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1 game to go and some urgent changes needed

I would say

Imam for Fakhar
Musa for Wahab
Khushdil for Asif

I would still play Irfan...
 
Cummins put on ice to freshen up for Test challenge

Australia talisman held back from Perth leg of T20 series against Pakistan to prepare for Test series against same opponents and New Zealand

"We've got so much cricket on, he (Cummins) plays a lot of it so when you get a little opportunity rather than taking the long flight to Perth he's going to stay here, recover and get prepared for the Test series," Australia coach Justin Langer said on Wednesday.

Cummins has played 31 matches (eight Tests, 16 ODIs and seven T20Is) across all formats for his country this year, including a grueling stretch in England this winter where he featured in all 10 of Australia's World Cup games and then five out of five Ashes Tests.

While he will not play in Perth, Cummins' next match is likely on Monday in Sydney when NSW host Western Australia in the Marsh Sheffield Shield.

The Australian Test squad is set to be named late next week before assembling in Brisbane on November 16 ahead of the first Test five days later.

While Cummins, Test cricket's No.1-ranked bowler, is a lock for the Gabba, the makeup of the Australia's top six is still up in the air.

A strong Australia A side will take on Pakistan in Perth in a three-day day-night match from next Monday in what looms as a selection shootout for top order spots, while a round of Shield matches will give the selectors plenty to think about ahead of the first Test.

Ashes Test players Travis Head (109 v NSW) and Matthew Wade (69 and 57no v Victoria) have put in impressive Shield performances in the past week, while young gun Cameron Green posted scores of 87no and 121no, his maiden first-class century, against Queensland.

Langer has been keeping a close eye on the domestic scene but wants to see his players make it impossible for him to not pick them.

"I'm hoping someone starts banging really hard on the door," Langer said.

Patient Head posts first ton of Shield summer
"Travis played well. I thought the way Matthew Wade played was excellent in winning the game for Tasmania.

"Cameron Green, can we slide him in the top four. He's got a very bright future. I watched him bat yesterday – I know how well he can bowl, he's a good young kid.

"I keep maintaining there is so much talent in Australian cricket we've just got make sure we get the combinations right and make sure we get the people that are ready to go for this Test series."

Gillette T20 INTLs v Pakistan

November 3: First T20I, SCG, No result

November 5: Second T20I, Manuka Oval, Australia won by seven wickets

November 8: Third T20I, Perth Stadium, 4.30pm (Fox & Kayo)

Domain Test Series v Pakistan

Warm-up match: v Australia A, November 11-13, Perth Stadium (d/n)

Warm-up match: v Cricket Australia XI, November 15-16, WACA Ground

First Test: November 21-25, Gabba (Seven, Fox & Kayo)

Second Test: November 29 – December 3, Adelaide (d/n) (Seven, Fox & Kayo)

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/pat...h-test-series-opener-justin-langer/2019-11-06
 
1 game to go and some urgent changes needed

I would say

Imam for Fakhar
Musa for Wahab
Khushdil for Asif

I would still play Irfan...


that is pretty optimistic. Misbah is not making 3 changes in a game. Max 2. He will definitely keep Wahab because in his mind, WR is an allrounder. Fakhar would still get a game. I think Irfan may miss out. The pessimist in me thinks that it would be the same team playing.
 
1 game to go and some urgent changes needed

I would say

Imam for Fakhar
Musa for Wahab
Khushdil for Asif

I would still play Irfan...

Some reports saying that Irfan also be ing replaced by Hasnain
 
Imam for Fakhar
Khushdil for Haris
Hasnain for Irfan
Iftikhar to move to #4

My team would be:

Babar
Imam
Rizwan
Iftikhar
Asif
Khushdil
Imad
Wahab
Shadab
Amir
Hasnain
 
Reports suggesting kushdil to replace asif, hasnain to replace irfan, musa to replace wahab. Should be good to watch
 
Iftikhar ahmed
Babar azam
Fakhar zaman
Asif ali
Imad wasim
Kushdil shah
Shadab
Rizwan
Amir
Hasnain
Musa

Play this team in this order!
 
Back to playing that lethargic 130-150 runs per 20 overs cricket with Misbah around is no surprise.

Babar needs to bat at number 3 and Fakhar needs to...
 
I have noticed with pakistanis(my relatives who live in pakistan) do not accept they are wrong until its too late, no matter how much you try to convince them.
Misbah, in this sense, seems like a true pakistani.
 
Drop Irfan and give Hasnain and Khushdil Shah a chance to prove themselves.
 
Reports suggesting kushdil to replace asif, hasnain to replace irfan, musa to replace wahab. Should be good to watch

If we loose that match Misbah will blame Hasnain, Khusdil and Musa for series loss and drop them forever.
 
I hope they play musa or shah for irfan, thats one change much needed, u just cant have 3 lh bowlers when they are not firing....perth's bouncy wicket is the ideal stage, as an indian i am always amazed at the way you guys bring such young quicks, Perth T20 should definatively be more competitive, good luck :)
 
I have noticed with pakistanis(my relatives who live in pakistan) do not accept they are wrong until its too late, no matter how much you try to convince them.
Misbah, in this sense, seems like a true pakistani.

Misbah will never accept any mistake even if Pakistan loose their test and ODI status.
 
Squad for 3rd T20 should be :
Only 2 changes

Fakhar Zaman (one last chance)
Babar Azam (c)
Mohammed Rizwan (wk)
Iftikhar Ahmed
Kushdil Shah for Harris Sohail
Asif Ali (hard hitter)
Imad Wasim
Shadab Khan
Wahab Riaz (all rounder)
Mohammed Aamer
Hasnain khan for Mohd Irfan

Musa khan can be tried in next easy series vs Bangladesh or Ireland
 
Squad for 3rd T20 should be :
Only 2 changes

Fakhar Zaman (one last chance)
Babar Azam (c)
Mohammed Rizwan (wk)
Iftikhar Ahmed
Kushdil Shah for Harris Sohail
Asif Ali (hard hitter)
Imad Wasim
Shadab Khan
Wahab Riaz (all rounder)
Mohammed Aamer
Hasnain khan for Mohd Irfan

Musa khan can be tried in next easy series vs Bangladesh or Ireland

The series will not be played under present Bangladeshi government.
 
I would opt for these changes

Imam for Fakhar
Khushdil Shah for Asif Ali
Hasnain for Wahab/Irfan
 
Squad for 3rd T20 should be :
Only 2 changes

Fakhar Zaman (one last chance)
Babar Azam (c)
Mohammed Rizwan (wk)
Iftikhar Ahmed
Kushdil Shah for Harris Sohail
Asif Ali (hard hitter)
Imad Wasim
Shadab Khan
Wahab Riaz (all rounder)
Mohammed Aamer
Hasnain khan for Mohd Irfan

Musa khan can be tried in next easy series vs Bangladesh or Ireland

Wahab being an allrounder is the biggest joke.
 
Wahab being an allrounder is the biggest joke.
Wahab is a tailender, who can swing the long handle occasionally.
Hasan ali has the potential to be a pace bowling allrounder, but first he has to work on getting his bowling back on track and then work on some defensive shots and not try to slap every ball for 6!
 
Hopefully Misbah has realized that we need to move on from old faces especially the ones which werent world beaters to start with. New players not only bring in energy buy also bring a novelty factor with them which remains some initial time. If they can become world class which previous tried and tested players couldnt then the team can remain consistent afterwards as well so there isnt much to loose.
 
Wahab is a tailender, who can swing the long handle occasionally.
Hasan ali has the potential to be a pace bowling allrounder, but first he has to work on getting his bowling back on track and then work on some defensive shots and not try to slap every ball for 6!

Exactly. But some people think swinging the bat and hitting it for six on the odd occasion makes you an allrounder.
 
want to put it out there that Rizwan at four is just as effective at killing the team’s chances of a win as continuing to play Fakhar, Asif, Irfaan
 
Wahab is a tailender, who can swing the long handle occasionally.
Hasan ali has the potential to be a pace bowling allrounder, but first he has to work on getting his bowling back on track and then work on some defensive shots and not try to slap every ball for 6!

Wahab is also a tailender who can swing the ball occasionally. He is the Mohammad Hafeez of fast bowlers.
 
May I predict Pakistan is going to win the next game. Just need to drop Irfan for Hassnain, and Wahab for Naseem Shah.

Could also drop Asif for Khushdil. Asif is not stepping up.

And there is the game. You read it here first.
 
Hopefully Misbah has realized that we need to move on from old faces especially the ones which werent world beaters to start with. New players not only bring in energy buy also bring a novelty factor with them which remains some initial time. If they can become world class which previous tried and tested players couldnt then the team can remain consistent afterwards as well so there isnt much to loose.

Do you really believe Misbah doesn't see that. Its actually opposite. Misbah fully aware of that but he doesn't care if Pakistan win or loose, that's why he wanted dual postion, no batting coach and man without dignity Waqar so no one can question him for his disloyalty.
 
Do you really believe Misbah doesn't see that. Its actually opposite. Misbah fully aware of that but he doesn't care if Pakistan win or loose, that's why he wanted dual postion, no batting coach and man without dignity Waqar so no one can question him for his disloyalty.

If he wants a career in coaching he better care. I personally cant think of any reason why he shouldnt care when his job is on line. We can argue about his selections and strategies but him not caring isnt something we should be arguing about.
 
I would play this:
Fakhar
Babar*
Haris
Iftikhar
Khushdil
Imad
Rizwan+
Shadab
Amir
Hasnain
Irfan
 
The love for the Australia-Pak series.....


Couple watch the match during wedding ceremony

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Changes will be made to the line-up - Musa I would imagine will make a debut.
 
Fakhar will get one final chance I suppose --- Musa, Hasnain, Khushdil and Usman for Wahab, Irfan, Asif and Shadab..give everybody atleast one chance if they were selected
 
Last chance to win a game in Aus..... Because there is no chance to win a test in Aus... and I am confident that players like Wahab, Irfan, Asif, Fakhar in our lineup we ain't wining anything. Not to mention clown in the dressing room...:misbah
 
Musa for Wahab
Hasnain for Irfan
Khushdil for Asif Ali

Would replace Fakhar as well if there was a better substitute.
 
This is my XI for the last T20I

Babar
Rizwan
Haris
Asif
Iftikhar
Khushdil
Imad
Amir
Musa
Hasnain
Qadir

The only way I see Rizwan being somewhat succesful, I think he can hit it over the in field in the powerplays and surely cant be any worse than Fakhar. I think we needed an aggresive batsman at 4 and even though Asif isnt the most consistent, he wont waste any balls which is crucial.
 
This is my XI for the last T20I

Babar
Rizwan
Haris
Asif
Iftikhar
Khushdil
Imad
Amir
Musa
Hasnain
Qadir

The only way I see Rizwan being somewhat succesful, I think he can hit it over the in field in the powerplays and surely cant be any worse than Fakhar. I think we needed an aggresive batsman at 4 and even though Asif isnt the most consistent, he wont waste any balls which is crucial.

Having Rizwan and Haris to support Babar in the power play where the momentum of the T20 games is decided isnt very good option in my opinion. First 6 overs need to be utilized better.
 
Having Rizwan and Haris to support Babar in the power play where the momentum of the T20 games is decided isnt very good option in my opinion. First 6 overs need to be utilized better.

Who you suggest to be up there then?
 
AUS look good even without Maxwell. They need him for the big one next year though. Their bowling is much better now with Zampa and Agar establishing themselves. They were depending too much on Starc in T20I earlier.

Hoping to see that young fast bowler Hasnain at some stage. Not sure what PAK are doing with low SR guys like Sohail and Rizwan. Need to move forward.
 
Who you suggest to be up there then?

Ideally we should have had someone like Ahsan Ali who is strong on back foot as well as the back up of Fakhar in that attacking opener role. However he isnt there so either we can stick with Fakhar which I think we should for the last match or we can move him 1 down and open with maybe Asif Ali (Before discarding him) as he has opened quite a lot in T20s in few years ago as he likes to hit the ball in the air and trying him in the power play isnt a bad option.

Imam can also come in over Fakhar but that would again make the opening combination one dimensional for T20s. Imam is in pretty good form though.

Maybe we can try something like

Babar
Asif Ali/ Imam
Fakhar
Iftikhar
Khushdil
Imad
Rizwan
Shadab
Amir
Musa
Hasnain

This will have good left right combo though out the main batting lineup.
 
Ideally we should have had someone like Ahsan Ali who is strong on back foot as well as the back up of Fakhar in that attacking opener role. However he isnt there so either we can stick with Fakhar which I think we should for the last match or we can move him 1 down and open with maybe Asif Ali (Before discarding him) as he has opened quite a lot in T20s in few years ago as he likes to hit the ball in the air and trying him in the power play isnt a bad option.

Imam can also come in over Fakhar but that would again make the opening combination one dimensional for T20s. Imam is in pretty good form though.

Maybe we can try something like

Babar
Asif Ali/ Imam
Fakhar
Iftikhar
Khushdil
Imad
Rizwan
Shadab
Amir
Musa
Hasnain

This will have good left right combo though out the main batting lineup.

Good lineup, but you don't think that Qadir should be given a go?
 
May as well play the lads who've not had a chance so far.

Nothing to lose.
 
Good lineup, but you don't think that Qadir should be given a go?

Thanks. I think Shadab bowled pretty well in the last match so if we are thinking of targeting a series draw I think Shadab should play while Imad has been a performer in T20s for sometime and does provide that extra option of someone who can hit the ball well.

If we would have already lost the series 2-0 or would have been up 0-2 than it would have been a sure shot call to have Qadir in but in the current scenario when something is at stake I am not sure how much risk the management would be willing to take. Either ways as Qadir has been selected now he shouldnt be dropped from the squad until he gets a chance in few T20 games.
 
This is my XI for the last T20I

Babar
Rizwan
Haris
Asif
Iftikhar
Khushdil
Imad
Amir
Musa
Hasnain
Qadir

The only way I see Rizwan being somewhat succesful, I think he can hit it over the in field in the powerplays and surely cant be any worse than Fakhar. I think we needed an aggresive batsman at 4 and even though Asif isnt the most consistent, he wont waste any balls which is crucial.

You think Pakistan should risk benching Shadab and playing Qadir with the series on the line?

I'm for Qadir getting a game at least. But because they've left it to the last match when the series can still-- however unlikely--be leveled, I can't decide if playing Qadir over Shadab would be the right call.
 
Imam
Babar
Haris
Iftikhar
Rizwan
Khushdil
Imad
Shadab
Musa
Hasnain
Amir.

I change my mind, I'm willing to try Imam our.
 
Pakistan need to think out of box and play two wrist spinners.

Qadir and shadab

I'd like to see that. It could go either way. It could surprise and throttle Australia. Or they go big and line one or both of them up with Pakistan a regular pacer short and few options.
 
May as well play the lads who've not had a chance so far.

Nothing to lose.
Saj bro, you sound like you have already thrown the towel in!
Of course theres something to lose - the series, a win will tie the series.

Ifti
Babar
Fakhar
Asif ali
Khushdil shah
Imad
Rizwan
Shadab
Wahab
Amir
Hasnain

If they bat first and this order, i think we have a chance of winning!
 
I think pakistan is a phenomenal odi side. T20 not so much. pretty mediocre.

pakistan are very underrated in odi. I think a series between Pakistan's full strength vs australia England and india would be quite even.
 
Saj bro, you sound like you have already thrown the towel in!
Of course theres something to lose - the series, a win will tie the series.

Ifti
Babar
Fakhar
Asif ali
Khushdil shah
Imad
Rizwan
Shadab
Wahab
Amir
Hasnain

If they bat first and this order, i think we have a chance of winning!

see again. this is a fantastic odi side. Not so much for t20. This team would beat Aussies in odi.
 
No option but for Pakistan to go all out - could result in a bigger loss!
 
One thing is for sure. Whatever line up Misbah goes with, if the team don't win there will be a lot of lashing.
 
May I predict Pakistan is going to win the next game. Just need to drop Irfan for Hassnain, and Wahab for Naseem Shah.

Could also drop Asif for Khushdil. Asif is not stepping up.

And there is the game. You read it here first.

Naseem Shah is only in the test squad, Musa Khan is in the t20i squad and hopefully should get a go ahead of Wahab "experience" Riaz.
 
Will get whitewashed.
Player to player theres no comparison.

not in odi bro. Pakistan are excellent on the flat wickets that is being utilized for odi format. Their batsmen are quite adept for a 50 over game. On paper australia looks marginally stronger than a full strength pakistan team.
Their bowling in odi is overrated. Pakistani bowlers especially shaheen is better in the odi format. starc is a one trick pony.
amir shaheen and now naseem is a better attack than australia' s in odi.

starc, cummins is average in odi and hazelwood is really nothing special either. Good test bowler but a pretty mediocre odi bowler. He is only suited for Australian conditions. Actually he isn't impressive in subcontinent for tests either.
 
Naseem Shah is only in the test squad, Musa Khan is in the t20i squad and hopefully should get a go ahead of Wahab "experience" Riaz.
Also someone need to replace Mr. Striker Muhammad Amir 30 needed in 4 overs gave away 16 in one
 
Wahab Riaz can come at number 4 and slog few hits
Will be useful as he already did it in national T20 cup
Worth of trying it
 
Wahab Riaz can come at number 4 and slog few hits
Will be useful as he already did it in national T20 cup
Worth of trying it

Actually this might work, Wahab might get hit by the ball, get injured and then the youngsters can play in the next LOI series.
 
Batting legend Javed Miandad on Thursday said Sarfraz Ahmed deserved a place in the Twenty20 team as he was an excellent wicket-keeper and could have provided some advice in the ongoing encounters against Australia

ISLAMABAD, (APP - UrduPoint / Pakistan Point News - 7th Nov, 2019 ):Batting legend Javed Miandad on Thursday said Sarfraz Ahmed deserved a place in the Twenty20 team as he was an excellent wicket-keeper and could have provided some advice in the ongoing encounters against Australia.

"I cannot understand on what basis Sarfraz was sacked from the team. As a player Sarfraz would have scored coming in at No. 7 or 8. As a senior and experienced player his advice could have proven useful in the games," Miandad, who played for Pakistan in Tests and ODIs between 1975 and 1996, said on his YouTube channel.

Pakistan team lost the second Twenty20 to Australia by seven wickets while the first game was washed out by rain. The third and last T20 would be played on Friday.

Miandad said, "nowadays T20 cricket was so fast that we see teams scoring big totals like 200, 250 or more. The Australian team is very strong and don't let any team win on the home soil ".

The former skipper, who had scored 8,832 runs in 124 Tests, said there was no Pakistani batsman who could take the team along and lacked maturity.

"All players look like as they are playing for themselves just to score 30 to 40 runs," he said.

He criticized the selection process saying players have been picked and dropped in every series. "At our times playing at domestic level was like county cricket," he said.

Miandad was of the view that players needed practical trainers not laptop coaches to meet the challenges of modern-day international cricket. "When I was coach I used to demonstrate players the techniques on how to improve their skills," he said.

Miandad, who was widely known for his historic last ball six against India in 1986 at Sharjah, urged the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) to drop those players from the team who have been underperforming, time and again. "PCB is paying a handsome amount to players and they need to understand this," he said.

He said the players before going on any foreign tours should seek the expertise of former cricketers. "Players should focus on singles in the game," he said.

https://www.urdupoint.com/en/sports/sarfraz-deserves-a-place-in-team-javed-miand-756022.html
 
Does anyone know what is Pakistan’s longest T20 losing streak? Is this getting close? It has been 6 games since we last won.
 
I have said this many times before that Haris Sohail is not suited in T20 cricket as after 76 games his SR is just over 100.

Same applies for Rizwan as well as he is not suited to T20 cricket. The way he goes about in T20 is just simply agonizing to watch at times as he fails to time his shots as he more of an accumulator who runs fast between wickets.
 
1.Babar Azam
2.Fakhar Zaman
3.Iftikhar Ahmed
4.Khushdil Shah
5.Mohammad Rizwan
6.Asif Ali
7.Imad Wasim
8.Shadab Khan
9.Mohammad Musa
10.Mohammad Hasnain
11.Mohammad Amir
 
I would go for the players who have not had a chance to play so far.

I am tempted to see Fakhar one last time but am not so sure on Haris and Asif as I would like to see Khushdil instead of maybe Haris given a shot.

I would like to see something like this.

Fakhar
Babar
Iftikhar
Khushdil
Rizwan
Imad/Shadab
Usman Qadir (Would like to see what he can do)
Amir
Musa/Hasnain
Irfan

Only one of Irfan or Wahab should play IMO. I have put Irfan ahead of Wahab as Irfan had a decent 2nd game after that horrendous 2nd over in the first game he bowled. Wahab went for 33 off his 3 overs and also is a no ball culprit too.
 
I would go for the players who have not had a chance to play so far.

I am tempted to see Fakhar one last time but am not so sure on Haris and Asif as I would like to see Khushdil instead of maybe Haris given a shot.

I would like to see something like this.

Fakhar
Babar
Iftikhar
Khushdil
Rizwan
Imad/Shadab
Usman Qadir (Would like to see what he can do)
Amir
Musa/Hasnain
Irfan

Only one of Irfan or Wahab should play IMO. I have put Irfan ahead of Wahab as Irfan had a decent 2nd game after that horrendous 2nd over in the first game he bowled. Wahab went for 33 off his 3 overs and also is a no ball culprit too.

IMO none of Wahab and Irfan should play. Both are lisbilites in the team. They also have no future in international cricket. Who picks an unfit 37 year old for international cricket, even if it is only t20?
 
Get the feeling Pakistan might win this one. I predict Babar to get out relatively early, and Fakhar will come out of his t20 slump and score a big'un.
 
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