avail it. He is always ready for any challenge and gives his best"
 
Pak team after a long time looks like playing as a 1 Unit for last couple years (regardless of results of the games).. good job keeping the trouble maker and fixers out of Squad. We are very vulnerable when it comes to playing as One team. Having different captains will create the groupings with the teams for sure...
 
Najam Sethi in an interview:

"I also consulted Mickey Arthur, who also currently opposes any changes and said that we will see how things go in the future. Arthur, coaches, selectors, and the media will assess Babar's performance as captain and batsman. If the team continues to achieve victories in matches, then who can remove them from their position? In that case, they also have the right to stay in their current role,"

"I think it is premature to talk about leadership now. In the recent series against New Zealand, Babar is the best choice for captaincy in two formats. We will see what the selectors, coaches, and Arthur think in the future. It is also important to know Babar's own stance on the matter. He also our star batsmen,"
 
As per media report:

Babar Azam is set to be announced as Pakistan captain for all three formats till the 2023 World Cup in India later this year.
 
Please keep Babar as captain for the Australia away series too

Poori Tassali karwao iski kaptaani ki
 
Rana said:
Please keep Babar as captain for the Australia away series too

Poori Tassali karwao iski kaptaani ki
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Looks like that great era for Pakistan cricket you promised is here. Enjoy it and don't be bitter.

Mickey Arthur will do what's best for Pakistan cricket.
 
MenInG said:
Looks like that great era for Pakistan cricket you promised is here. Enjoy it and don't be bitter.

Mickey Arthur will do what's best for Pakistan cricket.
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Of course I will enjoy it in my own way ;)
 
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