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Australia (371 & 349) beat England (286 & 352) by 82 runs to seal unassailable 3-0 Ashes lead in five-match series

Which side will win the 3rd Ashes Test at Adelaide?

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DeadlyVenom said:
I think Key did a good job in terms of picking up an England side that faltered during Joe Roots captaincy.

He does seem to have got a bit arrogant recently. Could sense a little bit of tension and needle at times when he was interacting with pundits and ex players.

Despite this disaster tour, I do think Bazball has been largely positive for England and for cricket. It has moved the game on to the extent that teams no longer fear batting last as much, 4th innings targets are being set for higher runs, and turned the conventional blockathons on flat tracks into high paced aggressive cricket. They just had to learn to reign it back a bit at times. Which unfortunately was beyond them.

That's fairly impressive to have pushed on the oldest format in such a way over a 3-4 year period.
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England were indeed a mediocre but boring and soulless team pre-Bazball.
They are a mediocre and vaguely entertaining team with Bazball.

They are seventh in the WTC (for what it's worth).
More importantly they have not beaten a top side (i.e. India or Australia) either home or away during this period. This is damning --winning abroad is tough but you should win at home.

That is simply not good enough given the money and investment in the game here in England.
They cannot content themselves in beating second string nations.
 
Buffet said:
Very little to do with that. Aus has been a monster team at home as long as visiting team is not India. From 2017, Aus has played 31 tests at home( not including India) and lost only 1 game and won 26 with W/L 26. Flip it to Eng in home for context.

Eng simply does not have a quality to go toe to toe with Aus in Aus conditions. Aus is just fantastic team in Aus conditions.
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South Africa won 3 consecutive series in Australia i think.

But I still stand by my point. ENGLISH AND AUSTRALIANS see the Ashes series like no other.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
South Africa won 3 consecutive series in Australia i think.

But I still stand by my point. ENGLISH AND AUSTRALIANS see the Ashes series like no other.
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But let's be real, England are diluting these contests with their insipid performances. The brand is being stretched to a great extent, and there's only so much it can stand.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
South Africa won 3 consecutive series in Australia i think.

But I still stand by my point. ENGLISH AND AUSTRALIANS see the Ashes series like no other.
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I was making a different point.

Aus seeing Ashes as important had very little to do with Eng doing so poorly in Aus. Main reason is Aus being so good and at same time Eng being poor in Aus conditions. Yes, SA won earlier when SA had gun team. Same with India in recent years and same with Eng winning in 2011. You got to have team for that and Eng simply does not have it and that's why we see 5 tests long Ashes in Aus being done and dusted within 10-11 days of cricket. There has been no fight and that's due to skill gap in Aus conditions.
 
I am not even asking for Eng to win series in Aus. Show some fight and win a test. At least, draw few tests when series is live.

10-11 days and 5 tests long Ashes series gets done and dusted like a clockwork in each series.
 
Buffet said:
I am not even asking for Eng to win series in Aus. Show some fight and win a test. At least, draw few tests when series is live.

10-11 days and 5 tests long Ashes series gets done and dusted like a clockwork in each series.
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Too much to ask for mate.

And the worst part? You know that after the 2nd test they will collapse completely and the rest of the series is a given. Quite unlike Australia over there who fight till the end.
 
Marshland said:
Too much to ask for mate.

And the worst part? You know that after the 2nd test they will collapse completely and the rest of the series is a given. Quite unlike Australia over there who fight till the end.
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I don't expect Eng to have Aus mentality, but Ashes in Aus repeats like a clockwork. Aus is very strong at home so I get that point, but Eng starts looking to be done with series after 10 days of cricket.
 
Marshland said:
But let's be real, England are diluting these contests with their insipid performances. The brand is being stretched to a great extent, and there's only so much it can stand.
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In Australia I do agree. Some consolation for England in England Against Australia, Wombats have not won a test series in England for best part of 25 years
 
I think England have to stop the Bazball project after this series.

McCullum should be sacked as the coach. He himself was not a good Test batter. He was effectively a slogger. How is he the Test coach? LOL.

England need to return to traditional Test cricket with traditional players. Funky gimmicks like bazball are not the solutions. :inti
 
agree. very one sided games
Buffet said:
I am not even asking for Eng to win series in Aus. Show some fight and win a test. At least, draw few tests when series is live.

10-11 days and 5 tests long Ashes series gets done and dusted like a clockwork in each series.
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sweep_shot said:
I think England have to stop the Bazball project after this series.

McCullum should be sacked as the coach. He himself was not a good Test batter. He was effectively a slogger. How is he the Test coach? LOL.

England need to return to traditional Test cricket with traditional players. Funky gimmicks like bazball are not the solutions. :inti
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traditional test is now only surviving bcz of India and Australia.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
In Australia I do agree. Some consolation for England in England Against Australia, Wombats have not won a test series in England for best part of 25 years
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We have gone toe to toe with England in both 2019 and 2023. One was a narrow defeat, the other was a drawn series.

Much more than what they have done over here, when even drawing a single match is beyond them.
 
Marshland said:
We have gone toe to toe with England in both 2019 and 2023. One was a narrow defeat, the other was a drawn series.

Much more than what they have done over here, when even drawing a single match is beyond them.
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Atleast our last series win in Australia is more recent than when Aussies last won in the UK. Dam! Reminds me of when I was in junior school!
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Atleast our last series win in Australia is more recent than when Aussies last won in the UK. Dam! Reminds me of when I was in junior school!
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Yeah, and all you needed to win in 2005 was breathmints for the ball, dodgy decisions by Billy Bowden, and McGrath stepping on the ball before a crucial test. A round of applause for your cricketing merits!
 
Marshland said:
Yeah, and all you needed to win in 2005 was breathmints for the ball, dodgy decisions by Billy Bowden, and McGrath stepping on the ball before a crucial test. A round of applause for your cricketing merits!
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Hang on a minute. Pot calling the kettle black. Have you forgot "Sandpaper Gate"
 
gibsyhesperis said:
Whilst he hasn’t been helped by continually coming in very early, due to the failure of either Crawly or Duckett, Pope must be the one of the worst No3s I have ever seen play for England.
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For sure. Even Crawley delivers once or twice in a series. Pope is almost completely useless and rarely ever plays an innings of impact.
 
England's problems in Australia have been 2 fold.

Lack of pre games in Australia. Where were the matches against the President XI and all that?

No solid Test #3 since Jonathan Trott.
 
Brook cost the game by dropping 2 catches of the leading scorers Travis and Khawaja
And then playing the usual brainless shot when england were looking steady.
Eng need a coach and management that should punish complacency
 
Australia's captaincy is utterly baffling. They are literally waiting for new ball rather than using Boland with old ball. Cam green is such a rubbish bowler
 
Next ball Smith lobs a catch up in the air and Cummins takes it easily

Smith gone for 60

He didnt need to play that threw it away there one shot too many
 
Another needless shot.
Jamie Smith is their most talented batsman and is good enough to play as a specialist batter.
But he is even more brainless than Brook.
 
Smith is a bit like Pant. Once started can't stop. Sometimes that can land your team in trouble. pant recently gifted his wicket so many times in crucial situations when bowling was at his mercy.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Historically Aussies Prioritize the Ashes like no other series. They are ultra competitive as it is. When you had the 150 years of history Attached to it then they seem to add to the Competitive nature of theirs. Which makes them even tougher to beat!
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Lol, australia is same at home against any team. They wipe the floor with visiting teams
 
Blimey! Mighty disappointing by mighty Eng.
Stokes’ time as captain should be over after this series. Eng always look clueless in Aus but this bunch has looked the most clueless.
 
Well Done Aussies. Congrats on retaining the Ashes. Greatest rivalry in the world ends in 11 days. HOpe they salvage some pride in the remaining two tests.
 
Complete domination. And they haven’t been 100% healthy through the three Tests.
 
England should end the Bazball project.

Also, need a new Test team with a new Test coach maybe. Need a different strategy.
 
Test cricket is all about merely reacting to different situations which is what AUstralia did. Pre-planned approach is likely to fail.
 
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