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Both look international material, but Avesh looks much more lethal.

Yes, he's much elder(4 yrs) than Shaheen, but still he looks like a real deal.

I can already see Avesh being a good test bowler as well.

Exciting times ahead for us.

Anyways, let's see as to how these 2 do for their country.

Atm

Avesh > Shaheen

Bhaiyon Hamera paas bhi bowler hai. PACE BOWLER.
 
Kohli said:
Both look international material, but Avesh looks much more lethal.

Yes, he's much elder(4 yrs) than Shaheen, but still he looks like a real deal.

I can already see Avesh being a good test bowler as well.

Exciting times ahead for us.

Anyways, let's see as to how these 2 do for their country.

Atm

Avesh > Shaheen

Bhaiyon Hamera paas bhi bowler hai. PACE BOWLER.
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Avesh is not even in the pecking order. Also, looks one dimensional with pace and length. I like the other kid Mavi better. Right now SHaheen is better than both. I watched him bowl in PSL. He has much better physical characteristics and variety.
 
What happened did Avesh Khan got a 5fer in Pyjama League? No matter how many fast bowlers we have we are still going to field trundlers like thakur, unadkat, sran, mohit. Don't waste your time. It's like saying we have the gun but we don't know how to fire because we are good at horse riding(batting).
 
rhony said:
Avesh is not even in the pecking order. Also, looks one dimensional with pace and length. I like the other kid Mavi better. Right now SHaheen is better than both. I watched him bowl in PSL. He has much better physical characteristics and variety.
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What's the height of Avesh?
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
What happened did Avesh Khan got a 5fer in Pyjama League? No matter how many fast bowlers we have we are still going to field trundlers like thakur, unadkat, sran, mohit. Don't waste your time. It's like saying we have the gun but we don't know how to fire because we are good at horse riding(batting).
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Not based on 5fer. Neither of the 2 have done anything notable.

Comparison is based on potential, and how they do in the future.
 
Today Avesh hurried the likes of Finch, Rahul and forced them into false shots.

Avesh needs to be seen in a few more matches. But he is definitely quicker than Shaheen. Regarding skills, it needs to be seen. So far, Avesh seems like a short of a length bowler with good pace and bounce. Pretty much a replica of Plunkett I felt.

Lets see how he does in the next few games. But an impressive 1st match for him this year. Miles better than Unadkat, Siraj etc.
 
Kohli said:
Not based on 5fer. Neither of the 2 have done anything notable.

Comparison is based on potential, and how they do in the future.
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When was the last time you saw a talented under 19 guy making a debut for India?

Just like Sachin, Yuvi, Irfan, Kohli, Kaif did?
 
Kohli said:
Oops...Then I am shifting to Shaheen..Haha

Shaheen > Avesh
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Even though Shaheen got a phainty in the Under 19 World Cup final. I think because of the fast bowling culture in Pakistan he is going to win this race against Nagarkotti, Mavi etc. Same is true for young indian batsman. They have a better chance of succeeding when compare to young pakistani batsman.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
What happened did Avesh Khan got a 5fer in Pyjama League? No matter how many fast bowlers we have we are still going to field trundlers like thakur, unadkat, sran, mohit. Don't waste your time. It's like saying we have the gun but we don't know how to fire because we are good at horse riding(batting).
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:)))

Where is Nagarkoti though?
 
Too early at this stage to have a versus thread. Both can go on to be excellent cricketers or crash and burn, or one may succeed while the other falters. At the moment it's like shooting in the dark and hoping for the best.

However, the difference is Shaheen is four years younger and already in and around the Pakistani LOI setup. He has guys like Amir, Hasan, Junaid and Shinwari for company. Hard to assemble a better "coaching staff" than that. He will play under their tutelage for a while getting a game here or there until he is ready to be a regular part of the first eleven.


Avesh on the other hand has played his first IPL game just now (or maybe he has played before idk I saw the thread was made today so I assumed he debuted today and performed). It remains to be seen when Avesh is picked for the national side to further hone his skills. If he remains in the IPL/domestic circuit he will not really improve.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Even though Shaheen got a phainty in the Under 19 World Cup final. I think because of the fast bowling culture in Pakistan he is going to win this race against Nagarkotti, Mavi etc. Same is true for young indian batsman. They have a better chance of succeeding when compare to young pakistani batsman.
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Phainty in U-19 WC final? Wait...what?
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Even though Shaheen got a phainty in the Under 19 World Cup final. I think because of the fast bowling culture in Pakistan he is going to win this race against Nagarkotti, Mavi etc. Same is true for young indian batsman. They have a better chance of succeeding when compare to young pakistani batsman.
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Bhaag bhahi pakistan didnt play final in recent u19wc. He did get a phainty in semifinal though.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Even though Shaheen got a phainty in the Under 19 World Cup final. I think because of the fast bowling culture in Pakistan he is going to win this race against Nagarkotti, Mavi etc. Same is true for young indian batsman. They have a better chance of succeeding when compare to young pakistani batsman.
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What happened to Babar vs Unmukt?
Sanju vs Hussain?
Aslam vs Sarfaraz Khan?
The recent trends have shown that India have wasted so many U19 talents
 
Syed1 said:
Too early at this stage to have a versus thread. Both can go on to be excellent cricketers or crash and burn, or one may succeed while the other falters. At the moment it's like shooting in the dark and hoping for the best.

However, the difference is Shaheen is four years younger and already in and around the Pakistani LOI setup. He has guys like Amir, Hasan, Junaid and Shinwari for company. Hard to assemble a better "coaching staff" than that. He will play under their tutelage for a while getting a game here or there until he is ready to be a regular part of the first eleven.


Avesh on the other hand has played his first IPL game just now (or maybe he has played before idk I saw the thread was made today so I assumed he debuted today and performed). It remains to be seen when Avesh is picked for the national side to further hone his skills. If he remains in the IPL/domestic circuit he will not really improve.
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No sorry.

The whole "setup, under XYZ's tutelage" etc only matters when we are talking about Bharat's team culture, not ours. Just ask Root!
 
Bleedgreen4ever said:
What happened to Babar vs Unmukt?
Sanju vs Hussain?
Aslam vs Sarfaraz Khan?
The recent trends have shown that India have wasted so many U19 talents
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All of them were batsmen which we have in plenty.Avesh is a phaast bowler who can hit 90mph.Massive difference.
 
Syed1 said:
Too early at this stage to have a versus thread. Both can go on to be excellent cricketers or crash and burn, or one may succeed while the other falters. At the moment it's like shooting in the dark and hoping for the best.

However, the difference is Shaheen is four years younger and already in and around the Pakistani LOI setup. He has guys like Amir, Hasan, Junaid and Shinwari for company. Hard to assemble a better "coaching staff" than that. He will play under their tutelage for a while getting a game here or there until he is ready to be a regular part of the first eleven.


Avesh on the other hand has played his first IPL game just now (or maybe he has played before idk I saw the thread was made today so I assumed he debuted today and performed). It remains to be seen when Avesh is picked for the national side to further hone his skills. If he remains in the IPL/domestic circuit he will not really improve.
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Bumrah and Bhuvi improved a lot while playing in IPL.Most of the IPL teams have international bowlers, good trainers and support staff.So there are plenty of opportunities to improve.
 
Two things will determine their fate-one is injuries and the other is their attitude. If they have luck with injuries and have a good attitude, they will go far.
 
How many Indian pacers remain 90 mph after 2 or 3 years of consecutive International cricket?
 
Eagle_Eye said:
How many Indian pacers remain 90 mph after 2 or 3 years of consecutive International cricket?
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At present Yadav Bumrah and Shami. The phenomenon you are referring to ended with Munaf Patel and the sacking of Venkatesh Prasad.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
How many Indian pacers remain 90 mph after 2 or 3 years of consecutive International cricket?
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Looks like you are still in the 90's. Btw, the same can be said about most fast bowlers. Its silly to expect any fast bowler to be bowling at 90mph throughout. Ofcourse the likes of Shoaib and Lee were exceptions.
 
Avesh Khan has ordinary FC and List A stats. Don't see ANY reason for the hype.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Afridi has played 2 FC games. Why is he hyped?
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Afridi has a better FC average than Avesh, in fact a brilliant average of 17. He bowled a special spell in PSL, took a 5-fer in a T20 game, which is a big deal for any youngster at his age. Bowled an economical spell on his International debut against WI. Had bowled a special spell in the U19 WC against Ireland. Some few special ingredients, hence hyped.
 
Mercurial said:
Afridi has a better FC average than Avesh, in fact a brilliant average of 17. He bowled a special spell in PSL, took a 5-fer in a T20 game, which is a big deal for any youngster at his age. Bowled an economical spell on his International debut against WI. Had bowled a special spell in the U19 WC against Ireland. Some few special ingredients, hence hyped.
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SSA has played 2 FC matches. Thats nothing.

SSA bowled to Indian U19 batsman. He was good but not exceptional as you are claiming to be.
 
cricketjoshila said:
SSA has played 2 FC matches. Thats nothing.

SSA bowled to Indian U19 batsman. He was good but not exceptional as you are claiming to be.
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Not SSA's fault, some of the Indian under 19 batsman were exceptionally great at this level and potential to become great international level batsmen, particularly Shaw, what a talent.
 
This is the first time I am hearing about the other guy, Is he the same bowler from U-19?
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
This is the first time I am hearing about the other guy, Is he the same bowler from U-19?
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I think you are confusing Avesh with Nagorkoti. Havent heard about both of them since quite a while.

Anyway, Shaheen is miles ahead.
 
wasnt this guy smacked right left and centre in IPL. The pacer from KKR Mavi looked much better then him this guy I doubt will ever play international cricket.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Yes. Why is he hyped? Watch the match to know more.
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I watched Prithvi Shaw and Shubman Gill play him 6 months back and he didnot do anything exceptional. Shubhman Gill scored a better than run a ball century.
 
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cricketjoshila said:
I watched Prithvi Shaw and Shubman Gill play him 6 months back and he didnot do anything exceptional. Shubhman Gill scored a better than run a ball century.
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Don’t be jealous bro. He was the most defficult to pace on that day as well. He had a good wc for a reason. If you are denying the potential of this kid then I will just call it ignorance.
 
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Avesh is not even part of India A team. We still have Thakur playing in the A team :facepalm:
 
DRsohail said:
Don’t be jealous bro. He was the most defficult to pace on that day as well. He had a good wc for a reason. If you are denying the potential of this kid then I will just call it ignorance.
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He went for 60 plus in 10 overs and was not that great. The other pacer who was bowling quick was causing all the trouble.
 
cricketjoshila said:
I watched Prithvi Shaw and Shubman Gill play him 6 months back and he didnot do anything exceptional. Shubhman Gill scored a better than run a ball century.
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Gill was caught of a no-ball and dropped on the last ball of the match (where he scored his hundred).

Not to mention, SSA had an early chance of his also dropped within the first ten overs.

That SF was a carbon copy of the WC 11'.
 
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troodon said:
Avesh is not even part of India A team. We still have Thakur playing in the A team :facepalm:
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You have to do something worthwhile in domestics to be in A team.Avesh hasnt done much yet.He has the pace but need to develop other skills.
 
ManFan said:
Gill was caught of a no-ball and dropped on the last ball of the match (where he scored his hundred).

Not to mention, SSA had an early chance of his also dropped within the first ten overs.

That SF was a carbon copy of the WC 11'.
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Fakhar Zaman was also caught on a No-ball in CT.End result matters, not hypothetical situations.
 
ManFan said:
Gill was caught of a no-ball and dropped on the last ball of the match (where he scored his hundred).

Not to mention, SSA had an early chance of his also dropped within the first ten overs.

That SF was a carbon copy of the WC 11'.
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i saw the whole match and he was'nt able to trouble the indian batsman.It may be shahin's day off but he was'nt good that day.
pakistan got all out on 69 how was it a carbon copy of 2011.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
i saw the whole match and he was'nt able to trouble the indian batsman.It may be shahin's day off but he was'nt good that day.
pakistan got all out on 69 how was it a carbon copy of 2011.
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It was a carbon copy because...

1) IND got off to a great start. In the U19 WC, they were 150 odd for 3 wickets down.

2) IND batted first and with fire in the first half while failing to accelerate and settled at the end with a below-par score, below 300. (Given their start).

3) Pakistani fielders dropped the main scorer multiple times (Tendulkar dropped five times and Gill with a drop and no-ball wicket).

4) Pakistani batsmen failed to handle the pressure and collapsed and in the U19 WC, it happened a lot faster than expected.

SSA had an off day but that’s not to say the Indian batsmen, particularly Gill got lucky. In fact, they played extremely well.
 
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Dingolfy said:
Fakhar Zaman was also caught on a No-ball in CT.End result matters, not hypothetical situations.
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Of course.

The scoreboard does not keep track of whether or not the batsman was dropped or caught off a no-ball.

But it helps in deciding the quality of the innings.
 
ManFan said:
It was a carbon copy because...

1) IND got off to a great start. In the U19 WC, they were 150 odd for 3 wickets down.

2) IND batted first and with fire in the first half while failing to accelerate and settled at the end with a below-par score, below 300. (Given their start).

3) Pakistani fielders dropped the main scorer multiple times (Tendulkar dropped five times and Gill with a drop and no-ball wicket).

4) Pakistani batsmen failed to handle the pressure and collapsed and in the U19 WC, it happened a lot faster than expected.

SSA had an off day but that’s not to say the Indian batsmen, particularly Gill got lucky. In fact, they played extremely well.
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No Ball is not a wicket.
 
Watched Avesh live this IPL. He was aag. Was bowling faster than Boult and Plunkett for sure. But bowled little too short.
 
Strange comparison. Avesh is yet to play for India and Shaheen has already played for Pakistan. Avesh has good potential, so do Nagarkoti and Mavi but unless they play for the national side, there should not be any comparisons.
 
Is there any footage available of the Indian bowler in Question? FC games or List A??
 
Afridi much ahead at this moment as international wickets against a team like Australia counts better than any domestic league. Avesh might be faster than him but his length is pretty short and copped a lot punishment in IPL due to that. Also I dont think his domestic stats are anything great.But he is only 21 and was already hitting 149 clicks in IPL. So pace and age is on his side, need to master some skills
 
Dingolfy said:
Afridi much ahead at this moment as international wickets against a team like Australia counts better than any domestic league. Avesh might be faster than him but his length is pretty short and copped a lot punishment in IPL due to that. Also I dont think his domestic stats are anything great.But he is only 21 and was already hitting 149 clicks in IPL. So pace and age is on his side, need to master some skills
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Shaheen hits around 145KPH at the age of 18. Even the commies mentioned that in the last match. I dont where this Avesh is faster theory comes from.
 
Never heard of that Avesh Khan, is that the guy ? He operates in the late 70s ? Or did he gain pace since his U19 days ?

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enkidu_ said:
Never heard of that Avesh Khan, is that the guy ? He operates in the late 70s ? Or did he gain pace since his U19 days ?

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IIRC, he was touching 90s in the IPL
 
I don't know a lot about Khan but I think it's an unfair compairson as 1 is playing international cricket and the other isn't. We can only guess how Khan will do at international level. Just because Shaheen performed against Australia doesn't guarantee he will be successful at international level.
 
Hasan123 said:
I don't know a lot about Khan but I think it's an unfair compairson as 1 is playing international cricket and the other isn't. We can only guess how Khan will do at international level. Just because Shaheen performed against Australia doesn't guarantee he will be successful at international level.
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But surely, as things stand, Shaheen seems to be on a higher trajectory.

I am not talking about potential, but achievement to date. Khan might or might not achieve more, but as of now, Shaheen needs to get benefit of doubt.

Having said that, why do we need to compare two kids? This comparison was made when neither of them had played international cricket, or even the same tournament. If both of them had played the IPL or PSL, then there was an argument. A proper comparison can only made after 1 year of regular international cricket. Otherwise, its only based on pace, ability to swing, the bowling action and stats of domestic competition (which cant be compared as they both play in different competitions).
 
Slim said:
Shaheen hits around 145KPH at the age of 18. Even the commies mentioned that in the last match. I dont where this Avesh is faster theory comes from.
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Did he hit 149 kph yet? Avesh has hit that speed in IPL and bowled many deliveries north of 145 kph.So unless Afridi breaks that speed, Avesh will remain faster.End of story.
 
People need to understanfld that shaheen have stiff bounce like morne morkel due to his height though he has the potentail to bowl in high 140s easily regulary

I don.t know about avesh so cannot say anything
 
Dingolfy said:
Did he hit 149 kph yet? Avesh has hit that speed in IPL and bowled many deliveries north of 145 kph.So unless Afridi breaks that speed, Avesh will remain faster.End of story.
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What speed was Avesh bowling when he was 18? Looking at his u19 speeds, it's not even a competition.

End of story.
 
OmarKhan99 said:
What speed was Avesh bowling when he was 18? Looking at his u19 speeds, it's not even a competition.

End of story.
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U19 speeds are not necessarily the point where you compare fast bowlers. Fast bowlers can get stronger up to 23-24 and will be at their fastest around 28, when a person reaches physical peak.

I read somewhere Shoaib gained that extra 5 mph after 18.
 
Sidilicious said:
U19 speeds are not necessarily the point where you compare fast bowlers. Fast bowlers can get stronger up to 23-24 and will be at their fastest around 28, when a person reaches physical peak.

I read somewhere Shoaib gained that extra 5 mph after 18.
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That's exactly the point.

Following the general trend Shaheen should get faster than what he is bowling at the moment. He is already reaching speeds of 145 kph. So you can't directly compare the speeds of Avesh (at 21) and Shaheen (at 18). That is utter nonsense.
 
OmarKhan99 said:
What speed was Avesh bowling when he was 18? Looking at his u19 speeds, it's not even a competition.

End of story.
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Lo.Extrapolation doesn't work in sports, dear friend. Where is the U 19 hero Anwar Ali now? How fast was Hassan Ali bowling in England Test series? Why did Amir slowed down from his pre-ban days? Afridi will be called faster than Avesh when he actually bowls faster than him.End of story.:amir3
 
Dingolfy said:
Lo.Extrapolation doesn't work in sports, dear friend. Where is the U 19 hero Anwar Ali now? How fast was Hassan Ali bowling in England Test series? Why did Amir slowed down from his pre-ban days? Afridi will be called faster than Avesh when he actually bowls faster than him.End of story.:amir3
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Look, when you talk about potential, you always extrapolate.
 
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Why can't we produce a bowler of Shaheen Shah Afridi's caliber?

Sick of these Unadkat, Sran, Thakur, Kaur, Chahar, Shankar.

We've played so many youngsters and not a single bowler looks to be of Shaheen level.

Whereas Pakistan gave a cap to one and he's already above all.

Population of 125+ cr and this😢

I am not even counting their main bowlers like Amir, Hassan, Junaid or their second level like Usman and Raees.
 
Stop this hype man .first shaheen do some thing of notice than we can hype him
 
Bumrah is class mavi and nagarkoti are also good.India is producing world standard pacers for the first time in their history don’t be greedy now
 
saeed5646 said:
Stop this hype man .first shaheen do some thing of notice than we can hype him
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Looking at what our Trundlers are have to offer off lateit looks as if Shaheen has already won a WC.

Coming to the performance.

Match 1 against AUS, top wicket taker.(FINCH, MAXWELL and SHORT)
Match 2 against AUS, the most economical bowler, when FINCH and SHORT was going berserk.
 
Shami and Bhubaneswar are best opening pair in test cricket from Asia right now Indian pace bowling is in very good health have you forgotten the Ganesh and kurivilla days
 
Let him achieve something substantial first
 
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