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Babar Azam versus Lokesh Rahul

Devadwal said:
Babar is nobody compares to king Kohli .
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Badshah Babar will overshadow king Kohli and no amount of crying and whining can stop that.

This is what Babar needs to do in each format to make Kohli, the poor man's Babar Azam:

ODIs: A couple of match-winning knocks in WC KO matches and stay on track with his projected run-scoring.

Prediction: Babar surpasses Kohli by 2027.

T20s: Win the PSL a couple of times, score a couple more hundreds and be the top-scorer in one more T20 WC.

Prediction: Babar surpasses Kohli by 2026.

Tests: Just keep playing test cricket for another ten years. Kohli is not a great test batsman, merely a good one so all Babar needs to do is stay a good test batter.

Prediction: Babar surpasses Kohli by 2028/2029.
 
Bilal7 said:
What century?

Babar is on track to surpass Kohli and you're comparing him to a random wicket-keeper.

Like Kohli, Babar's best formats are ODIs and T20s. Kohli will never be considered a great test player given his career is pretty much done but Babar still has 8-10 years to start focusing on test cricket.
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Kohli is not considered as a great test player? Thats news to me

He has incredible count of 100’s in SENA with a good average. And with an average closing to 50 (49.16), he is not great??

Gone are the days when batters used to score tons of runs in Aus. Look at the averages in test matches last 6-7 years. He is doing pretty well. Hopefully, he will push that avg to 50+ in 2024.

Kohli will definitely play tests till 40 with his current fitness level and still at the moment, Indias best batter in Tests.

Babar has half the runs of Kohli and with 45-46 average in Tests. He has to hit 2-3 purple patches to ven match Kohli. And without SENA performances, he is still 1/2 Tiers below kohli.

Nothing against Babar, but Kohli surely is a candidate for ATG and Babar is not even close to to his level
 
Bilal7 said:
Says who? He has conquered ODIs and mastered T20s, the two biggest and most popular cricket formats today.

He will catch up in test cricket during the latter years of his career. He has at least 6-7 years left at the highest level but probably closer to ten.
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Mastered T20s?
I mean who in the right mind will consider Babar as a good T20 prospect when he doesnt even hit boundaries at will?

Babar has 1/3 rd of Kohli’s runs in ODIs with lesser average than Kohli and you say he is conquered ODIs but Kohli is not great?

Do you even check stats before making such comparison?
 
Mamoon said:
Yes in the same world where Amla is a better ODI batsman than Kohli and better ODI opener than Rohit.

Unfortunately, it is not the world where we live in. In the real world, Babar is not worthy of lacing Kohli’s boots and never will.
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Amla was most definitely a better batsman than Rohit but Kohli surpassed both Amla and de Villiers in ODIs last year. Can't tie their shoes when it comes to tests though.

Babar will surpass Kohli by 2027/2028 not just in one format or two, but in every format. It is the way of life.
 
Rahul is good for a century a tour. Every other innings he's a flopshow.

At least he keeps wickets.
 
Bilal7 said:
Badshah Babar will overshadow king Kohli and no amount of crying and whining can stop that.

This is what Babar needs to do in each format to make Kohli, the poor man's Babar Azam:

ODIs: A couple of match-winning knocks in WC KO matches and stay on track with his projected run-scoring.

Prediction: Babar surpasses Kohli by 2027.

T20s: Win the PSL a couple of times, score a couple more hundreds and be the top-scorer in one more T20 WC.

Prediction: Babar surpasses Kohli by 2026.

Tests: Just keep playing test cricket for another ten years. Kohli is not a great test batsman, merely a good one so all Babar needs to do is stay a good test batter.

Prediction: Babar surpasses Kohli by 2028/2029.
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Now it time for you to wake up from your dream and check the reality , even delusion has certain limitations. :shh
 
Bilal7 said:
Badshah Babar will overshadow king Kohli and no amount of crying and whining can stop that.

This is what Babar needs to do in each format to make Kohli, the poor man's Babar Azam:

ODIs: A couple of match-winning knocks in WC KO matches and stay on track with his projected run-scoring.

Prediction: Babar surpasses Kohli by 2027.

T20s: Win the PSL a couple of times, score a couple more hundreds and be the top-scorer in one more T20 WC.

Prediction: Babar surpasses Kohli by 2026.

Tests: Just keep playing test cricket for another ten years. Kohli is not a great test batsman, merely a good one so all Babar needs to do is stay a good test batter.

Prediction: Babar surpasses Kohli by 2028/2029.
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If only Babar believed in his ability and grit as much as you believe in your forecasts, may be there could have been a chance
 
jnaveen1980 said:
He opened a Babar vs Kohli, 2023 world cup thread and disappeared lol
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Reminds me of Bangladesh fans circa 2017ish, who clearly knew that they were a trash side but still gave such 'room temperature iq' statements and comparisons just to soothe their inflated egos.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
KL is better than both Babar and Rizwan in Tests.

SENA Hundreds:
KL - 5
Babar - 1
Rizwan - 0

Total Away Hundreds:
KL - 7
Babar - 1
Rizwan - 0
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Wow, looks like Mamoon was correct when he said that Babar would not get picked for the Indian team.
 
Both are mental midgets but Babar had great time in tough situations and matches during 2019-2022 (barring WT20 2022).
 
KL Rahul has scored some seriously tough pitch knocks. But his problem is inconsistency. One century a fifty or two and low scores. He has good technique on bouncy wickets. Even moving wickets. Babar should have tried dropping himself down in the 2nd innings below Rizwan.
 
KL isn't inconsistent in shorter formats though. In ODIs, KL is as consistent as Babar but unlike the latter has a destructive 4th gear. More of a game changer than steady eddie Babar. KL's SR in T20s is far superior to Babar too.

In tests, for all his 100s of flaws, I'd take KL over Babar anyday who consistently fails to play impactful knocks.
 
Impact wise, Kl Rahul has performed way better in tests.

In t20s Kl started with a bang but has become similar to Babar these days.

Babar is not even a t20 batsman, striking at 128 with 40 avg, that’s horrendous
 
Rahul is leaving Babar in his dust. There is no doubt he is a better batsman in all formats right now.

The gap should only widen in the next 3-4 years because Rahul is entering his prime years and Babar is unlikely to match him.

Then you have the next generation of Indian batsmen like Gill and Jaiswal who should also eclipse Babar across all formats.

@heddie19 @Mobashir
 
In LOIs, KL is simply far more versatile and just as consistent as Babar.

In tests, KL has some memorable knocks to his name but people are going to look at the raw number where Babar is ahead still. KL has got a 2nd lease of life in tests so better be making the most of it in the last half of his test career.
 
Bilal7 said:
Badshah Babar will overshadow king Kohli and no amount of crying and whining can stop that.

This is what Babar needs to do in each format to make Kohli, the poor man's Babar Azam:

ODIs: A couple of match-winning knocks in WC KO matches and stay on track with his projected run-scoring.

Prediction: Babar surpasses Kohli by 2027.

T20s: Win the PSL a couple of times, score a couple more hundreds and be the top-scorer in one more T20 WC.

Prediction: Babar surpasses Kohli by 2026.

Tests: Just keep playing test cricket for another ten years. Kohli is not a great test batsman, merely a good one so all Babar needs to do is stay a good test batter.

Prediction: Babar surpasses Kohli by 2028/2029.
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Even if Kohli retires tomorrow.... Bobby isn't going to catch him in ODI's and Tests ... unless ofcourse Pakistan binge on Zimbabwe, BD, WI series.
 
Badshah Babar simply is less talented than all Indian batters.

Pakistani cricketers are simply not talented. Despite all the bluster from fans.
 
uppercut said:
Even if Kohli retires tomorrow.... Bobby isn't going to catch him in ODI's and Tests ... unless ofcourse Pakistan binge on Zimbabwe, BD, WI series.
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I'd say Babar isn't coming near Kohli even if Kohli retires today, and Babar gets 3 chances every innings.
 
Babar 2 off 8 in the Bangla premier league whereas KL scored a brilliant 80 in a Test v England on a dust bowl track


Aur charhao Babar ko sarr pe!
 
Mamoon said:
Rahul is leaving Babar in his dust. There is no doubt he is a better batsman in all formats right now.

The gap should only widen in the next 3-4 years because Rahul is entering his prime years and Babar is unlikely to match him.

Then you have the next generation of Indian batsmen like Gill and Jaiswal who should also eclipse Babar across all formats.

@heddie19 @Mobashir
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There is also one very elegant batsman ,he's like an under current, unnoticed but highly revered ,he's Sai Sudarshan
Serious batsman,could be next best thing in coming years
Guy is super exquisite timer of ball,classy yet brisk scorer left handed bat
 
Babar Azam is much greater than KL Rahul. Only his bad patch has let ppl make these comparisons again.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Babar Azam is much greater than KL Rahul. Only his bad patch has let ppl make these comparisons again.
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If we strictly talk about accumulation he is well ahead. If we talk about runs on dodgy pitches, difficult conditions like square turners, seaming condition, any condition.that overwhelmingly favors bowlers Rahul has done a bit more than. Babar. Statistically Babar will always be ahead.
 
KL Rahul has 5 test hundreds in SENA. Babar has just 1

But some Pakistani fans still insist that Babar is better !
 
KL is an enigma, goes big on difficult pitches, misses out on roads. Doesn't carry over confidence from good knocks for subsequent games. Suddenly out of the blue scores a blazing 100 on some SENA green top or rank tuner. Blitzkrieg in WC SF, stage fright in the final.
 
Swashbuckler said:
KL is an enigma, goes big on difficult pitches, misses out on roads. Doesn't carry over confidence from good knocks for subsequent games. Suddenly out of the blue scores a blazing 100 on some SENA green top or rank tuner. Blitzkrieg in WC SF, stage fright in the final.
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Couldn't have put it better. 👏
 
shamaan said:
And he still averages less than 40.
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Batting in India isn't the same as batting in Pakistan. The more often than not ball turns from day one in India. In Pakistan, it remains a batting paradise throughout the test match.

As Babar isn't a good player of spin, he's very fortunate that he doesn't play his home tests in India because I very much doubt he would be averaging anywhere near 40 if he was.

Simon Doull also raised the question not so long ago about whether Babar was demanding for the featherbed wickets, like we saw during the home test series against Australia.
 
Babar has declined too much and it is very hard for a player who is getting praise from all around the world to suddenly go through a rough patch and all the people trying to bash him instead of showing some support. I am not in favor of making such comparisons as they can never be agreed upon.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Babar has declined too much and it is very hard for a player who is getting praise from all around the world to suddenly go through a rough patch and all the people trying to bash him instead of showing some support. I am not in favor of making such comparisons as they can never be agreed upon.
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KL Rahul is a massively inconsistent batsman. He would score a very tough 100 in trying situation or condition and go without scoring in the next few innings even if it is easy to score. By Indian standard he is mediocre. He is definitely a better batsman than his average suggests. It is perplexing as he is one of the best player against spin in the current set up. Also great player against short ball. Had he always played as a middle order batsman he could have had better numbers. As an opener he often succumbed to pressure.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
KL Rahul is a massively inconsistent batsman. He would score a very tough 100 in trying situation or condition and go without scoring in the next few innings even if it is easy to score. By Indian standard he is mediocre. He is definitely a better batsman than his average suggests. It is perplexing as he is one of the best player against spin in the current set up. Also great player against short ball. Had he always played as a middle order batsman he could have had better numbers. As an opener he often succumbed to pressure.
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Reminds me of VVS Laxman. He was always terrific against peak Australia but bang average against others !
 
topspin said:
Batting in India isn't the same as batting in Pakistan. The more often than not ball turns from day one in India. In Pakistan, it remains a batting paradise throughout the test match.

As Babar isn't a good player of spin, he's very fortunate that he doesn't play his home tests in India because I very much doubt he would be averaging anywhere near 40 if he was.

Simon Doull also raised the question not so long ago about whether Babar was demanding for the featherbed wickets, like we saw during the home test series against Australia.
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Babar isn't a good player of spin so isn't Rahul who averages less than 40 in Bangaldesh and Sri Lanka and your acting like Pakistan produces spinning tracks before Babar made his debute.
 
Vikram1989 said:
Kl in his second match has secured a draw for ind against aus in aus.what help did Babar's avg helped pak in aus.If Babar plays in sena for 2 years, everyone will forget who he is.
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Rahul averages less than Babar in Australia.
 
Vikram1989 said:
what's the IMPACT of babar in Australia.Voges have better average than any great player
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Cricket doesn't only revolve around Australia... Babar is a player who has already proved his mettle all around the world. He has also scored many runs in Australia. Yeah this time if he fails to perform there but it doesn't mean he has lost his worth.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Cricket doesn't only revolve around Australia... Babar is a player who has already proved his mettle all around the world. He has also scored many runs in Australia. Yeah this time if he fails to perform there but it doesn't mean he has lost his worth.
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Against which A team(consisting their best XI) in SENA test matches,he has performed and won the match .

Answer is my contribution to Indian cricket team as a batsmen .
 
Mamoon said:
This Rahul century is bigger than Babar’s entire Test career so far.

@Mobashir @heddie19 @Bilal7
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There is no comparison between Rahul and Babar and there will never be. Rahul is a useless choker batsman who performs only on flat tracks and minnow opposition. Babar 194 vs Starc and Cummins is better than Rahul whole career (I would throw in Rahul Dravid there as well).
 
Mamoon said:
Rahul has played several better o mocks than Babar in Tests. He is much better T20 player, and the only reason he is behind him in ODIs is because he has to compete with the the greatest top 3 in ODI history.

If Babar was India, he would also be a mere backup and would not have any standing and stature in world cricket.

If Rahul was Pakistani, he would be a superstar and captain in all formats.

Although India have given him a consistent run at 5 after all these years and he has been fantastic.

Overall, Rahul is a better batsman with more ability. He can do everything Babar can, but he has an extra gear that Babar cannot dream of reaching.
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I don't understand what was wrong with you earlier Mamoon, this is a terrible post. Rahul is not even close to Babar in terms of talent. India are simply better at marketing. I am glad you have come around now but this was a terrible take.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
I don't understand what was wrong with you earlier Mamoon, this is a terrible post. Rahul is not even close to Babar in terms of talent. India are simply better at marketing. I am glad you have come around now but this was a terrible take.
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* are ALSO better at marketing.

Fixed
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
There is no comparison between Rahul and Babar and there will never be. Rahul is a useless choker batsman who performs only on flat tracks and minnow opposition. Babar 194 vs Starc and Cummins is better than Rahul whole career (I would throw in Rahul Dravid there as well).
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Even though I think Babar is better overall but Rahul has played dream knocks away from home that Babar will never be able to replicate.

A hundred at lords in a winning cause, a hundred at centurion, hundred at the Oval.

All of them are better than any innings Babar has played, in tests Babar has been a zero impact player with abysmal performance away from home.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Even though I think Babar is better overall but Rahul has played dream knocks away from home that Babar will never be able to replicate.

A hundred at lords in a winning cause, a hundred at centurion, hundred at the Oval.

All of them are better than any innings Babar has played, in tests Babar has been a zero impact player with abysmal performance away from home.
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Babar 194 vs Aus in Karachi is better than Rahul whole career.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Babar 194 vs Aus in Karachi is better than Rahul whole career.
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Don’t use blanket statements.

Rahuls century came in a win at Lords, how is that comparable to 194 in a drawn match in home conditions on a flat patta?


Rahul has played better innings than Azam, he has been inconsistent and that’s why he isn’t rated highly.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Don’t use blanket statements.

Rahuls century came in a win at Lords, how is that comparable to 194 in a drawn match in home conditions on a flat patta?


Rahul has played better innings than Azam, he has been inconsistent and that’s why he isn’t rated highly.
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Perth innings is also quite good .it helped to win. Gabba innings Is equally good in drawing the match.babar was dropped 4 or 5 times in Karachi.babar avg is 14 in 4th innings in aus behind nehra, vass, bajji etc
 
Bilal7 said:
Rizwan > Rahul and Pant and maybe a better player than Babar, yes.

However, Babar is the better pure batsman.
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Rizwan over Rahul






Ahhahahaahhaahhaahhaahhaahahahahahahahahahahhahahaahhaahahahahaahahhahahahahahahaahagagagagahahahahahahahah
 
Rahul is quite average.

But Babar is simply mediocre.

This is a worthy competition.
 
He himself has summarized what we think of him lol Man always becomes nervous very soon unlike mSD.

“Not sure I can say this on air, but I was s**** myself. As confident as I could be that I could get over the line.” Keeping composure is all that matters, happy to have done it this time. I've batted in times like this in three out of the five games,”
 
He has improved and credit to him for that, anyone whose position was chopped and removed like his , he deserves all the praise for delivering.
 
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