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At least 4,000 detained in occupied Kashmir since India took away autonomy: AFP

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Thousands of people have been detained in Indian Kashmir over fears of outbreaks of unrest after New Delhi stripped the restive region of its autonomy two weeks ago, government sources told AFP.

A magistrate speaking to AFP on condition of anonymity said at least 4,000 people were arrested and held under the Public Safety Act (PSA), a controversial law that allows authorities to imprison someone for up to two years without charge or trial.

"Most of them were flown out of Kashmir because prisons here have run out of capacity," the magistrate said, adding that he had used a satellite phone allocated to him to collate the figures from colleagues across the Himalayan territory amid a communications blackout imposed by authorities.

Authorities have repeatedly declined to provide a tally of how many people have been taken into custody, apart from confirming more than 100 local politicians, activists and academics were detained in the first few days after the state was stripped of its semi-autonomous status.

They said the "few preventive detentions" were made to avoid a "breach of the peace" in a region that has fought an armed rebellion against Indian rule for three decades.

Jammu and Kashmir government spokesman Rohit Kansal said previously there was "no centralised figure" for the total number of people detained.

But AFP spoke to numerous government officials in Kashmir's main city of Srinagar, including police and security personnel, who confirmed the sweeping arrests.

A police official who asked to remain anonymous told AFP "around 6,000 people were medically examined at a couple of places in Srinagar after they were detained".

"They are first sent to the central jail in Srinagar and later flown out of here in military aircrafts," he added.

Another security official said "thousands are jailed" but that the figure did not include other residents whose detentions at police stations had not been recorded.

- Protesters injured -

The revelations came as eight people were injured during weekend protests in Srinagar with authorities reimposing heavy restrictions to quell any unrest.

Authorities were gradually easing a massive movement and communications lockdown imposed two weeks ago.

But clashes in a dozen locations around Srinagar on Saturday saw restrictions brought back in some locations, the Press Trust of India news agency reported, citing unnamed officials.

Authorities have previously denied or played down reports of any violence and stressed that most of the Muslim-majority Kashmir Valley has been peaceful.

State government spokesman Kansal told reporters late Saturday that eight people had been injured in the clashes but did not provide further details.

A senior government official told AFP earlier Sunday that more telephone exchanges would return to normal operations "by the evening".

Schools in some areas would reopen on Monday, officials said.

In the Hindu-majority city of Jammu, authorities cut mobile internet services on Sunday and warned locals not to circulate messages or videos on social media that they said were fake, PTI reported.

New Delhi's shock decision has sparked public anger and frustration and there have been several rallies in Srinagar attracting thousands of demonstrators.

https://www.france24.com/en/20190818-4-000-detained-in-kashmir-since-autonomy-stripped-govt-sources
 
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There are actually people in the replies calling this fake news.😂
The ignorance and denial is just...
 
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A magistrate speaking to AFP on condition of anonymity said at least 4,000 people were arrested and held under the Public Safety Act (PSA), a controversial law that allows authorities to imprison someone for up to two years without charge or trial.

"Most of them were flown out of Kashmir because prisons here have run out of capacity," the magistrate said, adding that he had used a satellite phone allocated to him to collate the figures from colleagues across the Himalayan territory amid a communications blackout imposed by authorities.

So how many people do they intend on 'flying out'?
 
So even if one of those 4000 person's family picks up a gun against India and goes and kills soldiers India would blame Pakistan. :))
 
So how many people do they intend on 'flying out'?

Actually it was couple of days post law change that even an India reporter of Al Jazeera was reporting that people have been detained and taken out using helicopters and no one knows where they were being held. She mentioned that helicopters on that night were used.

This is quite an alarming number. The cases of missing persons in Kashmir post blackout will leave a black mark on Indian democratic history.
 
It’s okay since China has detained more Uyghurs, and because the ones India has detained are probably only being tortured, not being made to sing folk songs.
 
It’s okay since China has detained more Uyghurs, and because the ones India has detained are probably only being tortured, not being made to sing folk songs.

A dangerous precedent is set in India over the last few years where religious extremism is in the spotlight.

They can occupy the land but never integrate with people there simply because of this religious extreme at both ends. India is not secular enough in today's world to integrate with another religion.

The onus is now on the international community to highlight these atrocities and take a tough stance on India. You let things pass through now it would only make it worse going forward and by then these things could never be controlled.
 
The onus is now on the international community to highlight these atrocities and take a tough stance on India. You let things pass through now it would only make it worse going forward and by then these things could never be controlled.

The international community will do nothing, and there may actually be a silver lining there. I gained an interesting perspective of that a couple of days ago. I was chatting with a Kashmiri fried (now settled overseas), and he said he feels a heightened “intimacy” with Pakistan since August 5. With the sort of lukewarm, milquetoast responses emerging from other capitals of note, in particular the much-vaunted headquarters of the Ummah, it almost feels like Kashmiris and Pakistanis versus the rest, and in his words, that isn’t the worst thing.
 
So even if one of those 4000 person's family picks up a gun against India and goes and kills soldiers India would blame Pakistan. :))

Even if they blame this time they won't have the guts to fo anything else. IK has given fair warnings to the World that this time there won't be any tea
 
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Again kids in the protest : (

Even 16th August Friday prayers thread we can see kids in protest
 
Again kids in the protest : (

Even 16th August Friday prayers thread we can see kids in protest

Well Indian forces are occupying all of the Kashmir which includes kids, seniors, adults so they're all stakeholders. These kids will be the future Mujahideen that India is creating today
 
India is trying to do a slow genocide in Kashmir.

May God give Kashmir justice and freedom they deserve.
 
We have already done what we wsnted to do. Thats why the PM of pakistan is ranting away on twitter.

And thank you for that! Kashmir is finally getting the international attention it deserves. Thank you for also reaffirming to our Kashmiri brotheren that Pakistan is the country that cares for them
 
So even if one of those 4000 person's family picks up a gun against India and goes and kills soldiers India would blame Pakistan. :))

This is what happened in Pulwama as well, a local Kashmiri boy who went to an extent of blowing himself up, he was a local boy born and brought up in Pulwama. And guess who did they blame? Yes Pakistan was blamed even though the majority of blame goes to Indian state whose citizen under their watch with thousands of soldiers around him managed to do this. To fool their brainwashed masses, they used excuse of a man who is fighting for his life on deathbed in Pakistan.
Remember the day India was sending thousands of troops to Kashmir before removal of 370? They actually spread this news that Pakistan have sent terrorists to attack India and obviously it turns out yet again that it was FAKE news and their motive was different.
 
Again kids in the protest : (

Even 16th August Friday prayers thread we can see kids in protest

They are all held and will be trained to be good citizens and Muslims. Instead of one big concentration camp , it's several camps.
 
This is what happened in Pulwama as well, a local Kashmiri boy who went to an extent of blowing himself up, he was a local boy born and brought up in Pulwama. And guess who did they blame? Yes Pakistan was blamed even though the majority of blame goes to Indian state whose citizen under their watch with thousands of soldiers around him managed to do this. To fool their brainwashed masses, they used excuse of a man who is fighting for his life on deathbed in Pakistan.
Remember the day India was sending thousands of troops to Kashmir before removal of 370? They actually spread this news that Pakistan have sent terrorists to attack India and obviously it turns out yet again that it was FAKE news and their motive was different.

Don't be naive. How can a kid get hold of so much RDX? He's some kid who was martyred to get BJP into power. Finally there will be no ambiguity in Kashmiri status. There is already news coming out that the political parties are realigning themselves to the new status. The separatism is not an agenda that will sell anymore. 370 repeal is an irreversible step. The funding apparatus of the separatist movement is being disbanded as we speak. Stone pelters will be used by GOI for Phulwama type attacks. Anyone who goes beyond that and becomes a Jihadi will find himself in a ditch in a few days. Anyone who goes to training to Pakistan will be blown away during his return. There are no jobs in India for that kind of training.
 
Don't be naive. How can a kid get hold of so much RDX? He's some kid who was martyred to get BJP into power. Finally there will be no ambiguity in Kashmiri status. There is already news coming out that the political parties are realigning themselves to the new status. The separatism is not an agenda that will sell anymore. 370 repeal is an irreversible step. The funding apparatus of the separatist movement is being disbanded as we speak. Stone pelters will be used by GOI for Phulwama type attacks. Anyone who goes beyond that and becomes a Jihadi will find himself in a ditch in a few days. Anyone who goes to training to Pakistan will be blown away during his return. There are no jobs in India for that kind of training.

Oh you ask about RDX, how the hell did he travel hundred Kilometers in Kashmir with RDX when there are thousands of soldiers???? Are you really that naive that you think Pakistan supplied him RDX which he was hiding in his pocket and escaped through mountains (something that you see in Bollywood??)

Well if you think you can corner 8 million people taking away their rights and humiliate them by FORCE then you are living in fool's paradise. As for separatists, Modi has created far more separatists than there ever were in history so good luck with using close to million soldiers to control entire Kashmir population.
 
Oh you ask about RDX, how the hell did he travel hundred Kilometers in Kashmir with RDX when there are thousands of soldiers???? Are you really that naive that you think Pakistan supplied him RDX which he was hiding in his pocket and escaped through mountains (something that you see in Bollywood??)

Well if you think you can corner 8 million people taking away their rights and humiliate them by FORCE then you are living in fool's paradise. As for separatists, Modi has created far more separatists than there ever were in history so good luck with using close to million soldiers to control entire Kashmir population.

Read my post again. I'm saying there is no way in heck a kid can procure that amount of RDX through any means let alone Pakistan. It was to facilitate a favorable election result. I believe he's some stone pelter who has been pushed to this.

Nobody took anybody's rights. Stop being ridiculous. Most of these people have been living, studying and working in the same place for decades for generations. A few thousand will be taken care of. Based on your high hopes of suicides by kashmiris, they are going to massively disappoint you. A bunch of kids were brainwashed due to the ambiguity of the situation. There is no confusions now. They will behave and go about as the rest of the Indians. Criminals will be treated accordingly as well.
 
Read my post again. I'm saying there is no way in heck a kid can procure that amount of RDX through any means let alone Pakistan. It was to facilitate a favorable election result. I believe he's some stone pelter who has been pushed to this.

Nobody took anybody's rights. Stop being ridiculous. Most of these people have been living, studying and working in the same place for decades for generations. A few thousand will be taken care of. Based on your high hopes of suicides by kashmiris, they are going to massively disappoint you. A bunch of kids were brainwashed due to the ambiguity of the situation. There is no confusions now. They will behave and go about as the rest of the Indians. Criminals will be treated accordingly as well.

Yes i did misread because your initial statement suggested the kid got help from across the border as you always blame. As for me hoping for suicide by Kashmiris, why do you think you fight back through suicide only? You are so confident that nothing will happen, when India needed 700,000 soldiers even before removal of 370 then imagine what would it take to keep it under control.
 
Yes i did misread because your initial statement suggested the kid got help from across the border as you always blame. As for me hoping for suicide by Kashmiris, why do you think you fight back through suicide only? You are so confident that nothing will happen, when India needed 700,000 soldiers even before removal of 370 then imagine what would it take to keep it under control.

Nothing out of ordinary will happen because of the 700k soldiers. Hence my confidence and they will remain until it calms down. On all accounts there will be a change in attitude of the way they treat regular people. India needs millions of kashmiris who don't resort to violence on their side. The rest of India needs to behave responsibly on social media. Main stream media needs to gain confidence of the Kashmiris. Good governance should be provided. There are indications that separatists will join main stream politics. That's their only way to survival with funds drying up. The massive security buildup is to cleanse kashmir of these ills. Hope better sense prevails.
 
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‘Iron fist’ in rural Kashmir

Villages like Shaar, Khrew and Mandankpal in south Kashmir provide a clue why the Valley has not exploded as it did during past agitations.

Like much of the countryside elsewhere, they faced a brutal clampdown after the revocation of the state’s special status on August 5.

Local people said the forces had rounded up dozens of “potential stone-throwers”, often arresting their fathers and brothers to prod them to surrender — an aspect of the crackdown that has passed largely under the radar thanks to the information blackout.

A health department employee said there had been so few protests because people were afraid.

The Telegraph did not find any security personnel on a 10km stretch of road from Samboora to Shaar. The roads were deserted and no shop was open despite the relaxations since Friday.

“They have arrested people and taken them to prisons outside the state to instil fear. They have come up with laws that allow them to declare anyone as a militant. Then there are the dozens of arrests,” the government employee explained.

Hundreds of security personnel had been stationed in these villages till Friday, enforcing curfew-like restrictions during the daytime and looking for “potential stone-throwers” by night.

Around two dozen young men were arrested from these three villages, some of whom have been released. The unluckier ones are behind bars, some of them booked under the Public Safety Act, which allows detention without trial for up to two years.

In Shaar, Shabir Ahmad Bhat said the forces had come last week looking for his younger brother Mukhtar, who had worked in Saudi Arabia for six years before returning last year to start a bakery.

When they could not find him, they arrested another of his brothers, Rafiq. Mukhtar surrendered so that his brother would be set free, Bhat said.

“He (Mukhtar) has never participated in any protest and is getting married next month. The police have assured us he would be released.”

In nearby Khrew, the forces came looking for Sameer Ahmad but arrested his father Manzoor. “Sameer was at his aunt’s home that night. They arrested his father but released him the next day after Sameer surrendered,” a relative said.

“For six days, we had no information about him. Yesterday (Saturday), we found him at the central jail, booked under the PSA. He told us he was thrashed and that there were hundreds of prisoners in the jail.”

Government spokesperson Rohit Kansal said the process of arrests and releases was “dynamic” and local, making it difficult to cite a number. He, however, asserted that the reports about “thousands” being arrested were exaggerated.

Kansal was mum when a reporter asked why the administration couldn’t put a figure on the arrests when it could cite the number of people who performed Id prayers.

The authorities had during Id contended that a large number of people had offered prayers — although no prayers were allowed at most of the major mosques and idgahs.

In a way, the government’s preparations to avert a deadly flare-up this time had started months, if not years, in advance. The administration had not once relaxed its chokehold since it crushed the 2016 summer agitation, which followed the killing of Hizb commander Burhan Wani, leaving over 100 dead and thousands injured.

In the months before the decision to scrap the state’s special status, some 70,000 additional troops had been moved into the state.

Local people said unknown security agencies had pasted posters at multiple places, causing more fear. The posters detail the benefits of the revocation of Kashmir’s autonomy, one being that it would increase the cost of land.

“This means they want to sell our land to outsiders and change the demography of this place,” a resident said.

https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/iron-fist-in-rural-kashmir/cid/1698688
 
As indian posters would say this is fake news too, can someone give me link to where would I find real news please.
 
The continued and craven obsequiousness of the local police, now limited to lathis after being stripped of their guns, reminds one of the Judenrat: the Jewish police in the ghettos. They ended up in the gas chambers just like the people they had helped oppressed on behalf of their lords and masters. The few that survived were and are reviled, and there is a stigma still associated with their descendants. That is probably the fate of the J&K cops too.
 
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As indian posters would say this is fake news too, can someone give me link to where would I find real news please.

What are we common Indians supposed to do? Pick up guns and go over to Kashmir to fight the Indian army?
 
The continued and craven obsequiousness of the local police, now limited to lathis after being stripped of their guns, reminds one of the Judenrat: the Jewish police in the ghettos. They ended up in the gas chambers just like the people they had helped oppressed on behalf of their lords and masters. The few that survived were and are reviled, and there is a stigma still associated with their descendants. That is probably the fate of the J&K cops too.

Weapons were seized from contractual employees who works for 100$/month,few of them joined terror groups in the past.
 
The continued and craven obsequiousness of the local police, now limited to lathis after being stripped of their guns, reminds one of the Judenrat: the Jewish police in the ghettos. They ended up in the gas chambers just like the people they had helped oppressed on behalf of their lords and masters. The few that survived were and are reviled, and there is a stigma still associated with their descendants. That is probably the fate of the J&K cops too.

Separatists are easy to deal with. It's the two faced political and police that are dangerous and have been disbanded. Blind eye to stone pelting and guns being hand delivered to the jihadis are done with. These goons were even drug peddlers supplying them to addicted jihadis. All that is gone now.
 
Teens swept up in night raids in occupied Kashmir clampdown

Ali Mohammad Rah sat on the pavement outside a police station in Indian-occupied Kashmir's main city of Srinagar on Tuesday, waiting to see his teenage sons, who were swept up in government raids overnight.

“Soldiers violently banged windows of our home while we were sleeping,” Rah told AFP, saying his sons — aged 14 and 16 — were taken away before dawn in the Srinagar neighbourhood of Mehjoor Nagar.

“They just barged in and dragged my two sons away.”

Government sources say at least 4,000 people have been detained in Kashmir since India revoked the restive Himalayan region's autonomy on August 5 and imposed a massive security lockdown on the restive region.

Protests have broken out frequently, prompting raids by police and paramilitary forces.

In Nowshera, in an old quarter of the city, residents said several young men were taken away and detained by police on Sunday night.

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Two men speak to the media as they wait outside a police station after their sons were detained during night raids in Srinagar on Tuesday. — AFP

Locals from other neighbourhoods reported similar blitzes.

To try and stop the raids, residents in Srinagar's Soura area have erected barricades and dug trenches in roads that lead to their cluster of homes.

Sitting outside the police station alongside Rah on Tuesday were dozens of other locals who said their relatives were also in custody — among them 21 boys from the most recent night raid.

They say soldiers used ladders to scale the walls of their compounds.

Widow Rozi, who only gave one name, said a gun was put to her head and she was told to “keep quiet” by soldiers as they led her 20-year-old son Suhail Mohiuddin from the house.

Another woman, Mubeena, said a soldier “sprayed something on my face” when her brother was seized.

“I fell down in pain and couldn't see for a while. When I gathered myself my brother had already been taken away,” she told AFP.

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A woman waits outside a police station after her relative was detained during night raids in Srinagar on Tuesday. — AFP

Nearby, Ulfat cradled her one-month-old son as she waited to find out about her breadwinner husband Mushtaq Ahmad, who she said was taken away by police.

“I don't have money to buy medicines for myself and other things for my baby,” she told AFP.

Officials at the station did not respond to a request for comment.

Authorities have declined to speak on the numbers of people behind bars.

Those picked up include local politicians, activists, business leaders and lawyers.

In justifying the scrapping of Kashmir's autonomy, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi said last week that “fresh thinking” was needed after seven decades of failure to ensure harmony in the former Himalayan kingdom, where tens of thousands have died in the past 30 years.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1500633/teens-swept-up-in-night-raids-in-occupied-kashmir-clampdown
 
What are we common Indians supposed to do? Pick up guns and go over to Kashmir to fight the Indian army?

Good question.

Common Indian does not has the intellectual level or understanding of the situation in the presence of Indian media's reporting.
But a well literate Indian poster on PP, having access to world media such as reuters, afp etc should at least consider these things "bad" and could avoid justifying these draconian measures.
 
None of these are draconian measures and Indian govt and army are doing their best to save lives.If these paid goons of Pakistan refrain from inciting the the mob , common man in Kashmir has a very bright future now in Kashmir.

Pakistan did the same things with Khalistan and Sikhs have realized that Pakistan is not their friend but just using them to get to India.Punjab is one of most prosperous states in India.

Govt of India has done the most important thing in solving this issue forever and now it will take time to get normalcy in Kashmir.
 
None of these are draconian measures and Indian govt and army are doing their best to save lives.If these paid goons of Pakistan refrain from inciting the the mob , common man in Kashmir has a very bright future now in Kashmir.

Pakistan did the same things with Khalistan and Sikhs have realized that Pakistan is not their friend but just using them to get to India.Punjab is one of most prosperous states in India.

Govt of India has done the most important thing in solving this issue forever and now it will take time to get normalcy in Kashmir.

Imagine if our ancestors had listened to British then you and I probably be having chips and fish instead curry rice.
 
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Imagine if our ancestors had listened to British then you and I probably be having chips and fish instead curry rice.

Fighting british for freedom and terrorism are not equal.

Hindus and Musilms have coexisted in India long before British ever came to India and they still are coexisting in other parts of India.Kashmir is not special where Kashmiri muslims need another country.
 
Fighting british for freedom and terrorism are not equal.

Hindus and Musilms have coexisted in India long before British ever came to India and they still are coexisting in other parts of India.Kashmir is not special where Kashmiri muslims need another country.

Great, as expected.

Why were yours and mine ancestors were freedom fighters while fighting an occupation and kashmiri are terrorist while fighting an occupation.

What criteria are you using to define your bias?
 
Great, as expected.

Why were yours and mine ancestors were freedom fighters while fighting an occupation and kashmiri are terrorist while fighting an occupation.

What criteria are you using to define your bias?

What criteria are using to define your bias??? and what is your criteria to define why they are fighting an occupation.
 
What criteria are using to define your bias??? and what is your criteria to define why they are fighting an occupation.

This is going to be entertaining.

But as predicted, you deflected, instead of answering my question.

It is "Kashmiri" not "they", it sound racist and derogatory when you refer a group of people as "they, your kind, them people, etc".

I am not using any criteria, i'm repeating what Kashmiri are saying, they are occupied by over 800K Indian troops.

Now back to my question, please try to answer it, "what criteria have used to define Kashmiri as terrorist while labeling mine and your ancestors as freedom fighters?

Remember British also believed that Indians would be better off in British India, do you believe that statement was racist?

Am I asking difficult questions?
 
They are all held and will be trained to be good citizens and Muslims. Instead of one big concentration camp , it's several camps.

I don't see how anyone can find that funny. The holocaust is not a joke. Nor is it funny to imply that you're going to essentially repeat that on any sort of scale.

If that was not an attempt at humour, then you're rotten from the core.
 
This is going to be entertaining.

But as predicted, you deflected, instead of answering my question.

It is "Kashmiri" not "they", it sound racist and derogatory when you refer a group of people as "they, your kind, them people, etc".

I am not using any criteria, i'm repeating what Kashmiri are saying, they are occupied by over 800K Indian troops.

Now back to my question, please try to answer it, "what criteria have used to define Kashmiri as terrorist while labeling mine and your ancestors as freedom fighters?

Remember British also believed that Indians would be better off in British India, do you believe that statement was racist?

Am I asking difficult questions?

No you are not asking any diffucult question because I don't see any important question.

Unless you anser mine, I cannot answer yours as my answers are dependent on your criteria.
 
Labeling Kashmiri's as terrorists instead of freedom fighters is similar to calling the 1857 war of independence a mutiny.
 
I don't see how anyone can find that funny. The holocaust is not a joke. Nor is it funny to imply that you're going to essentially repeat that on any sort of scale.

If that was not an attempt at humour, then you're rotten from the core.

Jeez relax. Read about Uighurs.
 
Labeling Kashmiri's as terrorists instead of freedom fighters is similar to calling the 1857 war of independence a mutiny.

We are not labelling all Kashmiris as terrorists, we are labelling Pakistani sponsored thugs in Kashmir as terrorists.These are paid thugs whose only job is to create unrest and spread terror in the region.
 
We are not labelling all Kashmiris as terrorists, we are labelling Pakistani sponsored thugs in Kashmir as terrorists.These are paid thugs whose only job is to create unrest and spread terror in the region.

Basically, people who want freedom or those that want to merge with Pakistan. Correct?

Same thing. They are freedom fighters who want to break free from the tyranny.
 
We are not labelling all Kashmiris as terrorists, we are labelling Pakistani sponsored thugs in Kashmir as terrorists.These are paid thugs whose only job is to create unrest and spread terror in the region.

So you are saying India has arrested 4000 (a lot more in reality) Pakistani Sponsored Thugs?
 
Basically, people who want freedom or those that want to merge with Pakistan. Correct?

Same thing. They are freedom fighters who want to break free from the tyranny.

No it is not same thing, Kashmir is/was never part of Pakistan, so Indian army has every right to crush these Pakistani sponsored thugs.
 
So you are saying India has arrested 4000 (a lot more in reality) Pakistani Sponsored Thugs?

What is population of Kashmir.These thugs will be silenced and Kashmiris will be set free from all terroists in days to come.
 
No you are not asking any diffucult question because I don't see any important question.

Unless you anser mine, I cannot answer yours as my answers are dependent on your criteria.

I've already answer your question.

I am not using any criteria, i'm repeating what Kashmiri are saying, they are occupied by over 800K Indian troops.

And one has to believe them if you believe yours and mine ancestors were freedom fighters against British.

Now please answer, why do you believe Kashmiri are terrorist while praising yours and mine ancestors as freedom fighters.

This time try not to deflect.

Thank You!
 
I've already answer your question.



And one has to believe them if you believe yours and mine ancestors were freedom fighters against British.

Now please answer, why do you believe Kashmiri are terrorist while praising yours and mine ancestors as freedom fighters.

This time try not to deflect.

Thank You!

I am not deflecting anything?? Who are these fighting and what are they fighting for?Please answer this so I can answer your question properly.
 
I am not deflecting anything?? Who are these fighting and what are they fighting for?Please answer this so I can answer your question properly.


LOL.

I guess you do not have an answer but I would take an offense if someone, particularly someone whom ancestors fought for freedom were to call them terrorist.

Again, "they, them, your kind" is a derogatory and racist way of speaking of group of people. try not to avoid them unless you are trying to degrade Kashmiris.
 
Labeling Kashmiri's as terrorists instead of freedom fighters is similar to calling the 1857 war of independence a mutiny.

It's all about perspective. The Rebellion of 1857 was an uprising for Muslims, a War of Independence for Hindus and a Mutiny for the British.
 
LOL.

I guess you do not have an answer but I would take an offense if someone, particularly someone whom ancestors fought for freedom were to call them terrorist.

Again, "they, them, your kind" is a derogatory and racist way of speaking of group of people. try not to avoid them unless you are trying to degrade Kashmiris.

I asked a simple question but I will answer it for you. who are those who are fighting (they are Pakistan sponsored thugs) and what are they fighting for ( they are fighting for Pakistan not Kashmir)


When Pakistan vaccates POK and Gilgit then come and talk to me about Kashmir.
 
I asked a simple question but I will answer it for you. who are those who are fighting (they are Pakistan sponsored thugs) and what are they fighting for ( they are fighting for Pakistan not Kashmir)


When Pakistan vaccates POK and Gilgit then come and talk to me about Kashmir.

What about those who are protesting? Are they also 'Pakistan-sponsored'?
 
I asked a simple question but I will answer it for you. who are those who are fighting (they are Pakistan sponsored thugs) and what are they fighting for ( they are fighting for Pakistan not Kashmir)


When Pakistan vaccates POK and Gilgit then come and talk to me about Kashmir.

1) Kashmiri in Pakistan and Gilgit are not protesting nor there are thousands of troops to force curfew, Every Kashmiri in Gilgit and Kashmir are free to move around in the vicinity. So I failed to understand why would anyone bring this up unless indulging in 'whataboutery"

2) Pakistan sponsored thugs? do you have any evidence of it? If you do not then you are lying( I apologize to call you a liar but you are lying) and your words has no weight. Let me give you a hint, people of Kashmir are protesting, there is no Pakistani presence in Indian occupied Kashmir, if you have an evidence then please provide and if not stop creating false fact out of thin air.

It can't be Indian origin evidence, anyone with little sense of reality can't take any Indian evidence seriously.

3) First, it isn't "they",It is "Kashmiri", are fighting against oppression and occupation, if you are unable to see that then please join an Indian army and ask them to have you posted in Kashmir.

Now please answer, Why are Kashmiri freedom fighters are terrorists while yours and mine ancestors were freedom fighter while both groups were/are fighting for freedom against occupation.

I understand, as an Indian, you have to continue to believe everything and anything coming from Indian politicians and media but please do not expect rest of us to believe lies spewed by Indian politicians and media.
 
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I asked a simple question but I will answer it for you. who are those who are fighting (they are Pakistan sponsored thugs) and what are they fighting for ( they are fighting for Pakistan not Kashmir)


When Pakistan vaccates POK and Gilgit then come and talk to me about Kashmir.

why ? for what ?
 
NEW DELHI: Congress leader Rahul Gandhi and 11 leaders of other opposition parties who landed today at Srinagar airport were sent back to Delhi, news agency ANI reported. Restrictions have been imposed in Jammu and Kashmir since the centre withdrew special status from the state and divided it into two union territories earlier this month.

The Jammu And Kashmir Information and Public Relations Department on Friday tweeted political leaders should not "not visit Srinagar as they would be putting other people to inconvenience" at a "time when the government is trying to protect the people of Jammu and Kashmir from the threat of cross border terrorism and attacks..."

Among the parties that were part of the opposition's all-party delegation that landed at Srinagar were Congress, CPI(M), CPI, Rashtriya Janata Dal, Nationalist Congress Party, Trinamool Congress and the DMK.

Ghulam Nabi Azad and Anand Sharma were the senior Congress leaders other than Rahul Gandhi who flew to Jammu and Kashmir. Mr Azad was twice stopped at Jammu airport, most recently on Tuesday, and was "forcibly" sent back to Delhi both times.

"We are all responsible political parties and leaders. We are not going to break any law. The Jammu and Kashmir situation is very concerning. It's close to 20 days. No news for 20 days. The government says the situation is normal. But then they don't allow leaders to go? Haven't seen such contradiction... If it's normal, why aren't we allowed?" Mr Azad said before he left for the airport this morning in Delhi, news agency ANI reported.

Communist Party of India (Marxist) leader Sitaram Yechury, CPI's D Raja, DMK's Tiruchi Siva, Rashtriya Janata Dal's Manoj Jha and Dinesh Trivedi from the Trinamool Congress were part of the delegation, sources said.

Some 400 politicians, including former Chief Ministers Omar Abdullah and Mehbooba Mufti, are under arrest in Jammu and Kashmir

They had planned to visit other parts of the state. So far, the government has not allowed any political leader to enter the state.

Mr Gandhi landed in Kashmir valley weeks after Governor Satya Pal Malik invited him - on a plane to be sent by the centre - to see the situation on the ground. "I have invited Rahul Gandhi to come here. I will send you a plane, to observe (the situation) and then speak up. You are a responsible person and you should not speak like this," Mr Malik said on August 11, replying to Mr Gandhi's comments that reports of "violence and deaths" had come from Jammu and Kashmir.

Mr Gandhi accepted the invitation two days later, but the Governor decided to withdraw the invitation for putting "pre-conditions" for the visit. "Rahul Gandhi is politicising the matter by seeking to bring a delegation of opposition leaders to create further unrest and problems for the common people," Mr Malik had said in a statement.

Some 400 politicians, including former Chief Ministers Omar Abdullah and Mehbooba Mufti, are under arrest. The restrictions are still in place at several areas in the state.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/as-...t-says-stay-away-2089677?pfrom=home-topscroll
 
I've already answer your question.



And one has to believe them if you believe yours and mine ancestors were freedom fighters against British.

Now please answer, why do you believe Kashmiri are terrorist while praising yours and mine ancestors as freedom fighters.

This time try not to deflect.

Thank You!

because of 1 basic difference .... British were conducting atrocities of epic proportions upon 'people of the nation as a whole ' and hence native Indians were forced to make them leave the country for ever.

On the other hand, Kashmiris were having all the privileges that the vast majority of rest of the people were denied of for decades now.So there has been no need for them to create these type of unnecessary problems.

There in lies the basic difference between the 2 situations.
 
Kashmir: Midnight knocks, and arrests

Asifa Mubeen was woken up by the sound of barking dogs as police officers began pouring into her yard.

Her husband, Mubeen Shah, a wealthy Kashmiri merchant, stepped out onto their bedroom balcony in the night air. The officers shouted up that he was under arrest. When he asked to see a warrant, his wife said, the officers told him there wouldn’t be one.

“This is different,” they said. “We have orders.”

It was the start of one of the biggest mass arrests of civilian leaders in decades carried out by India.

Local officials say that at least 2,000 Kashmiris — including business leaders, human rights defenders, elected representatives, teachers, and students as young as 14 — were rounded up by security forces in the days right before and right after the government revoked Jammu and Kashmir’s special status.

The detainees have not been able to communicate with their families or meet with lawyers. Their whereabouts remain unknown. Most were taken in the middle of the night, witnesses said.

“Kashmir is silent as a graveyard,” said Vrinda Grover, a human rights lawyer.

The government isn’t revealing what charges the detainees face or how long they will be held. Some were reported to have been flown to jails in Lucknow, Varanasi and Agra.

On Thursday, the United Nations Human Rights Office said it was “gravely concerned”.

For decades, Kashmir has been racked by militancy, oppression and unrest. Kashmiris are feeling especially demoralised and cornered now. The fear is that the area is about to blow, and even with phone lines cut, leaders in jail and soldiers on every street, protests are erupting. Some are peaceful. Others descend into stone-pelting clashes.

But the fury is there, always.

“There is only one solution!” the crowds cheer. “Gun solution! Gun solution!”

The home ministry will not answer questions about the mass arrests.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi has said the state of Jammu and Kashmir had suffered too long and needed a change. He promised that the new arrangement would improve governance, bring peace and boost outside investment, which many Kashmiris question, especially now that business leaders have been thrown in jail.

“Who will invest there?” asked Farooq Kathwari, a prominent Kashmiri and the chief executive officer of Ethan Allen, the American furniture chain.

The way security officials have handled this, he said, “has taken the dignity of the people. They have created a rage, and that rage will get them to do all kinds of things.”

Among the people who were rounded up were Mian Qayoom, president of the Jammu and Kashmir High Court Bar Association; Mohammed Yasin Khan, chairman of the Kashmir Economic Alliance; Raja Muzaffar Bhat, an anticorruption crusader; Fayaz Ahmed Mir, a tractor driver and Arabic scholar; and former chief ministers Omar Abdullah and Mehbooba Mufti.

Shah Faesal, another politician, was arrested at New Delhi’s international airport, bags checked, boarding pass in hand, heading for a fellowship at Harvard. Several prominent state politicians have been put under house arrest.

“These detentions are totally illegal and unconstitutional,” said Zaffar Shah, a Kashmiri lawyer.

In the case of Mubeen Shah, 63, the wealthy merchant, his wife is still stunned about him being taken away. He was “just a business guy”, she said, who dealt in Kashmiri curios and carpets and had tried to woo foreign investors to build new electricity plants in Kashmir — exactly what the Modi government has said it wants.

As dozens surrounded Mubeen Shah, others moved house to house, across the Valley, looking for specific people. At least 20 stormed the home of Bhat, the anticorruption activist, his family said.

Bhat’s family said he had never been arrested before, “not even for one hour”.

When his wife, Fozia Kauser, asked why this was happening, the Kashmiri police said they didn’t know. Again, the response was: orders.

A few days after Mubeen Shah, the rug and crafts merchant, was arrested, his elder brother, Niaz, tracked him down at a Srinagar jail.

Mubeen Shah asked the guards if he could hug his brother. They said yes.

The next morning, Niaz Shah came back with some spare clothes.

But guards told him his brother was gone, on a military plane to Agra.

https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/kashmir-midnight-knocks-and-arrests/cid/1699843
 
because of 1 basic difference .... British were conducting atrocities of epic proportions upon 'people of the nation as a whole ' and hence native Indians were forced to make them leave the country for ever.

On the other hand, Kashmiris were having all the privileges that the vast majority of rest of the people were denied of for decades now.So there has been no need for them to create these type of unnecessary problems.

There in lies the basic difference between the 2 situations.

800K + troops in Kashmir against the will of Kashmiri.
 
800K + troops in Kashmir against the will of Kashmiri.

for their ordinary routine lives not to get disturbed by military, every section of people are expected to behave in a decent way .No region in the nation except Kashmir has been witnessing this trait in such sustained prolonged periods of time and that too in epic levels.And there are 100s & 100s of regions in India.Naturally when such traits are the characteristic of only one region among thousands of other regions in the nation, there has to be some serious fault with the population as a whole of that region. That being the case, Kashmiris themselves have to blame for such massive level of military presence in their region, no one else.

Even in the last 20 days or so , there has been no such huge military presence in any other region other than Kashmir....why? Because the 'population as a whole' of other regions behave decently in general as is expected of civilized citizens, obeying law and order.
 
for their ordinary routine lives not to get disturbed by military, every section of people are expected to behave in a decent way .No region in the nation except Kashmir has been witnessing this trait in such sustained prolonged periods of time and that too in epic levels.And there are 100s & 100s of regions in India.Naturally when such traits are the characteristic of only one region among thousands of other regions in the nation, there has to be some serious fault with the population as a whole of that region. That being the case, Kashmiris themselves have to blame for such massive level of military presence in their region, no one else.

Even in the last 20 days or so , there has been no such huge military presence in any other region other than Kashmir....why? Because the 'population as a whole' of other regions behave decently in general as is expected of civilized citizens, obeying law and order.

Kashmir is a disputed territory because Kashmiri want to be independent.
 
Kashmir is a disputed territory because Kashmiri want to be independent.

no dispute. It got annexed to India 72 years back based on the laws that existed those days. Just because you and your country men say otherwise for some selfish reasons doesn't change that
even by a bit.
 
no dispute. It got annexed to India 72 years back based on the laws that existed those days. Just because you and your country men say otherwise for some selfish reasons doesn't change that
even by a bit.

UN says it.

And above all, Kashmiri who resides in Kashmir say it, hence 800 k troops needed.
 
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no dispute. It got annexed to India 72 years back based on the laws that existed those days. Just because you and your country men say otherwise for some selfish reasons doesn't change that
even by a bit.


Nothing selfish in about asking and fighting for freedom.

Both of our ancestors once fought for it against the occupiers.
 
Nothing selfish in about asking and fighting for freedom.

Both of our ancestors once fought for it against the occupiers.

I have already given the answer. You can keep on harping the same thing in your defense. I am not going to respond again because there is no point in it other than time wasting.
 
I have already given the answer. You can keep on harping the same thing in your defense. I am not going to respond again because there is no point in it other than time wasting.

I am not trying to defend anything, it is India and Indian who have to defend daily crime against humanity, which you have failed to. I just asked, "why mine and your ancestors aren't terrorist while Kashmiri are", and of course and obviously, you failed to answer it.

Actually you are doing me a favor and I would appreciate if you wouldn't.

You are absolutely correct not to have any discussion with someone who would deny that Kashmir is a disputed territory, which has been recently acknowledged by UN and even if UN were not to then people of Kashmir has demonstrate that it is by having 800k + Indian troops.
 
‘A storm has hit my life': the Kashmiri families torn apart by mass arrests

There was only one knock at the door before police officers entered Tanveer Sheikh’s home. Armed men climbed through the windows and began searching room to room, asking for Tanveer.

“We have young girls at home and they were woken from sleep,” said Maryam, Tanveer’s mother. “I told the policemen, how could they barge in like this? We could have been naked.”

Tanveer, who is 16 or 17 years old, according to the family, was not at home in Srinagar, in Indian-administered Kashmir, at the time, so officers took his uncle Naseer instead. The police did not explain why they wanted to detain Tanveer.

“They said: ‘You hand over Tanveer and we will let Naseer go,’” said Maryam.

Naseer’s son keeps asking for his father, who has been held for 11 days. “He is two years old,” Maryam said. “What will we tell him? He will not even understand what has happened.”

Naseer is among thousands of people reportedly detained by police as part of a major crackdown launched after the Indian government revoked the region’s special status three week’s ago.

Prominent politicians, including former chief ministers, are understood to be among the detained, as well as business owners and lawyers. Most of those arrested are young men.

According to local media reports, some prisoners have been flown out of Kashmir to prisons in Lucknow, Bareilly and Agra. It is possible that people are being held under the Public Safety Act, a controversial law that allows authorities to imprison someone for up to two years without charge or trial.

UN human rights experts said last week they were “deeply concerned’” by the developments. Groups including Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have also expressed alarm.

A communications blackout, which has lasted more than three weeks, has severely hampered work by activists to document potential human rights abuses. The suspension of phone and internet services has also left relatives unable to call one another.

The revocation of special status from the state of Jammu and Kashmir has stripped it of any autonomy, removing its constitution and rules that have prevented outsiders from buying land. Many Kashmiris fear the change will alter the demographic and traditions of the territory, India’s only Muslim-majority state.

Despite heavy security, sporadic protests have continued over the past two weeks. A sympathiser of a banned political group, who asked not to be named, told the Guardian last week the region was a “burning volcano” that would “erupt any time”.

Delhi’s actions have also escalated tensions with Pakistan, which claims Kashmir and has suggested India could carry out ethnic cleansing.

Outside Srinagar’s central jail, families from across Kashmir queued to visit their loved ones. Aamina said her 22-year-old son, Junaid Nabi Wani, was arrested after Friday prayers two weeks ago.

“He was sitting on the roadside with neighbours and relatives when police came and asked for his identity card,” Aamina said. A police officer then placed his arm around Wani’s shoulder and asked him to take a walk. An armoured vehicle was waiting, she said, and he was bundled into it and taken away. It is not known why he was detained.

“His cousin was with him and he came running to us. We rushed outside and tried to resist but the policemen cocked their guns and pointed them at us,” said Aamina. She was assigned the number 56 by prison staff and asked to wait for her chance to enter the jail. She carried a small lunch box with food for her son.

Sarwar left her home in north Kashmir’s Hathlong village at dawn in the hope of visiting her son, Aqib. She said he was detained in a midnight raid eight days ago. She said no reason was provided for his arrest.

“May God’s wrath fall on them! My son was innocent, trust me he has done nothing,” she said. Her neighbour, Fareeda, had also travelled to meet her son, Bilal, who was detained along with Aqib.

Families waited for hours to see their relatives. “He said nothing. He only cried,” Fareeda said afterwards, breaking into tears. On her arm, a stamp read “ostrich” and “crocodile” – a code that is changed daily that allows entry into the jail.

According to estimates collected separately by Associated Press and Agence France-Presse, between 2,300 and 4,000 people have been detained. Officials said recently there had been “a few” detentions, to prevent disorder.

Amnesty International accused the Indian government of “deliberate silencing of voices in the region”.

Naseer’s family say he is being held to ransom until his nephew is handed over. Such arrests are common, according to several families in Srinagar’s old city, traditionally a flashpoint for anti-India protests.

A family in the Gojwara locality said police raided their home at midnight on 8 August and asked for their 25-year-old son.

“He was not at home, so they detained his father. He is 70 years old,” the family said. They asked to remain anonymous because their daughters had not been informed.

“When they [daughters] come, we tell them their father has gone out for a walk. When some time passes, we tell them to leave and go home early,” a family member said. “The police ask us to bring our son and take the father back,” they added.

Amnesty International India has previously documented cases where fathers were asked to bring another son for detention if they wanted their first son to be released. “These detentions are not just unlawful but also lead to harassment and intimidation of the families,” said Mrinal Sharma, a policy adviser for the rights group.

Meenakshi Ganguly, the south Asia director at Human Rights Watch, said detainees must be allowed access to proper legal counsel and families should be told where relatives were being held. “International law prohibits indefinite detentions and all those in custody should be swiftly released or charged,” she said.

Aamina said she was scared to be at home and had barely slept since her son was taken. “I promise if he is released I will leave this place. I will beg but I will go somewhere where no one knows us,” she said.

Her husband died last year and her other son has spent two years in prison. “I am all alone now,” she said. “A storm has hit my life.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...milies-torn-apart-mass-arrests-continue-india
 
In today's world and the largest democracy in the world there exists a law called Public Safety Act, a controversial law that allows authorities to imprison someone for up to two years without charge or trial.

India needs introspection these atrocities might have long term negative impacts on their country.
 
In today's world and the largest democracy in the world there exists a law called Public Safety Act, a controversial law that allows authorities to imprison someone for up to two years without charge or trial.

India needs introspection these atrocities might have long term negative impacts on their country.

There are such laws in US UK etc also.

Read Patriot act

UK terrorism act 2000 sec 8

Etc etc.
 
There are such laws in US UK etc also.

Read Patriot act

UK terrorism act 2000 sec 8

Etc etc.

You are kidding me right.

Section 41 of UK Terrorism Act allows detention for 2 days. Indian law for Public Safety Act allows detention without proof for 2 years!!!

You really think they are kind of same?
 
There are such laws in US UK etc also.

Read Patriot act

UK terrorism act 2000 sec 8

Etc etc.

You appear to be intelligent person i dont know whether its pure hatred or just deliberate propaganda on your behalf.

I would never defend locking up children and also picking them up in the night.

These actions have been used by israel in palestines designed to humiliate and deter children.

India will not get away with this, if you dont say anything against this now dont say this in future of others who do the same to your childrens. India has become a sick democracy..
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So much troubling news has emerged from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a> this month, and especially all the large-scale detentions. Thousands have been detained-including children. <br>“There is an atmosphere of fear in every house,” says a woman whose 13-year-old son was detained. <a href="https://t.co/qi6WRHUaw6">https://t.co/qi6WRHUaw6</a></p>— Michael Kugelman (@MichaelKugelman) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelKugelman/status/1167413361497268229?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 30, 2019</a></blockquote>
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