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Considering Wahab has been rested.. and the pitch has alot of bounce to offer.. will we go with the same lineup or will Micky try to experiment even further with this attack, which has done pretty well uptil now

Not a big Riaz fan but if he could bowl bouncers at 140+ on a pitch that supports bounce, it could be very lethal for the opposition..

I think this was the reason for bringing Irfan in.. the historic bounce on the Perth wicket
 
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I think you have to go with the same team, even though Shafiq is a terrible ODI batsman
 
waleed88 said:
Considering Wahab has been rested.. and the pitch has alot of bounce to offer.. will we go with the same lineup or will Micky try to experiment even further with this attack, which has done pretty well uptil now

Not a big Riaz fan but if he could bowl bouncers at 140+ on a pitch that supports bounce, it could be very lethal for the opposition..

I think this was the reason for bringing Irfan in.. the historic bounce on the Perth wicket
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his aggression was again something I missed,

Spinners played a great part in undermining the batting lineup but don't think so it is going to continue for long.

Our batting is more than weak and Malik will probably not repeat his performances.

We need a very strong batting lineup, Azhar Ali is not available for the third ODI, I think we can make him play at 5 otherwise.....really miss Sarfraz the great.
 
No same team everyone on bench is nothing better than playing at the moment.
 
If Azhar recovers slot him in For Asad. Hafeez got lucky but don't think he can handle opening, he looked better after he played himself in, but could have got out many times at the beginning, and being hit on the head, he couldn't handle it. Slowing reflexes maybe. Umar was encouraging, he helped chased down the score, maybe he can be afforded another shot middle order. Malik stay at 5, he did really well, best innings of the match and we need that experience to stabalise lower order.

1. Azhar
2. Sharjeel
3. Babar
4. Hafeez
5. Malik
6. Umar Akmal
7. Rizwan
8. Imad Wasim
9. Amir
10. Junaid
11. Hasan Ali
 
Shafiq should be given his last chance.Anyways Azhar will be back after this match,so can have him as opener,with Hafeez at 4 and the rest of the batting lineup should be the same.
 
We need to move on from Wahab type of useless bowlers. Thank God he didn't play in this match you would be 2-0.
 
Hafeez*
Sharjeel
Azam
Malik
Akmal
Rizwan+
Wasim
Wahab
Hasan
Rahat
Junaid

Rest Amir. Expose Rahat so he never sees the daylight again. Seriously he is blocking a spot for a youngster. Shafiq sucks. Any of our Top 8 can do what he did in the last match.
 
I hope we continue to miss Riaz and his fake "aggression". The bowling unit all of a sudden looks lethal after dropping excess fat.
 
if azhar is out do we play wahab instead of shafiq.
i would rather have wahab come in at 4 and swing at a few which would probably result in 10(8), who knows maybe a top edged few more rather than 19(35)

it wont happen like this but would mean evrybody shifts up one and wahab slots in towards the bottom.
then we got a better fielder, catcher and the backup in case spinners get carted, on a quicker pitch
 
Rayyman said:
Hafeez*
Sharjeel
Azam
Malik
Akmal
Rizwan+
Wasim
Wahab
Hasan
Rahat
Junaid

Rest Amir. Expose Rahat so he never sees the daylight again. Seriously he is blocking a spot for a youngster. Shafiq sucks. Any of our Top 8 can do what he did in the last match.
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Best chance to go up in the series and you want to rest Amir?

I'd go with the same xi including playing useless Shafiq

I'm sure he can muster up a 30 (60) at least
 
Probably, they'll go with same team, since there is no pace bowling all-rounder in this squad. but, had Sohail been there, may be they could have dropped Asad for Sohail. Rahat & Wahab are too poor with bat, to replace a specialist batsman; but PAK will need a 4th pacer at WACA.

May be, still Wahab should play over Asad, I don't know - Asad has great batting potential in ODI, but he is not scoring, which may be I can explain, but still the fact remains same - I am not sure if he'll contribute more than Wahab with bat or not!!!!!
 
MMHS said:
Probably, they'll go with same team, since there is no pace bowling all-rounder in this squad. but, had Sohail been there, may be they could have dropped Asad for Sohail. Rahat & Wahab are too poor with bat, to replace a specialist batsman; but PAK will need a 4th pacer at WACA.

May be, still Wahab should play over Asad, I don't know - Asad has great batting potential in ODI, but he is not scoring, which may be I can explain, but still the fact remains same - I am not sure if he'll contribute more than Wahab with bat or not!!!!!
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Any tail-ender can do what Shafiq did in the last match.
 
Rayyman said:
Hafeez*
Sharjeel
Azam
Malik
Akmal
Rizwan+
Wasim
Wahab
Hasan
Rahat
Junaid

Rest Amir. Expose Rahat so he never sees the daylight again. Seriously he is blocking a spot for a youngster. Shafiq sucks. Any of our Top 8 can do what he did in the last match.
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Lol what?

Rest Amir in the most important match of the series?

We should look to go 2-1 up this game rather than looking to expose our players (i.e. Rahat, as you have mentioned).
 
Considering Azhar and Sarfraz remain unavailable and Malik is now fit, I'd go with:

Sharjeel
Hafeez
Babar
Malik
Umar
Rizwan (WK)
Imad
Nawaz/Wahab
Amir
Hasan
Junaid

Please no more Asad. Wahab and Nawaz can both outdo him with the bat easily and can bowl too. If the pitch has bounce and demands four pacers, then Wahab should play and Amir should bat at #8 with the responsibility that he must score 25 runs if needed. That way our tail is not too long.

Otherwise, put Nawaz in to make our tail longer and also give us another bowling option, which is a bonus (even though we don't really need his bowling).

Playing Nawaz over Asad allows each of our batsmen to bat at their ideal positions and gives us another bowler, so why not?
 
For those saying Asad provides "stability", do keep in mind that his 12 (28) will harm us greatly if we're batting first. We won't always be chasing 220.
 
Same team, but Nawaz or Wahab (depending on conditions) in for shafiq.

Also, Akmal at no. 4 please.
 
1 Sharjeel khan
2 Umar Akmal
3 Babar Azam
4 M. Hafeez
5 S. Malik
6 M. Rizwan
7 Imad Wasim
8 M. Amir
9 W. Riaz
10J. Khan
11H. Ali

4 seamers 3spiners . As its shown the only way to win against Aus is attack and get them all out for as low of a total.
 
Abdullah said:
win this and we win the series. huge game!!
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Not necessarily. If we win this the series will still only be 2-1 and Azhar is coming back from the fourth match, meaning we will definitely lose the last two matches in his captaincy.
 
Syed1 said:
Not necessarily. If we win this the series will still only be 2-1 and Azhar is coming back from the fourth match, meaning we will definitely lose the last two matches in his captaincy.
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Even if he isn't captain. If he stays at the crease for too long then we will lose. Same with Shafiq
 
Our bowling attack looks very good at the moment, if we bat first 260-280 should be defendable. Amir in great form, quality bowler in limited overs, going to be vital in the champions trophy.
 
Syed1 said:
Not necessarily. If we win this the series will still only be 2-1 and Azhar is coming back from the fourth match, meaning we will definitely lose the last two matches in his captaincy.
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pitches at sydney and adelaide will suit us in terms of spin so probably all it will take is win one of the 2 tosses and post 280.
we just got to hope tomorrow is sharjeels day. he will get one score in the series
 
Abdullah said:
pitches at sydney and adelaide will suit us in terms of spin so probably all it will take is win one of the 2 tosses and post 280.
we just got to hope tomorrow is sharjeels day. he will get one score in the series
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Lets hope it turns out as easy as you are making it out to be :yk
 
WACA has become pretty flat, the pitch now is far removed from the days of Lillee and Thommo bouncing the opposition on a lightning fast wicket.

Bowling needs to maintain the discipline they've shown so far in this series.
 
Abdullah said:
pitches at sydney and adelaide will suit us in terms of spin so probably all it will take is win one of the 2 tosses and post 280.
we just got to hope tomorrow is sharjeels day. he will get one score in the series
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Azhar got 214 to defend, not big, but not small either on that UAE track against Pom batsmen who choked against Mossaddek. Then, spinners got Poms 95/4 - did you see Azhar's Captaincy then?

I was surprised to notice people praising Azhar's attacking Captaincy, for that he kept a slip when not obliged to do so by rule ................ and then put every other fielder on line - inner or outer; expecting Aussies will hit like trace of bullet straight to fielders 35 yards away & eventually will go to clear the rope - thus bringing slip & his deep fielders in the game. Sadly, they kept pushing with soft hands & ran singles in to doubles, until last few overs ........ what makes you think that same thing won't happen chasing 275 at SCG?
 
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MMHS said:
Azhar got 214 to defend, not big, but not small either on that UAE track against Pom batsmen who choked against Mossaddek. Then, spinners got Poms 95/4 - did you see Azhar's Captaincy then?

I was surprised to notice people praising Azhar's attacking Captaincy, for that he kept a slip when not obliged to do so by rule ................ and then put every other fielder on line - inner or outer; expecting Aussies will hit like trace of bullet straight to fielders 35 yards away & eventually will go to clear the rope - thus bringing slip & his deep fielders in the game. Sadly, they kept pushing with soft hands & ran singles in to doubles, until last few overs ........ what makes you think that same thing won't happen chasing 275 at SCG?
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batting first is different to chasing and if aussies r finding it tough vs our spinners struggling to get to 250 then on tracks that actually assist spin a bit more...
lets see, and lets win 2maw first!
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Sharjeel is due a big score. This will be a 350 pitch I presume?
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He's always due a big score. He's clearly a talent, but his output has been really low. Don't support him being in tests, should have just been stuck to LOI for the moment. If he keeps failing with the bat in ODIs, I'd drop him. His only really good performance has come against Ireland so far.
 
Abdullah said:
batting first is different to chasing and if aussies r finding it tough vs our spinners struggling to get to 250 then on tracks that actually assist spin a bit more...
lets see, and lets win 2maw first!
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I hope so as well, but my hunch is, if PAK wins 3rd ODI, Azhar might not get fit in time for the last 2 ODI :(
 
Kamran Akmal....Why?
What does he bring to this team that will help us in the next world cup.
Please...lets move on from Akmals, Maliks, Hafeezs, Farhats......
Develop the young guys who will carry us into the next decade.
 
I cannot blv anyone is seriously advocating for wahab. Surely a bit of common sense. On a two pace Melbourne pitch with extra bounce at good length we have their top order blown away - 4 down. What are ppl expecting wahab to do have them 8 down with his historically super accurate bowling in odi's?
 
MoHa is not a fool - if he fails couple of times as opener, he'll drop down the order. Luckily, he had a 70+ as opener hence he'll keep opening; but he looked almost like a tail-ender in first 10 overs - I did tease couple of posters with 24 (48):), but the truth is like watching Saqline batting :(

Has anyone noticed - the man who had been a serial drop machine at 1st slip under every Captain, didn't stand at 1st slip (or only slip), when he himself was at charge? He is street smart - won't do anything that helps Arthur to find an excuse:)
 
Handscomb and Stanlake to play instead of Marsh and Starc.

That guarantees 10 overs of spin from Maxi+Head. Need to cash in big time on these overs. One of Hafeez or Malik needs to be at the crease when these 2 are bowling.
 
Sarfarazian92 said:
Handscomb and Stanlake to play instead of Marsh and Starc.

That guarantees 10 overs of spin from Maxi+Head. Need to cash in big time on these overs. One of Hafeez or Malik needs to be at the crease when these 2 are bowling.
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What about both - send Umar to open & bat MoHa/Mian at 4 & 5 ............
 
Hafeez will consider demoting himself an insult, otherwise batting at 5 or 6 is best for him.The way he survived the new ball last time is not going to happen again.
 
MMHS said:
What about both - send Umar to open & bat MoHa/Mian at 4 & 5 ............
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That's the ideal situation but there's 0 chance of Umar being sent to open lol.

Both of us know Hafeez isn't moving down the order anytime soon after his 70+ in the last match.
 
Peter Handscomb to make one-day debut for Australia against Pakistan in 3rd ODI

Middle-order batsman Peter Handscomb will make his limited overs debut for Australia national cricket team against Pakistan national cricket team in the third one-day international in Perth on Thursday.

Peter Handscomb replaces the injured Mitchell Marsh after a highly successful introduction to Test cricket in which the 25-year-old scored two centuries and two fifties in his first four appearances in the recent series against South Africa and Pakistan.

“He’s done really well, he’s been outstanding. So good reward for a good summer,” Australian coach Darren Lehmann told reporters Wednesday.

“Obviously we want four quality batters going at the top so he’ll get his chance there.

“He played a one-day style innings for us in the Sydney Test, so he’s got all the shots and he’s quite innovative,” Lehmann said.

Fast bowler Billy Stanlake comes in for Mitchell Starc, who is being rested.

Chris Lynn, who missed Sunday’s loss because of a neck injury, will be out for the remainder of the five-match series which is tied at 1-1, Lehman said.

Batsman Lynn has been told to rest for several weeks due to a persistent neck injury and was ruled out of the squad for the rest of their one-day series against Pakistan and the Chappell-Hadlee series against New Zealand cricket team. The 26-year-old has been troubled by a bulging disc in his neck for some time and was using medication to control the pain.

Australia squad:

Steve Smith (capt), David Warner, Usman Khawaja, Peter Handscomb, Travis Head, Glenn Maxwell, Matthew Wade, James Faulkner, Pat Cummins, Josh Hazlewood, Billy Stanlake

http://www.hindustantimes.com/crick...-in-3rd-odi/story-8xN7xRdaPR5jcpkMOMlsfN.html
 
1) Stanlake can go for runs - Big plus for us with Starc rested.
2) Australia has 4 fast options and 5th bowler has to be Travis & Maxwell unless Hadscomb can bowl a bit - again an opportunity to take advantage.

If we can bat first and not lose more than 1 wicket in frst 10 overs - we may be able to set a big one!

Australia will come hard after a defeat but I like our chances as long as we can control Warner & Maxwell.
 
Pakistan won't be able to chase anything over 250 , bowling has to fire again. A lineup of hafeez , shafiq , akmal and rizwan really doesn't inspire any confidence.
 
If AUS top order can bat majority of their 50 overs, something they haven't been able to do so far, this will be a no contest.

PAK bowling needs to be at its best again. Spinners will be less effective this time because of the surface and AUS batsmen having learnt to play guys like Imad. The trick is to not play Imad like a spinner but slow pacer.
 
Pete Rose said:
I cannot blv anyone is seriously advocating for wahab. Surely a bit of common sense. On a two pace Melbourne pitch with extra bounce at good length we have their top order blown away - 4 down. What are ppl expecting wahab to do have them 8 down with his historically super accurate bowling in odi's?
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forget the bowling he is more likely to score 12(7) which is more useful probably than shafiqs 19(35) and he is a much better fielder with a stronger arm from the deep.
all of this is TRUE
 
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FlickedOffHips said:
If AUS top order can bat majority of their 50 overs, something they haven't been able to do so far, this will be a no contest.

PAK bowling needs to be at its best again. Spinners will be less effective this time because of the surface and AUS batsmen having learnt to play guys like Imad. The trick is to not play Imad like a spinner but slow pacer.
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I sense a warner run our opportunity. He is eager to put bat on ball and rotate the strike. Pakistan's bowling and fielding has found a way to deal with his four-sided bat
 
cricketInsight said:
1) Stanlake can go for runs - Big plus for us with Starc rested.
2) Australia has 4 fast options and 5th bowler has to be Travis & Maxwell unless Hadscomb can bowl a bit - again an opportunity to take advantage.

If we can bat first and not lose more than 1 wicket in frst 10 overs - we may be able to set a big one!

Australia will come hard after a defeat but I like our chances as long as we can control Warner & Maxwell.
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I think the batting needs to go hard up front
 
Peter Handscomb to make ODI debut

Victorian batsman will become Australia's 219th ODI player at the WACA Ground.

Peter Handscomb will make his one-day international debut in Perth on Thursday as Australia look to re-gain the lead in the VB ODI series against Pakistan.

Handscomb is one of two changes to the side that lost in Melbourne on Sunday, coming in for the injured Mitchell Marsh.

Paceman Billy Stanlake, who made his debut in the opening game of the series last Friday, returns in place of Mitchell Starc, who has been rested.

Handscomb will bat at number four at the WACA Ground, with coach Darren Lehmann confirming that Queensland's Chris Lynn is out for the series due to a neck injury.

"He's done really well so this is a good reward for a good summer," Lehmann said of Handscomb.

"Obviously we want four quality batters at the top so he'll get his chance there.

"It's bad luck for Chris Lynn ... the number four spot is there and Peter has done a really good job in the Test matches so he gets a crack at it."

Handscomb averages 31 in domestic one-day cricket and, like Lynn, has never posted a century in the 50-over game. But Lehmann had no doubt the Victorian could translate his good Test form into ODI cricket.

"He played a one-day style innings for us in the Sydney Test, so he's got all the shots and he's quite innovative," he said.

"Or if we lose early wickets he can consolidate."

Handscomb is currently averaging just under 100 in Tests after an impressive start to his international career this summer, including two centuries and two fifties from four matches.

He will become Australia's 219th ODI player and the third debutant this series after Stanlake and Chris Lynn played their first games in Brisbane last Friday.

Lehmann said Stanlake, who bowled just three overs in his debut at the Gabba due to illness, should be able to use his height to good effect on a bouncy WACA surface.

"He's tall and he's got a lot of bounce so we think he can be quite effective here," the coach said of the towering quick.

The five-match series is locked at 1-1 after Pakistan recorded a drought-breaking victory at the MCG on Sunday.

Australia XI: David Warner, Usman Khawaja, Steve Smith, Peter Handscomb, Travis Head, Glenn Maxwell, Matthew Wade, James Faulkner, Pat Cummins, Josh Hazlewood, Billy Stanlake

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So ten confirms overs from maxwell and head, if we bat first we to target these ten overs for atleast 80, and if we can do that we can atleast set Oz 280, which should be more than enough for our bowling. Just don't gift that trundler faulkner free wickets.
 
Sharjeel
Hafeez
Babar
Malik
Akmal
Rizwan
Imad
Amir
Wahab
Junaid
Hassan

I think thats the best team to go with given the pitch.
 
Peter Handscomb:
List A 51 46 10 1130 72 31.38 1521 74.29 0 5 85 14 44 2

Not that impressive, hopefully we can get him out quickly....
Average of 31.38 and strike rate of 74.29
 
Can anyone tell me the starting time as per Pakistan Standard Time?
 
No need to change the team. Consistency in playing eleven is key as it will boost the confidence of players and in result they will play freely instead of playing for their spot in the team.
 
There should only be one change

Sharjeel Khan
Hafeez
Babar Azam
Malik
Umar Akmal
Rizwan
Imad Wasim
Nawaz
Amir
Hassan Ali
 
Play the same XI

Hopefully we bat first and can put up a minimum of 260
then get a couple of early wickets when we bowl
 
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