Babar Azam, a prodigy or ultimately doomed to be a failure?

[Adil_94]

if u expect Babar to match the Tendulkars n Laras then yes u will be disappointed. He wont do that IMO. He can become a Pakistani Great and maybe ATG. But for a young Pakistani prospect he is doing more than fine

 

[righthander]

The majority of the threads I have seen here are extremes. Why does he have to be either? Can he not end up a very good batsmen, not a great? Also he is not a prodigy. Sachin was a prodigy, Nadia Comaneci was a prodigy. Don't raise your expectations so high, he has a lot of talent. He could develop into our best batsmen if he works extremely hard.

 

[Billy1999]

and babar is some how preventing it, is tht what you mean?

He is preventing it

 

[Abdullah719]

He averages 42 if you take out the WI scores.

But please continue.

But if you minus three from that, it's into the 30s!

And subtract another five, it's close to Hafeez and Malik!

Doomed to be a failure.

 

[mak36]

But if you minus three from that, it's into the 30s!

And subtract another five, it's close to Hafeez and Malik!

Doomed to be a failure.

Well said. He's 22- give him some time and then judge him. People seriously need to chill out.

 

[kingusama92]

But if you minus three from that, it's into the 30s!

And subtract another five, it's close to Hafeez and Malik!

Doomed to be a failure.

Trump has created a monster.

Alternative facts everywhere. Just making up numbers to prove a non-existant point.

 

[waleed88]

He averages 42 if you take out the WI scores.

But please continue.

Yes good on Babar for reaching that milestone of the 'appreciative 40..'

it was in the 30s before the Aussie ODI series, he did a big favor to himself getting those runs there, specially that 100, it really helped his cause at the expense of the team..

 

[Abdullah719]

Yes good on Babar for reaching that milestone of the 'appreciative 40..'

it was in the 30s before the Aussie ODI series, he did a big favor to himself getting those runs there, specially that 100, it really helped his cause at the expense of the team..

So let me get this straight.

We need to discount his runs against West Indies because they are a minnow.

We need to discount his runs against Australia because...

And we need to look at his first 10-15 games only...

To come to the conclusion that a 22-year-old will finish with a career similar to Hafeez and Malik.

 

[waleed88]

So let me get this straight.

We need to discount his runs against West Indies because they are a minnow.

We need to discount his runs against Australia because...

And we need to look at his first 10-15 games only...

To come to the conclusion that a 22-year-old will finish with a career similar to Hafeez and Malik.

Nope I said its good on Azam who got those runs, he ascertained his credibility as a batsman, but judging by how he did in the CT, you have to look back on those runs if they really helped the team or not.. they did against West Indies no doubt about it, but you have to a put question mark on his other performances that have come for the country with a bit of scrutiny... Is he really good as he is? Or he is flattering to deceive based on the stats he gathered against the Windies..

I don't discount his stats against the Aussie, it was a solid achievement, but they were of no consequence for the side, a side that had already accepted defeat and almost all players played for their averages in the final two games

 

[Abdullah719]

Nope I said its good on Azam who got those runs, he ascertained his credibility as a batsman, but judging by how he did in the CT, you have to look back on those runs if they really helped the team or not.. they did against West Indies no doubt about it, but you have to a put question mark on his other performances that have come for the country with a bit of scrutiny... Is he really good as he is? Or he is flattering to deceive based on the stats he gathered against the Windies..

I don't discount his stats against the Aussie, it was a solid achievement, but they were of no consequence for the side, a side that had already accepted defeat and almost all players played for their averages in the final two games

After 31 matches, Kohli had an average of 45 with 2 hundreds and 8 fifties. 2 hundreds and 7 fifties out of those were against BD, SL and WI.

If Babar with his current stats will end up like Hafeez and Malik, then Kohli should have, in theory ended up even worse than Hafeez and Malik!

 

[MMHS]

Nope I said its good on Azam who got those runs, he ascertained his credibility as a batsman, but judging by how he did in the CT, you have to look back on those runs if they really helped the team or not.. they did against West Indies no doubt about it, but you have to a put question mark on his other performances that have come for the country with a bit of scrutiny... Is he really good as he is? Or he is flattering to deceive based on the stats he gathered against the Windies..

I don't discount his stats against the Aussie, it was a solid achievement, but they were of no consequence for the side, a side that had already accepted defeat and almost all players played for their averages in the final two games

Why? I thought he played really well in CT.

Against SAF, was playing well until rain came, otherwise easily could have finished 85* at run a ball
Failed against IND & SRL, but played well in SF & Final as well. PAK openers played well in SF & Final & bowlers reduced the SF target to 211, otherwise he was in full command for another 85*, if the target was 280.

This is why me thinks, he should open instead of Azhar, which should give him full 50 overs to control the game from one end & others can play around him.

 

[MMHS]

Just for a comparison, before 2010, when luck gave MoHa a chance to come back & then he was among very few Pakistani to be benefited from 3/9, which forced PAK's home match on the dullest of wickets - MoHa had a career batting stats of <20/<60, for a career over 50 innings.

 

[MMHS]

Just for a comparison, before 2010, when luck gave MoHa a chance to come back & then he was among very few Pakistani to be benefited from 3/9, which forced PAK's home match on the dullest of wickets - MoHa had a career batting stats of <20/<60, for a career over 50 innings.

Here is the link - basically a tail-ender, who would have matches Saqline, Warne & Kumble in 90s - with bat that is.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...template=results;type=batting;view=cumulative


It's

48 48 1 874 92 18.59 1503 58.15 0 4 6 101 8 v South Africa 18 Oct 2007

before making a comeback at the courtesy of Butt ...

 

[waleed88]

Why? I thought he played really well in CT.

Against SAF, was playing well until rain came, otherwise easily could have finished 85* at run a ball
Failed against IND & SRL, but played well in SF & Final as well. PAK openers played well in SF & Final & bowlers reduced the SF target to 211, otherwise he was in full command for another 85*, if the target was 280.

This is why me thinks, he should open instead of Azhar, which should give him full 50 overs to control the game from one end & others can play around him.

He should open I agree, it could easily have been a 37 off 42 balls while playing an expansive off drive and a collapse for our batting lineup leading to a nailbiting chase

 

[waleed88]

After 31 matches, Kohli had an average of 45 with 2 hundreds and 8 fifties. 2 hundreds and 7 fifties out of those were against BD, SL and WI.

If Babar with his current stats will end up like Hafeez and Malik, then Kohli should have, in theory ended up even worse than Hafeez and Malik!

You have to look at what the player has to offer, this is a comparison like a similar one made when people said Ahmed Shehzad had 5-6 centuries in a time when Tendulkar didn't have any...

You look at the progression shown by the batsmen, Babar's progression is a downward spiral compared to Kohli's upwards..

The power hitting that Kohli possessed even as a youngster was just too good, which Babar will never have regardless of his numbers

 

[waleed88]

Umar had more chance of becoming Kohli, then Babar ever had..

 

[Abdullah719]

You have to look at what the player has to offer, this is a comparison like a similar one made when people said Ahmed Shehzad had 5-6 centuries in a time when Tendulkar didn't have any...

You look at the progression shown by the batsmen, Babar's progression is a downward spiral compared to Kohli's upwards..

The power hitting that Kohli possessed even as a youngster was just too good, which Babar will never have regardless of his numbers

Kohli's strike-rate after 31 matches was 80.

Babar's is 89.

Downward spiral in a sample size of 31 matches... where he scored a hundred six matches ago?

 

[waleed88]

Kohli's strike-rate after 31 matches was 80.

Babar's is 89.

Downward spiral in a sample size of 31 matches... where he scored a hundred six matches ago?

Aus,NZ,WI - successful

Srilanka,England and India - failure

He's failed more against the big teams

His average of 124 vs WI is a big outlier in his performance... we will have to see if he is as good as his numbers suggest, he isn't as far as I'm concerned

 

[waleed88]

My bad an average of 105*

 

[waleed88]

The fact that he is failing continously at the test level shows he doesn't have the attitude or the technique to apply himself... He was a failure in the West Indies, a damning predicament in his cricketing career, he likes it when the ball comes onto the bat, and he doesn't have to grind himself out of a tough spot...

He will struggle in any condition that is not flat as a chapati...

Which is why a career like Shoaib Malik and Hafeez is in the offer, both never made it big in Test Matches but have been outstanding in ODIs for the country..

However like Babar they fail in big tournaments too

 

[Abdullah719]

The fact that he is failing continously at the test level shows he doesn't have the attitude or the technique to apply himself...

Or, you know, it shows that young players struggle at the start of their careers sometimes...

He will struggle in any condition that is not flat as a chapati...

Yeah which is why his best Test innings to date has been on one of the toughest pitches he batted on...

 

[waleed88]

Or, you know, it shows that young players struggle at the start of their careers sometimes...



Yeah which is why his best Test innings to date has been on one of the toughest pitches he batted on...

Nope it was a flat track.. and it eased out for our tailenders to bat on too

 

[Abdullah719]

Nope it was a flat track.. and it eased out for our tailenders to bat on too

Thanks but I watched it live and I don't agree.

 

[Syed1]

Babar when he first comes to the crease take about 20 balls before he decides he needs to start scoring. This strategy can only work if there is someone like a Fakhar or a Sharjeel at the other end, otherwise if the other batsman is Azhar then Pakistan's run rate will plummet.

 

[MMHS]

He should open I agree, it could easily have been a 37 off 42 balls while playing an expansive off drive and a collapse for our batting lineup leading to a nailbiting chase

That was my point actually - he finished 2 chases as not outs, therefore I am not sure how this was a failure CT for him. Cricket is not gymnastics that you need to score a perfect 10 - what matters most is to see through a chase batting 2nd & set a target batting first, that you can defend.

The chasing part I explained, while in Final once openers put 128 @ 5.5, only way IND could have made a come back was 2/3 quick wickets to make it 147/3 or 153/4 - Babar put a partnership of 75+ to avoid that & the game was set. He played slowly but that was covered by his set partner - something always should be the case. This is exactly what Azhar didn't do against IND (1st match) & SRL - result was 2/3 wickets in quick succession once the flood gate was open.

As I said, ICC batting ranking considers lots of factors & after CT, Babar actually had a raise in point & position - can't be for a failed tournament.

 

[MMHS]

Nope it was a flat track.. and it eased out for our tailenders to bat on too

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/1019995.html

??????????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MMHS]

My bad an average of 105*

I think, you are over blowing the WI factor. His career stats are exceptionally good, because of WI indeed; but if it take out WI, SRL, ZIM & IRL - his stats against AUS, ENG, IND & SAF (haven't played against BD yet) stands at

Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s
unfiltered 2015-2017 31 31 4 1455 125* 53.88 1643 88.55 5 6 0 120 17
filtered 2015-2017 20 20 3 811 100 47.70 949 85.45 1 5 0 74 9

48/85 stats for 800+ runs in 20 innings with 6 innings of 50+ scores is quite good actually. Specially, if you consider 13 of the 20 innings are at away to ENG, AUS & NZ, while 3 against IND, SAF are at neutral venue (for argument, I take 4 ODI in UAE against ENG as home venue).

Compared to this, if I put Mian/MoHa's stats in AUS, UK & NZ .................... you know, it'll make you depressed

 

[waleed88]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/1019995.html

??????????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please check the scoring rate of the 3rd innings of the game 313 runs in 80 overs, and how we were 100/0 in the final innings of the match until we decided to commit hara-kiri..

The pitch had eased out on the 3rd day and as a result our bowlers were taken for plenty...
Also look at how Sohail Khan and our tailenders cashed in when batting was easier

 

[waleed88]

I think, you are over blowing the WI factor. His career stats are exceptionally good, because of WI indeed; but if it take out WI, SRL, ZIM & IRL - his stats against AUS, ENG, IND & SAF (haven't played against BD yet) stands at

Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s
unfiltered 2015-2017 31 31 4 1455 125* 53.88 1643 88.55 5 6 0 120 17
filtered 2015-2017 20 20 3 811 100 47.70 949 85.45 1 5 0 74 9

48/85 stats for 800+ runs in 20 innings with 6 innings of 50+ scores is quite good actually. Specially, if you consider 13 of the 20 innings are at away to ENG, AUS & NZ, while 3 against IND, SAF are at neutral venue (for argument, I take 4 ODI in UAE against ENG as home venue).

Compared to this, if I put Mian/MoHa's stats in AUS, UK & NZ .................... you know, it'll make you depressed

Mian Malik is averaging 50 at a Strike Rate of 90+ since his comeback... pointing out that these stats are considered achievable in this era

 

[waleed88]

Thanks but I watched it live and I don't agree.

I watched it too, later on in Pak innings the pitch was a pancake for our tailenders and Sarf to feast on, scoring rate in NZ's innings points to that, the grass was there but it had evened out in 3 days

 

[MMHS]

Mian Malik is averaging 50 at a Strike Rate of 90+ since his comeback... pointing out that these stats are considered achievable in this era

Again, not true - this is becoming boring for me now; expected better logic. Against same 5 opponents (AUS, ENG, IND, NZ, SAF), since return, in identical matches, Malik's stats are 34/88 with 2 innings of 50+ out of 17 - during a period, he had been at his magnificent most ............ this pointing out, the prediction of similarity between the two at the end of career isn't based on good logic.

PS: Here taking identical opponents is to filter out data bias - because Malik's average of 50+ has a big factor of WI as well; don't think you would like to add WI in both's stats.

Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s
unfiltered 1999-2017 252 228 36 6765 143 35.23 8278 81.72 9 39 13 558 99 P
filtered 2015-2017 17 16 3 443 77 34.07 503 88.07 0 2 0 29 11

 

[MMHS]

Please check the scoring rate of the 3rd innings of the game 313 runs in 80 overs, and how we were 100/0 in the final innings of the match until we decided to commit hara-kiri..

The pitch had eased out on the 3rd day and as a result our bowlers were taken for plenty...
Also look at how Sohail Khan and our tailenders cashed in when batting was easier

Don't you feel it's a bit idiotic to judge wicket for BD batsmen in morning session after a bit of rain, because Kohli & Rohit put 180 at run a ball in afternoon under scorching sun against a different attack?

3rd innings was played by NZ, who had a 50+ lead in a 2 Test series with 1-0 lead. They took cool 21 overs to reach 50 & 35 overs to reach 100 and 64 overs to reach 200. Once, they made sure that 1-0 is intact, they went after the bowling & one of your favorites were leading PAK in that Test ........ only possible out come was what we saw - wicket became flat.

The 1st 2 innings of that Test was played on genuine green top & PAK wasted the new ball which was confessed by Sohail after 1st innings, but Southee didn't & he is a master of such wicket - you can check his 1st spell against us at Cardiff with white ball. Sarfraz & Sohail threw bat in a desperate mood & got lucky few times, particularly Sohail. 5 specialist batsmen scored 31 in total in that same innings & without Babar's contribution, PAK was struggling to save follow on even against a total of 271 at 5/51.

On a side note, you tail-enders, including Rizwan cashed on lots of duck meat on that flat wicket, for which 8 innings reads

0, 0, 5, 6 - 13*, 0, 0, 0

 

[waleed88]

Don't you feel it's a bit idiotic to judge wicket for BD batsmen in morning session after a bit of rain, because Kohli & Rohit put 180 at run a ball in afternoon under scorching sun against a different attack?

3rd innings was played by NZ, who had a 50+ lead in a 2 Test series with 1-0 lead. They took cool 21 overs to reach 50 & 35 overs to reach 100 and 64 overs to reach 200. Once, they made sure that 1-0 is intact, they went after the bowling & one of your favorites were leading PAK in that Test ........ only possible out come was what we saw - wicket became flat.

The 1st 2 innings of that Test was played on genuine green top & PAK wasted the new ball which was confessed by Sohail after 1st innings, but Southee didn't & he is a master of such wicket - you can check his 1st spell against us at Cardiff with white ball. Sarfraz & Sohail threw bat in a desperate mood & got lucky few times, particularly Sohail. 5 specialist batsmen scored 31 in total in that same innings & without Babar's contribution, PAK was struggling to save follow on even against a total of 271 at 5/51.

On a side note, you tail-enders, including Rizwan cashed on lots of duck meat on that flat wicket, for which 8 innings reads

0, 0, 5, 6 - 13*, 0, 0, 0

Rizwan was in instead of Misbah, worse decision ever made in cricketing history, the guy is worse off than Sohail Khan

 

[waleed88]

Don't you feel it's a bit idiotic to judge wicket for BD batsmen in morning session after a bit of rain, because Kohli & Rohit put 180 at run a ball in afternoon under scorching sun against a different attack?

3rd innings was played by NZ, who had a 50+ lead in a 2 Test series with 1-0 lead. They took cool 21 overs to reach 50 & 35 overs to reach 100 and 64 overs to reach 200. Once, they made sure that 1-0 is intact, they went after the bowling & one of your favorites were leading PAK in that Test ........ only possible out come was what we saw - wicket became flat.

The 1st 2 innings of that Test was played on genuine green top & PAK wasted the new ball which was confessed by Sohail after 1st innings, but Southee didn't & he is a master of such wicket - you can check his 1st spell against us at Cardiff with white ball. Sarfraz & Sohail threw bat in a desperate mood & got lucky few times, particularly Sohail. 5 specialist batsmen scored 31 in total in that same innings & without Babar's contribution, PAK was struggling to save follow on even against a total of 271 at 5/51.

On a side note, you tail-enders, including Rizwan cashed on lots of duck meat on that flat wicket, for which 8 innings reads

0, 0, 5, 6 - 13*, 0, 0, 0

4th innings Sami played a similar knock to Babar, maybe even better than him... him and Azhar Ali made a apartnership of 131... but it was a flat track

 

[MMHS]

I watched it too, later on in Pak innings the pitch was a pancake for our tailenders and Sarf to feast on, scoring rate in NZ's innings points to that, the grass was there but it had evened out in 3 days

True, that tells that you haven't watched the game. PAK finished 2nd day 5 down & 8 down by lunch under cloud, then it rained just after PAK got all-out & Kiwis actually ended the day 0/0 (0'1).

These are info given in the match scorecard at my link, only if you had bothered to read the footnote before writing fictions .......

 

[MMHS]

4th innings Sami played a similar knock to Babar, maybe even better than him... him and Azhar Ali made a apartnership of 131... but it was a flat track

True - every green top should get flat by day 5, that's why they decide to field on such wickets in Test. You didn't see any of Sami or Babar's innings, therefore shouldn't judge the quality.

Now, I doubt if you know that 90* was on Day 2 & 1st session day 3 (actually on a 90 overs' fresh wicket). First get your script correct - it was a flat wicket on Day 5, where Sami made a pain stacking 91, which was technically better than a 90* made on Day 2, almost carrying the bat through, against a fresh attack on a green top - do you see the dots in between ............?

 

[kingusama92]

MMHS is bowling a nagging line in the corridor of uncertainty.

Unplayable.

 

[waleed88]

True - every green top should get flat by day 5, that's why they decide to field on such wickets in Test. You didn't see any of Sami or Babar's innings, therefore shouldn't judge the quality.

Now, I doubt if you know that 90* was on Day 2 & 1st session day 3 (actually on a 90 overs' fresh wicket). First get your script correct - it was a flat wicket on Day 5, where Sami made a pain stacking 91, which was technically better than a 90* made on Day 2, almost carrying the bat through, against a fresh attack on a green top - do you see the dots in between ............?

Yes its that Babar Azam can score a special knock and Sami can't... only Babar can survive singing conditions

 

[waleed88]

True, that tells that you haven't watched the game. PAK finished 2nd day 5 down & 8 down by lunch under cloud, then it rained just after PAK got all-out & Kiwis actually ended the day 0/0 (0'1).

These are info given in the match scorecard at my link, only if you had bothered to read the footnote before writing fictions .......

It also rained during the NZ innings of the 3rd innings but the carnage only increased. Telling you babar cashed in when it was smooth sailing for him as the pitch eased out

 

[waleed88]

the fact that sohail got a 37 only shows how good a pitch it was to bat on if your attitude is right

 

[Ellipsism]

the fact that sohail got a 37 only shows how good a pitch it was to bat on if your attitude is right

The fact that Sohail scored a 60 odd against Australia shows that Australia's test bowling attack is the worst in the world... good logic, eh?

 

[waleed88]

The fact that Sohail scored a 60 odd against Australia shows that Australia's test bowling attack is the worst in the world... good logic, eh?

Yes they were poor in the first and second test... Starc wasn't firing at all..

 

[Khan12]

MMHS has clean bowled [MENTION=135196]waleed88[/MENTION].

 

[Ellipsism]

Yes they were poor in the first and second test... Starc wasn't firing at all..

You failed to see the point...

 

[Haz95]

Waleed bhai using Sami Aslam and Azhar Ali as tho they are negative yardsticks. Both are quality openers and also further show how the pitches were in that test.

Sami, Azhar and Babar are the only ones capable of playing the moving ball (Haris and possibly Amin too) out of all the relevant Pakistani batsmen.

 

[Abdullah719]

Nope it was a flat track.. and it eased out for our tailenders to bat on too

Please check the scoring rate of the 3rd innings of the game 313 runs in 80 overs, and how we were 100/0 in the final innings of the match until we decided to commit hara-kiri..

The pitch had eased out on the 3rd day and as a result our bowlers were taken for plenty...
Also look at how Sohail Khan and our tailenders cashed in when batting was easier

I watched it too, later on in Pak innings the pitch was a pancake for our tailenders and Sarf to feast on, scoring rate in NZ's innings points to that, the grass was there but it had evened out in 3 days

4th innings Sami played a similar knock to Babar, maybe even better than him... him and Azhar Ali made a apartnership of 131... but it was a flat track

Then what is this:

Congratulations to Babar Azam on a fine knock, fully deserved a 100, this has to be one of the best knocks by a Pakistani youngster in Testing conditions since Asad Shafiq's 111 vs South Africa in Cape Town..

Sami Aslam's knock also come into contention in this category for his knock vs England in the 2nd innings.. But I would rate Azam's better since he carried on for the whole innings, remained not out, and kept chipping away the runs whenever he got an opportunity.. Others have been guilty of not hitting the ball even they get an opporutunity, but this guy drives and flicks equally well.. has power in his shots, and has a release shot on top of a very good defense..

Definitely seems to have worked on the mistakes he made in the first Test Match.. Very proud of this guy!!

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...New-Zealand-at-Hamilton&p=8967139#post8967139

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Babar will end up as Pakistans greatest ever batsman.

 

[Abdullah719]

Then what is this:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...New-Zealand-at-Hamilton&p=8967139#post8967139

Bro [MENTION=135196]waleed88[/MENTION], here are some of your other posts from that thread:

There was a lean patch between Sarfaraz and Sohail's knock that lasted 10-15overs, but then breeze started and overcast conditions made the ball talk.. besides those 15 overs it swung all round

There was a time when Sarfaraz and Sohail were having a field day, with a boundary every over, I was a little critical of Babar since he wasn't hitting the lose balls away..

But what he was doing was keeping one end secure, and allowing the partner to be the aggressor, and he would occassionally chip in with a boundary here and there..

I kept hearing 'Shabash Lala' as praise for Sohail Khan, I also saw him regretting not getting a second run when Amir was on strike as he wanted to protect the tailender.. His strike rate is a true indication of how well he applied himself and stayed patient, didn't go overly beserk even in batting friendly conditions

So what has made you change your mind?

 

[waleed88]

Bro [MENTION=135196]waleed88[/MENTION], here are some of your other posts from that thread:

So what has made you change your mind?

Yes I clearly remember writing these posts and I will not shy away from the fact that I wrote this back then...

Like I said before, the guy was three test matches in, here I thought this guy might well be the real deal, the whole batting order out for the loss of 5 wickets and he steadies the ship with Sohail and then Sarf...

However during the third innings of the game I realized this pitch has nothing in it for our bowlers, when they were taken out for plenty, infact our batsmen made the pitch look like a minefield

It got even better to bat on in the 4th innnings, with Azhar and Sami both taking their swell time to bat, but getting their eye in paid dividends even if you are a foreigner who is playing your second test match there..

However in subsequent games it truly came to the fore how poor Babar was as a batsman, when he played in Australia and failed, while also failing in the West Indies after getting just one or two 50...

He had no reply to Shannon Gabriel, Alzarri Joseph Jason Holder

He has certain weak points, and guilty pleasures which always lead to his early, and now tragic demise... the flick across the line, the square cut to point... the guy has instincts he can't curb... maybe looks a little flustered witht the short ball too..

I don't think any other batsman will be afforded 4 chances in NZ, 9 chances in Australia, and then further 9 chances in WI to prove his worth, and fail in most of the innings...

Asad Shafiq was demoted to 6 after just one series dubbed failure by our management, and the guy had 3 50's in that series...

Fawad Alam is a guy who was given just one chance to NZ and then sent back packing home..

the bias that is in favor of his test performance just on the basis of that 90 odd is too damn high, Sami Aslam is nowhere to be seen in the squad despite getting the same number of runs...

How is it this guy is still there? These are shambolic stats for someone who is given so much hype and so little performance to show for it

in 8 innings of 2017, Babar Azam averages 20.71 with a high score of 72

 

[Hamza_]

Bro [MENTION=135196]waleed88[/MENTION], here are some of your other posts from that thread:





So what has made you change your mind?

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] Is there no rule for posting absurd stuff on PP? If yes then this guy would probably be out of forum by the time now...

Very well explained by [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

 

[waleed88]

Babar Azam as an investment has been a failure, his ceritifed spot at no.3 wreaks of bias and preferential treatment, has not yielded any results, however like Mohammad Amir, he likes to coast on a reputation that precedes him... maybe we will have to wait a total of 1.5 years before we see something special from Babar Azam too.. lets just let him have his sweet time and let him settle until then, he is here to stay regardless of what I or the other people have to say. However his permanent fixture in the side has nothing to do with his performance specially in test matches, maybe our selectors consider ODI form to be a basis of selection to test matches as well..

 

[waleed88]

Babar will end up as Pakistans greatest ever batsman.

series after series of foreign tours, yet no one century to show for it... a guy averaging 27 will be our greatest batsmen, poor Inzi, Javed Miandad and Younis Khan... they will be scratching their heads as to what they didn't have as a batsman that the maestro already possesses

 

[waleed88]

Waleed bhai using Sami Aslam and Azhar Ali as tho they are negative yardsticks. Both are quality openers and also further show how the pitches were in that test.

Sami, Azhar and Babar are the only ones capable of playing the moving ball (Haris and possibly Amin too) out of all the relevant Pakistani batsmen.

Yes the quality opener that is not even in the test match squad anymore

 

[Haz95]

Yes the quality opener that is not even in the test match squad anymore

yes yes, Ahmed Shehzad and Mohammed Hafeez are better than him!

He was dropped due to not scoring runs rather than looking poor, however his concentration levels are second only to Azhar Ali in team Pakistan. Was probably the worst decision Inzi ever made dropping him, however I can sort of see why.

you're my favourite poster btw, don't attack me ...

 

[Khan12]

Babar Azam as an investment has been a failure, his ceritifed spot at no.3 wreaks of bias and preferential treatment, has not yielded any results, however like Mohammad Amir, he likes to coast on a reputation that precedes him... maybe we will have to wait a total of 1.5 years before we see something special from Babar Azam too.. lets just let him have his sweet time and let him settle until then, he is here to stay regardless of what I or the other people have to say. However his permanent fixture in the side has nothing to do with his performance specially in test matches, maybe our selectors consider ODI form to be a basis of selection to test matches as well..

One of the most idiotic posts I have ever read. Calling some one a failure who averages 50 plus. Can I know what success is for you. Please don't bring the minnow bashing. MMHS has already owned you there.

 

[MMHS]

series after series of foreign tours, yet no one century to show for it... a guy averaging 27 will be our greatest batsmen, poor Inzi, Javed Miandad and Younis Khan... they will be scratching their heads as to what they didn't have as a batsman that the maestro already possesses

Again, caught in the act. I am sure you don't know that Inzi was dropped in 1992 English tour after successive failures

The game isn't played on lap tops. This guy was exposed in AUS because of lack of experience of playing in AUS/NZ. By next tour he'll do well.

In WI, he was quite good - both times that he survived first few overs, actually went on to make decent scores, that's the hall mark of a good batsman.

For a comparison, out of his 80 innings (10 not outs), Bradman was dismissed in single digit for probably 23 times, or somewhere around - that's once in every 4 innings; but he made it up once set.

Babar is doing fine, leave him in peace - not sure reading your explanation of "change of heart"; I should laugh or cry.

 

[waleed88]

Again, caught in the act. I am sure you don't know that Inzi was dropped in 1992 English tour after successive failures&#55357;&#56873;

The game isn't played on lap tops. This guy was exposed in AUS because of lack of experience of playing in AUS/NZ. By next tour he'll do well.

In WI, he was quite good - both times that he survived first few overs, actually went on to make decent scores, that's the hall mark of a good batsman.

For a comparison, out of his 80 innings (10 not outs), Bradman was dismissed in single digit for probably 23 times, or somewhere around - that's once in every 4 innings; but he made it up once set.

Babar is doing fine, leave him in peace - not sure reading your explanation of "change of heart"; I should laugh or cry.

Yes Inzi has always been afraid of the new ball, and never insisted on playing as a no.3 despite insistence of it from Imran Khan...

You should try harder, an average of 27.41 is GOAT worthy including known failures against the WI, same team he likes to butcher home and away in LOIs

 

[Abdullah719]

Yes Inzi has always been afraid of the new ball, and never insisted on playing as a no.3 despite insistence of it from Imran Khan...

You should try harder, an average of 27.41 is GOAT worthy including known failures against the WI, same team he likes to butcher home and away in LOIs

I think you are the first person I have ever encountered that has made a clear call on a batsman's whole career after 9 Test matches.

A few years later, we will revisit this thread. Insha'Allah.

 

[MMHS]

Yes Inzi has always been afraid of the new ball, and never insisted on playing as a no.3 despite insistence of it from Imran Khan...

You should try harder, an average of 27.41 is GOAT worthy including known failures against the WI, same team he likes to butcher home and away in LOIs

GOAT is bit over used words these days - it's not an animal farm. If he averages 27 after the series against SRL, indeed it'll be an issue. What you are doing is taking advantage of statistical manipulation - such tricks always back fires. 8 of his 9 Tests are in NZ, AUS & WI; his debut innings in UAE was 69 ......

 

[QalandarFan]

Lmao at some of the posts in this thread after the world cup Babar had. Same people who hail Kohli as the GOAT call a guy who handled the pressure of the world cup much better an average player.

 

[Mean&Green]

if u expect Babar to match the Tendulkars n Laras then yes u will be disappointed. He wont do that IMO. He can become a Pakistani Great and maybe ATG. But for a young Pakistani prospect he is doing more than fine

Ab app bhi is post ko dekh ke hastey hongein janaab ke larka kahan tak poonch gaya

 

[The_Odd_One]

After 73 games in 4 years, Babar has scored 3328 runs with 11 hundreds.

If he plays for another 12 years (he's 24 right now) which is extremely likely, then he should be able to end up with 13K+ runs and 40+ hundreds.

 

[Mobashir]

On current form there is no better ODI batsman than him.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

His test batting will improve Insha Allah.

All he needs is a big test 100; something like YK's 267 vs India. That should give him confidence. 99% of people are saying he's a potential ATG batsman!

 

[Abdullah]

Read my posts back on this thread!!
Needs to keep his head down!

 

[Danyaalr01]

His test batting will improve Insha Allah.

All he needs is a big test 100; something like YK's 267 vs India. That should give him confidence. 99% of people are saying he's a potential ATG batsman!

Australia will be his series, the pitches are well suited to him too and he plays the short ball well, I reckon by 2020 he will be in top ten for test rankings, he just needs more patience in his batting for tests. He will replace Root in the Fab 4 next year.

 

[Danyaalr01]

Those Babar Azam sixes were amazing, especially the last one against Kumara. It looks like he whips the ball, uses his wrists really well, all of his sixes were really wristy.

 

[Hawkeye]

Who else from Pak is averaging above 50 and is not a dud against pace bowling?

He's here to stay. But yes has not fulfilled the predicted potential and overtaken other great bats yet.

But will need some time to develop.

He's here to rule!

 

[Savak]

The guy loves to bat

 

[Danyaalr01]

Scored at a better average and strike rate than Rohit Sharma this year, if Babar had played the same amount of games, he would be the leading run scorer this year. Haris has also gotten an impressive 598 runs in 14 innings at 89.95 strike rate and 49.83 average. Good year for Imam as well, but he should get his strike rate to at least 85.