Australia vs Pakistan | 2nd ODI | Adelaide | November 08 | Pre-Match Discussion

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Why the XI hasn't been announced yet?
Pakistan always announced 11's late. Besides I don't think they should announced it until match time. I'm not a fan of announcing 11's early.
The sky is expected to witness showers in the morning.

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Showers are early morning. They'll be done by 10am max 11am. Adelaiade has a goat drainage system and match begins 2:30pm adelaide time.

Rain won't be an issue.
 

Ghosts from Pakistan's past a distant echo for Adelaide ODI​


Pakistan can breathe a little easier ahead of the second ODI knowing past Australian tormentors aren't playing
For all the familiar names in Australia's imposing batting line-up, it's the couple of notable absentees that will potentially buoy the spirits of Pakistan's similarly impressive pace-bowling attack heading into Friday's ODI at Adelaide Oval.

While left-armer Shaheen Shah Afridi is the only member of the current quartet of quicks to have played at international level against Australia at Adelaide, the team's earlier visits remain etched into Pakistan's collective memory.

In the most recent Test encounter in 2019, Australia piled on a monstrous first innings of 3(dec)-589 on the way to victory by an innings and 48 runs, while the previous ODI at the ground three summers earlier yielded a 57-run defeat for the visitors.

The common feature in both those bat-dominated fixtures was former Australia opener David Warner who – mercifully for Pakistan's bowlers – will get no closer to the action tomorrow than his pitch-side commentator duties with Fox Cricket.

Warner flogged Shaheen and Pakistan's other bowlers to all parts of Adelaide Oval in compiling his highest Test score, an unbeaten 335 which included a second-wicket stand of 361 with incumbent ODI batter Marnus Labuschagne.

It was a haunting repeat of recent history for Pakistan after Warner (179 off 129 balls) and then-opening partner Travis Head (129 off 137) blasted an Australia ODI record first-wicket partnership of 284.

It was Head's second outing as opener in the 50-over format, a position he would be filling tomorrow but for paternity leave granted for this month's arrival of his second child with wife Jessica.

In place of that dynamic duo of left-handers will be equally destructive right-hand pair Matt Short and Jake Fraser-McGurk, but the revamped Australia batting order has offered hope for Pakistan's pace men.

Naseem Shah, who like Shaheen has been recalled for this current ODI and T20I tour after being axed from Pakistan's Test squad, believes his team will once again rely on their fast-bowling stocks in a bid to level the three-match series.

After Pakistan's batters posted a below-par total of 203 at the MCG last Monday, pacemen Haris Rauf (3-67) and Mohammad Hasnain (1-51) dragged their team back into the game by claiming 4-16 in 33 deliveries before Pat Cummins guided Australia home.

"We discussed all the things we did like mistakes in the batting and we will try to do better," Naseem said prior to Pakistan's training session at Adelaide Oval on Thursday.

"The bowling effort was fantastic and we will try to do it again.

"We learned lots of things from that game and we will try to utilise in the next game."

Should Pakistan look to their past visits to Adelaide for inspiration for Friday's encounter, they might focus on Babar Azam's century (off 109 balls) in the Warner-dominated ODI of 2017.

Facing potentially the same front line attack as Australia might field tomorrow – quicks Mitchell Starc, Cummins and Josh Hazlewood plus spinner Adam Zampa – Babar's hundred briefly raised the prospect of a remarkable Pakistan run chase.

Another casualty of the Test-squad cull during the recent home series against England, Babar scored 37 (from 44 deliveries) before losing his off-stump to Zampa in his international return.

However, he can expect friendlier batting conditions at Adelaide Oval after Australia wicketkeeper-batter Josh Inglis described the MCG track for last Monday's game as "a bit two-paced with indifferent bounce".

Naseem took part in Thursday's match eve training session after succumbing to cramp in his return to international cricket at the MCG, with a Pakistan team spokesman confirming all members of the touring party are fit and available.

"Our strength is our whole team," Naseem said today.

"We have to bat well and then bowl well.

"We have some quality batsmen and good bowlers as well, so we will fight in the next game and we will try and win.

"We always play for a win."

 
Pakistan always announced 11's late. Besides I don't think they should announced it until match time. I'm not a fan of announcing 11's early.

Showers are early morning. They'll be done by 10am max 11am. Adelaiade has a goat drainage system and match begins 2:30pm adelaide time.

Rain won't be an issue.
Weather won’t be an issue

100 over game.
 

Ghosts from Pakistan's past a distant echo for Adelaide ODI​


Pakistan can breathe a little easier ahead of the second ODI knowing past Australian tormentors aren't playing
For all the familiar names in Australia's imposing batting line-up, it's the couple of notable absentees that will potentially buoy the spirits of Pakistan's similarly impressive pace-bowling attack heading into Friday's ODI at Adelaide Oval.

While left-armer Shaheen Shah Afridi is the only member of the current quartet of quicks to have played at international level against Australia at Adelaide, the team's earlier visits remain etched into Pakistan's collective memory.

In the most recent Test encounter in 2019, Australia piled on a monstrous first innings of 3(dec)-589 on the way to victory by an innings and 48 runs, while the previous ODI at the ground three summers earlier yielded a 57-run defeat for the visitors.

The common feature in both those bat-dominated fixtures was former Australia opener David Warner who – mercifully for Pakistan's bowlers – will get no closer to the action tomorrow than his pitch-side commentator duties with Fox Cricket.

Warner flogged Shaheen and Pakistan's other bowlers to all parts of Adelaide Oval in compiling his highest Test score, an unbeaten 335 which included a second-wicket stand of 361 with incumbent ODI batter Marnus Labuschagne.

It was a haunting repeat of recent history for Pakistan after Warner (179 off 129 balls) and then-opening partner Travis Head (129 off 137) blasted an Australia ODI record first-wicket partnership of 284.

It was Head's second outing as opener in the 50-over format, a position he would be filling tomorrow but for paternity leave granted for this month's arrival of his second child with wife Jessica.

In place of that dynamic duo of left-handers will be equally destructive right-hand pair Matt Short and Jake Fraser-McGurk, but the revamped Australia batting order has offered hope for Pakistan's pace men.

Naseem Shah, who like Shaheen has been recalled for this current ODI and T20I tour after being axed from Pakistan's Test squad, believes his team will once again rely on their fast-bowling stocks in a bid to level the three-match series.

After Pakistan's batters posted a below-par total of 203 at the MCG last Monday, pacemen Haris Rauf (3-67) and Mohammad Hasnain (1-51) dragged their team back into the game by claiming 4-16 in 33 deliveries before Pat Cummins guided Australia home.

"We discussed all the things we did like mistakes in the batting and we will try to do better," Naseem said prior to Pakistan's training session at Adelaide Oval on Thursday.

"The bowling effort was fantastic and we will try to do it again.

"We learned lots of things from that game and we will try to utilise in the next game."

Should Pakistan look to their past visits to Adelaide for inspiration for Friday's encounter, they might focus on Babar Azam's century (off 109 balls) in the Warner-dominated ODI of 2017.

Facing potentially the same front line attack as Australia might field tomorrow – quicks Mitchell Starc, Cummins and Josh Hazlewood plus spinner Adam Zampa – Babar's hundred briefly raised the prospect of a remarkable Pakistan run chase.

Another casualty of the Test-squad cull during the recent home series against England, Babar scored 37 (from 44 deliveries) before losing his off-stump to Zampa in his international return.

However, he can expect friendlier batting conditions at Adelaide Oval after Australia wicketkeeper-batter Josh Inglis described the MCG track for last Monday's game as "a bit two-paced with indifferent bounce".

Naseem took part in Thursday's match eve training session after succumbing to cramp in his return to international cricket at the MCG, with a Pakistan team spokesman confirming all members of the touring party are fit and available.

"Our strength is our whole team," Naseem said today.

"We have to bat well and then bowl well.

"We have some quality batsmen and good bowlers as well, so we will fight in the next game and we will try and win.

"We always play for a win."

Yes. Nothing to worry about. The ghosts from Pakistan's past aren't playing so easy victory ahead.

Afterall that was the only reason pakistan kept getting owned by Australia. Not because of the fact that their outmatched in every metric possible.
 
So a wicket for fast bowlers is that why Rizwan opting for pacers makes sense
 
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Pakistan will only make one change, Faisal Akram for Hasnain. Openers will get another match before one of them is dropped.
 
Yes. Nothing to worry about. The ghosts from Pakistan's past aren't playing so easy victory ahead.

Afterall that was the only reason pakistan kept getting owned by Australia. Not because of the fact that their outmatched in every metric possible.
Ghosts been replaced by the Devils, lots of fire power in Aussie batting.
 
Ghosts been replaced by the Devils, lots of fire power in Aussie batting.
Steve smith is still their as well. He was dominating pak in 2014-2015
 
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Pakistan bowled very well in 1st ODI.

If batters can post 260-300, Pakistan can win.
Tbh pak managed to get those wickets because of the short ball ploy and long boundaries.Adelaide has short square boundaries so anything short will get tonked out of the ground by the aussies.IMO pak needs a min of 330 to have any thoughts of winning.
 
has pak annonced the playing xi for tommorows match
As per media speculations only one change, Faisal Akram to replace Hasnain. Quite logical as openers will need another opportunity to be fair to them, but Shafique in particular has poor technique, Saim needs to learn to combine the art of playing the situation and also playing to his strength.
 
Tbh pak managed to get those wickets because of the short ball ploy and long boundaries.Adelaide has short square boundaries so anything short will get tonked out of the ground by the aussies.IMO pak needs a min of 330 to have any thoughts of winning.
Naseem said in an interview that they bowled short as length bowl was not doing much, and that they have learnt from the match. Let's see, after all they do have an Aussie coach to give them tips for Aussie pitches and grounds.
 
As per media speculations only one change, Faisal Akram to replace Hasnain. Quite logical as openers will need another opportunity to be fair to them, but Shafique in particular has poor technique, Saim needs to learn to combine the art of playing the situation and also playing to his strength.
Abdullah shafique has a good technique in the sense that his grip strength, and footwork are good.

He's a poor batsmen because not only has he not practised his strokes, but his reactions are slower then molasses.

These lbw's or easy knicks are happening cause he's half asleep at times. Infact it seems like he can't even properly react to anything 140 and >.

Your technique is useless. 90% of batters have good techniques it's nothing new, as it's the first thing taught in academies.

Very few batters have unorthodox or unusual techniques but have been widely successful such as chanderpaul, Steve smith, sehwag etc.

Abdullah's technique is useless if he has limited stroke play and poor reactions.
 
As per media speculations only one change, Faisal Akram to replace Hasnain. Quite logical as openers will need another opportunity to be fair to them, but Shafique in particular has poor technique, Saim needs to learn to combine the art of playing the situation and also playing to his strength.
if abd shafique was in india he wouldnot have been even in a ranji team.Our state kashmir has better club level batsmen than abd shafique.
 
Yes. Nothing to worry about. The ghosts from Pakistan's past aren't playing so easy victory ahead.

Afterall that was the only reason pakistan kept getting owned by Australia. Not because of the fact that their outmatched in every metric possible.
Well its same for australia bro do you think they will be able to play sajid and nauman in pak tests they will get nightmares just like so called english bazball got from them.
 
Well its same for australia bro do you think they will be able to play sajid and nauman in pak tests they will get nightmares just like so called english bazball got from them.
Yes and no. England is genuinely clueless against spin besides root and root didn't kick off.

Labu, Smith and Travis don't really struggle as much.

But yes in those spin nightmare pitches they'll struggle. It'll depend on who bats first. Pakiatan got lucky with the toss in 2nd and 3rd test.

But Australia is putting up a fight unlike England.
 
Yes and no. England is genuinely clueless against spin besides root and root didn't kick off.

Labu, Smith and Travis don't really struggle as much.

But yes in those spin nightmare pitches they'll struggle. It'll depend on who bats first. Pakiatan got lucky with the toss in 2nd and 3rd test.

But Australia is putting up a fight unlike England.
Bro last test england batted first still lost the match i agree aus might play spin better than england but sajid and noman will still be dangerous on those kind of pitches.
 
Bro last test england batted first still lost the match i agree aus might play spin better than england but sajid and noman will still be dangerous on those kind of pitches.
Sorry my bad, You're right pak batted 2nd in the 3rd test.

I don't disagree sajid and nouman won't be a nightmare. Infact if pakistan wins I wouldn't be surprised.

However ik for a fact aus is giving australia a much tougher fight then England.

Moat English batters only avg 28 to 38 against spin and some of those numbers are inflated due to minnow bashing.

Root is an exception.

Australia doesn't have that problem. If you're talking about Afghanistan, that's mostly due to farooqi usually ripping the top order in half on both occasions.
 
Bro last test england batted first still lost the match i agree aus might play spin better than england but sajid and noman will still be dangerous on those kind of pitches.
And bro i want ask you one thing will pak play both sajid and noman in south africa tests these two will be quite handful there with bowling and lower order runs?
 
And bro i want ask you one thing will pak play both sajid and noman in south africa tests these two will be quite handful there with bowling and lower order runs?
Ashwin and Jadeja are 2 spinners who are fantastic in India but have horrible records in SA and get exposed because the pitch virtually offers nothing.

Sajid and Nouman are terrific spinners but they do require helpful conditons. Almost all spinners do . Their very few spinners in history who have dominated on flat decks like Warne, Murli etc. And that's mostly because Warne had one heck of a flipper that came onto with pace and murli was magic(and maybe a chucker lol)

Regardless they will 100% go as pcb don't have many options, but I do think sajid and Nouman won't be as effective in sa.
 
And bro i want ask you one thing will pak play both sajid and noman in south africa tests these two will be quite handful there with bowling and lower order runs?
The only venue I've ever seen offer genuine help to spinners is Durban.

Good thing is Sajid and Nomi bhai can contribute with bat as well and if we're playing in Durban there's a case for them to play together.

Otherwise no , only one will play and may be not even one if it's a green top.
 
Ashwin and Jadeja are 2 spinners who are fantastic in India but have horrible records in SA and get exposed because the pitch virtually offers nothing.

Sajid and Nouman are terrific spinners but they do require helpful conditons. Almost all spinners do . Their very few spinners in history who have dominated on flat decks like Warne, Murli etc. And that's mostly because Warne had one heck of a flipper that came onto with pace and murli was magic(and maybe a chucker lol)

Regardless they will 100% go as pcb don't have many options, but I do think sajid and Nouman won't be as effective in sa.
Ya fair enough bro great points as always india homemade bully ashwin would sit out on the bench in sa tests mostly.
 
The only venue I've ever seen offer genuine help to spinners is Durban.

Good thing is Sajid and Nomi bhai can contribute with bat as well and if we're playing in Durban there's a case for them to play together.

Otherwise no , only one will play and may be not even one if it's a green top.
Oh ok bro got it but i still think pak should take that gamble and play these 2 guys you never know south africa batting can crumble against spin anytime.
 
Australia has a good bowling attack but terrible batting line up.

I wouldn't be surprised if Pakistan win based on the fact that Australia can't bat.

And if reports are to be true, the 3rd ODI is a genuine chance for Pakistan to win the series because Starc, Cummins and Hazelwood will all be rested for 3rd ODI.

The only question is can Pakistan batsmen break out of their shell and attack?

Looking at Rizwan batting last match, unlikely.

Fingers crossed, though.
 
Hoping for a big score here, the pakistan players normally do well here in Adelaide:

  • Sarfraz Ahmed: averages 110
  • Babar Azam: averages 100
  • Sharjeel Khan: averages 79

lets see what can Rizwan do.
 
Hoping for a big score here, the pakistan players normally do well here in Adelaide:

  • Sarfraz Ahmed: averages 110
  • Babar Azam: averages 100
  • Sharjeel Khan: averages 79

lets see what can Rizwan do.
Sharjeel’s innings was bomb. Off 47 balls I think, he did justice to white ball standards. The kind of innings that earns you respect from the likes of Warner and Maxwell.

A run a ball 50 or hundred won’t cut it for me. I want to see an 120 ball 160 from Saim Ayub.
 
Apparently a big disagreement between team management and selection committee.

Selectors want a spinner to replace Hasnain but Rizwan wants an unchanged team.
It seems like the team management which this Babar and Rizwan are very poor in selecting the team 11.
they always want a unchanged team. Selection committee taking it on their hands is a great move.
Adelaide pitch is the only pitch that helps spin a little bit compared to other pitch like Perth , Brisbane , MCG and SCG
 
In a recent interview at a local news channel, former Pakistan cricketer Sikandar Bakht pointed out:

"Babar and Rizwan are currently the most senior players in the team, yet they never stand as a pillar for the team during tough times. I've been saying it for a while—Pakistan had only one true match-winner in ODIs… Fakhar Zaman, and he’s been dropped from the team."

"Pakistani batsmen play with fear, while on the same pitch and against the same bowling, Naseem Shah showed courage with the bat, proving that cricket is meant to be played with bravery."
 
We are in big trouble if Hazelwood Cummins and Starc all 3 play. No matter the pitch we won't be able to score highly against then and instead lose wickets due to their tight line and length, high pace, quality short balls, early movement, Yorkers, etc.
 
Dot balls loading. #papi
 

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Unfortunate for Sahibzada that he hasnt been chosen for odi series. His strength is the longer format, not t20s but hopefully after this series, he'll come in for one of the openers.
 
Imam, Fakhar, Usman, Sahibzada, Saud, will all be doing 2 nafil shukranay from home.

We might see couple of changes for south Africa series likely.
 
but we need someone experienced down the order... Arafat minhas would be under pressure as he will playing his 1st match and that too against Australia.. so we cant expect much from him tbh.
Which experienced batter have we got that I havent included ?
 
Starc and Cummins will already play. They have called Hazlewood as well.

I think Australia are ready to thrash Pakistan completely in this ODI to wrap up the series. There's a reason why they want to rest at least 6 of their senior players in the 3rd ODI. Cause they know series will be wrapped up in the 2nd ODI. That's why they will be playing full strength side here.
 
thats why I keep thinking our best chance to win 1 game and potentially have a crack at series was winning first odi that got so close. Australia will come hard and wrap up series today.
Last ODI we will again get chance to win one game with Australia B team but it won't be of much value once its dead rubber, and not much use in terms of prep for champions trophy where no one will play B teams.
 
Last time Warner played in Adelaide against Pakistan in this format he scored 179. But not before getting dropped of the first ball.

Expect a carnage batting display from Australia tomorrow. Have a feeling one of the openers of Australia will go big.
 
send Husnain to Pakistan at his own expense and bring in Fakhar on a business class to Australia
 
Saud or Kamran should open. One of Shafique or Saim needs to be dropped. Saim is clueless while Shafique never cashes in similar to Asad Shafiq. Rizwan needs to bat at 5 and one of Saud/Kamran should bat at 4. Aamer Jamal needs to play regardless of who he comes in for.
 
Saud or Kamran should open. One of Shafique or Saim needs to be dropped. Saim is clueless while Shafique never cashes in similar to Asad Shafiq. Rizwan needs to bat at 5 and one of Saud/Kamran should bat at 4. Aamer Jamal needs to play regardless of who he comes in for.
Saud isn't in the squad?
 
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