Australia, England, India and another team will feature in an ODI Super Series beginning in 2021

[Babbar]

NZC has made a loss for the last 3 years lol and here these 3 are trying to get a bigger piece of the pie not realizing that hamstringing every other nation is going to led to an unbalance and greater divide between those 3 and everyone else.

That divide is only going to make more one sided games and less people watching the sport. They're too short sighted to see it.

Fact#1: There’s no common pie of which the 3 countries take bigger piece. Every country has their own pie. ICC should just get a small donation from each country to manage events and popularise cricket. In fact, despite looting 100s of millions of dollars, ICC has been able to do zilch. Forget promoting cricket in new regions, ICC even made cricket near-dead in England, SA & WI.

On the other hand, India grew cricket in own country and also made its neighbours, BD, Afg and Now Nepal, cricket-crazy. ICC should just be a 10-people old men club hidden in the dusty bylanes of Boribunder Road, Mumbai with no executive power.

In football, India or Pak football boards do not get the same budget as Italy, Spain, England or Germany. Every country generates own funds and then attracts talent from world over depending on their purchasing power.

It’s totally artificial and unjust that a dictatorial ICC decides that Kenya, Pak and Zimbabve deserve to get similar amount as India gets from the funds mostly generated by India herself.

 

[Manunited18]

Despite all that we still reached the final four and when we have a series of the top 4 teams , these are the 4 best currently. Better than teams that choked in their very first match against borderline minnows within a total of 40 overs.

WINNERS ARE ONLY REMEMBERED, the highlight for me watching cricket: CHAMPIONS TROPHY FINAL 2017, best bit when Indian fans couldn't find it in them selves to applaud the destruction, LOL

 

[Nikhil_cric]

WINNERS ARE ONLY REMEMBERED, the highlight for me watching cricket: CHAMPIONS TROPHY FINAL 2017, best bit when Indian fans couldn't find it in them selves to applaud the destruction, LOL

I'm sure that it is all very relevant in your mind considering that, as a Pakistan fan, you have precious little to celebrate about but it's not really relevant here when we are talking about the best 4 teams competing and the final four of the World Cup , who are also the top 4 in the ODI rankings, are the best right now. Pakistan winning some meaningless tournament 2.5 years ago has nothing to do with this series

 

[cricketjoshila]

They can't stop 3 teams playing together but ICC approval is needed if 4 teams are playing. But I am sure ICC will try its best to stop this series one way or another as it will be huge face/financial loss for them.

If big 3 come together and play, even without a fourth team, ICC will still be put in its place.

 

[barah_admi]

If India is the host I don't think you will be playing even if you rank number 1. BTW I don't see you break into top 4-5 in the forseable future but that's just my prediction.

India,Aus and Eng are th richest and most high profile teams in the cricket world, this isn't changing anytime soon even if they slip down in ranking. If they want to play each other, they will. It is more to do with status than ranking I feel.

Currently on merit NZ deserves to play more than any team.

You are free to organize a rival tournament if you want to, with SL, BD and Windies or any team you see fit.

You're the one who brought up merit, so I questioned you regarding that. You have now jumped ship from merit to which country is richest in the sport? If we're going off of money, the big three isn't really the big three anymore and as the current financial model dictates, the PCB is due to receive the same amount (From ICC events) as CA, CSA and SLC.

The times are changing and the arrogance you show now will come back to haunt you, your fast breaking nation and cricket pretty soon.

 

[cricketjoshila]

WINNERS ARE ONLY REMEMBERED, the highlight for me watching cricket: CHAMPIONS TROPHY FINAL 2017, best bit when Indian fans couldn't find it in them selves to applaud the destruction, LOL

This is 2019. Latest is that pakistan got knocked out of the WC 19 in group stages.

Now CT 17 winner can organise its own tournament, No? Why do you want pakistan in a tournament organised in India?

 

[Manunited18]

I'm sure that it is all very relevant in your mind considering that, as a Pakistan fan, you have precious little to celebrate about but it's not really relevant here when we are talking about the best 4 teams competing and the final four of the World Cup , who are also the top 4 in the ODI rankings, are the best right now. Pakistan winning some meaningless tournament 2.5 years ago has nothing to do with this series

First thing first, I'm a British Asian, and when it comes to pakistan playing India and other nations bar England then I follow pakistan, I'm a England fan and a member at lancashire county cricket club, obviously you got a losers mentality when your celebrating a semi final birth, like i said only winners are remembered, and lol to icc champions trophy as a meaningless trophy

 

[Manunited18]

This is 2019. Latest is that pakistan got knocked out of the WC 19 in group stages.

Now CT 17 winner can organise its own tournament, No? Why do you want pakistan in a tournament organised in India?

And India got knocked out in semis, your point....
Secondly I'm suggesting a better alternative, CLASH OF TGE CHAMPIONS, England, Windies, pakistan and another

 

[Hitman]

And India got knocked out in semis, your point....
Secondly I'm suggesting a better alternative, CLASH OF TGE CHAMPIONS, England, Windies, pakistan and another

Yea, too bad the ECB can't see that.

 

[Mesozoic]

And India got knocked out in semis, your point....
Secondly I'm suggesting a better alternative, CLASH OF TGE CHAMPIONS, England, Windies, pakistan and another

Agree. But it should also have another champion team....Afghanistan. They won the ICC world cup qualifiers in 2018.

Will be thrilling to watch Eng vs Afg, Eng vs Pak etc. Top tier Cricket.

 

[King_Kohli]

2019

Most Wins
Ind - 35
Aus - 31
Eng, NZ - 24

Most Lost
WI - 28
Pak - 27
SL - 26

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

"Bore their pants off", CLASH OF THE CHAMPIONS sounds more appealing

Champions League T20 sounded appealing too but we all know how that worked out.

It's all about which teams are the biggest draws.

 

[Manunited18]

2019

Most Wins
Ind - 35
Aus - 31
Eng, NZ - 24

Most Lost
WI - 28
Pak - 27
SL - 26

Irrelevant, when it comes to winning trophys then I'm sorry India holds none of the icc trophys, well if bilateral series are high on your agenda then congrats my friend

 

[Manunited18]

Champions League T20 sounded appealing too but we all know how that worked out.

It's all about which teams are the biggest draws.

Unfortunately it's all about money

 

[Manunited18]

Agree. But it should also have another champion team....Afghanistan. They won the ICC world cup qualifiers in 2018.

Will be thrilling to watch Eng vs Afg, Eng vs Pak etc. Top tier Cricket.

Stop twisting please, let's face it India hold none of the icc trophys

 

[aloo paratha]

South Africa’s young players are better than Pakistani young players. They are struggling right now but they will remain better than Pakistan in the foreseeable future.

South Africa had a worse World Cup than Pakistan but they are not a worse team. They would still beat Pakistan in a series home and away.

You can call Pakistan a big tournament team (they are not), but this is a quadruple series comprising of the four best ODI teams in the world. Pakistan isn’t one of them.



Pakistan’s T20 ranking was fake because it was built on beating weakened sides and they didn’t face India who would have been beaten them to a pulp. You can’t call yourself number 1 in any format unless you play a series against every quality side.



Test rankings still matter.

The two teams that are ranked #1 and #2 at the end of the league stage will play the WTC Final.

So no Pakistani style drama of being a mid-table side and then fluking the WTC Final by playing like cornered tigers. The WTC rewards consistency which is reflected in the rankings.

India will definitely play in the WTC Final and even if they don’t win the final, people will still remember their phenomenal reign as the number 1 Test team since 2016.

They have firmly established themselves as the best Asian Test side of all time and their legacy does not depend on one final.

That is the Pakistani way of thinking because we are not good enough to be consistent. For instance, had England not won the World Cup last summer, they would still have been the best ODI team in the world and not New Zealand.

The rankings seem meaningless in ODIs only because of ICC’s incompetence. Teams should be rewarded for their consistency.

They are are two ways of doing it: the World Cup format group stage should reflect the rankings. Top ranked sides should be paired with the low ranked sides.

That is how it works in tennis. The top ranked players do not face each other in the early stages of the tournament because neither of them deserve to be eliminated early.

Alternatively, if two teams are tied on points, they should not be differentiated on NRR or H2H during the World Cup - the higher ranked team should be one to go through.

This would reward consistency and give teams incentive to work hard for their rankings and add more meaning to bilateral matches.

If Pakistan wants to become a big team again, it must strive to achieve a top 3 rankings in Tests and ODIs like other top sides.

It is not as if we are a tournament team - we are below average in 9/10 tournaments that we play simply because we are a poor side. Our 2019 World Cup was mediocre as well, and anyone who thinks otherwise has accepted that we are a minnow side.

We need to learn to respect rankings in Tests and ODIs and not disregard them. Yes we are not good enough but we will never be with this pathetic attitude.

This post is filled with the words would and will, so you're just saying what you want to be true.

Make up your mind, do rankings matter or not? Stop juggling an in-between because it suits your agenda.

It's not the teams ranked #1 and #2 in the rankings that will play the final, it's those who come #1 and #2 in the points table. But that's besides the point. I am saying that rankings don't matter if you don't perform at the world tournaments. Do you remember who was #1 in ODIs in 1996? in 1999? 2007? Any other World Cup year? I doubt it, but you do remember who won those tournaments.

 

[jnaveen1980]

It doesn't have to be merit based. Lot of tournaments that happened in the 80s were not exactly "merit based". They just chose 4 teams that were available. From a commercial perspective India vs Pakistan is always going to be a box office match. England vs Australia rivalry ends in test. They are no great rivals in the One dayers like India/Pakistan. One team that i don't want to be there is Sri lanka. Don't care about who else plays.

 

[MenInG]

Centurion - Proteas captain Faf du Plessis believes cricket needs more, not fewer, elite nations following his side's 107-run win in the first Test against England on Sunday.

Speaking after South Africa's win in Centurion, Du Plessis was asked his opinion about plans for an annual 'Super Series' of one-day games, involving the so-called 'Big Three' of India, Australia and England, with one other country to be invited on a revolving basis.

"The last year or so you can see what's going on in terms of the big three countries," he said.

"There's a lot of movement going towards that, a lot more matches being played against the top three, or big three. It's probably better if you include more teams, the better to grow the game as much as you can."

Du Plessis pointed out that there was inequality of fixtures, especially in Test cricket, with new Test nations such as Ireland and Afghanistan struggling to get fixtures.

"There's a lot of smaller nations not playing a lot of Test cricket, they're actually playing less," he said

https://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/EnglandinSA/proteas-skipper-criticises-big-three-move-20191230

 

[Babbar]

Stop twisting please, let's face it India hold none of the icc trophys

Ok let’s put this to bed.

ICC U-19 World cup and Asia cup are still with India. Both won with some authority, whitewashing everyone on the way!

And in both ODI and T20 WC. India was semi finalist, lost after dominating round robin phase. Fair enough India lost.

What does Pak have except a now dead tournament. Pakistan will now have a claim on always holding CT even in 2050. Even In CT India reaches in final in similar dominating way but Pak can now keep that CT flag as no one will even be able to take this away!

What did Pak achieve in the last ODI, T20, Asia Cup and U-19. Did it reach as semi (except U-19 2018 I guess) in any tournament. Even BD reached the finals of Asia cup, a much better performance than Pak.

Let’s not even count the ongoing WTC performance.

Let’s be humble now and invite BCB in Pak for some T20 fun!

 

[Babbar]

And of course, something that Pak fans never bring up in any sports. India is also the current runners up in ICC women world cup. Not sure if Pak women team exists or not.

So India is a semi finalist or better in every latest tournament played in any format.

 

[Manunited18]

and of course, something that pak fans never bring up in any sports. India is also the current runners up in icc women world cup. Not sure if pak women team exists or not.

So india is a semi finalist or better in every latest tournament played in any format.

only winners are remembered

 

[Nikhil_cric]

First thing first, I'm a British Asian, and when it comes to pakistan playing India and other nations bar England then I follow pakistan, I'm a England fan and a member at lancashire county cricket club, obviously you got a losers mentality when your celebrating a semi final birth, like i said only winners are remembered, and lol to icc champions trophy as a meaningless trophy

CT in general was considered a meaningless trophy even here on PP until Pakistan managed to finally win it. Again, if the argument is to have a 4 nation tournament why does Pakistan deserve to be there on merit?

 

[jnaveen1980]

I would want non SENA country to be 4th. So Pak or Windies. Don't care for Srilanka. We are tired of playing them again and again.

 

[Manunited18]

CT in general was considered a meaningless trophy even here on PP until Pakistan managed to finally win it. Again, if the argument is to have a 4 nation tournament why does Pakistan deserve to be there on merit?

Champions trophy meaningless since when, pakistan are the holders of a icc trophy so that in itself justifies their selection in a 4 team tournament, what has India recently won barring bilateral series? Looool

 

[Manunited18]

I would want non SENA country to be 4th. So Pak or Windies. Don't care for Srilanka. We are tired of playing them again and again.

Lol

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Champions trophy meaningless since when, pakistan are the holders of a icc trophy so that in itself justifies their selection in a 4 team tournament, what has India recently won barring bilateral series? Looool

Pakistan winning CT in 2017 has no relevance for a series in 2021.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Having a tournament between these three with a fourth would be good viewing.

Frankly, any cricket tournament is fun and worthwhile. I would like to see other nations doing the same.

 

[Mamoon]

This post is filled with the words would and will, so you're just saying what you want to be true.

Make up your mind, do rankings matter or not? Stop juggling an in-between because it suits your agenda.

It's not the teams ranked #1 and #2 in the rankings that will play the final, it's those who come #1 and #2 in the points table. But that's besides the point. I am saying that rankings don't matter if you don't perform at the world tournaments. Do you remember who was #1 in ODIs in 1996? in 1999? 2007? Any other World Cup year? I doubt it, but you do remember who won those tournaments.

Oh bhai.

The WTC will played over a period of two years and it is designed to reflect consistency. You can hope against hope that a 7th ranked team like Pakistan will activate its cornered tigers mode and accumulate enough points to quality for the final, but it will not work that way.

When play a tournament over a period of two years, the points table will ultimately reflect the rankings table because both the points and the rankings will reflect the consistency of teams.

That is why at the end of the WTC, the top 5 teams will still be the ones who are ranked in the top 5 today: India, New Zealand, England, Australia and South Africa. They are the 5 best Test teams in the world.

Pakistan is not good enough to finish in the top 5 let alone finish in the top 2 and qualify for the final.

The problem is that Pakistani fans do not understand what rankings mean or show because they happened two fluke 2 tournaments in 48 years of ODI cricket.

Rankings reflect consistency and when you are a high ranked team, it shows that you win more matches than you lose. This means that you have a greater chance of winning the World Cup.

If Pakistan becomes good enough to consistently sustain a top 3 rankings in ODIs, it will maximize its chances of winning another World Cup. Our fans have to change their rotten mentality of discarding rankings as if they are useless. They are not. They reflect the quality of the team.

We must take rankings seriously in both Tests and ODIs if want to become a top team again.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And India got knocked out in semis, your point....
Secondly I'm suggesting a better alternative, CLASH OF TGE CHAMPIONS, England, Windies, pakistan and another

Please send your suggestion to PCB.

 

[Hasan123]

People who actually think we are a top team are delusional. If you want Pakistan cricket to change you have to start by admitting we are not good enough right now. I have no doubt that if our fans think we a top team that PCB think the same hence we are not seeing the changes we need to be challenging India and Australia.

I want to be a top team who is competing at the top of the rankings and competing in all conditions, winning all home series.

Sick of this cornered tigers and unpredictable nonsense.

 

[aloo paratha]

Oh bhai.

The WTC will played over a period of two years and it is designed to reflect consistency. You can hope against hope that a 7th ranked team like Pakistan will activate its cornered tigers mode and accumulate enough points to quality for the final, but it will not work that way.

When play a tournament over a period of two years, the points table will ultimately reflect the rankings table because both the points and the rankings will reflect the consistency of teams.

That is why at the end of the WTC, the top 5 teams will still be the ones who are ranked in the top 5 today: India, New Zealand, England, Australia and South Africa. They are the 5 best Test teams in the world.

Pakistan is not good enough to finish in the top 5 let alone finish in the top 2 and qualify for the final.

The problem is that Pakistani fans do not understand what rankings mean or show because they happened two fluke 2 tournaments in 48 years of ODI cricket.

Rankings reflect consistency and when you are a high ranked team, it shows that you win more matches than you lose. This means that you have a greater chance of winning the World Cup.

If Pakistan becomes good enough to consistently sustain a top 3 rankings in ODIs, it will maximize its chances of winning another World Cup. Our fans have to change their rotten mentality of discarding rankings as if they are useless. They are not. They reflect the quality of the team.

We must take rankings seriously in both Tests and ODIs if want to become a top team again.

Bro, for the last time, rankings take into account performances from the last 4 years. Rankings give an indication of where the team is at right now, only an indication.

Australia is ranked 5th right now because the played poorly while Smith and Warner were gone, but the recent results show that they are better than England and South Africa, and probably even NZ, which would put them at #2. The point is, recent results, especially those in World tournaments are worth a lot more than the ranking.

I know you know this deep down inside, but you have to keep trolling.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

I still don't get the point of this thread, India is not stopping any other countries, so why Pak is not organising series with other countries like New Zealand and Srilanka a trip series.
Really India should not play this country or that country, what the hell.
Friends go ask you country to play series with other why have a problem with India playing others.

 

[RyanRyan10]

You're the one who brought up merit, so I questioned you regarding that. You have now jumped ship from merit to which country is richest in the sport? If we're going off of money, the big three isn't really the big three anymore and as the current financial model dictates, the PCB is due to receive the same amount (From ICC events) as CA, CSA and SLC.

The times are changing and the arrogance you show now will come back to haunt you, your fast breaking nation and cricket pretty soon.

You're the one who brought up merit, so I questioned you regarding that. You have now jumped ship from merit to which country is richest in the sport? If we're going off of money, the big three isn't really the big three anymore and as the current financial model dictates, the PCB is due to receive the same amount (From ICC events) as CA, CSA and SLC.

The times are changing and the arrogance you show now will come back to haunt you, your fast breaking nation and cricket pretty soon.

Yeah,times are changing. Still remember you were feeling proud over Pakistan's "fight" against Australia where they lost by an innings. The Odi series which you "bossed" against SA earlier this year was apparently lost.

Pakistan had a 14 match winless streak in odis,lost 1 out of 10 games in T20IS and could win only one test this year.Even the sane Pakistan fans understand that their team is a borderline minnow.

Whatever you are wishing for our Cricket is unfortunately happening to yours.

 

[Mamoon]

Bro, for the last time, rankings take into account performances from the last 4 years. Rankings give an indication of where the team is at right now, only an indication.

Australia is ranked 5th right now because the played poorly while Smith and Warner were gone, but the recent results show that they are better than England and South Africa, and probably even NZ, which would put them at #2. The point is, recent results, especially those in World tournaments are worth a lot more than the ranking.

I know you know this deep down inside, but you have to keep trolling.

Rankings give more than just an indication. Rankings are extracted from your performances. If you win more than you lose, you will have a high ranking. If you lose more than you win, you will have a low ranking.

Take look at the World Cup last summer. 3 of the top 4 sides were in the semifinals and the top ranked side ended up lifting the trophy. Was it a coincidence? Of course not, because over a period of 9 gamers, the top ranked sides eventually showed their quality.

Pakistani fans whine over how they got unlucky, but the fact is that their campaign pretty much ended when they allowed West Indies to nuke their NRR in the opening game. The top ranked sides did not capitulate in that fashion because they were better than Pakistan.

Rankings can be misleading at times but rarely. If you say that Australia are the second best Test side when they are at their full-strength, then that is going to be reflected in the rankings after 12 months or so.

We have this nonchalant attitude towards rankings because our team is rubbish. We know that we do not have the talent or the skill to win more Tests and ODIs than we lose, so we pretend that rankings mean nothing and then we start praying in tournaments and big series.

It is not possible to be a quality side when you consistently languish at 6th or 7th in the rankings table.

What we don’t realize is that if we become good enough to be a top 3 ranked side in both Tests and ODIs, it will maximize our chances of winning the WTC as well as winning the World Cup.

 

[barah_admi]

Yeah,times are changing. Still remember you were feeling proud over Pakistan's "fight" against Australia where they lost by an innings. The Odi series which you "bossed" against SA earlier this year was apparently lost.

Pakistan had a 14 match winless streak in odis,lost 1 out of 10 games in T20IS and could win only one test this year.Even the sane Pakistan fans understand that their team is a borderline minnow.

Whatever you are wishing for our Cricket is unfortunately happening to yours.

That is all good, but what has any of that got to do with this thread? If you are so sensitive I can fedex you a box of kleenex?

 

[RyanRyan10]

That is all good, but what has any of that got to do with this thread? If you are so sensitive I can fedex you a box of kleenex?

Seems you are hurt after being reminded of your team's performance this year that's why you resorted to personal attack. Anyways you don't need to be concerned about me being sensitive or not.

And everything i posted is related to the discussion on this thread. Pakistan isn't a top team,their W/L record in recent times is comparable to SL,WI,BD etc so they should start a tournament of their own with these teams instead of hoping of getting an invitation in a competition which is only for elite level teams.

 

[Manunited18]

Seems you are hurt after being reminded of your team's performance this year that's why you resorted to personal attack. Anyways you don't need to be concerned about me being sensitive or not.

And everything i posted is related to the discussion on this thread. Pakistan isn't a top team,their W/L record in recent times is comparable to SL,WI,BD etc so they should start a tournament of their own with these teams instead of hoping of getting an invitation in a competition which is only for elite level teams.

Bar 2011 world cup India haven't won any other icc tournament just like pakistan lol, so this elite crap is abit over the top, what I will agree with is bcci, ecb, acb have Hugh financial power and that's what influences slot of things

 

[jnaveen1980]

I see lot of theories flying around which should technically take no.4 spot. I ran a stat on which team has done well against OZ/England/India in the last 2 years among the rest. Pakistan has won just 1 match in the last 2 years against these teams. I don't say they should use this to discard Pakistan. Infact i would rather prefer WI and Pak. But let us get some perspective.

 

[Mesozoic]

Bar 2011 world cup India haven't won any other icc tournament just like pakistan lol, so this elite crap is abit over the top, what I will agree with is bcci, ecb, acb have Hugh financial power and that's what influences slot of things

India won the world cup , champions trophy and held the No.1 test ranking for most of the decade.

Pakistan has nothing except the CT.

You see that's the difference between elite and non-elite level teams.

 

[Titan24]

India won the world cup , champions trophy and held the No.1 test ranking for most of the decade.

Pakistan has nothing except the CT.

You see that's the difference between elite and non-elite level teams.

Incorrect. Pak won CT 17 and also, held no 1 test ranked (Irrespective of for how many days). Was unbeaten at so called home UAE in tests for around 7-8 years. Which other non elite team has achieved that in any of the decade in history of cricket? Not to forget the obstacles with no cricket at actual home and loosing three elite players at the start of the decade.

 

[Manunited18]

India won the world cup , champions trophy and held the No.1 test ranking for most of the decade.

Pakistan has nothing except the CT.

You see that's the difference between elite and non-elite level teams.

Pakistan also held the number 1 test rankings in this decade

 

[Mesozoic]

Incorrect. Pak won CT 17 and also, held no 1 test ranked (Irrespective of for how many days). Was unbeaten at so called home UAE in tests for around 7-8 years. Which other non elite team has achieved that in any of the decade in history of cricket? Not to forget the obstacles with no cricket at actual home and loosing three elite players at the start of the decade.

Pakistan held that no.1 ranking for like a month (?) on the back of our washouts in West Indies. And the fact that they plummeted down to no.7 in less than a year tells us how we should take that brief spell with a pinch of salt.

And that unbeaten record in UAE is clearly overstated here when you see that Pakistan failed to win a 4/5 series' there with a bunch of 1-1 draws and even a few innings defeats. That's hardly called domination.

 

[Titan24]

Pakistan held that no.1 ranking for like a month (?) on the back of our washouts in West Indies. And the fact that they plummeted down to no.7 in less than a year tells us how we should take that brief spell with a pinch of salt.

And that unbeaten record in UAE is clearly overstated here when you see that Pakistan failed to win a 4/5 series' there with a bunch of 1-1 draws and even a few innings defeats. That's hardly called domination.

Excuses and reasons can be multiple. Pak held no 1 test ranking and was unbeaten at home (UAE) for most part of the decade; these are the facts irrespective of what were the reasons. Not to forget Pak has also held no 1 ranking in T20 format for sometime along with record consecutive series wins.

Why is that Pak was able to achieve such feats even during their poor decade while no other non elite team of any decade achieved anything close to this?

Pak is not the so called elite team at the moment but definitely not as poor as many try to prove.

 

[barah_admi]

Seems you are hurt after being reminded of your team's performance this year that's why you resorted to personal attack. Anyways you don't need to be concerned about me being sensitive or not.

And everything i posted is related to the discussion on this thread. Pakistan isn't a top team,their W/L record in recent times is comparable to SL,WI,BD etc so they should start a tournament of their own with these teams instead of hoping of getting an invitation in a competition which is only for elite level teams.

Did my mention of the PCB bringing an end to the big three debacle in 2017, earning as much as your close allies CA until 2023 and probably earning more in the next cycle, really get to you? I just realised you are not even the guy I was engaged in this discussion with, yet you felt the need to jump into the post and have now begun a path to ridicule.

So lets do this then Mr Modi - The person whose posts you hijacked claimed that NZ is the 4th team and should be part of this mini series "on merit", his exact term. If it is based on merit, NZ, who already rank higher than Australia, should already be in the quadrangular, not Aus...but that is not the way it is. I then stated what happens if Pakistan rank 4th one day, does "merit" still hold weight or not?

 

[Manunited18]

Pakistan held that no.1 ranking for like a month (?) on the back of our washouts in West Indies. And the fact that they plummeted down to no.7 in less than a year tells us how we should take that brief spell with a pinch of salt.

And that unbeaten record in UAE is clearly overstated here when you see that Pakistan failed to win a 4/5 series' there with a bunch of 1-1 draws and even a few innings defeats. That's hardly called domination.

But it's good enough to be recognised as elite level performances, you can't not pick, if tgatscthe case India in 2018 got beat bay south Africa and thrashed by England as the top rank team

 

[Mesozoic]

Excuses and reasons can be multiple. Pak held no 1 test ranking and was unbeaten at home (UAE) for most part of the decade; these are the facts irrespective of what were the reasons. Not to forget Pak has also held no 1 ranking in T20 format for sometime along with record consecutive series wins.

Why is that Pak was able to achieve such feats even during their poor decade while no other non elite team of any decade achieved anything close to this?

Pak is not the so called elite team at the moment but definitely not as poor as many try to prove.

Well I never said they were "poor". Infact they're the best team among the non-elites.

And most likely in the near future, with int'l Cricket fully returning and the emergence of quality young players , they will join the elite club overthrowing New Zealand.

 

[Mesozoic]

But it's good enough to be recognised as elite level performances, you can't not pick, if tgatscthe case India in 2018 got beat bay south Africa and thrashed by England as the top rank team

Not good enough I'm afraid.

Elite teams do not lose multiple home tests by innings margin. New Zealand has performed much better this decade and deserves to be called an elite team.

 

[Manunited18]

Not good enough I'm afraid.

Elite teams do not lose multiple home tests by innings margin. New Zealand has performed much better this decade and deserves to be called an elite team.

Well if that makes you sleep better then carry on the delusional claimes

 

[jnaveen1980]

Settle down guys. It is not like we have about 20 to 25 teams that are decent. Barely 6 or 7 teams that are decent. They all can on a good day beat each other.

 

[Mesozoic]

Well if that makes you sleep better then carry on the delusional claimes

Yeah sure.

 

[Titan24]

Well I never said they were "poor". Infact they're the best team among the non-elites.

And most likely in the near future, with int'l Cricket fully returning and the emergence of quality young players , they will join the elite club overthrowing New Zealand.

Fair enough.

 

[MenInG]

Days after taking over as the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) President, Sourav Ganguly had announced that the BCCI is looking at a 4-nation series every year that would involve India, England, Australia and another top nation. The BCCI officials also had meetings with their counterparts in the English and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) and Cricket Australia (CA). But looks like Ganguly will have to wait before getting the ECB and CA’s thumbs up.

Speaking to IANS, BCCI sources in the know of developments said that the Indian board is yet to get the complete go-ahead from Cricket Australia as well as the English board with regards to the 4-nation tournament that it wishes to start from 2021.

“We are looking at the 4-nation series and our officials have also had a word with the ECB officials in December as well as the Cricket Australia officials when they were here in January. But, there are certain reservations and issues that need sorting before we can go ahead and enter the next stage of planning. We may need to wait a little,” the source revealed.

The ECB after the December meeting had issue a statement which said: “We meet regularly with other leaders from the major cricketing nations to share learnings and discuss topics that impact our sport. A four-nation tournament was raised at a meeting with the BCCI in December and we are open to discussions with other ICC members to see if this concept can develop.”

Cricket Australia chief executive Kevin Roberts had also sounded optimistic and even spoke about how Ganguly has looked to be innovative with his planning.

“I think it’s an example of the innovative thinking coming out of the BCCI with Sourav Ganguly as president,” Roberts had said.

“In his very short time, only a couple of months, we have already seen India commit to and host a day-night Test in Kolkata, so a brilliant result there and now a suggestion around the Super Series, another potential innovation.”

But Australia coach Justin Langer had made it clear that the hectic scheduling could be a concern if a new concept is added to the calendar from 2021. “It is. We all understand the schedule in world cricket is really tight, so I am sure there will be lots of negotiation and there are people, that’s their role to negotiate and get that right. But we all know it is a tight schedule,” Langer was quoted as saying in the Australia media.

The proposed event will also need the approval of the ICC as it involves more than three teams and is currently not part of the international body’s FTP. The ICC is keen on organising one flagship tournament every year during next eight-year FTP cycle (2023-2031), but the BCCI is not on the same page with the international body.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...-tournament/story-kjjMgg0aPyuM2tjXgWhL1L.html

 

[the Great Khan]

The whole idea smacks of hubris. Something that India has become known for over the last decade.

Somebody above was beating their 53 inch chest about India contributing to the spread of the game. I would counter that and say no country has done more to advance the cause of new nations than Pakistan. One just has to read Peter obornes recent tome on the history of Pakistan cricket to understand that.

It is not a secret that the BCCI has been instructed be it willingly or unwillingly to take part in the cultural boycott of Pakistan after 2008.

This new proposal is to further perpetuate it's prejudicial world view be it through sport or other cultural activities.

The biggest problem with this proposal is the fact that the BCCI now wants to further dictate the cricket calendar. Thus deface trying to force a division between those it deems worthy and those it does not. Sport and cultural activities tend to eventually reflect the countries that set them up. It says a lot about the Indian mindset that they want to further segregate cricket.

 

[Revolution]

Hope Star Sports get this telecast rights.

Viewership should match IPL Or even more.

 

[MP2011]

Hope Star Sports get this telecast rights.

Viewership should match IPL Or even more.

Yeah!

Eagerly waiting for this series to happen....

 

[cricketjoshila]

The whole idea smacks of hubris. Something that India has become known for over the last decade.

Somebody above was beating their 53 inch chest about India contributing to the spread of the game. I would counter that and say no country has done more to advance the cause of new nations than Pakistan. One just has to read Peter obornes recent tome on the history of Pakistan cricket to understand that.

It is not a secret that the BCCI has been instructed be it willingly or unwillingly to take part in the cultural boycott of Pakistan after 2008.

This new proposal is to further perpetuate it's prejudicial world view be it through sport or other cultural activities.

The biggest problem with this proposal is the fact that the BCCI now wants to further dictate the cricket calendar. Thus deface trying to force a division between those it deems worthy and those it does not. Sport and cultural activities tend to eventually reflect the countries that set them up. It says a lot about the Indian mindset that they want to further segregate cricket.

Read up who Zim and BD gave credit for their test status. Which board helped SA get back into cricket.

Which country is hosting all matches of Afghanistan?

Its Bcci which helped these countries.

India and Pakistan are not friendly countries. So there is no logic in Bcci asking PCB to join any of BCCIs initiatives. PCB is free to start its own.

PCB tried to sabotage the IPL in 2009, get the WC shifted out of India in 2011 and recently raised questions on Indias safety. So what do they expect in return?

Any board or boards are free to arrange matches between them. Bcci CA and ECB can do it too. Triangular or Quadrangular tournaments are not a new thing. Pakistanis didn't have any issues with them when they were hosted in UAE.

Rather than pointing fingers, PCB should be asked why they didn't think of any such initiatives. Heck cricket literally died in UAE once India refused to go the Sharjah tournaments. Why couldn't PCB keep those Sharjah cups alive?

The incompetence of PCB is PCBs problem,not anyone else's. Bcci doesnt owe them anything.

 

[BlueBeamer]

Wonderful news. Hope this series comes to fruition and the public gets to watch some quality cricket.

 

[Hitman]

I'd love for Pakistan to be the fourth team. But chances of that happening are just as much as Ian Chappell making a comeback to cricket.

 

[liam26]

Would be a nice tournament. Hope the fourth team is NZ, any other team would lower the quality of the tournament.

 

[Revolution]

I'd love for Pakistan to be the fourth team. But chances of that happening are just as much as Ian Chappell making a comeback to cricket.

All Pakistan matches will be one sided which will lose the interest with people.

Big 4 will have high stake in money too. I strongly feel all matches will be thrillers.

 

[K4Kohli]

Why should all these nations get a free pass without considering their current form. It should be between the top 3 or 4 ranked nations every year at a cutoff date

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why should all these nations get a free pass without considering their current form. It should be between the top 3 or 4 ranked nations every year at a cutoff date

Because these nations are organising this tournament to play amongst themselves.

 

[Ronaldo7]

All Pakistan matches will be one sided which will lose the interest with people.

Big 4 will have high stake in money too. I strongly feel all matches will be thrillers.

I doubt playing against NZ is any better than playing against PAK.
Pak beat NZ in the WC don't forget that.

Also, Pak seems to be a pretty good ODI team now.

 

[Hitman]

I doubt playing against NZ is any better than playing against PAK.
Pak beat NZ in the WC don't forget that.

Also, Pak seems to be a pretty good ODI team now.

New Zealand blanked you 5-0 prior to that, don’t forget that.

 

[Ronaldo7]

New Zealand blanked you 5-0 prior to that, don’t forget that.

In 2018.
We’re in 2020 mate. Move on. I gave an example from a few months ago and you’re giving me one from 2 years ago
A lot of the players from that team ain’t playing anymore for us.

 

[JaDed]

In 2018.
We’re in 2020 mate. Move on. I gave an example from a few months ago and you’re giving me one from 2 years ago
A lot of the players from that team ain’t playing anymore for us.

So move on from 2018?

 

[Hitman]

In 2018.
We’re in 2020 mate. Move on. I gave an example from a few months ago and you’re giving me one from 2 years ago
A lot of the players from that team ain’t playing anymore for us.

You guys have an excuse for everything.

 

[Mesozoic]

Pak beat NZ in the WC don't forget that.

Pak beat Eng too in the world cup. Now don't say they're better than England.

 

[Abdullah719]

BCCI ends hibernation, ICC braces for sleepless nights over scheduling

NEW DELHI: Sourav Ganguly has roused India’s mighty cricket board from a three-year slumber and its push for an exclusive new tournament to be included on the international calendar is set to give the game’s governing body and other stakeholders sleepless nights.

The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI), which has been revitalised under Ganguly’s leadership, says it generates 75% of the game’s total revenue and wants commensurate clout when it comes to deciding how it is run.

One demand is for a tournament involving the ‘Big Three’ of India, Australia and England plus another country to be slotted into an already bursting schedule, putting it on course for a clash with the International Cricket Council, which has enjoyed a period of calm in recent years at its Dubai headquarters.

India’s ‘Super Series’ proposal is a concern to many in the game, including the executive chairman of the Federation of International Cricketers’ Associations (FICA), Tony Irish.

“We want what is best for the global game,” the global players’ union chief said.

“Ultimately what is best for the global game will also be best for each individual country, even for the ‘Big Three’.

“FICA won’t be supporting proposals around scheduling, governance, or economic models which only benefit a few of the wealthier countries to the future detriment of the entire game.”

FICA is also concerned that the ICC is pressing ahead with plans for a new international tournament of its own in the 2023-31 cycle without consulting the players.

While some question why the ICC wants to add a new event to a calendar featuring a growing number of Twenty20 tournaments, the ICC is keen to introduce a new Champions Trophy-style tournament to improve its finances.

Spoiler

FORMIDABLE ADVERSARY

If it comes down to a battle of wills between Dubai and Mumbai over which new tournament gets the green light, the ICC is likely to find Ganguly a formidable adversary.

The BCCI’s last serious attempt to assert its clout with the ICC came with the ‘Big Three’ revenue model, which in 2014 effectively put India, England and Australia in control of the game’s finances and administration.

That model collapsed in 2017 and the board was subsequently run by a Supreme Court-appointed panel in an administration that ran until Ganguly was elected in October last year.

India’s feisty former captain has made it clear he will make sure the BCCI gets its fair share of the pie.

India coach Ravi Shastri summed up the BCCI’s position in a recent interview.

“Why should you be a tame little duck? You have to demand your pound of flesh,” Shastri told CNN-News18. “That’s the revenue you bring to the table. If I bring that to the table, what do I get in return?”

Ganguly and his colleagues have carried out behind-the-scenes talks with their English and Australian counterparts to garner support for the ‘Super Series’.

The England and Wales Cricket Board has said it is “open” to discussing the proposal while Cricket Australia (CA) Chief Executive Kevin Roberts found the idea “innovative”.

“There have been some formal and informal meetings, the content of which I am not in a position to share,” a CA spokesman said.

CANVASS SUPPORT

The ICC is not sitting idle and has sent out its top brass to canvass for its proposed tournament.

ICC Chief Executive Manu Sawhney and commercial general manager Campbell Jamieson met Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) officials in Dhaka last month.

“They have met Malaysia’s prime minister, visited Australia and New Zealand, and they are going to America as well,” BCB chief Nazmul Hassan told reporters in Dhaka.

“Those who are interested in hosting ICC events, they are visiting those countries and it will certainly raise the income of the member countries.”

Sports historian Boria Majumdar says Ganguly will eventually get his way, though he might be a little more subtle in his negotiations than Shastri’s comments suggest.

“The BCCI absolutely wants to assert itself in the ICC,” said Majumdar, co-author of the recently published “Dreams of a Billion” chronicling India’s Olympic campaigns.

“It naturally doesn’t want to lose 13-1 in ICC votes anymore, like it has happened in the last couple of years.

“But confrontation is not the way forward and no one knows that better that Sourav Ganguly.”

 

[latecut]

These three teams can form an association independent of ICC and organise their own tournament. ICC can do nothing. Remember, Asia cup is organised by Asian Cricket Council, which is independent of ICC.

 

[Amir]

PCB tried to sabotage the IPL in 2009, get the WC shifted out of India in 2011 and recently raised questions on Indias safety. So what do they expect in return?

Cool fact making. I think PCB also shot down and captured national hero Indian pilot Abhinandan.

People avoiding elephant in room. Its not that one country controls most of cricket. It is that one of the most pettiest and small minded group of people control cricket (BCCI). Whilst the government may head our cricket, the government and pretty much tribal idiot feudal politics runs theirs and hide behind sham secularism.