Babar Azam : Technique Scrutiny Thread

[Seen Sheen]

First of all, I must say I am delighted with the way the lad has performed so far. I have been his supporter ever since saw him during the 2010 Youth World Cup. Things didn't go as well as most of us had hoped after he graduated from Under 19 but last couple of years he has somewhat lived up to the potential and started performing and earned his recall. In a infant career of 9 matches, he has already become our mainstay in the middle order.

His batting is very Un-Pakistani like as in his not a one dimensional player. Seems to know how to accumulate but also picks out right balls to hit the boundary. The area of concern from what I have seen about his batting is his 'Stand and Deliver' where he just trusts his hands and eye and forces the ball without getting to the pitch. Earlier on today he almost nicked one whole attempting to do the same. Could be vulnerable on more bouncier and seamer friendly tracks(even though today's pitch had plenty of carry).

Do you people think it's a problematic area of his technique which he needs to work on or am I reading too much into it?

PS. This thread has also been created to keep the balance. There have been plenty of threads praising the lad (and rightly so) but I feel there are still a few areas he needs to work on. Another one is keeping the concentration levels high and not throwing his wicket away after getting set (chronic disease amongst Pakistani batsmen).

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[Sandeep]

Teams will concentrate more on him from now. His videos will start getting circulated. He needs to focus on the game more than ever and he will come out as a winner in one year!

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Looks a hard working guy who will surely work on his batting. Is so good off the back foot

 

[asfandyar]

Technique is what works for you and it is important to differentiate it from elegance. If you're scoring runs at a decent SR, you can be Fawad and have a solid technique. If you're not, you can be Asad and be a source of distress.

Babar Azam does have a lot of LBWs and bowleds in List-A, but as long as he is scoring, can't complain. Our most technical batsman remains Haris, and he too has his technical (in the truest sense) deficiencies.

 

[ChachaCricket]

No, I'm not worried. He will enjoy bouncier conditions even more because the pace off the wicket will make it easier to guide the ball without needed to generate power through bat swing.

The only slight adjustment he has to make is to stop closing the face of the bat early which he does occasionally.

 

[Suleiman]

He's around the same point in time where Maqsood began losing it after delivering quality 50's after a few games. Which was the stage at which other teams started analyzing him seriously with footage like [MENTION=90229]Sandeep[/MENTION] pointed out. So yes he'll need to improve from here

One thing I noticed was he gets pressurized a little with a packed offside, just like Haris Sohail. Actually that's how Dhoni removed Haris in our match in the 2015 world cup. He cut off the offside with a packed field completely, Haris got under pressure and threw his wicket away, similar case today.

But I think he can improve, and his game overall is solid which is pleasing to see.

 

[JibranAnsari]

He will need a lot of help from the coaching staff in the future . are the coaches up for the challenge or should he contact the great sachin tendulker?

 

[AlphaFighter]

Umar Akmal started with a bang as well. I remember the hype and excitement when he went through this phase early on in his career.

Pakistan has a knack of mismanaging many young players. Won't be surprised to see calls for Babar Azam's head in the next few years.

 

[Seen Sheen]

Technique is what works for you and it is important to differentiate it from elegance. If you're scoring runs at a decent SR, you can be Fawad and have a solid technique. If you're not, you can be Asad and be a source of distress.

Babar Azam does have a lot of LBWs and bowleds in List-A, but as long as he is scoring, can't complain. Our most technical batsman remains Haris, and he too has his technical (in the truest sense) deficiencies.

Yes I have seen him getting out lbw a few times. Tends to play across the line earlier on in his innings but that's where most batsmen are vulnerable when they just start an innings. Shouldn't be too difficult for him to rectify this problem.

Don't think Haris is the most technically sound player in Pakistan. He is very susceptible against short pitch bowling and I think he needs to work really hard on his game against the short ball. Babar on the other hand seems a very decent back foot player. Likes to camp in the back foot and looks to pounce on anything remotely short.

Isn't too shabby against fuller length but trusts his hand eye co-ordination more than getting the foot forward and reaching to the pitch of the ball.

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[TalentSpotterPk]

[MENTION=34564]asfandyar[/MENTION]

In which areas and aspects Haris Sohail's technique is better than Babar Azam's technique ?

 

[Mamoon]

Would love to see him bat in tandem with Haris, our two best batting prospects. Next target should be to score a hundred.

 

[Mamoon]

Umar Akmal started with a bang as well. I remember the hype and excitement when he went through this phase early on in his career.

Pakistan has a knack of mismanaging many young players. Won't be surprised to see calls for Babar Azam's head in the next few years.

Difference is that unlike Umar, Babar is more methodical than flashy. He has been like this at every level, doesn't get carried away like his cousins.

 

[cricfan14]

Would love to see him bat in tandem with Haris, our two best batting prospects. Next target should be to score a hundred.

First I would like proof that Haris still exists

 

[AlphaFighter]

Difference is that unlike Umar, Babar is more methodical than flashy. He has been like this at every level, doesn't get carried away like his cousins.

Trust me, early days. You will turn against him to in his tough moments.

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[Madplayer]

He's around the same point in time where Maqsood began losing it after delivering quality 50's after a few games. Which was the stage at which other teams started analyzing him seriously with footage like [MENTION=90229]Sandeep[/MENTION] pointed out. So yes he'll need to improve from here

One thing I noticed was he gets pressurized a little with a packed offside, just like Haris Sohail. Actually that's how Dhoni removed Haris in our match in the 2015 world cup. He cut off the offside with a packed field completely, Haris got under pressure and threw his wicket away, similar case today.

But I think he can improve, and his game overall is solid which is pleasing to see.

Haris didnt throw away his wicket. He just got a great delivery from ashwin.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Babar will have to chart a different course to UA, Sohaib, Nasir and many others who have shown early promise and then given it all away.

Babar, Haris and Rizwan can be a very good future for Pakistan.

It's all up to them. No one else.

 

[Suleiman]

[MENTION=34564]asfandyar[/MENTION]

In which areas and aspects Haris Sohail's technique is better than Babar Azam's technique ?

Minor note but I have noticed when Babar is pulling the ball he loses shape a little, especially on that ball from Santner, looked like he was gonna fall over. Haris is also better at lofting the ball IMO, gets right to the pitch and lofts it with a straight bat. If you saw Babar's straight hits today, particularly the towards long off, he hit it somewhere near the bottom of the bat, but the dimensions of the stadium helped him there. So as far as clearing the fence goes, Haris is ahead. I also feel Haris is better square of the wicket.

Obviously, not trying to downplay Babar here, who IMO is a very compact player and really only has minor adjustments needed as his overall game is good.

 

[Madplayer]

[MENTION=34564]asfandyar[/MENTION]

In which areas and aspects Haris Sohail's technique is better than Babar Azam's technique ?

Imo haris is the best batsmen in Pakistan against swing and seam. Better than even misbah or yk if you would like to make a comparison. Haris and babar are the only 2 batsmen in Pak who can become all condition batsmen.

 

[Suleiman]

Haris didnt throw away his wicket. He just got a great delivery from ashwin.

yes but the pressure was definitely building on him after Dhoni set-up his fielders there, otherwise he was either hitting there for singles or finding the fence on the drive.

 

[Mamoon]

Trust me, early days. You will turn against him to in his tough moments.

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Everyone should if that happens, otherwise you are just a blind supporter who is oblivious to the faults of the players. There is no personal value of the players, just their performance.

 

[#GreenRoars]

[MENTION=29397]Seen Sheen[/MENTION] hope thread is good now

 

[BigBoy123]

He's around the same point in time where Maqsood began losing it after delivering quality 50's after a few games. Which was the stage at which other teams started analyzing him seriously with footage like [MENTION=90229]Sandeep[/MENTION] pointed out. So yes he'll need to improve from here

One thing I noticed was he gets pressurized a little with a packed offside, just like Haris Sohail. Actually that's how Dhoni removed Haris in our match in the 2015 world cup. He cut off the offside with a packed field completely, Haris got under pressure and threw his wicket away, similar case today.

But I think he can improve, and his game overall is solid which is pleasing to see.

Maqsood never ever performed in testing conditions ! He has couple of knocks in UAE and SL and a fluke 50 in SA thats it

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[UpInTheAir]

I'm only worried because he's related to da Akmals.

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[BigBoy123]

He is balance is wonderful but gets Bob down so easily.. Has to learn alot

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[Seen Sheen]

Would love to see him bat in tandem with Haris, our two best batting prospects. Next target should be to score a hundred.

In my opinion, Umar Amin and Babar Azam are or have been our best two batting prospects since last five years. It's a shame Umar Amin hasn't delivered at international level yet but hopefully he's ironed out the deficiencies on his game both from a technical and mental point of view and is ready to go whenever he gets a recall. Had a prolific season in Quaid e Azam and unluckily missed out against England Lions series due to injury.
He has to come good soon though as the time is somewhat running out for him.

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[Mamoon]

In my opinion, Umar Amin and Babar Azam are or have been our best two batting prospects since last five years. It's a shame Umar Amin hasn't delivered at international level yet but hopefully he's ironed out the deficiencies on his game both from a technical and mental point of view and is ready to go whenever he gets a recall. Had a prolific season in Quaid e Azam and unluckily missed out against England Lions series due to injury.
He has to come good soon though as the time is somewhat running out for him.

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Amin is a good player, he has made some big strides this year. I think he's ready for international cricket now, but my impression is that the selectors see him as a future Test player after the retirement of Misbah and Younis.

 

[Seen Sheen]

Haris didnt throw away his wicket. He just got a great delivery from ashwin.

Yes the delivery was an off spinner's dream bal; pitching pm on middle and leg and then spinning and kicking sharply to take the edge.
The poster is right in pointing out that Haris had somewhat been struggling prior to his dismissal and was finding it very difficult to rotate the strike. Ashwin got the better of him but one could clearly see he was getting restless at the crease.

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[asfandyar]

[MENTION=34564]asfandyar[/MENTION]

In which areas and aspects Haris Sohail's technique is better than Babar Azam's technique ?

In the time he has while playing a shot.

Also, Haris hasn't been LBW even once, and has been bowled once. Babar has been out twice in both modes of dismissals.

These two dismissals are an indicator of the fact that you have your bases covered. Technical deficiencies such as playing across the line, hesitation in moving onto the backfoot or frontfoot and the resultant stand and deliver approach leave you vulnerable to LBWs and bowleds.

Haris should come in for Sarfraz/Rizwan and bat at 5, with Shoaib at 6 and Rizwan/Sarfraz at 7. Hafeez has been performing so it will be unfair to drop him, no matter how pathetic his strike rate, and how powerful his inability to score on seaming tracks.

 

[Seen Sheen]

[MENTION=29397]Seen Sheen[/MENTION] hope thread is good now

Thanks a lot! I really appreciate the re-emergence of the thread.

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[TalentSpotterPk]

In the time he has while playing a shot.

Also, Haris hasn't been LBW even once, and has been bowled once. Babar has been out twice in both modes of dismissals.

These two dismissals are an indicator of the fact that you have your bases covered. Technical deficiencies such as playing across the line, hesitation in moving onto the backfoot or frontfoot and the resultant stand and deliver approach leave you vulnerable to LBWs and bowleds.

Haris should come in for Sarfraz/Rizwan and bat at 5, with Shoaib at 6 and Rizwan/Sarfraz at 7. Hafeez has been performing so it will be unfair to drop him, no matter how pathetic his strike rate, and how powerful his inability to score on seaming tracks.

Babar judges the line of the delivery much early than Haris does.

He plays short ball much more efficiently while Haris struggles if the speed is 85+mph.

If you get bowled or Lbw once it doesn't mean that's your weak area.

Haris is more efficient in rotating the strike. We need both of them in playing eleven.

 

[the Great Khan]

Does he hit a pretty cover drive? And does he have some mythical following yet??

Firstly haris sohail is a nobody. He''s not fit enough for international cricket abd can't hit more than 40 before his fat belly starts rumbling.

Azam has the best chance of making it. We need to get fakhar zaman in too and get fawad into the squad. Rizwan is another who needs to hit some runs or get dropped. We need to give aslam or inamulhaq a chance too. Haris lol.

 

[Seen Sheen]

Amin is a good player, he has made some big strides this year. I think he's ready for international cricket now, but my impression is that the selectors see him as a future Test player after the retirement of Misbah and Younis.

I never really pinned hopes on any of the batting prospects to emerge in last decade apart from Amin (and later Babar) so it was very disappointing to see him fail in his first two stints in international cricket.

I think he should make his return in the format he's excelled in domestics so would be sensible to send him with the test squad in England as a middle order standby.

He can make it to the shorter formats side later if he excells in Tests.

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[ChachaPakistani]

I feel he can be one of the fundamental cornerstones to our future batting unit. Him, Sami Aslam, Harris Sohail, Rizwan when he gets his form back, and Imad Wasim after he improves slightly can all form together well. Hopefully the right people come together and gel well to form a solid 11. Its incredibly difficult given the nature of Pakistan cricket, but its not impossible

 

[Gayle_Force]

Definitely a great prospect. Just needs to get a bit patient I think. Seems to get frustrated too easily after two or three dots.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Does he hit a pretty cover drive? And does he have some mythical following yet??

Firstly haris sohail is a nobody. He''s not fit enough for international cricket abd can't hit more than 40 before his fat belly starts rumbling.

Azam has the best chance of making it. We need to get fakhar zaman in too and get fawad into the squad. Rizwan is another who needs to hit some runs or get dropped. We need to give aslam or inamulhaq a chance too. Haris lol.

He did hit 2 splendid cover drives today. Indeeedddd.

 

[Seen Sheen]

Babar judges the line of the delivery much early than Haris does.

He plays short ball much more efficiently while Haris struggles if the speed is 85+mph.

If you get bowled or Lbw once it doesn't mean that's your weak area.

Haris is more efficient in rotating the strike. We need both of them in playing eleven.

Well only area where Haris is better than Babar in my opinion is the front foot game. Don't think Haris is better at rotating the strike. He is suited for a top order role at number 3.

Babar seems to be a better player of spin than him (although he hasn't faced any quality spinners yet so we should probably reserve the judgment for that skill)

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[asfandyar]

Babar judges the line of the delivery much early than Haris does.

He plays short ball much more efficiently while Haris struggles if the speed is 85+mph.

If you get bowled or Lbw once it doesn't mean that's your weak area.

Haris is more efficient in rotating the strike. We need both of them in playing eleven.

I respect your opinion, but we need to see both in similar conditions more often to decide. For me Haris is the best batsman for Pakistan since Yousuf, and Babar needs a few more games before he can be considered second-best. But both of them are integral to our team's success.

 

[the Great Khan]

I respect your opinion, but we need to see both in similar conditions more often to decide. For me Haris is the best batsman for Pakistan since Yousuf, and Babar needs a few more games before he can be considered second-best. But both of them are integral to our team's success.

Oh please God help us.

Look people I've watched cricket for nearly 40 years. Trust me Haris is not the best batsman in Pakistan. If he is we are in big trouble.

 

[asfandyar]

Does he hit a pretty cover drive? And does he have some mythical following yet??

Firstly haris sohail is a nobody. He''s not fit enough for international cricket abd can't hit more than 40 before his fat belly starts rumbling.

Azam has the best chance of making it. We need to get fakhar zaman in too and get fawad into the squad. Rizwan is another who needs to hit some runs or get dropped. We need to give aslam or inamulhaq a chance too. Haris lol.

I can only laugh at this. You have contradicted yourself in your post. Hint: 40.

 

[hur rizvi]

Needs good mentoring from PCB. In free time PCB should arrange sessions for him with Inzi, Miandad and other batting greats we have. Moreover he needs to keep his head down and keep on working hard.

 

[asfandyar]

Oh please God help us.

Look people I've watched cricket for nearly 40 years. Trust me Haris is not the best batsman in Pakistan. If he is we are in big trouble.

I think 40 is your weak number.

First you said Haris gets 40's and then gets out, while conveniently forgetting how many times he gets there. A player who gets 40's in 10/10 times is better than someone who gets 100 in 4 and 0's in 6, while averaging similar to the former

Then you said you have been watching cricket for 40 years. You have clearly failed to adapt to the change in culture that cricket has experienced, and are still in the 1970s.

 

[sandsaims]

Top talent this guy.

 

[hur rizvi]

Fakhar and Hafeez should open (Next time we play ODIs hafeez will be eligible to bowl)

Ideally harris at 3, Babar at 4, Malik at 5 and Umar at 6 (Yes despite his brain farts it is clear that we need him, there is no other dynamic player for lower order)

Nawaz at 7, sarfraz at 8, Zafar/Sohail khan (In asia Zafar),Amir, Wahab

 

[the Great Khan]

I think 40 is your weak number.

First you said Haris gets 40's and then gets out, while conveniently forgetting how many times he gets there. A player who gets 40's in 10/10 times is better than someone who gets 100 in 4 and 0's in 6, while averaging similar to the former

Then you said you have been watching cricket for 40 years. You have clearly failed to adapt to the change in culture that cricket has experienced, and are still in the 1970s.

Yes the change in cricket that hypes a guy who can't even get onto the pitch without getting injured. He starts huffing and puffing when he goes beyond double digits. He is weak outside the off stump and if you cut off the offside he''s a sitting duck. I hope he proves me wrong but with his lack of fitness and stickability I doubt he'll be back..

 

[Square Drive]

Would love to see him bat in tandem with Haris, our two best batting prospects. Next target should be to score a hundred.

Same here.

However, will be difficult to accomodate Haris into this XI. Hafeez is doing fabulous at #3, while Babar and Malik seem to have made the #4 and #5 positions their own, respectively.

 

[the Great Khan]

Fakhar and Hafeez should open (Next time we play ODIs hafeez will be eligible to bowl)

Ideally harris at 3, Babar at 4, Malik at 5 and Umar at 6 (Yes despite his brain farts it is clear that we need him, there is no other dynamic player for lower order)

Nawaz at 7, sarfraz at 8, Zafar/Sohail khan (In asia Zafar),Amir, Wahab

Lol that team won't nah more than a 100..laughable from some fans..

 

[Madplayer]

Oh please God help us.

Look people I've watched cricket for nearly 40 years. Trust me Haris is not the best batsman in Pakistan. If he is we are in big trouble.

You are under rating haris a lot. Talent wise babar is better than him but in terms of ability to play seam and swing and also temperament wise haris is better. We shouldn't downplay any one of them. Both are needed.

 

[the Great Khan]

Same here.

However, will be difficult to accomodate Haris into this XI. Hafeez is doing fabulous at #3, while Babar and Malik seem to have made the #4 and #5 positions their own, respectively.

Yes Malik has been hitting century after century hasn't he?? Sorry his place should be up for grabs..

 

[hur rizvi]

Lol that team won't nah more than a 100..laughable from some fans..

Given the options what would be your best XI?

What i posted is best ODI side we could field ATM

 

[Madplayer]

Yes the change in cricket that hypes a guy who can't even get onto the pitch without getting injured. He starts huffing and puffing when he goes beyond double digits. He is weak outside the off stump and if you cut off the offside he''s a sitting duck. I hope he proves me wrong but with his lack of fitness and stickability I doubt he'll be back..

that contradiction though

 

[the Great Khan]

You are under rating haris a lot. Talent wise babar is better than him but in terms of ability to play seam and swing and also temperament wise haris is better. We shouldn't downplay any one of them. Both are needed.

OK show me where haris can play swing and seam? Last I remember he didn't do that great in the wc. I can't remember seeing him in England or new Zealand. . As far as I can remember he has played in the windies the wc or Asia.

I remember him getting out in the windies to offstump slanting deliveries. But remind me of his prowess against the swinging ball??

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Yes Malik has been hitting century after century hasn't he?? Sorry his place should be up for grabs..

Based on last year odi performances he is permanent odi team member until England tour atleast.

 

[Square Drive]

Yes Malik has been hitting century after century hasn't he?? Sorry his place should be up for grabs..

And who, sir, will take his spot?

 

[the Great Khan]

that contradiction though

No its not. A player can have the tendency to poke at a decent offstump delivery and play on the offside too. He is all off side off side .. but his perceived strength is his weakness too. Good delivery on offstump slightly slanted away and he will poke or play at it. He doesn't look like he knows where his offstump is and as far as I can tell tuka lug jaata hay and he hits a few shots if the ball doesn't move much. Adjust your length and slant it away and he's toast.

 

[the Great Khan]

And who, sir, will take his spot?

I would look to give fawad or shafiq a chance. Give them as much time as malik.

 

[Madplayer]

OK show me where haris can play swing and seam? Last I remember he didn't do that great in the wc. I can't remember seeing him in England or new Zealand. . As far as I can remember he has played in the windies the wc or Asia.

I remember him getting out in the windies to offstump slanting deliveries. But remind me of his prowess against the swinging ball??

Handled anderson quiet easily in Australia when yk was dancing on the pitch. Handled starc quite well in the world cup when all others were struggling. Has hardly ever been lbw or bowled or even caught behind. Also if you look at his domestic record and the conditions where he plays his most matches in, you would know that he is good against swing and seam. Yes fitness is an issue with him, he needs to shed atleast 8-10 kilos.

 

[the Great Khan]

Based on last year odi performances he is permanent odi team member until England tour atleast.

It's unfortunate because we could be giving another player a chance here.

 

[asfandyar]

Yes the change in cricket that hypes a guy who can't even get onto the pitch without getting injured. He starts huffing and puffing when he goes beyond double digits. He is weak outside the off stump and if you cut off the offside he''s a sitting duck. I hope he proves me wrong but with his lack of fitness and stickability I doubt he'll be back..

I would like to know your opinion on who is the best batsman since Yousuf.

 

[Madplayer]

No its not. A player can have the tendency to poke at a decent offstump delivery and play on the offside too. He is all off side off side .. but his perceived strength is his weakness too. Good delivery on offstump slightly slanted away and he will poke or play at it. He doesn't look like he knows where his offstump is and as far as I can tell tuka lug jaata hay and he hits a few shots if the ball doesn't move much. Adjust your length and slant it away and he's toast.

How many times in his intl. Career has he been caught behind again?

 

[asfandyar]

Lol that team won't nah more than a 100..laughable from some fans..

Your 300+ team please?

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

OK show me where haris can play swing and seam? Last I remember he didn't do that great in the wc. I can't remember seeing him in England or new Zealand. . As far as I can remember he has played in the windies the wc or Asia.

I remember him getting out in the windies to offstump slanting deliveries. But remind me of his prowess against the swinging ball??

http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/83/83571/f_Batting_by_Season.html

Most difficult pitches and conditions ideal for seam and swing were in 2012-2013. Majority teams getting packed cheaply. And he scores 4 centuries in 5 Fc games with 650 plus runs aggregate. He finds a way to score. Will comeback much fitter and stronger with better stamenna and endurance.

 

[Seen Sheen]

Babar hasn't been tested against the moving ball yet but then you don't get such conditions in general in ODIS especially if you bat in the middle order so in theory we might have to wait until he breaks into the test lineup to see how his technique holds against the moving ball.

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[hur rizvi]

OK show me where haris can play swing and seam? Last I remember he didn't do that great in the wc. I can't remember seeing him in England or new Zealand. . As far as I can remember he has played in the windies the wc or Asia.

I remember him getting out in the windies to offstump slanting deliveries. But remind me of his prowess against the swinging ball??

Noone is saying he has spotless technique like KAllis or Dravid. He is just better than his team mates at playing the swing.

 

[the Great Khan]

Handled anderson quiet easily in Australia when yk was dancing on the pitch. Handled starc quite well in the world cup when all others were struggling. Has hardly ever been lbw or bowled or even caught behind. Also if you look at his domestic record and the conditions where he plays his most matches in, you would know that he is good against swing and seam. Yes fitness is an issue with him, he needs to shed atleast 8-10 kilos.

What were his scores in those games. Yk is nearly fourty so understandable he looked shaky. Haris is not the Messiah. Stop pinning your hopes on him. At this moment in time for me fawad fakhar and even malik are ahead of him.

 

[asfandyar]

I would look to give fawad or shafiq a chance. Give them as much time as malik.

I have Fawad in my DP, but even then I think your suggestion is laughable. Haris will beat Fawad 9/10 times. As for Shafiq, I think your 40 years have been trumped by a single post.

 

[Square Drive]

I would look to give fawad or shafiq a chance. Give them as much time as malik.

Even after Malik's splendid form/return?

I too am from Karachi but lol.

 

[the Great Khan]

http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/83/83571/f_Batting_by_Season.html

Most difficult pitches and conditions ideal for seam and swing were in 2012-2013. Majority teams getting packed cheaply. And he scores 4 centuries in 5 Fc games with 650 plus runs aggregate. He finds a way to score. Will comeback much fitter and stronger with better stamenna and endurance.

That maybe true but int cricket is a different ball game. He got into the side on performances like that but you need to show more at int level. He needs a big 'score in int cricket to convince me.

 

[Madplayer]

What were his scores in those games. Yk is nearly fourty so understandable he looked shaky. Haris is not the Messiah. Stop pinning your hopes on him. At this moment in time for me fawad fakhar and even malik are ahead of him.

30s 40s which i clearly agreed is due to lack of fitness. But We are talking about his superior ability to play swing and seam here not the scores he ended up at.

 

[the Great Khan]

I have Fawad in my DP, but even then I think your suggestion is laughable. Haris will beat Fawad 9/10 times. As for Shafiq, I think your 40 years have been trumped by a single post.

How many int 100''s does superman haris have?

 

[asfandyar]

It's unfortunate because we could be giving another player a chance here.

By other player, do you mean Shafiq? If yes, then we deserve the number 8 spot because of fans like you who have 40 years of experience, but still live in the 70s. Khan bhai open your eyes. We have Internet, computers and smartphones now.

 

[the Great Khan]

30s 40s which i clearly agreed is due to lack of fitness. But We are talking about his superior ability to play swing and seam here not the scores he ended up at.

No. We are talking about his viability as a int player. He has to show more or feel the axe. Simple. We can't rely on players because we think they look god for 30 runs or 40. I'll take an ugly 70 plus over a pretty 40 any day of the week.

 

[Madplayer]

How many int 100''s does superman haris have?

He has 2 match winning 85+ not out scores. How many centuries did misbah have? Or fawad alam before his solitary hundered against sl in a losing cause?
Haris has an ODI average of 43 at 82 strike rate. Better than any guy currently in the team.

 

[kingusama92]

I see hope for our middle order (in limited overs cricket) with Babar and Haris Sohail.

Good prospects.

What path they take is up to them. Management has to show them faith. Give them a great run in the team at one spot.

 

[Madplayer]

No. We are talking about his viability as a int player. He has to show more or feel the axe. Simple. We can't rely on players because we think they look god for 30 runs or 40. I'll take an ugly 70 plus over a pretty 40 any day of the week.

He has scored match winning 50s. His innings of 85* against NZ was classic and he single handedly won Pak the game in the end. Yes he needs to do more in terms of scoring 100s which he will. He isn't very experienced in intl. cricket.

 

[naseem]

Both maqsood and haris sohail has a footwork problem..they don't move their door too much...but haris plays swing well bcoz he plays late and close to his body....unfortunately any recent tours of nzland r not televised on India....so I can't say much about babar azam...but hope he doesn't goes the umar akmal maqsood ways..also let's hope md rizwan gets his mojo back and work hard on his shortcomings against spin

 

[asfandyar]

How many int 100''s does superman haris have?

How many does Wonder Woman Shafiq have?

 

[naseem]

Pak youngstrs don't hav any senior pro to guide them unlike Indian players e.g. kohli rohit had tendulkar...rahane had dravid to guide them...plus ipl. ...I think pak badly needs psl now..in order to just update themselves to the demands of modern cricket

 

[the Great Khan]

By other player, do you mean Shafiq? If yes, then we deserve the number 8 spot because of fans like you who have 40 years of experience, but still live in the 70s. Khan bhai open your eyes. We have Internet, computers and smartphones now.

He deserves a chance. He has great technique temperament and if given confidence can do a job for us. Why not? He''s better than hacks like malik. Also we need to push azhar down the order. Azhar fawad shafiq babar perhaps aslam sarfraz rizwan hafeez fakhar should be our batting pool for odi''s. And play players. Give them enough chances.

 

[the Great Khan]

How many does Wonder Woman Shafiq have?

I was thinking about fawad who has decent scores but is ignored by all. Shafiq has how many test hundreds?? That is enough for him to get selected in odi''s.

 

[the Great Khan]

He has scored match winning 50s. His innings of 85* against NZ was classic and he single handedly won Pak the game in the end. Yes he needs to do more in terms of scoring 100s which he will. He isn't very experienced in intl. cricket.

Can somebody post his last few scores?,