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Babar Azam versus Lokesh Rahul

Internationals is where Rahul still has a lot to prove for himself. But there is a reason why a lot of Indians back him highly and he proved that with today's inning.
 
He is up there with the best in this format and is still progressing. In ODI cricket he has also seen a resurgance in the middle order. Both suit his game as he doesnt have to over think his approach which he does in tests or at the top in ODIs.
 
In terms of raw ability there was never a comparison between the two. Rahul is insanely gifted. If he keeps his focus he will easily surpass Babar in all formats and not just T20s. He can do everything that Babar can but when he is in his zone, he can also be the most destructive batsman in the world, something that is beyond Babar.
 
In terms of raw ability there was never a comparison between the two. Rahul is insanely gifted. If he keeps his focus he will easily surpass Babar in all formats and not just T20s. He can do everything that Babar can but when he is in his zone, he can also be the most destructive batsman in the world, something that is beyond Babar.

O please. That was a good innings but 2 very easy catches were dropped. And on top of that he hit steyn who is a mediocre limited over bowler that too on his last legs and shivam dubey who is a pie thrower.
Kl Rahul is good but its just that he is good for the ipl only where he can feast on mediocre bowlers. He had a wonderful ipl in 2018 also and his international performance remained the same. Just look at Dhoni even now he is a beast in IPL as here he can feast on poor bowling
 
In terms of raw ability there was never a comparison between the two. Rahul is insanely gifted. If he keeps his focus he will easily surpass Babar in all formats and not just T20s. He can do everything that Babar can but when he is in his zone, he can also be the most destructive batsman in the world, something that is beyond Babar.


Been hearing this since the creation of this thread. Babar has 7000 International Runs. Kl has 4600.
 
There is no question about it that Rahul has greater abilities as a striker.

Babar has better consistency but Rahul can operate at a strike which Babar cannot.
 
Been hearing this since the creation of this thread. Babar has 7000 International Runs. Kl has 4600.
India has Rohit Sharma and Dhawan which is why Rahul often hasn't found a place in the LOI team. Babar has no similar competition for his spot.
 
O please. That was a good innings but 2 very easy catches were dropped. And on top of that he hit steyn who is a mediocre limited over bowler that too on his last legs and shivam dubey who is a pie thrower.
Kl Rahul is good but its just that he is good for the ipl only where he can feast on mediocre bowlers. He had a wonderful ipl in 2018 also and his international performance remained the same. Just look at Dhoni even now he is a beast in IPL as here he can feast on poor bowling

Been hearing this since the creation of this thread. Babar has 7000 International Runs. Kl has 4600.

Rahul has played such destructive innings multiple times in both international cricket and PSL. Babar does not have the ability and skill to showcase such power-hitting. He is clearly a better T20 batsman by some margin.

In Test cricket, Rahul’s best knocks have been better than Babar’s. The hundred in Sydney on his first tour of Australia in 2014, the 199 against England (Babar’s highest score is 143), an average of 65 against Australia at home in very difficult conditions where all openers and Kohli badly failed, 149 in England etc. are more impressive performances than what Babar has produced in Test cricket.

However, over the last couple of years, he has lost his focus and discipline in Test cricket. If he gets back to his 2014-2016 mode, he will be a better Test batsman than Babar.

In ODIs, he has been unlucky because he hasn’t had a consistent run in the top 3 because of Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli. If he was in Pakistan, he would have been our first choice opener for 5-6 years now and would have racked up 15+ hundreds by now.

It is simply unfair to compare his ODI output with Babar. Kohli and Rohit are better ODI batsmen than anyone Pakistan has ever produced, and Dhawan is a better opener than anyone except Saeed Anwar.

It is never a great idea to compare Pakistani batsmen with India’s. 99/100 times, the Indian batsman would outperform his Pakistani counterpart.

Pakistan’s batting culture is a joke. Babar is the first all-format batsman we have produced since Yousuf, while India produced all-format batsmen every 3-4 years.
 
KL rahul is the only Indian batsman who can match Bairstow/Buttler for sheer destructive ability when in the zone, forget babar. And he does that playing much better looking strokes than either Jos or YJB.
 
KL rahul is the only Indian batsman who can match Bairstow/Buttler for sheer destructive ability when in the zone, forget babar. And he does that playing much better looking strokes than either Jos or YJB.

Please elaborate further.
 
Two years ago, Rohit and Dhawan gave Pakistani batsmen a lesson on how to bat on UAE pitches.

Now it is Rahul’s turn.
 
India has Rohit Sharma and Dhawan which is why Rahul often hasn't found a place in the LOI team. Babar has no similar competition for his spot.

It works both ways.

KL Rahul has Kohli, Rohit and Dhawan, so he can play freely without pressure as the team doesn't depend on him. But even then he hasn't been able to perform consistently and lost his place.

While the whole Pak batting revolves around Babar and he has to carry the whole batting unit on his shoulders and still he has managed to do well.
 
In ODIs, I totally agree. In tests, both are yet to prove themselves, although Babar is still much ahead.

Yes I agree. Both have a long road ahead in Tests but Babar's curve is rising while Rahul's curve has fallen sharply in last 2 years.

Let's see how it goes in future.
 
It works both ways.

KL Rahul has Kohli, Rohit and Dhawan, so he can play freely without pressure as the team doesn't depend on him. But even then he hasn't been able to perform consistently and lost his place.

While the whole Pak batting revolves around Babar and he has to carry the whole batting unit on his shoulders and still he has managed to do well.

There is also a third factor called weight of expectations.

Pakistan is a small team. Every time we play Australia, England, India, South Africa, New Zealand etc. in ODIs, we are underdogs and expect to lose.

India is a top team. They always expect to win no matter who they play, so the pressure to perform is much greater.

Babar has lost ODI series against all these sides (except ofc India because we don’t play) and he has failed in some of these series as well but his place has never been under threat.

In Jan 2018, Pakistan were whitewashed in New Zealand 5-0. Babar averaged 6, and kept his place for the next series.

If India gets whitewashed and Rahul averages 6, he will find himself out of the team.

I agree that they are negative aspects of playing for a pathetic team, but there are plenty of positive aspects as well. Babar can be looked at in both ways.
 
KL Rahul has Kohli, Rohit and Dhawan, so he can play freely without pressure as the team doesn't depend on him. But even then he hasn't been able to perform consistently and lost his place.
No he can't play freely because he's playing for his spot and it'll always be in the back of his mind that one failure means he'll be dropped. He's been dropped from the T20I team even when he's scored at an average of nearly 50 with a strike rate of 145+.

Babar knows that even if he goes through a slump, his spot in the team isn't in danger.
 
There is also a third factor called weight of expectations.

Pakistan is a small team. Every time we play Australia, England, India, South Africa, New Zealand etc. in ODIs, we are underdogs and expect to lose.

India is a top team. They always expect to win no matter who they play, so the pressure to perform is much greater.

Babar has lost ODI series against all these sides (except ofc India because we don’t play) and he has failed in some of these series as well but his place has never been under threat.

In Jan 2018, Pakistan were whitewashed in New Zealand 5-0. Babar averaged 6, and kept his place for the next series.

If India gets whitewashed and Rahul averages 6, he will find himself out of the team.

I agree that they are negative aspects of playing for a pathetic team, but there are plenty of positive aspects as well. Babar can be looked at in both ways.


It’s not unfair to compare Rahul and Babar in ODI’s. Rahul had a reasonable number of chances and could have nailed down the number 4 spot in ODI’s but failed to do so. Babar would have been India’s permanent no.4 in a line up of Dhawan Rohit and Kohli. Heck India even went for D Karthik and Rayudu instead of Iyer for the WC. Regardless,

Rahul also had many chances as an opener in the WC and failed to perform impressively apart from one innings and that too against Sri Lanka. Just like there is no shame in admitting that Rahul has a far superior power games, Babar is a complete ODI batsman and has been from 2 years before his debut. He has always averaged 50+ at a 85+ strike rate and will only get better. It is worth nothing that Kl Rahul is also nearing his 30’s and is ahead in terms of development but has been outshone by Babar.
 
Two incredible players.

One more consistent than the other and is the best test match orthodox strokeplayer in the world.

The other is always fighting doubts but is overall the most devastating strokeplayer in the world. Rahul generates power in his orthodox shots which is never seen before level good.
 
Rahul is atleast a tier above Babar Azam as a T20 bat.

Should have been a tier above in ODIs as well by now but captain brainless wanted Rayudus, Rainas and Rahanes. :facepalm:

But Babar is far better in Tests though.
 
It’s not unfair to compare Rahul and Babar in ODI’s. Rahul had a reasonable number of chances and could have nailed down the number 4 spot in ODI’s but failed to do so.
Rahul only played 4 games in the one year leading up to the World Cup.

A guy like Shreyas Iyer was dropped even after an average of 42 and a strike rate of 96. Babar would never find a consistent run in the Indian team.
 
It’s not unfair to compare Rahul and Babar in ODI’s. Rahul had a reasonable number of chances and could have nailed down the number 4 spot in ODI’s but failed to do so. Babar would have been India’s permanent no.4 in a line up of Dhawan Rohit and Kohli. Heck India even went for D Karthik and Rayudu instead of Iyer for the WC. Regardless,

Rahul also had many chances as an opener in the WC and failed to perform impressively apart from one innings and that too against Sri Lanka. Just like there is no shame in admitting that Rahul has a far superior power games, Babar is a complete ODI batsman and has been from 2 years before his debut. He has always averaged 50+ at a 85+ strike rate and will only get better. It is worth nothing that Kl Rahul is also nearing his 30’s and is ahead in terms of development but has been outshone by Babar.

Of course it is unfair.

Rahul made his debut on 11 June 2016 and he has only played 32 ODIs.

Between his debut date and today, India have played 91 ODIs.

Which means he has only played about 35% of ODIs during this time.

Out of these 32 ODIs, he has played 18 as opener.

3 ODIs at number 3.

5 ODIs at number 4 & 5.

1 ODI at number 6.

That is a very difficult environment to perform in. He has barely had 10+ matches on the trot in one position.

He has been used as a backup to Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli without the security of a permanent position in the team.

A sample of 5 ODIs at number 4 is nowhere near to conclude that he has failed at that position. As I mentioned in my previous post, Babar averaged 6.20 in a 5 match series in New Zealand in 2018.

Give Rahul a permanent position in a fixed position and watch what he does.

On the other hand, Babar has been given a permanent run at number 3 since 2016 and has played pretty much every ODI that Pakistan has played during this period.
 
Of course it is unfair.

Rahul made his debut on 11 June 2016 and he has only played 32 ODIs.

Between his debut date and today, India have played 91 ODIs.

Which means he has only played about 35% of ODIs during this time.

Out of these 32 ODIs, he has played 18 as opener.

3 ODIs at number 3.

5 ODIs at number 4 & 5.

1 ODI at number 6.

That is a very difficult environment to perform in. He has barely had 10+ matches on the trot in one position.

He has been used as a backup to Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli without the security of a permanent position in the team.

A sample of 5 ODIs at number 4 is nowhere near to conclude that he has failed at that position. As I mentioned in my previous post, Babar averaged 6.20 in a 5 match series in New Zealand in 2018.

Give Rahul a permanent position in a fixed position and watch what he does.

On the other hand, Babar has been given a permanent run at number 3 since 2016 and has played pretty much every ODI that Pakistan has played during this period.

If all was that good a one day player at least his List A record would suggest so? But no, he has a strike rate of 77. Does he not get enough chances for his domestic team either
 
If all was that good a one day player at least his List A record would suggest so? But no, he has a strike rate of 77. Does he not get enough chances for his domestic team either

Indian players rarely play domestic matches after breaking into the Indian team, so their domestic stats are often misleading. It will be interesting to see how many domestic OD matches he has played over the last 5-6 years.

His strike rate in international cricket as well as IPL showcases his explosive power and proves that his List-A SR is very misleading.
 
It works both ways.

KL Rahul has Kohli, Rohit and Dhawan, so he can play freely without pressure as the team doesn't depend on him. But even then he hasn't been able to perform consistently and lost his place.

While the whole Pak batting revolves around Babar and he has to carry the whole batting unit on his shoulders and still he has managed to do well.

Its the other way round mate. He has to perform every time he gets a chance, even then he loses his place. Noone is allowed to play freely, everyone bar the top3, Pandya and Bumrah's place is at threat.
Now that he has smashed the door open in T20Is , the team has tried to accomodate him in middle order and he is making merry there so far.
 
people also forget that vijay shankar a pie chucker wrecked pakistan in the WC and also new zeland in the bilaterals prior to 2019 world cup where india won 4 -1.

Shivam dubey may be a trundler. chahar also a trundler. But they may be better than you think they are. I dislike both but to act like they are complete scrubs is a bit misleading.

Don't be so sure that Pakistan's reserves bowlers can outbowl them
 
people also forget that vijay shankar a pie chucker wrecked pakistan in the WC and also new zeland in the bilaterals prior to 2019 world cup where india won 4 -1.

Shivam dubey may be a trundler. chahar also a trundler. But they may be better than you think they are. I dislike both but to act like they are complete scrubs is a bit misleading.

Don't be so sure that Pakistan's reserves bowlers can outbowl them


Wrong thread mate.
 
Rahul is one of the better stroke makers in world cricket. When On song he makes Kohli and Rohit look pedestrian. Due to this he can turn around a game on its head. But Babar has better abg, though not as impactful as Rahul, he still scores run at a fair clip.For me its even Stevens in the LOI game.

But his test game has gone for a toss. While Babbar hasnt done great in tests either, his performances still outstrip Rahul by some distance.

So overall Babar is better.
 
Its the other way round mate. He has to perform every time he gets a chance, even then he loses his place. Noone is allowed to play freely, everyone bar the top3, Pandya and Bumrah's place is at threat.
Now that he has smashed the door open in T20Is , the team has tried to accomodate him in middle order and he is making merry there so far.

That maybe the case in T20s which I don't follow much.

But, Rahul was given a long rope in Test cricket and was finally dropped after being poor for almost a year.

Even in ODIs he didn't grab whatever chances he got. His non-performance allowed the likes of Rayudu and Karthik to play at #4 for India.
Even in 2019 WC where he opened for a few games on the trot he didn't do that great.
 
There is also a third factor called weight of expectations.

Pakistan is a small team. Every time we play Australia, England, India, South Africa, New Zealand etc. in ODIs, we are underdogs and expect to lose.

India is a top team. They always expect to win no matter who they play, so the pressure to perform is much greater.

Babar has lost ODI series against all these sides (except ofc India because we don’t play) and he has failed in some of these series as well but his place has never been under threat.

In Jan 2018, Pakistan were whitewashed in New Zealand 5-0. Babar averaged 6, and kept his place for the next series.

If India gets whitewashed and Rahul averages 6, he will find himself out of the team.

I agree that they are negative aspects of playing for a pathetic team, but there are plenty of positive aspects as well. Babar can be looked at in both ways.

I get your point but not sure if I fully agree with it.

I agree that Pakistan would start as underdogs against Aus, Eng , Ind, NZ.

But I am sure that whenever Babar goes out to bat against them he will always be looking to win and not for a respectable loss so there's always that weight of pressure and even more so when you know that it all depends on you and there's no one else to bank on.

I agree that Babar won't be dropped after a poor series and that's because he has earned that right by establishing himself as the team's premier batsman.

Before that NZ series, Babar was the best batsman in Pak team and you don't drop your best after a one-off poor tour.
Just like India didn't drop Kohli after his horror tour of Eng in 2014 or even the recent poor tour of NZ.

P.S. I am not saying that Babar is as good as Kohli, my point is that he's as important to Pakistan as Kohli is to India as both of them are best in their respective teams.
 
Rahul is a very good T20 player however I have never given IPL runs any importance. Lets judge players on high pressure international cricket. There was a time when the likes of Maxwell or Gayle were making hay in IPL who are known for their inconsistent performances in international cricket.
 
That maybe the case in T20s which I don't follow much.

But, Rahul was given a long rope in Test cricket and was finally dropped after being poor for almost a year.

Even in ODIs he didn't grab whatever chances he got. His non-performance allowed the likes of Rayudu and Karthik to play at #4 for India.
Even in 2019 WC where he opened for a few games on the trot he didn't do that great.

As others have said his test game has detoriated, especially for an opener, he is not the tightest. We carried him around far too long and that affected his confidence. He needs to somehow build himself as a middle order option.

For ODI's I think he got just one series at #4. And its not just him, the merry go round for that position has seen Rahane, Iyer, Pandey, Yuvi, Dk, Rayudu all come and go. All of them had the same sword hanging around their necks, either perform or perish. And that too when the big 3 do the bulk of the scoring, the opportunities are few. So every innings could be the last one.

He got games as opener and did reasonably but not enough to dislodge the main guys. I believe he has been unfairly treated in ODIs. Can see him now though building on that spot at 5 as Keeper batsman. The guy is genuinely class.
 
it seems like when it comes to indian players we look at their potential and talent, but when it comes to pakistani players we can only go by their record. Last year it was shubnam gill better than any batsmen pakistan could produce, these threads are only created to troll, dont get too caught up in it.
 
As others have said his test game has detoriated, especially for an opener, he is not the tightest. We carried him around far too long and that affected his confidence. He needs to somehow build himself as a middle order option.

For ODI's I think he got just one series at #4. And its not just him, the merry go round for that position has seen Rahane, Iyer, Pandey, Yuvi, Dk, Rayudu all come and go. All of them had the same sword hanging around their necks, either perform or perish. And that too when the big 3 do the bulk of the scoring, the opportunities are few. So every innings could be the last one.

He got games as opener and did reasonably but not enough to dislodge the main guys. I believe he has been unfairly treated in ODIs. Can see him now though building on that spot at 5 as Keeper batsman. The guy is genuinely class.

Yeah, his test game has regressed heavily, I remember him being a lot tighter in defence when I first saw him in 2013-14. He didn't have a power game then though.

In ODIs, it was a bit surprising when Kohli didn't give Rahul an extended stint in the middle-order (albeit Rahul didn't do that well in the few innings he got) and preferred the likes of Rayudu, Karthik, Shankar, Pant over him.
Anyways, he has had a resurgence in recent times as a keeper-batsman, let's see if he can replicate his IPL form in international cricket.
 
Rahul only played 4 games in the one year leading up to the World Cup.

A guy like Shreyas Iyer was dropped even after an average of 42 and a strike rate of 96. Babar would never find a consistent run in the Indian team.

Babar is far superior to both Rahul and Iyer in ODIs, so ideally he should get a consistent run. However, Indian selectors have made some shocking decisions in the recent past so I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't given a consistent run.
 
Rahul in odi is almost as good as babar when he bats at number 4. that's his position. He is a match winner when he is on.

babar has been more consistent but Rahul has potential to explode in short formats.
 
It is only a matter of time when Rahul starts smashing daddy tons in tests and ODIs. The potential in that guy is literally limitless and i don't remember when did I call a batsman limitless. Probably never did.

If anyone in ODI Cricket can smash Hitman's 261 it is Rahul
 
It is only a matter of time when Rahul starts smashing daddy tons in tests and ODIs. The potential in that guy is literally limitless and i don't remember when did I call a batsman limitless. Probably never did.

If anyone in ODI Cricket can smash Hitman's 261 it is Rahul

That time is ticking. Its not like he's 24-25. He's 28 and should make hay in the next 4 years.
 
So apparently Babar has to replace an international player to stand a chance in the IPL. Hence, Babar is head and shoulders better than the following:

Aaron Finch
Shane Watson
Nicholas Pooran
Shymron Hatymer
Quinton De Qock
Faf Du Plesiss
David Warner
Glen Maxwell
 
So apparently Babar has to replace an international player to stand a chance in the IPL. Hence, Babar is head and shoulders better than the following:

Aaron Finch
Shane Watson
Nicholas Pooran
Shymron Hatymer
Quinton De Qock
Faf Du Plesiss
David Warner
Glen Maxwell

If I have to win a game scoring at over 8 an over, I will pick Finch/QDK/Warner/Maxwell over Babar.

However Babar is comfortably better than Pooran(Hack)/Hetmayer(Fatty)/Faf.
 
After the century in Ipl Rahul seems to have dropped off. For those watching why is his strike rate very low? Is he being too cautious or just struggling?
 
After the century in Ipl Rahul seems to have dropped off. For those watching why is his strike rate very low? Is he being too cautious or just struggling?

it's batting in the UAE. The wickets were fresh early on in the tourney. I hope people realize outside of the UAE and slow low wickets of the WI Babar's career SR jumps to 140 at an average of 53. Truly Elite, MA :babarazam
 
For all the talent, there is a reason why he bats at 5 in Indian ODI team below Shreyas Iyer and is not in the Indian test XI.
 
KL is the highest run scorer so far in this IPL.. Consistence and playing match winnings knock while leading his team.. Good challenge for Babar.:bobs
 
are people still talking about Rahul performances in IPL and comparing to babar? Babar does not play IPL to no direct comparison is possible. Consider only internationals.
 
Is Mamoon indirectly saying that Rahul would have been better than Babar if has given more opportunities?

Mamoon would have been better too if his parents took him to the psychiatrist at the right age as well. But just like it is for Rahul its too late now for Mamoon as well :(
 
So apparently Babar has to replace an international player to stand a chance in the IPL. Hence, Babar is head and shoulders better than the following:

Aaron Finch
Shane Watson
Nicholas Pooran
Shymron Hatymer
Quinton De Qock
Faf Du Plesiss
David Warner
Glen Maxwell

Babar cant replace Pooran.
Hetmyer and Maxi batting in middle, so cant compare with Babar.

Babar better than Finch and Watson.
 
He will most likely play in the first test also unless Kaptaan Kohli goes with Shaw and Agarwal at top and Rahane at 5.
 
Gone for 12 in a high-power run chase

Rahul c Smith b Zampa 12(15) [4s-1]
 
First game. Give him a break. He will be fine. Babar is better but Rahul still has potential if he doesn't always play t20 mode.
 
This is the longest thread on a non-sensical topic I have seen on PP.

I want to make another one - "Fakhar Zaman is better than Rohit Sharma." Let's get 3400 posts on this topics as well - because why not. There will always be someone making arguments in favor.
 
Rahul is spectacular but very inconsistent.

If you compare Rahul on his good day vs Babar on his good day, Rahul wins it.

But Rahul doesnt have many good days and Babar absolutely kills him with consistency. Hence, this thread has become a joke and an insult to Babar.
 
I like this thread, it's like a ritual after Ind or Pak play any game. So for today, Babar Azam wins again :)
 
Kids stuff. The day one of the players perform hes better.

When the truth is that both players are different level players.
KL Rahul seems to be good in LOI, let's where he will end, he can still go either way. But for those who understand cricket you can see he doesn't have the game to become as good as Babar Azam.

Babar Azam is ATG material, players you find once in a generation.
 
Rahul is spectacular but very inconsistent.

If you compare Rahul on his good day vs Babar on his good day, Rahul wins it.

But Rahul doesnt have many good days and Babar absolutely kills him with consistency. Hence, this thread has become a joke and an insult to Babar.

That's a post that really doesn't mean anything.
It's like saying Hetmyer's good days are better than David's good days.
And what?
 
When the truth is that both players are different level players.
KL Rahul seems to be good in LOI, let's where he will end, he can still go either way. But for those who understand cricket you can see he doesn't have the game to become as good as Babar Azam.

Babar Azam is ATG material, players you find once in a generation.

Offcourse Babar is better than Rahul. I'm just stating a normal comparison thread on PP. Even the old threads like Faheem vs Pandya and Akmal vs Kohli
 
Rahul is spectacular but very inconsistent.

If you compare Rahul on his good day vs Babar on his good day, Rahul wins it.

But Rahul doesnt have many good days and Babar absolutely kills him with consistency. Hence, this thread has become a joke and an insult to Babar.

In all seriousness, this is the best comment in this thread that i have come across. Defines Babar and Rahul's career trajectory perfectly.
 
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