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Babar Azam, Naseem Shah, Shaheen Shah Afridi will make a strong comeback!

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gazza619

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Form is temporary, class is permanent. I have no doubt in my mind that the break from the game will do wonders to these 3 classy players and they will comeback strong and determined.

I agree that their attitude needs to change though. Respect the game, and the game will respect you back. Lessons need to be learned quick and fast. I predict that 2025 will be the year where these three will shine and make us proud once again!
 
Yeah once they make a comeback... Pakistan will forget the comeback they made today all over again.
 
mehhh Babar is done unless he seriously works on his fitness and plays FC cricket. He never was that good to begin with. Massive hype. His 100 (ODI) vs Aus in Aus when chasing well over 300 tells you all you need to know about him. SSA needs massive work and change in mindset to come back. Naseem has the best chance, but will also need to work on his fitness.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Yeah once they make a comeback... Pakistan will forget the comeback they made today all over again.
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Replace Shan with Babar in today's line up and ask yourself what difference would that make to the result.
Shan is a terrible captain and batsman.

How difficult is it to understand that playing on a used pitch that assisted our spinners was the main reason we won this game?
 
Ahmed216 said:
Replace Shan with Babar in today's line up and ask yourself what difference would that make to the result.
Shan is a terrible captain and batsman.

How difficult is it to understand that playing on a used pitch that assisted our spinners was the main reason we won this game?
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Babar is terrible, has nothing to do with Shan, Babar needs to stay away from the team.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Have faith in Naseem but Babar and SSA are so inconsistent performers now.
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Naseem does not have much ingredients to be a top bowler. Been many years and he’s still only hype.

Really poor Test and ODI bowler. Fine for T20s against batters who are not used to pace - merely 4 overs.
 
gazza619 said:
Form is temporary, class is permanent. I have no doubt in my mind that the break from the game will do wonders to these 3 classy players and they will comeback strong and determined.

I agree that their attitude needs to change though. Respect the game, and the game will respect you back. Lessons need to be learned quick and fast. I predict that 2025 will be the year where these three will shine and make us proud once again!
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Inshallah they'll come back as better cricketers after this detoxification break
 
The fast bowlers cannot make a comeback in Tests sadly. They don’t want to and don’t train for it either.

T20s is the priority.

Only way they can work is if we also play 2 quality spinners and make rank turner pitches at home. Then they come into the picture and take advantage of the collapse caused by spin.

Babar, on the other hand, is a world class batter who is badly out of form.

He can definitely make a comeback.

Babar needs to give respect to first class cricket and do the hard yards there. Stick to Test and ODI cricket, avoid T20 to minimize further tarnishing his reputation.
 
Dont care. As per rumors Babar recieved some verbal abuse by Aqib Chad Javed after he tried to block Amir’s return to ODI team. He was told to worry about his own position and fix his pathetic batting and selfish approach. Which is another news btw. Aqib taking the mafia to cleaners. Brilliant stuff.
 
From the three mentioned Naseem will be back first.

He can excel bowling short bursts on these types of wickets. Especially with the older ball.

Babar will return in the future also but could be out for a while.

Shaheen is done as a long format cricketer.
 
Slim said:
Dont care. As per rumors Babar recieved some verbal abuse by Aqib Chad Javed after he tried to block Amir’s return to ODI team. He was told to worry about his own position and fix his pathetic batting and selfish approach. Which is another news btw. Aqib taking the mafia to cleaners. Brilliant stuff.
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After seeing how puffed out and under pressure Amir got during the super over v USA it would be a disaster to bring him back for ODI.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
After seeing how puffed out and under pressure Amir got during the super over v USA it would be a disaster to bring him back for ODI.
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I believe in Aqib’s vision. Lets see what he has in mind.
 
Slim said:
Dont care. As per rumors Babar recieved some verbal abuse by Aqib Chad Javed after he tried to block Amir’s return to ODI team. He was told to worry about his own position and fix his pathetic batting and selfish approach. Which is another news btw. Aqib taking the mafia to cleaners. Brilliant stuff.
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Correction: the galli galoch was not related to Amir but Babar’s own performance and attitude.
 
Babar has never won a game for Pakistan. Naseem and Shaheen are match winners. Two different group of players.
 
Slim said:
Unfortunate stuff :/ i dont want to see any of them back until they are made to toil in domestics.
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I actually do. They won’t be wiped out/ forced to get their act together until they face full Zalalat.

The Australia series will be good for this.
 
gazza619 said:
Form is temporary, class is permanent. I have no doubt in my mind that the break from the game will do wonders to these 3 classy players and they will comeback strong and determined.

I agree that their attitude needs to change though. Respect the game, and the game will respect you back. Lessons need to be learned quick and fast. I predict that 2025 will be the year where these three will shine and make us proud once again!
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They have to. It will be a great comeback iA!
 
Slim said:
Dont care. As per rumors Babar recieved some verbal abuse by Aqib Chad Javed after he tried to block Amir’s return to ODI team. He was told to worry about his own position and fix his pathetic batting and selfish approach. Which is another news btw. Aqib taking the mafia to cleaners. Brilliant stuff.
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Aqib has his own way of doing things. He doesn't care about anyone.
 
Rana said:
I actually do. They won’t be wiped out/ forced to get their act together until they face full Zalalat.

The Australia series will be good for this.
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I like this perspective tbh. Expose them otherwise he will try to sneak his way in the zimbabwe series. Trust me if Aqib is selector till then, he will send a young squad.
 
Slim said:
I like this perspective tbh. Expose them otherwise he will try to sneak his way in the zimbabwe series. Trust me if Aqib is selector till then, he will send a young squad.
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It’s the only way bro.

You have to cross the bridge once. All of these kids desperately want Rizwan as captain in all formats (mainly white ball). Ok, let’s get this over and done with. What you do know is, once it’s over…it will InshaAllah be the full end of it.
 
Naseem Shah is a hardworking and smart cricketer free from any saazish and chalbaazi hopefully he is taken back, the other two have become the part of the problem thus far the axing.
 
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gazza619 said:
Form is temporary, class is permanent. I have no doubt in my mind that the break from the game will do wonders to these 3 classy players and they will comeback strong and determined.

I agree that their attitude needs to change though. Respect the game, and the game will respect you back. Lessons need to be learned quick and fast. I predict that 2025 will be the year where these three will shine and make us proud once again!
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Seems like you support this trio more than Pakistan cricket. After winning this test match, you seem upset. But don't worry it's Friday night, go treat yourself to another kebab roll.
 
topspin said:
Seems like you support this trio more than Pakistan cricket. After winning this test match, you seem upset. But don't worry it's Friday night, go treat yourself to another kebab roll.
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I’m surprised he didn’t add the 4th pillar of Dosti Yaari saying “our Gilchrist will also be back”
 
If they make a strong come back then it will be good for the team. By this I mean perform as world class players.
 
All of them have fundamental issues they need to rectify.

It’s not just a change in attitude (that should be a given).

Babar needs to work on his game. He needs to work on his game against spin, his technical setup, outside the off stump.

Shaheen and Naseem both need their 140+ pace back.

Naseem seems to need some strength and conditioning - which is easier than what Shaheen needs to work on. But he needs to understand without sharpish pace 140+ he is cannon fodder even if he’s accurate. He’s too short to succeed as a metronome, “right areas” bowler.

Shaheen fundamentally is not the same since his knee injury. He either needs to take a year out on intense rehab and get his pace back. Or he needs to change his bowling approach and use his height, hit the deck and use his bounce on a hard length.

Cheerleading jingoisim won’t get them back in team, they need to work on their game and need to work hard.
 
Babar, Shaheen and Naseem are the Taylor Swift of cricket with a similar following but without all the professional credibility
 
Buffet said:
If they make a strong come back then it will be good for the team. By this I mean perform as world class players.
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They were ‘performing’ as world class players?

Shaheen was when he bowled 145+
 
TheSultan said:
All of them have fundamental issues they need to rectify.

It’s not just a change in attitude (that should be a given).

Babar needs to work on his game. He needs to work on his game against spin, his technical setup, outside the off stump.

Shaheen and Naseem both need their 140+ pace back.

Naseem seems to need some strength and conditioning - which is easier than what Shaheen needs to work on. But he needs to understand without sharpish pace 140+ he is cannon fodder even if he’s accurate. He’s too short to succeed as a metronome, “right areas” bowler.

Shaheen fundamentally is not the same since his knee injury. He either needs to take a year out on intense rehab and get his pace back. Or he needs to change his bowling approach and use his height, hit the deck and use his bounce on a hard length.

Cheerleading jingoisim won’t get them back in team, they need to work on their game and need to work hard.
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Shaheen just doesn’t seem to have the right attitude, happy to be proven wrong but he is already twerking on twitter. Nassem Shah has fire but he has been hanging around with the cru and has started slacking, maybe he can be rectified? I’d want to encourage Hasnain to play red ball cricket because I’ve heard he was trying to improve himself behind the scenes, a rare thing for a Pakistani fast bowler these days
 
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They can be bought back but it 100% has to be on merit.
Let them grind in domestics before coming back. They have all regressed and need to prove themselves again.

At the moment the front runner for inclusion in the aussie white ball series is Hasnain who has picked himself up off the ground and gone from a forgotten injury case to a position where the selectors either can't ignore him or will face serious backlash if they do. Shaheen and Naseem can take inspiration from his hard work.

As for Babar the example is more obvious in his replacement Ghulam. The models for success are there, it is up to them to look and learn should they choose to.
 
Buffet said:
They were not. That's why they were dropped.
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I meant when they were supposedly good.

Babar was scoring runs in T20 and many of us were saying his performances are not up to par. Naseem has nice wicketless spells. I don’t understand what exactly is the best they can offer?

Yes Shaheen is a game changer when on song. He can break the back of the opposition.
 
Rana said:
I meant when they were supposedly good.

Babar was scoring runs in T20 and many of us were saying his performances are not up to par. Naseem has nice wicketless spells. I don’t understand what exactly is the best they can offer?

Yes Shaheen is a game changer when on song. He can break the back of the opposition.
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Babar shouldn't be playing T20. His limitations makes it problematic and you don't need an anchor if anchor has an issue to change gears. I have not watched enough of Naseem playing T20 to have an opinion. Shaheen, seen enough and he is fine.
 
The 3 of them should be given a plan to follow. Their fitness should be measured and must play Quaid e Azam trophy if they want to be considered. If all 3 show serious attitude they can all make strong comebacks but must be kept away for longer so when they return they should be more fitter and prepared for the challenges ahead after playing a season of red ball cricket. They'll learn the value of putting that Pakistan shirt on with the star which is a dream for all of us.
 
shaz619 said:
Shaheen just doesn’t seem to have the right attitude, happy to be proven wrong but he is already twerking on twitter. Nassem Shah has fire but he has been hanging around with the cru and has started slacking, maybe he can be rectified? I’d want to encourage Hasnain to play red ball cricket because I’ve heard he was trying to improve himself behind the scenes, a rare thing for a Pakistani fast bowler these days
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100% agreed on Hasnain. He should play red ball and it is very rare for pak cricketers to look to improve on their own initiative.
 
TheSultan said:
100% agreed on Hasnain. He should play red ball and it is very rare for pak cricketers to look to improve on their own initiative.
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Hasnain doesnt want to play red ball. Thats the problem. Thats why he will never become big. Always a fringe player.
 
Naseem has always been overrated. He has never performed.

Babar’s best years are ahead of him and he will be back with a bang.

Shaheen’s future depends on how he manages his body and what his workload would be like. He needs to rest for at least 6 months.
 
Slim said:
Hasnain doesnt want to play red ball. Thats the problem. Thats why he will never become big. Always a fringe player.
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shahbazchoudhry said:
Hey, I can confirm that Hasnain wants to play test cricket. His first conversation with me was about finding ways to make his bowling more efficient; he understood that he was exerting (and losing) a lot of energy while bowling and that his previous approach wouldn't be sustainable for long-format bowling.

In the past, he has told me that he found red-ball cricket beneficial for his game development. He's committed to playing the full FC season in Pakistan this year.
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If this is the real Shahbaz it doesn't seem like its true.
 
Mamoon said:
Naseem has always been overrated. He has never performed.

Babar’s best years are ahead of him and he will be back with a bang.

Shaheen’s future depends on how he manages his body and what his workload would be like. He needs to rest for at least 6 months.
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Naseem has shown flashes of brilliance at times, particularly with his pace and ability to swing the ball, but his progress has often been hindered by injuries. If he can somehow stay injury free and gain more experience, he could develop into a reliable back up bowler.
 
Rana said:
Btw all three are going to be in the ODI squad v Australia
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Massive Win for me, I was worried I wouldn't get freebies given that Travis head is out, but these 3 have calmed the nerves 🤣
 
Naseem yes but Shaheen and Babar been riding on their fame with no performances and making dressing room toxic .
 
They will be there in the white-ball series against Australia. I don't want Shaheen TBH but Naseem and Babar should be there 100%.

Babar is fine in ODIs. Hasnain needs to replace shaheen now in white-ball.
 
All 3 players, particularly Babar is are the PRIDE of Pakistan. I have no doubt that they will be back very soon. My support for these champion players.
 
BouncerGuy said:
They will be there in the white-ball series against Australia. I don't want Shaheen TBH but Naseem and Babar should be there 100%.

Babar is fine in ODIs. Hasnain needs to replace shaheen now in white-ball.
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I would have personally given them a longer break. Even Riz needs a break. This will give an opportunity to other players.
 
gazza619 said:
I would have personally given them a longer break. Even Riz needs a break. This will give an opportunity to other players.
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No need for any rest in white ball for Babar. He is not playing much anyways. Babar and naseem should play. Shaheen needs to be dropped for sure.
 
Babar will surely come back, anyone who has watched this game for a good amount of time knows that he is indeed a good batsman despite all the negative sentiments surrounding him these days.

He won’t be any sort of GOAT but he has the talent and technique to be a solid 46 averaging batsman in tests with good record in away conditions too.
 
Not sure about Shaheen because he has lost pace, he used to bowl 147-148 in the initial overs and 138-145 in later overs in t20s and odis but he has noe become a 130-140 koh bowler.

If this rest helps him to increase his pace, even he can make a comeback, hopefully he doesn’t play in different leagues around the world.

Naseem didn’t do anything wrong, if you dish out such pattas how would a bowler take wickets, he still was the best amongst all Pakistani pacers and the fastest too.
 
The dropping of Babar, Shaheen, and Naseem doesn't seem to be about resting them. It was clearly a deliberate decision meant to send a strong message to the team. As Naqvi described it, this was "surgery." These players are the pride of Pakistan, and removing them mid-series only served to embarrass them.

If surgery is needed, it should also target those who claimed Pakistan lacks spinners, insisted we can't produce spin-friendly pitches, and advocated for importing drop-in pitches. The same scrutiny should apply to the medical panel that botched surgeries. Isn't the PCB responsible for this chaos, constantly changing captains and creating this division?

This episode has damaged the careers of three key players, hurting their aura. What was the rush? Why couldn’t Babar play two more games? He wasn’t “out of form” — he looked perfectly fine in the Champions Cup.
 
BouncerGuy said:
They will be there in the white-ball series against Australia. I don't want Shaheen TBH but Naseem and Babar should be there 100%.

Babar is fine in ODIs. Hasnain needs to replace shaheen now in white-ball.
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Australia will kill pakistan either way
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, and talented youngsters like Sarfaraz, Imad, Amir and Sharjeel will return to take the team to the next level.
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They had already done in the late 2010s when Pakistan won 11 t20i series in a row and were ranked no.1
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, and talented youngsters like Sarfaraz, Imad, Amir and Sharjeel will return to take the team to the next level.
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Sharjeel has been grinding it in List A recently. Avg of 50 and sr of 133.

Sajid, Agha, KG and Nouman have proven why selecting domestic performers over league bullies or psl superstars is the way to go forward.

Only these 4 won it really. Granted it won't always work as Saim and saud are also domestic grinders but have been just okay,

But I don't see why domestic performers can't play? Amir and imad don't play domestic either so I don't mind if their not included but why not sharjeel?
 
RyanRyan10 said:
They had already done in the late 2010s when Pakistan won 11 t20i series in a row and were ranked no.1
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They did it in 2018 when other teams were focusing on ODIs because of the 2019 World Cup. No big team played their main players in T20Is in that period, so Pakistan took advantage of it.

Sarfaraz and his team were lucky there was no T20 WC in that period otherwise he would have been exposed just like he got exposed in the 2018 Asia Cup where an Indian team without Kohli humiliated him in the UAE.
 
mominsaigol said:
Sharjeel has been grinding it in List A recently. Avg of 50 and sr of 133.

Sajid, Agha, KG and Nouman have proven why selecting domestic performers over league bullies or psl superstars is the way to go forward.

Only these 4 won it really. Granted it won't always work as Saim and saud are also domestic grinders but have been just okay,

But I don't see why domestic performers can't play? Amir and imad don't play domestic either so I don't mind if they’re not included but why not sharjeel?
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The difference is that Sharjeel has already proved himself to be a failure in international cricket. His record in both ODIs and T20Is is pathetic and it is not a small sample.

Some players are just domestic bullies and you have to ignore their domestic performances after they have already proved that they haven’t got what it takes to perform in internationals.

However, a successful domestic performer who has not been given a chance in international cricket should get recognition 100%.
 
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