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The Qarabakh[1] region of the Republic of Azerbaijan is part of the geographical region that covers the territory stretching from the Lesser Caucasus Range in the west to the plains at the confluence of the Kura and Araks in the north. Since ancient times, this region has been part of various Azerbaijani states. Qarabakh is one of the oldest settlements and cultural centers of Azerbaijan. In 1923, during the Soviet era, the Nagorno-Qarabakh Autonomous Region (NKAO) was created in the upland part of Qarabakh on a territory of 4.4 thousand km², which contributed to the emergence of separatist aspirations.

http://thelondonpost.net/armenians-...-mosque-pigsty-occupied-qarabakh-no-protests/




The Armenian-Azerbaijani Nagorno-Qarabagh conflict erupted in 1988 with open claims of Armenians to the ancestral lands of Azerbaijan and ethnic provocations. In 1987-1989 over 250 thousand Azerbaijanis living in Armenia were forcibly expelled from their ancestral lands. In late 1991 – early 1992, the stage of armed confrontation of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict began. Taking advantage of the political instability that arose as a result of the collapse of the USSR and internal strife in Azerbaijan, Armenia, with military assistance from abroad, began military operations in Qarabakh.



In February 1992, an unprecedented massacre of the Azerbaijani population was perpetrated in Khojaly. As a result of the bloody tragedy that went down in history as the Khojaly genocide, thousands of Azerbaijanis were killed and disappeared, and the city itself was wiped off the face of the earth.

In May 1992, the Armenians occupied Shusha and the Lachin region, located between Nagorno-Qarabagh and Armenia. In 1993, the armed forces of Armenia seized six more areas around Nagorno-Qarabagh – Kelbajar, Agdam, Fizuli, Jabrail, Gubadly and Zangelan.

The city of Agdam is one of the largest cities in Qarabagh. The name of the city comes from the local Turkic dialect – “the white house illuminated by the sun”, which in abbreviation sounds like “Agdam”.

Qarabakh Jamia Masjid Azerbaijan

Studies conducted in the early 50s of the twentieth century proved that the ancient people began to inhabit this area during the Eneolithic period (IV-VI millennium BC). There are hundreds of architectural and artistic monuments in the area. There are historical architectural monuments, settlements, burial grounds, barrows, etc. rare examples of different historical periods.



Before the war of the 90s, the city developed an industrial, agricultural and cultural sector. The Agdam region alone had a larger population than the entire Nagorno-Garabagh. In addition, there were: a railway station, museums, theaters, schools. The city of Agdam was considered one of the pearls of Azerbaijani architecture. For example, there was a unique museum of bread with unique ancient exhibits.

As a result of the Armenian aggression on July 23, 1993, a large part of the Agdam region, 89 settlements, whose population was subjected to ethnic cleansing, was captured. Six thousand inhabitants only died during of the city’s defense. After the Armenians captured Agdam in 1993, the city was completely plundered and destroyed. All the cultural heritage of the Azerbaijani people was barbarously destroyed. Armenian troops destroyed all city buildings, however, the city mosque partly survived in this chaos.



The Agdam Mosque, one of the religious monumental buildings of Qarabagh of the 19th century. The mosque was built by the architect Karbalayi Safikhan Qarabakhhi from 1868 to 1870, at a time when Agdam became an important trading center of the region. The architecture of the Agdam mosque has all the characteristic features of the Qarabagh region. The mosque has two minarets and two floors. The building of the mosque is made of stone, and the minarets from the corners of the facade of the building are made of brick. Four columns with the central support of the dome creates a two-story square balcony in the middle and sides of the interior. These balconies overlooking the worship hall and for women are also covered with domes from above. Here, in almost every detail, you can find the relationship of the quadrangle and the circle, which is important for Islamic art.

Despite the fact that the mosques were able to resist, the minarets of the mosque were demolished from the inside, the ceiling was broken in several places, the structures and inscriptions were broken. Moreover, the Armenians intentionally began to keep pigs in the Agdam mosque, turning religious monuments into an object for insults. The current situation of the Juma mosque confirms the violation by the Armenians of the 1954 Hague Convention on the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict.

In 1993, the UN Security Council during the period of active hostilities adopted 4 resolutions on Nagorno-Qarabakhh: 822 (April 30, 1993), 853 (June 29, 1993), 874 (October 14, 1993), 884 (November 12, 1993).


Armenian Church well being looked after in the Centre of Baku in Azerbaijan
According to UN Security Council resolution 853 (July 29, 1993), it contained a demand for “an immediate, complete and unconditional withdrawal of the occupying forces from the Agdam region and other recently occupied territories of Azerbaijan.”

Agdam, deprived of the pulsating life of civilization, cultural values and infrastructure, has become a lonely, creepy place in the world. British journalist Thomas de Waal called the city “little Hiroshima.” British travel George Mitchell also called Agdam “Caucasian Hiroshima.”

As a result of military aggression, the Republic of Armenia occupied more than 20% of the territories of Azerbaijan, killed more than 20 thousand people, injured, and crippled more than 50 thousand people. More than 1 million people, having become victims of the Armenian anti-Azerbaijan policy of genocide and ethnic cleansing, have been living in the situation of refugees and internally displaced people for more than 30 years.

The world should not be silent about the terrible cultural purges aimed at the centuries-old legacy of the Azerbaijani people in Qarabakh. Culture belongs to the world; its loss somewhere is a loss for all of humanity.

[1] Qarabagh in the ancient turkic language means “land-garden”, “country-garden”, “country-vineyard”.

(Gozalova Nigar, Assoc. Prof. Senior researcher at the Institute of History, Azerbaijan National Academy of Sciences. Her fields of interest are the International Relations & Area Studies and History of the South Caucasus. She has studied the history of Azerbaijan statehood and international Relations of South Caucasus.)


http://thelondonpost.net/armenians-...-mosque-pigsty-occupied-qarabakh-no-protests/
 
Just click on the link and look at the pictures of pigs, cattles and other animals inside this Mosque. Heartbreaking.
 
500 people live in this town which once had 50,000 people. Doubt any Muslims to take up the cause
 
Coz most people can't even pinpoint the country on the map, irrespective who is protesting for Hagia Sophia?

Also what is this newsite? When googled it came across some forum that said it ran from Lahore?
 
Also if this is in response to Hagia Sophia issue then it really shows the bias and that you don’t really care to understand the point.

Hagia Sophia is the central structure of the Eastern Orthodox Christian religion. It is their Kaabah! Even if it was converted to a mosque 500 years ago doesn’t mean it stopped being their holiest site. All they did was to construct a new church in the same city dedicated to St George and made it a makeshift symbolic holy site of their religion. And even in the protests it’s not like they are asking it back (even though I believe they have full right to). They are just asking for it to remain a neutral museum.

The fact that you’re comparing a site of that significance with a random mosque in a ghost town really does tell me a lot.
 
Coz most people can't even pinpoint the country on the map, irrespective who is protesting for Hagia Sophia?

Also what is this newsite? When googled it came across some forum that said it ran from Lahore?

Don’t know the website but the context is that the mosque was constructed in 1800s but in past few decades there were massive conflicts here and people driven out to the point it became a ghost town. There were 360 people there as per last census and mostly nomadic.
 
Most of the protests for Hagia Sophia are from Eastern Orthodox chrtistians and people who know why that site is so significant for them. This particular mosque has no historical significant, is in a destroyed town with a few hundred people and I doubt any Muslims; yet OP is comparing the two.

OP - please have a heart and just imagine if hindu compared an abandoned and derelict hindu temple in a small town of 100% Muslims in interior Sindh (such temples exist) to Masjid-e-Nabvi (if it was converted to a hindu temple in a hypothetical world). You are engaging in whataboutism at its peak
 
Also if this is in response to Hagia Sophia issue then it really shows the bias and that you don’t really care to understand the point.

Hagia Sophia is the central structure of the Eastern Orthodox Christian religion. It is their Kaabah! Even if it was converted to a mosque 500 years ago doesn’t mean it stopped being their holiest site. All they did was to construct a new church in the same city dedicated to St George and made it a makeshift symbolic holy site of their religion. And even in the protests it’s not like they are asking it back (even though I believe they have full right to). They are just asking for it to remain a neutral museum.

The fact that you’re comparing a site of that significance with a random mosque in a ghost town really does tell me a lot.

Orthodox priests literally sold it to the Turks 500 years ago, they have the deeds and titles. If it was such a sacred holy place they wouldn't have sold it, imagine Muslims selling the Ka'abah or Sikhs selling the Golden temple. Hagia Sophia has no historical significance in Christendom. Like Christian denominations, their holy places are in Palestine.
 
Over 600 mosques in Spain were converted to Churches, including the symbolic Cordoba mosque.
 
Lol at people comparing it to masjid e nabvi, orthodox christians are chrisians, their holy lands are no different and they're all in occupied Palestine. Hagia Sophia is more comparable to Rabwah, not a holy land but some significance in terms of history.
 
Shaykh Joe Bradford said it best

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Houston has a downtown church that was converted into a nightclub, but sure let's worry about a building 6,388 miles away. <a href="https://t.co/w7O8H6Rjf5">https://t.co/w7O8H6Rjf5</a></p>— Joe (@joebradford) <a href="https://twitter.com/joebradford/status/1282519890570686465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Lol at people comparing it to masjid e nabvi, orthodox christians are chrisians, their holy lands are no different and they're all in occupied Palestine. Hagia Sophia is more comparable to Rabwah, not a holy land but some significance in terms of history.

Do you even know what Eastern.Orthodoz Christianity is. Because this is a very stupid post.

Not all Christians are Catholics smh
 
Also if this is in response to Hagia Sophia issue then it really shows the bias and that you don’t really care to understand the point.

Hagia Sophia is the central structure of the Eastern Orthodox Christian religion. It is their Kaabah! Even if it was converted to a mosque 500 years ago doesn’t mean it stopped being their holiest site. All they did was to construct a new church in the same city dedicated to St George and made it a makeshift symbolic holy site of their religion. And even in the protests it’s not like they are asking it back (even though I believe they have full right to). They are just asking for it to remain a neutral museum.

The fact that you’re comparing a site of that significance with a random mosque in a ghost town really does tell me a lot.

It's a case of principles.

And re AyaSofia, there is nothing more to discuss there at all. The church was sold to the Sultan of the time. He paid the agreed amount with personal wealth. And he converted it to the Mosque.

He has a contract as well, and now if people start saying the purchase was under duress etc, then it's only what they think might have happend. And that is simply not a good enough argument as there is no evidence of this, but the proof in form of the contract is there.

Again I am only talking about principles, but you are overdoing it's staus. It was the largest cathedral in the World, but that doesn't automatically mean it was the most important. It has been under control of different sects.

Anyways that is not important. The court in Turkey has given it's verdict and that is final. If you come up with counter attacks by saying what if this and that court decides something in another country then you are doing just what you accusing others of doing.

My point with this thread was to make people aware of what is happening against muslims, but the World is silent, it might be not a famous place, but thousands of musmlims have been killed and look what they are doing with their Mosques. The whole World portrays muslims as evils and terrorists, but if you dig deeper you will see that all the killings which is happening in the World today are of muslims, you are smart enough to know that.
 
Shaykh Joe Bradford said it best

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Houston has a downtown church that was converted into a nightclub, but sure let's worry about a building 6,388 miles away. <a href="https://t.co/w7O8H6Rjf5">https://t.co/w7O8H6Rjf5</a></p>— Joe (@joebradford) <a href="https://twitter.com/joebradford/status/1282519890570686465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So we’re going to quote tweets of random nobodies making false equivalencies to make our points now?
 
Anyways the mosque here is in an abandoned town of 300 people with no Muslims and the mosque has no historical significance. But most importantly no one is really claiming it since the muslim are no. Longer there.

If OP really cared then he would point out to the mosques in Kashgar in China which were converted into bars and restaurants despite many Muslims being there. And the Muslims who protested were put in concentration camps. But OP won’t care for those Muslims because of obvious reason but will pick out a country which he cannot even point on a map.
 
So we’re going to quote tweets of random nobodies making false equivalencies to make our points now?

Joe Bradford isn't a nobody, he's a well respected Shaykh and Islamic scholar in America and also works as a Islamic finance advisor. Also even if he was a "nobody" his point still stands, focus on the message not the messenger.

 
Anyways the mosque here is in an abandoned town of 300 people with no Muslims and the mosque has no historical significance. But most importantly no one is really claiming it since the muslim are no. Longer there.

If OP really cared then he would point out to the mosques in Kashgar in China which were converted into bars and restaurants despite many Muslims being there. And the Muslims who protested were put in concentration camps. But OP won’t care for those Muslims because of obvious reason but will pick out a country which he cannot even point on a map.

What obvious reasons? If you think I am a blind PTI supporter/China supporter/ Army supporter then you are seriously mistaken. When I praised Imran Khan for talking about Kashmir, I also critisized him for not supporting Uyghur muslims in Xinyiang.
 
Joe Bradford isn't a nobody, he's a well respected Shaykh and Islamic scholar in America and also works as a Islamic finance advisor. Also even if he was a "nobody" his point still stands, focus on the message not the messenger.


Well his message has lot of holes and he’s making false equivalences. I pointed that out too
 
Do you even know what Eastern.Orthodoz Christianity is. Because this is a very stupid post.

Not all Christians are Catholics smh

Do you understand that Eastern Orthodox Christians are still Christian? They believe in Jesus of Nazareth, their holy places are all in Palestine. This was just a cathederal that also served as a Catholic cathederal for awhile as well. Istanbul is not the promised land, this is not some holy shrine mentioned in any of the Orthodox texts.
 
Do you understand that Eastern Orthodox Christians are still Christian? They believe in Jesus of Nazareth, their holy places are all in Palestine. This was just a cathederal that also served as a Catholic cathederal for awhile as well. Istanbul is not the promised land, this is not some holy shrine mentioned in any of the Orthodox texts.

Not here to give history lessons but learn about the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople and how it ties to Eastern Ortbodox Christianity and Hagia Sophia.
 
@IAJ

Let’s say Ajmer Sharif, Which is important to millions of subcontinent Muslims, is converted to hindu temple tomorrow. Would you be fine with that? Mind you the government of Rajasthan has ownership of it so they have the right to do it as per your logic.
 
@IAJ

Let’s say Ajmer Sharif, Which is important to millions of subcontinent Muslims, is converted to hindu temple tomorrow. Would you be fine with that? Mind you the government of Rajasthan has ownership of it so they have the right to do it as per your logic.

Lol you have gone in the same trap you were setting for others and I even warned you.

Anyways, what is the agreement here? You have the shrine there, in whose custody is the activities?, again you need to look what they have agreed on. I don’t know the details.
 
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] if you read the thread title carefully, it says that Aremnia converted a mosque into a pigsty not a church. A pigsty according to wikipedia is a
A sty or pigsty is a small-scale outdoor enclosure for raising domestic pigs as livestock. It is sometimes referred to as a hog pen, hog parlor, pigpen, pig parlor, or pig-cote, although pig pen may refer to pens confining pigs that are kept as pets as well. Pigsties are generally fenced areas of bare dirt and/or mud.

This is not even comparable to converting a church to a mosque or a mosque to a temple, they literally turned a mosque into a pig-pen purposely to insult and entice Muslims. Pigsty's have no significance in Christianity and serve no religious purpose. The Turks could argue that Hagia Sophia was used as a mosque for centuries by them and that would like to use it for prayer not to insult Christians but the Armenians literally have no excuse, no way to justify why they converted a mosque into a pig-sty knowing how insulting that is Muslims.
 
Orthodox priests literally sold it to the Turks 500 years ago, they have the deeds and titles. If it was such a sacred holy place they wouldn't have sold it, imagine Muslims selling the Ka'abah or Sikhs selling the Golden temple. Hagia Sophia has no historical significance in Christendom. Like Christian denominations, their holy places are in Palestine.
Yeah a Muslim conquerer came asked you to buy the church and priests had a choice to not sell the church

I don't think so
 
If someone wants to hear a renowned scholar than some random guy who’s only claim to fame seems to be being a white scholar then you should hear this:

https://youtu.be/pEvdT5j_Y4M
Someone's insecure, no need to insult Shaykh Joe cause of your ignorance. He's a respected source on Islamic finance, you may not be aware since you just got here.
 
Yeah a Muslim conquerer came asked you to buy the church and priests had a choice to not sell the church

I don't think so

They would've fought to death if it had any religious significance, afterall they didn't cause this has nothing to do with actual holy places in the holy land (Palestine).
 
Also shouldn't the signaficance of the building also taken into consideration how can one of the biggest and popular church building in the world at the time be compared to a building somewhere in Armenia where not a lot of Muslims live
 
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] if you read the thread title carefully, it says that Aremnia converted a mosque into a pigsty not a church. A pigsty according to wikipedia is a


This is not even comparable to converting a church to a mosque or a mosque to a temple, they literally turned a mosque into a pig-pen purposely to insult and entice Muslims. Pigsty's have no significance in Christianity and serve no religious purpose. The Turks could argue that Hagia Sophia was used as a mosque for centuries by them and that would like to use it for prayer not to insult Christians but the Armenians literally have no excuse, no way to justify why they converted a mosque into a pig-sty knowing how insulting that is Muslims.

Again you’re missing the point

I’m not even saying Armenians were right or justifying.

I’m also saying situations not comparable
 
Also shouldn't the signaficance of the building also taken into consideration how can one of the biggest and popular church building in the world at the time be compared to a building somewhere in Armenia where not a lot of Muslims live

Yes. It was literally their most important church.

The town in Armenia has 360 people population and no Muslims.
 
They would've fought to death if it had any religious significance, afterall they didn't cause this has nothing to do with actual holy places in the holy land (Palestine).
Oh c'mon wth
What kind of an argument is it?
If local Cristians didn't fight against a literal superpower of it's time does that mean that place had no religious significance for orthodox Cristians

Btw Russians always had a beef with Turks because of Hagia Sofia so it wasn't insignificant for orthodox Cristians they just didn't have empires or powers that could have helped them at that time
 
Also if muslims have so much love for this insignificant mosque in a town of less than 500 people with no Muslims then they should protest for it like the Eastern Orthodox Christians are doing.

But the sad fact is OP and others don’t really care for this mosque. They just want to use this mosque for their own intolerance. If they really cared for mosques then they would be raising hell for the mosques converted into bars in China.
 
They would've fought to death if it had any religious significance, afterall they didn't cause this has nothing to do with actual holy places in the holy land (Palestine).

This is literally the most ignorant thing I’ve read today. They did fight and got defeated. The siege lasted 53 days.

At end of every such battle there is an instrument of victory where things like these are settled.

The Western European powers kept trying for many years to recapture Constantinople btw so it’s not like they just forgot about it and moved on.
 
@IAJ

Let’s say Ajmer Sharif, Which is important to millions of subcontinent Muslims, is converted to hindu temple tomorrow. Would you be fine with that? Mind you the government of Rajasthan has ownership of it so they have the right to do it as per your logic.

Ajmer Sharif is not a holy site though. It is a sufi shrine if I am not wrong. Visiting shrine is not permissible according to many scholars.

Some desi Muslims may find it important but it is not an important site in Islam.

 
Orthodox priests literally sold it to the Turks 500 years ago, they have the deeds and titles. If it was such a sacred holy place they wouldn't have sold it, imagine Muslims selling the Ka'abah or Sikhs selling the Golden temple. Hagia Sophia has no historical significance in Christendom. Like Christian denominations, their holy places are in Palestine.

This.

If the church was sold, Turkish sultan had the right to convert it to anything. There is no proof that transaction happened under duress.

Again, no active church should be converted into a mosque but if the church gets sold, I see no issue.
 
Ajmer Sharif is not a holy site though. It is a sufi shrine if I am not wrong. Visiting shrine is not permissible according to many scholars.

Some desi Muslims may find it important but it is not an important site in Islam.


That’s my entire point

Eventhough it’s not as holy, muslims will be up in arms against that decision. But in this case Hagia Sophia is indeed holy no doubt and yet such a negative reaction
 
Also if muslims have so much love for this insignificant mosque in a town of less than 500 people with no Muslims then they should protest for it like the Eastern Orthodox Christians are doing.

But the sad fact is OP and others don’t really care for this mosque. They just want to use this mosque for their own intolerance. If they really cared for mosques then they would be raising hell for the mosques converted into bars in China.

Yes majority of Muslims could care less about this mosque. The issue is, there is a huge double standard in media coverage in the West. When a Muslim does something wrong either all Muslims or Islam is held responsible, even though Christians have done the same thing. So i believe the OP is simply pointing out the double standard.
 
Ajmer Sharif is not a holy site though. It is a sufi shrine if I am not wrong. Visiting shrine is not permissible according to many scholars.

Some desi Muslims may find it important but it is not an important site in Islam.


Majority of Pakistani and Indian Muslims are Barelvi. So Sufi shrines are important in the version of Islam they follow. And the majority of subcontinent Muslims, who dont visit shrines still respect those saints, and would certainly not want anything to happen to there shrines.
 
Yes majority of Muslims could care less about this mosque. The issue is, there is a huge double standard in media coverage in the West. When a Muslim does something wrong either all Muslims or Islam is held responsible, even though Christians have done the same thing. So i believe the OP is simply pointing out the double standard.

Who is holding all Muslims responsible here? Seems to be victim complex because I only see Erdogan getting the flak from western media.

Also the reaction would be similar and most Christians could also care less if a random church is converted into a mosque or a night club.

The whole point here is that this is happening to Hagia Sophia and not a random church. It’s true that some places of worship such as Kaaba, Vatican, Hagia Sophia etc etc have more value than others. When something happens to those then people care.
 
Who is holding all Muslims responsible here? Seems to be victim complex because I only see Erdogan getting the flak from western media.

Also the reaction would be similar and most Christians could also care less if a random church is converted into a mosque or a night club.

The whole point here is that this is happening to Hagia Sophia and not a random church. It’s true that some places of worship such as Kaaba, Vatican, Hagia Sophia etc etc have more value than others. When something happens to those then people care.

Read comments in articles, or You Tube videos, and you will see the Islamophobia. This is one of many topics where a different standard has been applied to Muslims. Humans have not been a peaceful people, but the amount of hate that Muslims get is too much now.

Look at the top 10 countries with the most homicides. They all have the same religion, and its not Islam. Do Muslims hold that religion responsible for the violence in those countries? What if the top 10 countries with the most homicides were Muslim, do you think non Muslims would point out Islam/Muslims as the reason for that?
 
Look at the top 10 countries with the most homicides. They all have the same religion, and its not Islam. Do Muslims hold that religion responsible for the violence in those countries? What if the top 10 countries with the most homicides were Muslim, do you think non Muslims would point out Islam/Muslims as the reason for that?

Wrong example. intra community violence is not the same as inter community violence. Which will outrage you more, a pakistani origin person killing another pakistani origin person in USA, or an indian origin person killing (hypothetically of course, as indians are model citizens) a pakistani origin person in USA?

I know what angers me more. When both aggressor and the victim belong to my shared identity, the pain is minor, but when the aggressor is from another community I want vengeance and blood.
 
Also if muslims have so much love for this insignificant mosque in a town of less than 500 people with no Muslims then they should protest for it like the Eastern Orthodox Christians are doing.

But the sad fact is OP and others don’t really care for this mosque. They just want to use this mosque for their own intolerance. If they really cared for mosques then they would be raising hell for the mosques converted into bars in China.

Converting a mosque to pig pen is absolutely disgusting, they did it to insult and now they have our attention.
 
So the narrative is that orthodox christians were coerced by the otthoman super power to sell the church?
 
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