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At least 11 coal miners shot dead in Balochistan's Mach area after being kidnapped

PPP chairperson Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari and PML-N Vice President Maryam Nawaz arrived on Thursday at the site in Quetta where members of the Shia Hazara community have been protesting the killing of 11 coal miners in Balochistan's Mach area.

Taking to the stage, Bilawal and Maryam, who are currently part of an 11-party anti-government alliance, addressed the protesters along with other political leaders including Sindh Chief Minister Murad Ali Shah and former prime minister Yousuf Raza Gilani.

Bilawal recalled that the Hazara community had protested with as many as 100 coffins after attacks during the PPP government's tenure.

"Then too, you had put forward your demands to us. We had even dismissed the [provincial] government," he told the protesters, regretting that attacks against the community had continued through the terms of subsequent governments.


In January 2013, amidst countrywide protests following three consecutive bombings targeting the Hazaras in Quetta, the then PPP government had dismissed the Balochistan government and imposed governor's rule in the province. The announcement by then-prime minister Raja Pervez Ashraf was welcomed by thousands of Hazara Shias who had been staging a sit-in in the freezing cold in Quetta along with the bodies of dozens of people killed in the attacks.

The Hazaras have been staging a similar sit-in outside Quetta for four days to protest the miners' killing. One of their demands is the ouster of the provincial government, which is trying to resolve the matter through talks.

In his speech, Bilawal said whenever he visited the Balochistan capital, it was not to celebrate or for political reasons, but to condole with Hazaras who were frequently targeted in terrorist incidents.

"Pakistan is a country where even our martyred and the dead have to protest," he said, adding that although basic utilities like gas and electricity had become expensive in the country, "but the people's blood is cheap".

"The blood of our labourers is cheap, and that of political workers, police officers, lawyers, residents and the Hazara community."

The PPP chairperson said nearly 2,000 Hazaras had been killed since 1998, but "not one of them" had gotten justice, while the Hazaras' demand of "let us live" was resounding throughout the country.

"I too belong to a family of martyrs. We too have not been able to get our martyrs justice till date, like you. I promise you, the way we struggle day and night to get justice for our martyrs, we will struggle for our poor people's right to live till the day we do politics.

"What kind of justice is this where you are killed by seeing ID cards while doing labour or going to school? What kind of justice is this where the families of the martyred have to repeatedly protest along with their coffins?" Bilawal asked.

He said a state could not call itself a state until it ensured the security of life for its oppressed segments.

Bilawal said the Hazaras also faced discrimination when it came to government jobs and even educational institutions. "But we are not focusing on those issues [right now], we only demand justice and the right to live," he emphasised.

"On behalf of the PPP, we demand from the state that you had promised to implement the National Action Plan, and promised the children of APS (Army Public School Peshawar) to eliminate terrorism from Pakistan, and if today not only can terrorists launch attacks, but extremists can spread extremism, raise slogans of 'Kafir! Kafir!' and spread hate, then the NAP has failed and terrorists backs' have not been broken."

He said they did not want to hear from the state that foreign elements may have sponsored terrorist incidents in Pakistan. "But it is a failure of our state if a foreign conspiracy succeeds in killing our innocent citizens," he added.

"Until you catch the killer of a common man and assure citizens that you will protect their lives, then not only will those citizens' lives remain under constant threat but the country and the federation will also be at risk."

While condoling with the grieving protesters, Maryam said she was at a loss for words because while the entire nation shared the pain of the Hazaras, no one could truly feel the tragedy that had befallen the miners' families.

In a tweet on Wednesday, Maryam said: "On the direction of Nawaz Sharif I’m going to my sisters and brothers [in Balochistan] with a request to hand over their dead to Allah Almighty. I am sure they will not reject my request. For the last four days the Hazara community has been calling the heartless in Islamabad."

On Sunday, armed attackers slit the throats of 11 miners in a residential compound near a mine site in Balochistan's Mach coalfield area, filming the entire incident and later posting it online. The gruesome attack was claimed by the militant Islamic State group.

Since then, thousands of Hazaras have staged a protest along with coffins containing the miners' bodies in the western bypass area in Quetta, while members of their community have also held protests in Karachi.

Despite extremely harsh weather as the mercury drops to below freezing point, the mourners, including women and children, have refused to leave until Prime Minister Imran Khan meets them and the killers are brought to justice.

Country-wide protests
Meanwhile, people have taken to the streets in several cities across the country as protesters express anger at the killing of the miners and demand protection for the Shia Hazara community.

In Karachi, protests continued for the third straight day with demonstrators blocking roads in the metropolis, causing traffic disruptions and delays in flight operations.

Protests were ongoing since 9am at 20 locations in the city, according to a statement by the Karachi Traffic Police.

In Peshawar, protesters gathered at the Peshawar Press Club, saying their demonstration would not end until Prime Minister Imran went to Quetta.

They demanded that the perpetrators of the incident be arrested "soon" and an inquiry be launched.
 
Where is the PM? Why is he showing such a big ego? Utterly incompetent person!
 
This man is meeting the cast of Ertugral rather than going to Quetta to meet Hazaras. Shameless guy!
 
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What is wrong with Imran Khan? He has messed up this badly
 
This is really poor from Imran Khan. I don’t understand why he can’t go and meet the family of the victims.

And top of that he apparently held a meeting with the a crew from Ertugrul today. All of this is in really bad taste.
 
It’s the government’s fault when he’s in opposition yet when in government it becomes India’s fault?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tragic news from Quetta. Condemn Lashkar e jhangvi for its genocidal campaign against shias particularly Hazaras. Where is the state?</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/289559175569235968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2013</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Terrible tragedy in Quetta. Over 50 dead including a courageous cameraman. Complete failure of govt. Deep sympathies with the bereaved</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/289433493186949122?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 10, 2013</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
It’s the government’s fault when he’s in opposition yet when in government it becomes India’s fault?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tragic news from Quetta. Condemn Lashkar e jhangvi for its genocidal campaign against shias particularly Hazaras. Where is the state?</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/289559175569235968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2013</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Terrible tragedy in Quetta. Over 50 dead including a courageous cameraman. Complete failure of govt. Deep sympathies with the bereaved</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/289433493186949122?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 10, 2013</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yes, the previous government was at fault for the terrorist attacks, he didn’t say that they were responsible for the attack, he blamed them for not preventing it.

He’s not saying it’s India’s fault, he’s saying India is responsible for the attacks.

There’s a difference between being at fault for the attack and being responsible for the attack.
 
"We have accepted all of their demands. [But] one of their demands is that the dead will be buried when the premier visits. I have sent them a message that when all of your demands have been accepted [...] you don't blackmail the prime minister of any country like this."

This is what Imran Khan said today. He is pathetic
 
This is what Imran Khan said today. He is pathetic

I was about to post this. He is an awful human being! Since coming to power, he has been blackmailed and he has always wilted. Be it Atif Mian, Nawaz’s departure to the UK, Khadim Rizvi or various mafias - he has always wilted.

How come now he has suddenly become a macho PM?
 
Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday once again appealed to the Hazara community to bury those killed in the attack in Balochistan's Mach area, calling on them to refrain from "blackmailing the premier".

Speaking at the launching ceremony of the Special Technology Zones Authority in Islamabad, he said that the government had assured the protesters that they will be compensated.

"We have accepted all of their demands. [But] one of their demands is that the dead will be buried when the premier visits. I have sent them a message that when all of your demands have been accepted [...] you don't blackmail the prime minister of any country like this.

"Anyone will blackmail the prime minister then," he said, adding that this included a "band of crooks" in apparent reference to the Pakistan Democratic Movement. "This blackmail has also been ongoing for two-and-a-half years."

The prime minister said that the protesters were informed that he will visit once they bury those slain in the attack. "I am using this platform to say that if you bury them today, I will go to Quetta to meet the families of the deceased.

"This should be clear. All of your demands have been met but you can't impose a condition which has [no logic]. So first, bury the dead. If you do it today then I guarantee you that I will come to Quetta today."

PM Imran's remarks come as Balochistan's Shia Hazara community continue its protest for the sixth straight day on Friday, refusing to bury those who were brutally killed over the weekend.

On Sunday, armed attackers had slit the throats of 11 miners in a residential compound near a mine site in Balochistan's Mach coalfield area, filming the entire incident and later posting it online. The gruesome attack was claimed by the militant Islamic State group.

Since then, thousands of Hazaras have staged a protest along with coffins containing the miners' bodies in the western bypass area in Quetta, while members of the community have also held protests in other cities across the country.

In pictures: Protesters take to the streets in several cities against Mach massacre

Braving the biting cold, the mourners, including women and children, have refused to leave until the premier visits and the killers are brought to justice.

At the start of his address, the premier stated that the Hazara community has faced "the most cruelty". He said that the killing of the 11 coal miners in Mach was part of a conspiracy that he has been highlighting "since March".

"I had informed my cabinet and then gave public statements on this: India is trying its level best to spread chaos in Pakistan," he said, adding that this was focused on fanning the flames of sectarianism.

"I laud our intelligence agencies on the fact that they thwarted four major terrorist events. Despite this, a high profile Sunni aalim was killed in Karachi [...] with great difficulty we managed to quell the flames of a sectarian divide."

He added that as soon as the Mach incident took place, he first sent Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid and then two federal ministers — Ali Haider Zaidi and Zulfi Bukhari — to speak with the mourners and assure them that the government stood with them.

"We know, me especially, the kind of cruelty they have faced."

Talking about the launch of the authority, PM Imran said that Pakistan had failed to give incentives to the IT sector. "Even during the pandemic, the companies that gained were from the IT sector. So we have been left behind."

He said that purpose of the technology zones was to provide incentives to the industry so that it can provide job opportunities to the youth and up the country's exports. "The IT sector can play a huge role in this."

"I hope that this step will become an opportunity for the IT sector to boost our exports. We are also hoping for foreign investment in this regard," he said.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1600383/dont-blackmail-me-pm-tells-hazara-protesters
 
I was about to post this. He is an awful human being! Since coming to power, he has been blackmailed and he has always wilted. Be it Atif Mian, Nawaz’s departure to the UK, Khadim Rizvi or various mafias - he has always wilted.

How come now he has suddenly become a macho PM?
He has not wilted to opposition who were apparently going to receive his resignation back in December. Nor he has given them NRO. NS departure was on compassionate ground due to drama created by his camp, or it could have been for political gain for Imran K. You cannot hold country's prime minsitor at ransom, he has not refused to meet the affected families so do not know where heartless comment comes from. But why should they not bury their beloved ones till PM visits. He will come the same day or next day they bury.
 
Yes. But after that, he has not attended any funerals.
He must have his reasons he has done a lot for suffering people even before becoming PM, and he continues to do so as PM with his Ehsaas and Health card policies, as well social security plans. So credit where credit is due, but he will not let hidden agendas behind this protest to affect his premiership.
 
He has not wilted to opposition who were apparently going to receive his resignation back in December. Nor he has given them NRO. NS departure was on compassionate ground due to drama created by his camp, or it could have been for political gain for Imran K. You cannot hold country's prime minsitor at ransom, he has not refused to meet the affected families so do not know where heartless comment comes from. But why should they not bury their beloved ones till PM visits. He will come the same day or next day they bury.



He has he still not visited them in 6 days? IK have the biggest NRO in Pakistan’s history and you say he has not wilted. What a joke!

Also, he was blackmailed by wheat, oil and sugar mafia and he bent over backwards for them. What is he being a macho now?

This guy met the cast of Ertugral last night.

And, ‘you cannot hold a PM at ransom’ is pure garbage. If that was the case, he would not have taken dozens of U-turns after public pressure. Heck, he was blackmailed by Saudis and he chickened out of KL forum. I can go on and on!
 
He must have his reasons he has done a lot for suffering people even before becoming PM, and he continues to do so as PM with his Ehsaas and Health card policies, as well social security plans. So credit where credit is due, but he will not let hidden agendas behind this protest to affect his premiership.

What is the agenda?
 
Imran Khan has completely lost his marbles. To call the Hazara victims "blackmailers" is a new low.

Incredible amount of callousness and lack of empathy
 
This government gets blackmailed every few months when TLP marches on the capital, blocks every road and forces them to accept its ridiculous extremist demands, yet you will never see him label them as blackmailers.

But when Hazara victims demand justice (nevermind the unspeakable pain they are going through), they are labelled as blackmailers. Shocking.
 
This government gets blackmailed every few months when TLP marches on the capital, blocks every road and forces them to accept its ridiculous extremist demands, yet you will never see him label them as blackmailers.

But when Hazara victims demand justice (nevermind the unspeakable pain they are going through), they are labelled as blackmailers. Shocking.

Exactly. The TLP marched to Islamabad just 45 days back and the govt accepted all their demands. This person lacks empathy.
 
Import Islam from middle east?

Where do you think the chants of "Shia Kafir" originated from?
Zia's "Islamist" regime imported such ideologies from Saudi Arabia and voila sectarian violence took birth in Pakistan. Before his regime, no one in Pakistan cared about which sect you belonged to.

Ask your parents/grandparents whether they heard of sectarian violence before mid 70s?
 
It's inexcusable. He's putting his own ego before a persecuted community's dead bodies - it's not about security because he said he'd visit if they buried their dead first. The absolute lack of shame or sympathy is staggering - that was his main selling point, being a fundamentally upright person, and he blew it just like that.
 
Where do you think the chants of "Shia Kafir" originated from?
Zia's "Islamist" regime imported such ideologies from Saudi Arabia and voila sectarian violence took birth in Pakistan. Before his regime, no one in Pakistan cared about which sect you belonged to.

Ask your parents/grandparents whether they heard of sectarian violence before mid 70s?

Right the Therhi Massacre never happened, right?
 
Right the Therhi Massacre never happened, right?

If we go by that perspective, then we've been persecuted for centuries. 14 to be exact (iykyk).

Compare the reaction of the common public then and now. At the moment, forget unity, there is either deafening silence or a war of words.

The younger generation might be a bit more humane when it comes to such incidents but the common man isn't gonna lose his sleep over this. There's no outcry or outpouring of support and everyone knows why that's the case.
 
Leader of banned anti-Shia outfit tweets in favor of Imran Khan, says nobody should blackmail the state and that Hazara mourners are foreign proxies. Mashallah!
 
It's inexcusable. He's putting his own ego before a persecuted community's dead bodies - it's not about security because he said he'd visit if they buried their dead first. The absolute lack of shame or sympathy is staggering - that was his main selling point, being a fundamentally upright person, and he blew it just like that.

Then everyone will ask him to visit first, and if he doesn't go they will blame him for picking and choosing where he goes. As the head of state, he should ensure everyone gets justice. He is well within his rights not to promote vulture politics where politicians visit victims for optics and mileage.
 
One of the darkest days of IK's rule - how can he make these comments? So disrespectful and insensitive.

Let's see if the usual cheerleaders like [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] and [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] will put the pom poms away and come and condemn IK's comments and show solidarity with the persecuted Hazara community.
 
Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday once again appealed to the Hazara community to bury those killed in the attack in Balochistan’s Mach area, calling on them to refrain from “blackmailing the premier”.

Speaking at the launching ceremony of the Special Technology Zones Authority in Islamabad, he said that the government had assured the protesters that they will be compensated.

“We have accepted all of their demands. [But] one of their demands is that the dead will be buried when the premier visits. I have sent them a message that when all of your demands have been accepted […] you don’t blackmail the prime minister of any country like this.

“Anyone will blackmail the prime minister then,” he said, adding that this included a “band of crooks” in apparent reference to the Pakistan Democratic Movement. “This blackmail has also been ongoing for two-and-a-half years.”

The prime minister said that the protesters were informed that he will visit once they bury those slain in the attack. “I am using this platform to say that if you bury them today, I will go to Quetta to meet the families of the deceased.

“This should be clear. All of your demands have been met but you can’t impose a condition which has [no logic]. So first, bury the dead. If you do it today then I guarantee you that I will come to Quetta today.”

PM Imran’s remarks come as Balochistan’s Shia Hazara community continue its protest for the sixth straight day on Friday, refusing to bury those who were brutally killed over the weekend.

On Sunday, armed attackers had slit the throats of 11 miners in a residential compound near a mine site in Balochistan’s Mach coalfield area, filming the entire incident and later posting it online. The gruesome attack was claimed by the militant Islamic State group.

Since then, thousands of Hazaras have staged a protest along with coffins containing the miners’ bodies in the western bypass area in Quetta, while members of the community have also held protests in other cities across the country.

In pictures: Protesters take to the streets in several cities against Mach massacre

Braving the biting cold, the mourners, including women and children, have refused to leave until the premier visits and the killers are brought to justice.

At the start of his address, the premier stated that the Hazara community has faced “the most cruelty”. He said that the killing of the 11 coal miners in Mach was part of a conspiracy that he has been highlighting “since March”.

“I had informed my cabinet and then gave public statements on this: India is trying its level best to spread chaos in Pakistan,” he said, adding that this was focused on fanning the flames of sectarianism.

“I laud our intelligence agencies on the fact that they thwarted four major terrorist events. Despite this, a high profile Sunni aalim was killed in Karachi […] with great difficulty we managed to quell the flames of a sectarian divide.”

He added that as soon as the Mach incident took place, he first sent Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid and then two federal ministers — Ali Haider Zaidi and Zulfi Bukhari — to speak with the mourners and assure them that the government stood with them.

“We know, me especially, the kind of cruelty they have faced.”

Talking about the launch of the authority, PM Imran said that Pakistan had failed to give incentives to the IT sector. “Even during the pandemic, the companies that gained were from the IT sector. So we have been left behind.”

He said that purpose of the technology zones was to provide incentives to the industry so that it can provide job opportunities to the youth and up the country’s exports. “The IT sector can play a huge role in this.”

“I hope that this step will become an opportunity for the IT sector to boost our exports. We are also hoping for foreign investment in this regard,” he said.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1600383/dont-blackmail-me-pm-tells-hazara-protesters

Pathetic comments. IK and the govt. have made this into a big issue by their ridiculous handling of this episode.

It doesn’t matter what the opposition is or isn’t doing. Even if he goes now, it’s too late.
 
One of the darkest days of IK's rule - how can he make these comments? So disrespectful and insensitive.

Let's see if the usual cheerleaders like [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] and [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] will put the pom poms away and come and condemn IK's comments and show solidarity with the persecuted Hazara community.

Seen in isolation, and the buzzfeed generation judges by the headlines, it looks insensitive. but if this is the darkest of his rule, then he is doing well. He has his flaws, but lack of compassion cannot be the flaw of someone who has a long history of philanthropy.
 
While minorities are being slaughtered in Pakistan,it is sheer hypocrisy of our people to be concerned about rising trend of Islamophobia.The world will only laugh at when we talk about Islamophobia,where as minorities are being treated this in our country.Similarly,we should be least ineterested how India treats Muslims;we should focus more on how to protect the lives of minorities here.

This is precisely why minorities are being targeted by enemies of Pakistan, it has much more impact than if the majority schools were mysteriously bombed. If it was my nation that was split in two then I would definitely sponsor rogue groups to try to inflict the same on the hated foes across the border.
 
PML-N Vice President Maryam Nawaz on Friday once again hit out at Prime Minister Imran Khan for not having visited the Shia Hazaras protesting the killing of coal miners in the Mach area so far, and for suggesting they were "blackmailing" the premier.

Speaking at a press conference in Karachi, she said Prime Minister Imran had admitted today that he was not going to Quetta "not because of a security threat but ego [and] his stubbornness".

"The nation wants to know what was the problem which prevented you from going and putting your hand on their heads. If this was due to obedience (tabedari), then the nation wants to know is obedience more important than the people's lives?" she said.

"If this is superstition then tell the nation so [it] knows the lives of 220 million people are not in the hands of any person or government but decided through superstition.


"If this is insensitivity and ruthlessness then tell the nation so we know not to look towards you in crisis and [know that] you won't come and call innocents blackmailers," the PML-N leader added.

On Sunday, armed attackers slit the throats of 11 miners in a residential compound near a mine site in Balochistan's Mach coalfield area, filming the entire incident and later posting it online. The gruesome attack was claimed by the militant Islamic State group.

Since then, thousands of Hazaras have staged a protest along with coffins containing the miners' bodies in the western bypass area in Quetta, while members of the community have also held protests in other cities across the country.

Braving the biting cold, the mourners, including women and children, have refused to leave or lay the miners' bodies to rest until Prime Minister Imran visits them and the killers are brought to justice.

Earlier today, the prime minister was widely criticised on social media when, amidst countrywide protests and rising political pressure, he suggested that the protesters were "blackmailing" him by refusing to bury their loved ones until he visits them.

Maryam in her presser described the painful scenes she witnessed on Thursday when she visited the Hazara protest camp outside Quetta, describing it as "a scene like Karbala".

She said she did not intend to do a press conference and was in Karachi only for a transit flight, but "when I heard in the morning 'I won't be blackmailed and no one can blackmail me, you bury your dead then I'll come to you,' then I couldn't stay without talking to the nation."

Terming his remarks "devoid of humanity", Maryam said it was a "great failure" on the part of the government that the Hazaras who were a vulnerable population and had been repeatedly targeted in the past again became victim to a terrorism incident.

She said the relatives of the slain miners were sitting in sub-zero temperatures along with their coffins for the past six days, waiting for the "callous" leader. "They are not demanding inheritance from you or asking to resurrect the dead or demanding a long list. [...] They only wanted you to come and give a hand of support so they could bury their dead; they only wanted two words of sympathy," she added.

"When I asked them what are your demands, they said we have no demands, we only want the [prime minister] to come here and cover our wounds and reassure us that such events won't happen again."

Maryam said leaders develop "humility and fear of God" when they are given leadership roles, "but this statement I heard today shook my heart, this ruthlessness, negligence in your duties and so much pride. We can only pray for you".

Referring to the premier's condition that he will visit Quetta only if the protesters lay the miners to rest, she said it would have been too late by then. "When you couldn't share in their moment of pain, then after that no matter how many times you go, it will have no worth and no one will accept it," she stressed.

The PML-N leader said the government had refused to divulge to media why the prime minister could not visit Quetta, adding that if those reasons concerned security or threats to his life, then the opposition leaders too faced similar "threats".

"We also faced danger, we were also not allowed but we went there and did whatever we could do," Maryam said, questioning whether the premier's life was "more valuable than those of 220m people" and the slain miners.

She alleged that Imran had "time to watch dramas and play with dogs and soak the sun in huge lawns but you don't have time to partake in the pain and grief of the Hazara community".

She again appealed to the Hazaras to bury their loved ones, telling them "the person you have kept hopes from has no heart in his chest."

"He is not in a position to give NRO (National Reconciliation Ordinance-like concession)," Maryam said, referring to Prime Minister Imran. "The one who didn't get the permission to go to Quetta, what worth does he have to give NRO?"

PML-N to 'fully support' protests
Meanwhile, PML-N supremo and former prime minister Nawaz Sharif announced "complete support" for protests being held in support of the Hazara community, a PML-N spokesperson said.

He directed the PML-N local leadership and workers across the country to participate in the protests with enthusiasm.

"It has also been decided to take the matter of Hazara martyrs to the PDM (Pakistan Democratic Movement)," the spokesperson said.

In this regard, Nawaz has directed former premier Shahid Khaqan Abbasi to contact Maulana Fazlur Rehman and other PDM leaders immediately, they added.
 
As I have predicted before, IK believes in black magic and he is highly superstitious.

‘Somebody told Imran not to go near dead bodies or attend funerals,’ Abdul Qadir Balouch.

I have seen a pattern; Imran never attends any funerals. He even skipped the funeral of his best friend and co-founder Naeem Ul Haq if I remember correctly.
 
Interesting that Maryam Nawaz is now piping up about Imran Khan not attending the funerals of the terror victims in a state where RAW operatives have been alleged to be operating. Along with a concerted effort with PP anti-Pakistan activists dredging up old videos, seems like a concerted campaign is underway by enemies of the state on behalf of nefarious foreign forces and this is being used opportunistically by shameless political opposition to score points with the blood of innocent victims.
 
As I have predicted before, IK believes in black magic and he is highly superstitious.

‘Somebody told Imran not to go near dead bodies or attend funerals,’ Abdul Qadir Balouch.

I have seen a pattern; Imran never attends any funerals. He even skipped the funeral of his best friend and co-founder Naeem Ul Haq if I remember correctly.

I see the Srivastava group give you new lines every day. Remember we also see this crap from Nooras and their uncle Modi on social media.
 
One of the darkest days of IK's rule - how can he make these comments? So disrespectful and insensitive.

Let's see if the usual cheerleaders like [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] and [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] will put the pom poms away and come and condemn IK's comments and show solidarity with the persecuted Hazara community.

Let's face it any comments he makes are dark and insensitive to you paid guys. IK didn't kill these people nor has he created the atmosphere. These are paid assasins whose patrons are across the border on both side. His job is to find those that did, if he doesn't then he will pay the price.
 
This government has absolutely no spine. TLP has literally made them bow down to their demands multiple times, so where exactly is this ego coming from?
 
Interesting that Maryam Nawaz is now piping up about Imran Khan not attending the funerals of the terror victims in a state where RAW operatives have been alleged to be operating. Along with a concerted effort with PP anti-Pakistan activists dredging up old videos, seems like a concerted campaign is underway by enemies of the state on behalf of nefarious foreign forces and this is being used opportunistically by shameless political opposition to score points with the blood of innocent victims.

The mafia are just desperate. This happened during NS reign and he didn't attend one, and suddenly Maryam with her surkee on and million rp dresses turns up. Evil evil people
 
Let's face it any comments he makes are dark and insensitive to you paid guys. IK didn't kill these people nor has he created the atmosphere. These are paid assasins whose patrons are across the border on both side. His job is to find those that did, if he doesn't then he will pay the price.

Have some shame and condemn his callous comments instead of acting like a blind supporter.

The comments he made are beyond insensitive and the fact that he hasn't even (a) realized his mistake (b) apologized for the comments or (c) visited the victims shows how shameless he is.

This is a new low for him that even eclipses the time he called OBL a martyr.
 
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Let's face it any comments he makes are dark and insensitive to you paid guys. IK didn't kill these people nor has he created the atmosphere. These are paid assasins whose patrons are across the border on both side. His job is to find those that did, if he doesn't then he will pay the price.

Imagine what the victims are going through that has compelled them to resort to such an extreme measure. Do you think they are happy about not burying their dead? All they asked for was the PM to come. For which they were labelled as blackmailers.
 
As I have predicted before, IK believes in black magic and he is highly superstitious.

‘Somebody told Imran not to go near dead bodies or attend funerals,’ Abdul Qadir Balouch.

I have seen a pattern; Imran never attends any funerals. He even skipped the funeral of his best friend and co-founder Naeem Ul Haq if I remember correctly.

BTW why have you avoided answering my question on your boy Yadav in Balochistan, what was he doing there?
 
Imagine what the victims are going through that has compelled them to resort to such an extreme measure. Do you think they are happy about not burying their dead? All they asked for was the PM to come. For which they were labelled as blackmailers.

And you think IK should go every time the victims families demand that he comes. What will IK do that makes a difference in this exact moment. If he doesn't go at all then you will have more than a point.
 
Seen in isolation, and the buzzfeed generation judges by the headlines, it looks insensitive. but if this is the darkest of his rule, then he is doing well. He has his flaws, but lack of compassion cannot be the flaw of someone who has a long history of philanthropy.

There is no way to spin something this insensitive, apathetic and callous. And contrary to what you are assuming the video of his comments are all over social media. Everyone has heard them. And saying that he has done philanthropy in the past does not excuse the heinous comments he made today, or the fact that he called OBL a martyr, or that he allowed religious fanatics to take over the capital multiple times and then bowed down to their demands.
 
Have some shame and condemn his callous comments instead of acting like a blind supporter.

The comments he made are beyond insensitive and the fact that he hasn't even (a) realized his mistake (b) apologized for the comments or (c) visited the victims shows how shameless he is.

This is a new low for him that even eclipses the time he called OBL a martyr.

His job is to find the killers. If you think his comments are insensitive then that is your right. You want PR, I want justice for the victims and their families.
 
And you think IK should go every time the victims families demand that he comes. What will IK do that makes a difference in this exact moment. If he doesn't go at all then you will have more than a point.

This is not the first time this has happened. The Hazara people are literally targeted for their faith and ethnicity. It is the job of the state to protect them. They are tired of hearing empty promises.

What will he do? He's the freaking PM bro. He has a responsibility to provide answers and relief. Did the Army Chief not go to Quetta 2 years ago to meet the Hazara people? What do you think he did?
 
His job is to find the killers. If you think his comments are insensitive then that is your right. You want PR, I want justice for the victims and their families.

You've completely lost your marbles if you think they can find the killers. That is not the point of this at all. All they want are answers and assurances that they will protected. And let me remind you that it is the job of the state to protect them.
 
You've completely lost your marbles if you think they can find the killers. That is not the point of this at all. All they want are answers and assurances that they will protected. And let me remind you that it is the job of the state to protect them.

IA they will,they found Yadav, they will find these losers. They will also find whose behind them. I agree that its the job of the state to protect them but you will also realise that the 2 guys pretending to be PK won't dare comment on Yadav. One of them tells us PTM is fighting minority rights but when I challenged him to explain their relationship with AZ and their use of Naqeebs murder to get attention.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Strict security measures being taken up in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Quetta?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Quetta</a>. Imran Khan’s plane on standby at Noor Khan Airbase. PM expected to depart for Quetta soon.</p>— Mansoor Ali Khan (@_Mansoor_Ali) <a href="https://twitter.com/_Mansoor_Ali/status/1347602943890100225?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
So the terrorists magically disappeared?

They wanted to kill Hazaras but when there’s 100’s of them mourning together they’re not attacking them?

Something just doesn’t add up.
 
IA they will,they found Yadav, they will find these losers. They will also find whose behind them. I agree that its the job of the state to protect them but you will also realise that the 2 guys pretending to be PK won't dare comment on Yadav. One of them tells us PTM is fighting minority rights but when I challenged him to explain their relationship with AZ and their use of Naqeebs murder to get attention.

Bro this is not the movie Minority Report. And there are no CCTV cameras in mines in Balochistan.

That is not what this is about. And stop bringing in irrelevant things that have nothing to do with this.
 
Bro this is not the movie Minority Report. And there are no CCTV cameras in mines in Balochistan.

That is not what this is about. And stop bringing in irrelevant things that have nothing to do with this.

Why is the capture of Yadav irrelevant to this harrowing crime?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Strict security measures being taken up in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Quetta?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Quetta</a>. Imran Khan’s plane on standby at Noor Khan Airbase. PM expected to depart for Quetta soon.</p>— Mansoor Ali Khan (@_Mansoor_Ali) <a href="https://twitter.com/_Mansoor_Ali/status/1347602943890100225?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I think he is taking an unnecessary risk. He puts himself and his security at risk. Our enemies are desperate, the PDM are out on their arrse and they have to get Kaptaan.
 
So the terrorists magically disappeared?

They wanted to kill Hazaras but when there’s 100’s of them mourning together they’re not attacking them?

Something just doesn’t add up.

Attacks on minorities have always been inflicted by small scale operations which can be organised from abroad. It used to be drive by shootings by masked men on motorbikes, these days it's mysterious bombings followed by paid "Pakistani" shills social media campaigns on behalf of the sponsors. Very slick but rather disgusting tactics, but from that sort of lowlife mentality what else can you expect?

PTI's job is to deal with the fallout as best it can without getting dragged into the game being played by the enemy both without and within. The innocent Hazaras must always be protected as proud citizens of the state, those ingrates of all denominations who are seeking to profit from this at the expense of the state must be uncovered and dealt with an iron fist.
 
I see the Srivastava group give you new lines every day. Remember we also see this crap from Nooras and their uncle Modi on social media.

I'm still waiting on his proof on genocide in the other thread too. It's blatantly obvious who some of these lot are.
 
PM is wrong but doing the right thing because demands are perhaps more wrong.

Having said that, Hazara Community has suffered alot and now they have no options left other than extreme demands. Decades of fake promises have lead them to this but unfortunately this is a step backward.

Mutual assistance with targeted co-operation is the only solution. Neither party can blame/expect other party to solve it without assistance from each side.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Prime Minister Imran Khan's Special Assistant Shahbaz Gill tells <a href="https://twitter.com/SAMAATV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SAMAATV</a> that he (PM Khan) will leave for Quetta shortly after the burial of Hazara coal miners.</p>— Roohan Ahmed (@Roohan2Ahmed) <a href="https://twitter.com/Roohan2Ahmed/status/1347623376945344514?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
PM is wrong but doing the right thing because demands are perhaps more wrong.

Having said that, Hazara Community has suffered alot and now they have no options left other than extreme demands. Decades of fake promises have lead them to this but unfortunately this is a step backward.

Mutual assistance with targeted co-operation is the only solution. Neither party can blame/expect other party to solve it without assistance from each side.

They have been targeted by every thug and crook receiving local and Foreign support. Their demands for protection are legitimate and The agencies have to protect them. Its time the state enforced its writ in Balochistan.
 
I'm still waiting on his proof on genocide in the other thread too. It's blatantly obvious who some of these lot are.

Nobody wants these poor communities to be protected than us PKs. But we have to remember that in the age of 5th generation warfare, there are alot of paid trolls. Just look at the comments on the Dawn website.
 
Intelligence agencies are not usually one man bands.

Nobody is denying that terrorist groups funded by India are responsible for killing innocents in BLN, or that RAW operatives are active in regards to funding these groups. They may well be responsible for this aswell. But it is not that simple either. Anti-Shia groups that have at various points in time received patronage or a blind eye from the state are often behind such attacks aswell. And none of this changes the fact that Hazaras have been targeted regularly and disproportionately and have received little to no protection from the state.

What OP is doing is akin to what politicians do to distract from an issue at hand.
 
Is that the level of our debate.

I'll reiterate my point again just for you.

Nobody is denying that terrorist groups funded by India are responsible for killing innocents in BLN, or that RAW operatives are active in regards to funding these groups. They may well be responsible for this aswell. But it is not that simple either. Anti-Shia groups that have at various points in time received patronage or a blind eye from the state are often behind such attacks aswell. And none of this changes the fact that Hazaras have been targeted regularly and disproportionately and have received little to no protection from the state.

What YOU are doing is akin to what politicians do to distract from an issue at hand.
 
Is that the level of our debate.

And what does Yadav have to do with anything? He has been caught and locked up. Be clear and say RAW instead of bringing every issue on the face of Pakistan and needlessly connecting it to this incident.
 
And what does Yadav have to do with anything? He has been caught and locked up. Be clear and say RAW instead of bringing every issue on the face of Pakistan and needlessly connecting it to this incident.

And you think Yadav was there alone and there was no network. Maybe you believe he was a tourist in Iran. Thanks mate
 
I'll reiterate my point again just for you.

Nobody is denying that terrorist groups funded by India are responsible for killing innocents in BLN, or that RAW operatives are active in regards to funding these groups. They may well be responsible for this aswell. But it is not that simple either. Anti-Shia groups that have at various points in time received patronage or a blind eye from the state are often behind such attacks aswell. And none of this changes the fact that Hazaras have been targeted regularly and disproportionately and have received little to no protection from the state.

What YOU are doing is akin to what politicians do to distract from an issue at hand.

I am sure there are people on here that want to convince some gullible souls that Ind has nothing to do with this. I have no doubts Sunni groups are in cahoots with Ind and they all to be eliminated. There was a group that ran a terror campaign against Shias in Southern Punjab until Gen Raheel dealt with its head and suddenly the violence in against Shias has reduced. Our security forces have to step up their game to protect these minorities in Balochistan.
 
Poor Hazara's...
Disgusting murderers, need to be caught, tried and hung in public.

I can see India's hand in this along with their desperate allies in the PMLN/PPP
 
I am sure there are people on here that want to convince some gullible souls that Ind has nothing to do with this. I have no doubts Sunni groups are in cahoots with Ind and they all to be eliminated. There was a group that ran a terror campaign against Shias in Southern Punjab until Gen Raheel dealt with its head and suddenly the violence in against Shias has reduced. Our security forces have to step up their game to protect these minorities in Balochistan.

LOL I suggest you try reading a little more carefully what I said before you start assuming people as being gullible:

Nobody is denying that terrorist groups funded by India are responsible for killing innocents in BLN, or that RAW operatives are active in regards to funding these groups.

And please don't act so naiive. These groups received patronage from the state in the past, they received funding from Saudi Arabia, the state knew and turned a blind eye to them until it was absolutely necessary to take action. Everyone appreciates that they did take action but they were responsible for them flourishing in the first place. And if you think these groups have been exterminated then you completely are sorely mistaken.

The idea that India backs any anti-State group is pretty much a given. It is understood and one doesn't even have to think about it because even if India isn't backing an anti-Pakistan group it will decide to back it sooner or later.

So when everyone including the state knows this and knows that foreign enemies (India or whoever it may be) will try to target certain citizens and STILL does not provide protection to said citizens then that counts as a failure of the state for which it should answer.
 
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And you think Yadav was a lone ranger. 2 of us tried to explain but alas it was a waste of time.

If you are not even going to bother to understand what I said then there's no point engaging any further. I said address the ones responsible properly. They are called RAW and they are an intelligence agency. Yadav is just another one of their faceless pawns who was stupid enough to get caught. He no longer matters.

But yeah go ahead and keep deflecting from the actual topic: the heinous comments of the PM. And keep defending them. I can only wonder the mental gymnastics you must have done to defend him when he said Osama Bin Laden is a martyr.
 
If you are not even going to bother to understand what I said then there's no point engaging any further. I said address the ones responsible properly. They are called RAW and they are an intelligence agency. Yadav is just another one of their faceless pawns who was stupid enough to get caught. He no longer matters.

But yeah go ahead and keep deflecting from the actual topic: the heinous comments of the PM. And keep defending them. I can only wonder the mental gymnastics you must have done to defend him when he said Osama Bin Laden is a martyr.

You asked why Yadav was brought up and then 2 of explained why. If you don't understand that then its not our fault.
IKs should have been more careful with his words but the gist of his point was right and apparently they have buried the dead and he will meet them. If he doesn't meet them then criticise.
 
You asked why Yadav was brought up and then 2 of explained why. If you don't understand that then its not our fault.
IKs should have been more careful with his words but the gist of his point was right and apparently they have buried the dead and he will meet them. If he doesn't meet them then criticise.

Yes because Yadav is pointless to the debate because RAW is still active while Yadav has been caught. I don't know why this is so difficult for you to grasp.

That still doesn't change what he said. He should have some shame and apologize for his heinous statement which were incredibly insensitive the sentiments of the bereaved. An apology is the only way he can salvage this.
 
IK should be the last person talking about blackmail.

He is the biggest blackmailer in Pakistan politics. He held the whole country hostage for 126 days and demanded that the PM steps down. He told his supporters to not pay power bills until the PM steps down. He threatened to unleash his supporters on the PM house if the PM does not step down. He threatened the ECP with attacks if they did not investigate vote rigging. The threatened the bring the country to a standstill if the PM does not step down.

Undisputed champion of hypocrisy!
 
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IK should be the last person talking about blackmail.

He is the biggest blackmailer in Pakistan politics. He held the whole country hostage for 126 days and demanded that the PM steps down. He told his supporters to not pay power bills until the PM steps down. He threatened to unleash his supporters on the PM house if the PM does not step down. He threatened the ECP with attacks if they did not investigate vote rigging. The threatened the bring the country to a standstill if the PM does not step down.

Undisputed champion of hypocrisy!

That's not how hypocrisy works.

The Bhutto and Sharif era's were riddle with corruption, incompetence, nepotism, stagnation and lack of transparency.

Imran's intentions were clear and then protests had a solid foundation.

What PDM are doing now is ironic in that they wish to replicate PTI's strategy of undermining the government. They always follow short as they have no foundation on which to call out PTI on.
 
That's not how hypocrisy works.

The Bhutto and Sharif era's were riddle with corruption, incompetence, nepotism, stagnation and lack of transparency.

Imran's intentions were clear and then protests had a solid foundation.

What PDM are doing now is ironic in that they wish to replicate PTI's strategy of undermining the government. They always follow short as they have no foundation on which to call out PTI on.

This thread is not about the PDM.

Also, Hazara’s protests are unjustified?
 
Hundreds of Shia Pakistanis gathered on Saturday to bury 11 coal miners from the Hazara community killed by the armed group ISIL (ISIS), ending a week of protests that sought to highlight the minority’s plight.

Protesters staged a sit-in after ISIL fighters captured and shot the miners last Sunday in Machh, an area 17km (30 miles) east of Quetta, capital of Pakistan’s troubled Balochistan province.

Shia across the country joined in the demonstrations – including blocking roads in major cities – demanding that Prime Minister Imran Khan visit the grieving community in Quetta and assure their protection.

Ethnic Hazaras make up most of the Shia population in Quetta. Balochistan is the country’s largest and poorest region, rife with ethnic, sectarian and separatist insurgencies.

Their Central Asian features make them easy targets for Sunni attackers who consider them heretics.

Deal reached
Authorities on Friday promised the arrest of the attackers, payment of compensation to the bereaved families and better security for the Hazara.

More than 4,000 people attended the last rites of the dead miners whose bodies were laid to rest amid tight security six days after their deaths.

“The provincial government will form a joint investigation team to recommend action against those found guilty of negligence leading to the incident,” said an agreement, a copy of which was obtained by AFP news agency.

The deal also called for setting up a high-level commission headed by Balochistan’s home minister to investigate attacks against the Hazara community in the past 22 years.

On Friday, Khan appealed to the protesters not to link the burial of the coal miners to his visit to Quetta, vowing he would come afterwards. Under Islamic tradition, burials take place as quickly as possible after death.

“No premier of any country should be blackmailed like this,” Khan said in televised remarks.

Dozens of Shia rallied on Friday in the capital of Islamabad, denouncing Khan for calling the mourners blackmailers.

The prime minister’s office said on Saturday that Khan had flown to Quetta and was expected to arrive shortly.

The prime minister had already sent a group of ministers and top officials to negotiate with the Hazara community, leading the mourners to agree to a funeral.

Violent attacks against Shia and other religious minority groups remain a serious problem in Sunni-majority Pakistan.

Before coming to power in 2018, Khan often criticised Pakistan’s leaders for not doing more to stop attacks on the minority Hazara community, and for not rushing to Quetta to offer condolences after similar assaults.

The ISIL group abducted and then shot and killed the miners on Sunday in Balochistan.

Police video of their bodies revealed the miners had been blindfolded and their hands tied behind their backs before being shot.

The ISIL affiliate promptly claimed responsibility and since then authorities have raided hideouts to arrest those who orchestrated the killings, though Khan insisted Pakistan’s neighbour India was behind the violence in Balochistan.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/9/pakistani-shias-end-protests-hold-funeral-for-11-miners
 
That's not how hypocrisy works.

The Bhutto and Sharif era's were riddle with corruption, incompetence, nepotism, stagnation and lack of transparency.

Imran's intentions were clear and then protests had a solid foundation.

What PDM are doing now is ironic in that they wish to replicate PTI's strategy of undermining the government. They always follow short as they have no foundation on which to call out PTI on.

All of that is happening in PTI government on Imran’s watch.
 
Yes because Yadav is pointless to the debate because RAW is still active while Yadav has been caught. I don't know why this is so difficult for you to grasp.

That still doesn't change what he said. He should have some shame and apologize for his heinous statement which were incredibly insensitive the sentiments of the bereaved. An apology is the only way he can salvage this.

What was the heinous statement exactly? I am not sure which one you are construing as heinous?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">وزیرِ اعظم عمران خان کا کوئٹہ میں ہزارہ برادری کے متاثرین خاندانوں سے ملاقات <a href="https://t.co/U3FXCIvujr">pic.twitter.com/U3FXCIvujr</a></p>— Prime Minister's Office, Pakistan (@PakPMO) <a href="https://twitter.com/PakPMO/status/1347894948826378243?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">وزیرِ اعظم عمران خان کا کوئٹہ میں ہزارہ برادری کے متاثرین خاندانوں سے ملاقات <a href="https://t.co/U3FXCIvujr">pic.twitter.com/U3FXCIvujr</a></p>— Prime Minister's Office, Pakistan (@PakPMO) <a href="https://twitter.com/PakPMO/status/1347894948826378243?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Shameless person! Biggest blackmailer the world had seen. Blackmailed the country for 126 days.
 
Calling the protestors blackmailers.

I don't think that is a heinous statement, especially when taken in context:

"We have accepted all of their demands. [But] one of their demands is that the dead will be buried when the premier visits. I have sent them a message that when all of your demands have been accepted [...] you don't blackmail the prime minister of any country like this.

"Anyone will blackmail the prime minister then," he said, adding that this included a "band of crooks" in apparent reference to the Pakistan Democratic Movement. "This blackmail has also been ongoing for two-and-a-half years."


He's referring to some political group called the Pakistan Democratic Movement who it would seem are using the tragedy to further their own agenda whatever that may be. That is what I would call heinous, especially if they are getting backed from abroad.
 
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