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Azhar Ali and Tim Paine: The career parallels are striking!

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Anybody would think that Azhar Ali and Tim Paine have had wildly different careers.

Azhar Ali has played 77 Tests and has scored almost 6000 Test runs. Tim Paine has played just 30 Tests and has just under 1300 runs and 125 catches.

And yet their careers have followed one another so closely, it's unbelievable.

The two players are basically almost identical in official age - Paine has just had his 35th birthday while Azhar's will follow 73 days later.

Early days
This was reflected in them both making their Test debuts in England in the fateful summer of 2010, amid the spotfixing dramas and Ijaz Butt's theatrics.

Tim Paine was even ahead of Steve Smith - who debuted in the same Lords Test - as the anointed one in Australian cricket. He was a gifted batsman as well as Australia's best glovesman since Ian Healy, and he was being groomed to replace Brad Haddin.

Tim Paine's world collapsed on 21 November 2010 when he suffered a serious finger injury. He didn't play another Test for 7 years, in which time his right index finger had multiple operations, with the insertion of 8 nails and a metal plate, as well as two bone grafts.

When injury struck, these were the respective records of the two young internationals:

Tim Paine: 4 Tests, highest score 92, 287 runs at an average of 35.87.
Azhar Ali: 8 Tests, highest score 92 not out, 410 runs at an average of 31.53.


Azhar scores a mountain of runs while Paine's career looks over
Seven long years passed before Tim Paine played another Test. He had permanently lost the sensation in his right index finger apart from the pain he felt brushing his teeth, holding a pen or getting dressed.

Meanwhile Azhar Ali had seven fruitful years, driven by averaging almost 60 in the UAE. During Paine's wilderness years, Azhar was nurtured almost as if he was a youngster by Misbah-ul-Haq and Younis Khan, and he scored 4558 runs at 49.01 overall.

A new beginning for them both
Azhar Ali had been treated almost like a talented youngster during the Misbah years, but when Misbah retired in 2017 the reality is that Azhar Ali - even at his official age - was one of the oldest batsmen in the world.

When Azhar played his next Test at the end of September 2017, he was suddenly the senior batsman and expected to take responsibility.

Within a month, something unexpected happened in Australia. The Test team had been rebooted after a horrific home series defeat by South Africa the previous summer, and Tim Paine was suddenly recalled as the wicketkeeper to bring his well-known leadership skills to a young team skippered by Steve Smith, who was a rather absorbed, detached skipper.

These are the Test records of Azhar Ali and Tim Paine since their careers entered this new stage at the age of 32, right up to the present day.

Tim Paine: 26 matches, 1008 runs at 30.54.
Azhar Ali: 17 matches, 917 runs at 28.65.

Captains, at an age when their contemporaries had already retired
Within six months, the ball-tampering saga saw Paine elevated to the national captaincy, at the age of 33 years and 4 months.

He has never really been fully embraced as skipper in Australia, even though he is universally recognised as the best keeper for decades and the best available leader. The problem is that at his advanced age now everyone can see that his batting has slipped and that Alex Carey is capable of scoring more runs. Paine himself at every interview repeats that at his age, his place in the team is a series-by-series proposition, and that as soon as he stops performing he will retire. He even refuses to commit to remaining skipper until the World Test Championship Final in June 2020.

Azhar Ali could not be more different. He was only appointed skipper 12 weeks before his 35th birthday, and he has had the following averages in his last 4 Test series outside Asia:

3.00
16.75
9.83
15.50

So similar, but so different.

One sees himself as a stopgap, the other sees himself as the long-term skipper.
 
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Azhar Ali has a problem - his team is not blessed with that many match winners (just 1) - Tim Paine has a few of them.
 
Tim paine became a captain by force of choice. Smithy or Warner sould have been the captain. Rest are still finding their feet. Probably if Shaun Marsh or Finch had been regulars they would have been captaining the side. Azhar Ali just got it because of experience i suppose. It should be Babar that is leading the side. There is a risk of him going Root's , Faf's way. You have to hope he goes Kohli's, Holders way.
 
Great post

It also reflects the mindset of Pakistanis. Azhar is very selfish. He thinks of himself, and not Pakistan.
 
One has taken his team to #2 of Test Championship and the other to #3. Top blokes too.
 
Azhar Ali has a problem - his team is not blessed with that many match winners (just 1) - Tim Paine has a few of them.

Yeah, but likewise, the expectation of Azhar isn't to keep the team at #1 like it is for Tim Paine. We just expect Azhar to keep the team competitive (compete in every game they play and not be rolled over), maybe be top 5 or so.
 
Great post

It also reflects the mindset of Pakistanis. Azhar is very selfish. He thinks of himself, and not Pakistan.

Yeah, but likewise, the expectation of Azhar isn't to keep the team at #1 like it is for Tim Paine. We just expect Azhar to keep the team competitive (compete in every game they play and not be rolled over), maybe be top 5 or so.
It’s partly cultural, isn’t it?

Everybody knows that Paine is so old that he’s just a stopgap captain and will be dumped as soon as he stops scoring regular runs. Even Rishabh Pant sledged him as the “temporary captain” the month of his 34th birthday.

Azhar Ali was appointed as the long-term captain aged 34 years and 9 months, after 3 consecutive away series averaging under 20.

In the Aussie system and culture, Azhar Ali would have been dropped forever. Instead Pakistan promoted him to the long-term captaincy.
 
Tim Paine's career is exactly like Azhar Ali's, minus all the noteworthy achievements.
 
Tim Paine's career is exactly like Azhar Ali's, minus all the noteworthy achievements.

1. Captain your team to an away Ashes victory.

2. Captain your team to the Top Two ranking which qualifies you for the World Test Championship Final.

3. Return from career-threatening injury to win your Test place back from someone else so good that he stays in the team as a specialist batsman.

4. After the age of 32, keep your batting average within 4 of its old level (Paine) rather than dropping by 18 runs per innings (Azhar).

5. Avoid averaging 3.00 against Ireland, or 9.83 in South Africa.
 
Tim Paine is more talented than Azhar Ali.

He also did something that Ricky Ponting, Michael Clarke, and Steven Smith couldn't (retaining Ashes in England).
 
Great post

It also reflects the mindset of Pakistanis. Azhar is very selfish. He thinks of himself, and not Pakistan.

Azhar Ali is one of the most selfless, humble and chivalrous cricket to come out of Pakistan, his talent might be questioned but his commitment to the cause cannot be scaled down.

In carrier spanning over 10 years he has never been involved any sort of controversies both on and off the field (Same with Asad Shafiq) and that's a rarity with Pakistan cricket, he has always punched above his weight and performed well, there were loss of form and that's acceptable even the best players go through that phase. The best part is he stays focused and comes back stronger.
 
Azhar Ali is one of the most selfless, humble and chivalrous cricket to come out of Pakistan, his talent might be questioned but his commitment to the cause cannot be scaled down.

In carrier spanning over 10 years he has never been involved any sort of controversies both on and off the field (Same with Asad Shafiq) and that's a rarity with Pakistan cricket, he has always punched above his weight and performed well, there were loss of form and that's acceptable even the best players go through that phase. The best part is he stays focused and comes back stronger.
I agree, but that’s not the problem.

Azhar Ali has been an honest, hardworking and dedicated cricketer.

But he is a product of a culture which values seniority, and he cannot see that he is now the world’s second oldest international batsman (just behind Ross Taylor) because all his contemporaries like Alastair Cook retired when age dulled their performances.

You talk about Azhar punching above his weight. But that stopped in 2017. Since then he has been a burden, dragging down his team because he is a liability outside Asia now that his reflexes have gone.

He should have retired with dignity after the South Africa tour.

I can’t imagine that if Paine’s performances had deteriorated to the same extent that either the player or the selectors would choose to carry on.

I don’t think Azhar is selfish. I think he is a product of his culture and honestly - but wrongly - thinks that his slump outside Asia is reversible.
 
Great post

It also reflects the mindset of Pakistanis. Azhar is very selfish. He thinks of himself, and not Pakistan.
Pathetic post. Says the guy who is Ahmed Shehzad supporter and trashing a guy who averages over 40, has scored double ton in Aus, took us to historic 4th innings chase and many more achievements.

So much hate in your heart. Amazing.

Azhar Ali is one of the most selfless, humble and chivalrous cricket to come out of Pakistan, his talent might be questioned but his commitment to the cause cannot be scaled down.

In carrier spanning over 10 years he has never been involved any sort of controversies both on and off the field (Same with Asad Shafiq) and that's a rarity with Pakistan cricket, he has always punched above his weight and performed well, there were loss of form and that's acceptable even the best players go through that phase. The best part is he stays focused and comes back stronger.

Good post. He has been a key player for us.
 
Pathetic post. Says the guy who is Ahmed Shehzad supporter and trashing a guy who averages over 40, has scored double ton in Aus, took us to historic 4th innings chase and many more achievements.

So much hate in your heart. Amazing.



Good post. He has been a key player for us.

Ahmed Shehzad also averages over 40 in tests ;)
 
1. Captain your team to an away Ashes victory.

2. Captain your team to the Top Two ranking which qualifies you for the World Test Championship Final.

3. Return from career-threatening injury to win your Test place back from someone else so good that he stays in the team as a specialist batsman.

4. After the age of 32, keep your batting average within 4 of its old level (Paine) rather than dropping by 18 runs per innings (Azhar).

5. Avoid averaging 3.00 against Ireland, or 9.83 in South Africa.

1. I'm confident that Azhar Ali will win the next ashes that he plays.
2. Captaining your side to #3 is much more of an achievement with Pakistan's bowling attack than captaining a side with a fully established attack with plenty of experience.

The contrived and desperate nature of your next three points only goes to highlight what I said before.
 
The Aussie media today writing that Tim Paine has the third highest ever batting average for an Aussie Test wicketkeeper.

Only Gilchrist and Haddin are higher, and Healy and Marsh are actually lower!

So he probably has another 18 months left, until the World Test Championship Final.

Unless he starts to perform like Azhar Ali. In which case he will be dropped permanently by the selectors after one bad series.
 
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