As an Indian are you ashamed about our performance against England today?

[Jeetlodil]

Lol at people who think India put in their best to win the game. Not wanting to hit and not being able to hit are two different things.

 

[Captain caveman]

Everyone gave their very best except may be Jadhav. There is nothing to be ashamed of. 338 is not an easy score to chase. If it was the case, why did England with their mighty batting line up lose to Pakistan or SL? It all comes down to pressure. At some point you simply realize that the target is too big. That's all.

Pakistan fans should first question about the phainty they received from WI in their opener.

Stupid comparrison!
WI battered us with bouncers and won the game fair and square. We couldn't score and we couldn't stop them from scoring the 100 odd runs they needed!
We were never in a position were we had a chance to win!
India, on the otherhand, needed 78 from 36 balls and with 5 wickets in hand.
And they didn't go for it!
No one is saying they should have won, but they should have had a go!
Like your ex - captain sourav ganguly said you can't chase 338 and have 5 wickets in hand (once you have failed)!

 

[volcyz]

He couldn’t find any timing. There was just a lack of class which is usually expected from Indian batsmen.

Doesn’t seem suited to No. 4.
He can only make it into the team if he’s also playing as a keeper.

Also I find it strange that he was played over DK today while DK was selected in the original squad over him. Today’s team selection was contradictory in that sense.

They needed a left hander

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

It's their inability
Rahul
Jadhav
Dhoni

Lack skill to score fast n lack consistency

 

[KI_playa]

The main issue was when the RRR is 10 an over and a batsman is unable to score more than 5 or 6 an over, with wickets in hand, they should hit or get out of the way for the next batsman to try their hand at that ask. Neither MSD nor Kedar were trying to achieve 10 RPO. Only Hardik was trying it. Kedar was happy to tap it for singles until the last over. Same with MSD. It wasn't as much a lost cause that is the issue here, it was that they resigned even without trying after Hardik got out. They had nothing to lose with 5 wickets in hand and two easier games ahead to help them qualify for SF. The botched chase will cost Kedar his ODI career. MSD is anyway going to retire soon after the WC. MSD and Kedar have sunk together.

 

[Captain caveman]

The main issue was when the RRR is 10 an over and a batsman is unable to score more than 5 or 6 an over, with wickets in hand, they should hit or get out of the way for the next batsman to try their hand at that ask. Neither MSD nor Kedar were trying to achieve 10 RPO. Only Hardik was trying it. Kedar was happy to tap it for singles until the last over. Same with MSD. It wasn't as much a lost cause that is the issue here, it was that they resigned even without trying after Hardik got out. They had nothing to lose with 5 wickets in hand and two easier games ahead to help them qualify for SF. The botched chase will cost Kedar his ODI career. MSD is anyway going to retire soon after the WC. MSD and Kedar have sunk together.

Exactly!
Thats all we are saying!
No one is saying india should have won, but they should have tried to win!

 

[Stark]

Yeah. After seeing how the bowlers like Bumrah and shami tried to give their best, pulling the score back from the expected 360ish, the batsman really messed it up. Shikar's absence has hurt the regular plans. Kohli has been doing fine but not great and that too came to hurt us. Must mention that catching looked good as well (heard nasser or artherton mention about this)

Dhoni and Jadhav's show in the last few overs was ridiculous.

But the conspiracy theories are making up for the disappointment to some extent. The polishing of the fluke CT17 trophy and insinuation that India rather face pak than a superior england is taking the cake.

 

[mastermind_quad]

I was really frustrated by Dhoni and Jadhav's batting in the last 30 minutes (5-6) overs.

That 5 overs lost the charm of the chase otherwise its not a bad chase after KL rahul's duck.

 

[skashyaps]

Lol at people who think India put in their best to win the game. Not wanting to hit and not being able to hit are two different things.

+1

 

[jnaveen1980]

I see some reference to 2009 CT lol I don't even remember any such match. How do you guys remember any CT matches. Anyway, what we saw was not new. Dhoni got booed for the exact same thing last year at Lords. Nothing new to be ashamed of. He is far too pwoerful that nobody dares to question his attitude.

 

[CricketIsAwesome]

Exactly!
Thats all we are saying!
No one is saying india should have won, but they should have tried to win!

and you know that how!!!!!
What is shameful is the fact that a bunch of Pakistan fans have been rioting on the board trying to discredit the #2 ranked ODI team win over the #1 team
What is shameful îts the fact that these same Pakistan fans seem to ignore the subpar performance of their team in the initial phase of the WC and now south a couple of wins feel entitled typ be in the knockout stage

 

[Captain caveman]

and you know that how!!!!!
What is shameful is the fact that a bunch of Pakistan fans have been rioting on the board trying to discredit the #2 ranked ODI team win over the #1 team
What is shameful îts the fact that these same Pakistan fans seem to ignore the subpar performance of their team in the initial phase of the WC and now south a couple of wins feel entitled typ be in the knockout stage

I didn't support india today and said they would lose, in the match tread, look it up!
I told everyone else not to bother supporting india in todays match, in the same thread, look it up!
I don't for a second believe we need indias help to qualify for the semis, i believe we WILL qualify for the semis on our own hard work!
But as a global sport, icc must look into anything that can tarnish the sport!

 

[CricketIsAwesome]

But as a global sport, icc must look into anything that can tarnish the sport!

And why would ICC need to investigate this match, only because some delusional Pak fans, living in their own alternate reality feel that this match was for India's to win and by having lost to England, underperformed !!!!!

If that's the case i would be more inclined to refer the umpire in Afg-Pak match who declared Imad not out when he was clearly out low. That was a more egregious decision and probably cost Afg the match

 

[K4Kohli]

disappointed yes but why should they be ashamed

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

And to add to it...his pathetic running between the wickets. Unpardonable. Needs to be sent back to Ranji trophy.

Basically he is a tullaybaaz.

 

[MP2011]

I see some reference to 2009 CT lol I don't even remember any such match. How do you guys remember any CT matches. Anyway, what we saw was not new. Dhoni got booed for the exact same thing last year at Lords. Nothing new to be ashamed of. He is far too pwoerful that nobody dares to question his attitude.

This. Grandpa is beyond any shame. Did anyone see how the ex captain 'cool' calmly lifted his bat on the first ball he faced yesterday! As if he was playing test cricket and didn't even want to touch the ball.

Kohli and Shahstri are idiots of the highest order if they think they can win this WC with such a pathetic & vindictive cancer for this Indian team. If we still win this WC, it'd be despite grandpa, not due to him.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Can you please stop with you player favoritism nonsense for once? Pant has showed a lot of intent from the get go, this is his first WC game and it's understandable that he fumbled, sometimes the intent and attitude is what matters the most and it lifts the whole team up. I am very proud of Pant and Pandya today, just for the fact that they tried their best to to take us through the line. I am sure Vijay also would have been the same, we need to back going players with hunger and passion, and do away with the Jadhavs and the Dhonis (I am a big fan but he is done for sure).

Can you please read the posts first before quoting me? Where did I do player favoritism? Infact I am the one who is criticising your so called world class and overhyped favorite players. Where were you when these same fans were criticising Shankar's first inning in England? Pant played in England last year so kindly keep this excuse aside.

You are proud of Pant thats fine because the way he was playing, throwing his bat, his running and those ugly hack shots look good in a Pyjama League only.

Fact is Pandya and Pant both were overhyped to the moon by their die hard fans and they are not winning matches for their team like other impactful allrounders(Shakib) from other teams do. These fans are taking out their frustration on poor Dhoni who had too much to do in the end.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I was talking about intent and you are taking about something else. Currently, of the lot we have in the squad, Pant the hack as you call him fashionably along with Pandya are better placed than Jadhav/Shankar and Rahul to bail us out when the RR is > 10.

You feel is Dhoni was technically competent batsman? No, he was never the one. Anyone, who has seen Dhoni's struggles in test matches on away tours specially in overcast conditions would vouch for that. He has been a hard hitting batsman who has done wonders with his limited technical ability. So, there is every reason Pant too can develop in future years and correct his technical flaws.

Don't you feel as fans of Indian cricket we were undone by the way Dhoni and Jadhav played? Don't you agree Dhoni is past his prime and he is not even able to have his famous Dhoni Review Systemm in place which cost India dearly. If Dhoni's ears and eyes were as sharp as when he was younger, he would have readily went for the DRS, but today his decision cost India dearly. Roy would have been gone and England would have been in pressure. I'm just raising this point as you time and again talk about Dhoni's brilliance on the field apart from his batting.

Dhoni is done, accept that bro. I get angry only when we fail to field our best possible eleven.

God save Indian cricket now where Pant and Pandya are our new saviours lol.

 

[Revolution]

Without Dhawan it's imbalance in the team.
Rohit is restricted to big hits because of unavailability.

Rahul, Dhoni, kedar are bad choices. It was bad for spin bowling.

 

[Captain caveman]

And why would ICC need to investigate this match, only because some delusional Pak fans, living in their own alternate reality feel that this match was for India's to win and by having lost to England, underperformed !!!!!

If that's the case i would be more inclined to refer the umpire in Afg-Pak match who declared Imad not out when he was clearly out low. That was a more egregious decision and probably cost Afg the match

Due to your ex captains comments live on air e.g.
" i can't explain this'
etc

 

[CricketIsAwesome]

Due to your ex captains comments live on air e.g.
" i can't explain this'
etc

Didn't hear you when the same captain rubbished the Pakistan team.

 

[baggy blue]

If that was the case they should have played some big shots and threw their wickets away and couple of run outs also which is a norm during desperate chases. This is clearly for nrr as we clearly know dhoni and kedar aren't capable

 

[baggy blue]

Over the course of time prithvi Shaw and pant will be our openers. IPL has clearly done some damage as we are not able to find no.4 no.5 odi batsman

 

[RajBan]

So you are happy for a newcomer coming and showing intent but failing .... But, are amazingly calm seeing pathetic display of Dhoni and Jadhav. A 20/20 hack, he may be, but he will DO NO WORSE than Dhoni/Jadhav and Rahul. That kid at least tried his best , hack he may be, doesn't matter, in which cricketing sense is, Dhoni's batting style is close to purity or perfection?

I salute Dhoni for his past achievements but in current scenario he is hurting us badly...

Agree and well said. Pant and Hardik may be a no body and hacks so far but it can't be used to hide the fact that Dhoni is no longer the player he once was. He is required now because of an inept immatured captain , not because of his playing abilities. Worst of all, Kedar is the best number 6 that we can throw now in a country when in past we had Jadeja, Yuvraj and Dhnoi himself playing in that position.

 

[cricket.mad]

Absolutely shambolic performance from India..Dhoni and Kedar should be booted out for ever ,for such a inexplicable batting display

 

[StreetSmart]

28 runs in 10 overs please explain

 

[aqeelPK]

Well when the PM of Pakistan is advising the captain of his cricket team, and that so publically, it is heard to discredit the political connection

Our PM is one of the greatest captain of cricket history & his tweets were motivational.

 

[MP2011]

Absolutely shambolic performance from India..Dhoni and Kedar should be booted out for ever ,for such a inexplicable batting display

For Dhoni bh@kts, this was ok since they scored runs more than what India scored in their first 10 overs.

 

[loves_cricket]

I am actually very happy and proud about this performance
We scored over 300 runs chasing and that also being at 30/1 after 10
That means we scored over 275 in 40 overs
Not bad at all will take it any day of year

 

[Smbhayi]

So you are happy for a newcomer coming and showing intent but failing .... But, are amazingly calm seeing pathetic display of Dhoni and Jadhav. A 20/20 hack, he may be, but he will DO NO WORSE than Dhoni/Jadhav and Rahul. That kid at least tried his best , hack he may be, doesn't matter, in which cricketing sense is, Dhoni's batting style is close to purity or perfection?

I salute Dhoni for his past achievements but in current scenario he is hurting us badly...

Actually Pant failure was bigger.. Also No. 4 spot too high for him coz he is tend to throw his wicket away.. As of now he's only good for 30 odd runs as he lacks batting maturity and game awareness.. Why the heck he played that shot when there's a player especially for that shot? And it's not the first time he play like that.. He had good test record but he played those innings like yesterday one.. Fortunately for him those shots are either landed safely or carry to sixes..

 

[CricketIsAwesome]

See Rohit,'s statement on the pitch before gunning for MSD. Having batted, he probably had the most accurate read on the pitch compared to all the experts who expected the pitch to behave based on their past experience

 

[cricketfanfirst]

Actually Pant failure was bigger.. Also No. 4 spot too high for him coz he is tend to throw his wicket away.. As of now he's only good for 30 odd runs as he lacks batting maturity and game awareness.. Why the heck he played that shot when there's a player especially for that shot? And it's not the first time he play like that.. He had good test record but he played those innings like yesterday one.. Fortunately for him those shots are either landed safely or carry to sixes..

I agree with all that you said, he needs to choose correct shots and play properly because he has the ability and he needs to curb his enthusiasm to strike from ball one.

The point I was raising really was the lack of intent shown by Dhoni and Jadhav, nothing else. As I said I would have been happy losing the match by 50 to 60 runs trying to win rather than being defeated by 3o runs without even trying.

This is ODI cricket, you don't need perfect techniques, you just need to be an effective player. Dhoni, Bevan are some examples of limited technique but with effective application were able to produce great output. So, saying Pant/Pandya as some by hacks, I really don't understand. Pandya is one of the clean hitters who is capable of tonking all kinds of bowlers, he need to improve his game against pace though and Pant needs to choose his shots more wisely.

 

[Smbhayi]

I agree with all that you said, he needs to choose correct shots and play properly because he has the ability and he needs to curb his enthusiasm to strike from ball one.

The point I was raising really was the lack of intent shown by Dhoni and Jadhav, nothing else. As I said I would have been happy losing the match by 50 to 60 runs trying to win rather than being defeated by 3o runs without even trying.

This is ODI cricket, you don't need perfect techniques, you just need to be an effective player. Dhoni, Bevan are some examples of limited technique but with effective application were able to produce great output. So, saying Pant/Pandya as some by hacks, I really don't understand. Pandya is one of the clean hitters who is capable of tonking all kinds of bowlers, he need to improve his game against pace though and Pant needs to choose his shots more wisely.

The problem with Pant is his batting maturity and game awareness.. Even in last IPL where he played very well he lost at least half a dozen matches when run a ball needed.. That's the reason he wasn't selected for WC at first place.. And he's not trying to rectify those mistake..

And about yesterday match, match lost after Dhoni - Pandya partnership, not bcoz of Dhoni - Jadhav partnership..

 

[cricketfanfirst]

The problem with Pant is his batting maturity and game awareness.. Even in last IPL where he played very well he lost at least half a dozen matches when run a ball needed.. That's the reason he wasn't selected for WC at first place.. And he's not trying to rectify those mistake..

And about yesterday match, match lost after Dhoni - Pandya partnership, not bcoz of Dhoni - Jadhav partnership..

Yes, you are right with Pant, he needs to ***** the game and think calmly, he is still very young and I hope he will be able to that in future.

It seems you are not getting my point though, I was not questioning the result, I was just questioning the lack of intent. What is the fun of completing the 50 overs when you are not trying to win. Did you see how casually Jadhav was playing, he was looking to guide to third man or to final leg and look for singles, when the RR was over 13 or so. Yes, we would have lost anyhow, but the lack of intent was the cause of concern here. I don't agree with NRR stuff and all, India is so far ahead in NRR, it would need two miracles on the trot for us to fall behind others running in for the spot.

Anyhow, I just want our team to do well with whatever players we have in the eleven and win the cup. I just want them to give their 100%, we don't need technicians like Boycott who have great technical ability but play selfishly. It is OK to have hacks like Pandya/Pant (as some would like to call them) and give 100% rather than players who play selfishly to hang on to their places in the team.

 

[Jeetlodil]

Why ashamed. India is in control of the tournament to the extent it can afford to control others fate too. A team of possible decides whom it wants to play in semis.

 

[cricketfanfirst]

I have followed Indian cricket and yes, Kohli and Sharma do start slow and ify ou think that is not a problem, then you have blinders on. They start slow, today they started too slow (27 runs in 10 overs??). Kohli at one stage was striking at 50. All of this can be forgiven if setting a score or chasing maybe 300 or 310 against a lesser side...to do so against England, with Plunkett in the side, with Archer as good as he is, with Rashid possibly providin gan extra dimension is utter rubbish and a terrible display from what Bogle labeled as "the two giants of white ball cricket" (when talking of Sharma and Kohli at the crease).

Don't agree with you at all, which is fine. I had already explained what I needed to.

 

[RamLakhan]

I am happy the hype of this so-called beast Pant got exposed today. I was one of the few here who predicted his downfall and he exaclty did the same today. Bats like a proper t20 hack and should be kept away from ODI team till he changes his way of batting.

I don't think he did much wrong yesterday! You guys are too harsh, he played much better than veteran Dhoni who had played 7+2 practice matches so far, at least he should have come ahead of Pant...

 

[loves_cricket]

I didn't support india today and said they would lose, in the match tread, look it up!
I told everyone else not to bother supporting india in todays match, in the same thread, look it up!
I don't for a second believe we need indias help to qualify for the semis, i believe we WILL qualify for the semis on our own hard work!
But as a global sport, icc must look into anything that can tarnish the sport!

So stop crying and keep on posting about India's lose

 

[Captain caveman]

So stop crying and keep on posting about India's lose

I am not crying, i am shaming!
Shaming india, like the shame i heard in the great sourav ganguly's voice!
Shame on you, india!
Losing is a part of sport and theres no shame in losing as long as you have given 100%. Shame is when you don't even try!

 

[Rightarmfast]

Ashamed , not that much. Glad, yes! Because the loss exposes Dhoni and Jadhav and the internal politics which has been going on in the team. At the behest of Dhoni, young cricketers are being sidelined just so his place is intact. And his *******, Jadhav is in the team which further spoils the balance.

Hoping against hope that the 2 are kicked out before further damage.

 

[maqbool]

Ashamed , not that much. Glad, yes! Because the loss exposes Dhoni and Jadhav and the internal politics which has been going on in the team. At the behest of Dhoni, young cricketers are being sidelined just so his place is intact. And his *******, Jadhav is in the team which further spoils the balance.

Hoping against hope that the 2 are kicked out before further damage.

Dhoni is not blocking any youngster. Dhoni is in the team because Kohli is a poor captain

 

[Kaptan]

Most Indian knew that once Kohli and Rohit got out, its impossible for rest to chase 340 runs. We knew our limitations.

Strangely Pak fans had more faith on this Indian batting line-up than even Indians. Lol

 

[barah_admi]

Don't agree with you at all, which is fine. I had already explained what I needed to.

YOu don't have to agree. The fact is, India have not been good at chasing 300+ in recent times and it is reflected by how slow they bat in the first ten and how too many batsmen "take their time".

 

[Obaidd]

Good. This is how the rivalry should be. I too enjoy phaintas that Pakistan gets on a regular basis. What was it - 2 wins in 24 games?

Lol. Yes it should be like this.

You know bilaterals in a WC year don’t really matter much. My golden memory in cricket is when India lost 8 overseas test in a row while the big 4 were still playing.

 

[anoop]

Kohli was smiling today after the loss so it was all planned. This has been a fun World Cup though. I didn’t want England to be knocked out as it just makes everything so interesting and no team is unbeaten anymore.

Kohli was also laughing after champions trophy defeat. What u suggest means we gave that to Pakistan deliberately.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Chasing a 300+ scored is not easy in a world cup regardless of the conditions.

No wonder, both Australia and India, two most clutch teams in world cricket, made a mess of their respective chases.

 

[Napa]

You know what I mean and don’t need to explain.

Share your true thoughts here

Yes, I know what you mean. India scored 39 runs in the last 5 overs against England. I assume you also think India scoring 36 runs from the last 5 overs today against an inferior Bangladeshi attack was also due to lack of effort.

The only thing I am ashamed of is that Indians make threads like this one.

 

[big_gamer007]

Only a defeat against Pakistan in this world cup finals when Rohit and Kohli both fail might help Indian selectors and board to act. Otherwise be ready for this torture for next few years.

 

[Mp812]

28 runs in 10 overs please explain

Good tight bowling and loss of opener for 0.

 

[Bhaijaan]

We deliberately lost to England on 2019 ensuring Pakistan got eliminated from the tournament.

And now we are cheating to play on tailor made pitches to try and win World Cup matches at home.

Really sad stuff