BreadPakoda
First Class Captain
- Joined
- Feb 8, 2018
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These pyjama parties don't matter.
Babar is the king in the real thing, where Rahul has waved the white flag.
King in tests?
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These pyjama parties don't matter.
Babar is the king in the real thing, where Rahul has waved the white flag.
King in tests?
In terms of raw ability there was never a comparison between the two. Rahul is insanely gifted. If he keeps his focus he will easily surpass Babar in all formats and not just T20s. He can do everything that Babar can but when he is in his zone, he can also be the most destructive batsman in the world, something that is beyond Babar.
In terms of raw ability there was never a comparison between the two. Rahul is insanely gifted. If he keeps his focus he will easily surpass Babar in all formats and not just T20s. He can do everything that Babar can but when he is in his zone, he can also be the most destructive batsman in the world, something that is beyond Babar.
Yes...when compared with Rahul
India has Rohit Sharma and Dhawan which is why Rahul often hasn't found a place in the LOI team. Babar has no similar competition for his spot.Been hearing this since the creation of this thread. Babar has 7000 International Runs. Kl has 4600.
O please. That was a good innings but 2 very easy catches were dropped. And on top of that he hit steyn who is a mediocre limited over bowler that too on his last legs and shivam dubey who is a pie thrower.
Kl Rahul is good but its just that he is good for the ipl only where he can feast on mediocre bowlers. He had a wonderful ipl in 2018 also and his international performance remained the same. Just look at Dhoni even now he is a beast in IPL as here he can feast on poor bowling
Been hearing this since the creation of this thread. Babar has 7000 International Runs. Kl has 4600.
KL rahul is the only Indian batsman who can match Bairstow/Buttler for sheer destructive ability when in the zone, forget babar. And he does that playing much better looking strokes than either Jos or YJB.
India has Rohit Sharma and Dhawan which is why Rahul often hasn't found a place in the LOI team. Babar has no similar competition for his spot.
In ODIs, I totally agree. In tests, both are yet to prove themselves, although Babar is still much ahead.
It works both ways.
KL Rahul has Kohli, Rohit and Dhawan, so he can play freely without pressure as the team doesn't depend on him. But even then he hasn't been able to perform consistently and lost his place.
While the whole Pak batting revolves around Babar and he has to carry the whole batting unit on his shoulders and still he has managed to do well.
No he can't play freely because he's playing for his spot and it'll always be in the back of his mind that one failure means he'll be dropped. He's been dropped from the T20I team even when he's scored at an average of nearly 50 with a strike rate of 145+.KL Rahul has Kohli, Rohit and Dhawan, so he can play freely without pressure as the team doesn't depend on him. But even then he hasn't been able to perform consistently and lost his place.
There is also a third factor called weight of expectations.
Pakistan is a small team. Every time we play Australia, England, India, South Africa, New Zealand etc. in ODIs, we are underdogs and expect to lose.
India is a top team. They always expect to win no matter who they play, so the pressure to perform is much greater.
Babar has lost ODI series against all these sides (except ofc India because we don’t play) and he has failed in some of these series as well but his place has never been under threat.
In Jan 2018, Pakistan were whitewashed in New Zealand 5-0. Babar averaged 6, and kept his place for the next series.
If India gets whitewashed and Rahul averages 6, he will find himself out of the team.
I agree that they are negative aspects of playing for a pathetic team, but there are plenty of positive aspects as well. Babar can be looked at in both ways.
Rahul only played 4 games in the one year leading up to the World Cup.It’s not unfair to compare Rahul and Babar in ODI’s. Rahul had a reasonable number of chances and could have nailed down the number 4 spot in ODI’s but failed to do so.
It’s not unfair to compare Rahul and Babar in ODI’s. Rahul had a reasonable number of chances and could have nailed down the number 4 spot in ODI’s but failed to do so. Babar would have been India’s permanent no.4 in a line up of Dhawan Rohit and Kohli. Heck India even went for D Karthik and Rayudu instead of Iyer for the WC. Regardless,
Rahul also had many chances as an opener in the WC and failed to perform impressively apart from one innings and that too against Sri Lanka. Just like there is no shame in admitting that Rahul has a far superior power games, Babar is a complete ODI batsman and has been from 2 years before his debut. He has always averaged 50+ at a 85+ strike rate and will only get better. It is worth nothing that Kl Rahul is also nearing his 30’s and is ahead in terms of development but has been outshone by Babar.
Rahul only played 4 games in the one year leading up to the World Cup.
A guy like Shreyas Iyer was dropped even after an average of 42 and a strike rate of 96. Babar would never find a consistent run in the Indian team.
Of course it is unfair.
Rahul made his debut on 11 June 2016 and he has only played 32 ODIs.
Between his debut date and today, India have played 91 ODIs.
Which means he has only played about 35% of ODIs during this time.
Out of these 32 ODIs, he has played 18 as opener.
3 ODIs at number 3.
5 ODIs at number 4 & 5.
1 ODI at number 6.
That is a very difficult environment to perform in. He has barely had 10+ matches on the trot in one position.
He has been used as a backup to Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli without the security of a permanent position in the team.
A sample of 5 ODIs at number 4 is nowhere near to conclude that he has failed at that position. As I mentioned in my previous post, Babar averaged 6.20 in a 5 match series in New Zealand in 2018.
Give Rahul a permanent position in a fixed position and watch what he does.
On the other hand, Babar has been given a permanent run at number 3 since 2016 and has played pretty much every ODI that Pakistan has played during this period.
If all was that good a one day player at least his List A record would suggest so? But no, he has a strike rate of 77. Does he not get enough chances for his domestic team either
It works both ways.
KL Rahul has Kohli, Rohit and Dhawan, so he can play freely without pressure as the team doesn't depend on him. But even then he hasn't been able to perform consistently and lost his place.
While the whole Pak batting revolves around Babar and he has to carry the whole batting unit on his shoulders and still he has managed to do well.
Now that he has smashed the door open in T20Is , the team has tried to accomodate him in middle order and he is making merry there so far.
people also forget that vijay shankar a pie chucker wrecked pakistan in the WC and also new zeland in the bilaterals prior to 2019 world cup where india won 4 -1.
Shivam dubey may be a trundler. chahar also a trundler. But they may be better than you think they are. I dislike both but to act like they are complete scrubs is a bit misleading.
Don't be so sure that Pakistan's reserves bowlers can outbowl them
Please elaborate further.
Its the other way round mate. He has to perform every time he gets a chance, even then he loses his place. Noone is allowed to play freely, everyone bar the top3, Pandya and Bumrah's place is at threat.
Now that he has smashed the door open in T20Is , the team has tried to accomodate him in middle order and he is making merry there so far.
There is also a third factor called weight of expectations.
Pakistan is a small team. Every time we play Australia, England, India, South Africa, New Zealand etc. in ODIs, we are underdogs and expect to lose.
India is a top team. They always expect to win no matter who they play, so the pressure to perform is much greater.
Babar has lost ODI series against all these sides (except ofc India because we don’t play) and he has failed in some of these series as well but his place has never been under threat.
In Jan 2018, Pakistan were whitewashed in New Zealand 5-0. Babar averaged 6, and kept his place for the next series.
If India gets whitewashed and Rahul averages 6, he will find himself out of the team.
I agree that they are negative aspects of playing for a pathetic team, but there are plenty of positive aspects as well. Babar can be looked at in both ways.
That maybe the case in T20s which I don't follow much.
But, Rahul was given a long rope in Test cricket and was finally dropped after being poor for almost a year.
Even in ODIs he didn't grab whatever chances he got. His non-performance allowed the likes of Rayudu and Karthik to play at #4 for India.
Even in 2019 WC where he opened for a few games on the trot he didn't do that great.
Will babar azam be playing longer format for somerset?
As others have said his test game has detoriated, especially for an opener, he is not the tightest. We carried him around far too long and that affected his confidence. He needs to somehow build himself as a middle order option.
For ODI's I think he got just one series at #4. And its not just him, the merry go round for that position has seen Rahane, Iyer, Pandey, Yuvi, Dk, Rayudu all come and go. All of them had the same sword hanging around their necks, either perform or perish. And that too when the big 3 do the bulk of the scoring, the opportunities are few. So every innings could be the last one.
He got games as opener and did reasonably but not enough to dislodge the main guys. I believe he has been unfairly treated in ODIs. Can see him now though building on that spot at 5 as Keeper batsman. The guy is genuinely class.
Rahul only played 4 games in the one year leading up to the World Cup.
A guy like Shreyas Iyer was dropped even after an average of 42 and a strike rate of 96. Babar would never find a consistent run in the Indian team.
You think he'd be able to perform at the same level with the constant fear of losing his spot in the team? Or if he gets to play 4 matches in a year?Babar is far superior to both Rahul and Iyer in ODIs, so ideally he should get a consistent run.
Rahul in odi is almost as good as babar when he bats at number 4. that's his position. He is a match winner when he is on.
It is only a matter of time when Rahul starts smashing daddy tons in tests and ODIs. The potential in that guy is literally limitless and i don't remember when did I call a batsman limitless. Probably never did.
If anyone in ODI Cricket can smash Hitman's 261 it is Rahul
So apparently Babar has to replace an international player to stand a chance in the IPL. Hence, Babar is head and shoulders better than the following:
Aaron Finch
Shane Watson
Nicholas Pooran
Shymron Hatymer
Quinton De Qock
Faf Du Plesiss
David Warner
Glen Maxwell
You think he'd be able to perform at the same level with the constant fear of losing his spot in the team? Or if he gets to play 4 matches in a year?
After the century in Ipl Rahul seems to have dropped off. For those watching why is his strike rate very low? Is he being too cautious or just struggling?
Babar is well ahead. Rahul is 28 and still Work In Progress.
So apparently Babar has to replace an international player to stand a chance in the IPL. Hence, Babar is head and shoulders better than the following:
Aaron Finch
Shane Watson
Nicholas Pooran
Shymron Hatymer
Quinton De Qock
Faf Du Plesiss
David Warner
Glen Maxwell
I like this thread, it's like a ritual after Ind or Pak play any game. So for today, Babar Azam wins again![]()
Kids stuff. The day one of the players perform hes better.
Rahul is spectacular but very inconsistent.
If you compare Rahul on his good day vs Babar on his good day, Rahul wins it.
But Rahul doesnt have many good days and Babar absolutely kills him with consistency. Hence, this thread has become a joke and an insult to Babar.
When the truth is that both players are different level players.
KL Rahul seems to be good in LOI, let's where he will end, he can still go either way. But for those who understand cricket you can see he doesn't have the game to become as good as Babar Azam.
Babar Azam is ATG material, players you find once in a generation.
Rahul is spectacular but very inconsistent.
If you compare Rahul on his good day vs Babar on his good day, Rahul wins it.
But Rahul doesnt have many good days and Babar absolutely kills him with consistency. Hence, this thread has become a joke and an insult to Babar.