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As much as I love Babar, Lokesh will end up a much better batsman because of the fact that he bats with a strong batting team and has more facilities and expert batting coaches.
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Interested to hear [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] 's thoughts
Has your opinion changed yet or not?
KL Rahul is a more complete batsman. He can do everything that Babar can but he has an extra gear that Babar doesn't possess. He is the most complete batsman than India has produced since Kohli. So far he has been struggling in ODIs but the chances of him failing in ODIs in the long run are as low as the chances of Babar failing in Tests. Both batsmen are too gifted to fail in any format.
India needs to be patient with him and give him a consistent run in ODIs either as an opener or a number four. He will deliver. However, Babar has a big head-start over him in ODIs so he may never match his statistics, just like Babar might struggle to match his statistics in Test cricket.
In T20s, he is better than Babar because of his much superior hitting ability. Overall, ODI is the only format where Babar can be realistically better than him in the long run.
That would make williamsom, root and smith all better than Kohli wouldn't it?
KL Rahul vs Kohli on completeness?
KL Rahul is a more complete batsman. He can do everything that Babar can but he has an extra gear that Babar doesn't possess. He is the most complete batsman than India has produced since Kohli. So far he has been struggling in ODIs but the chances of him failing in ODIs in the long run are as low as the chances of Babar failing in Tests. Both batsmen are too gifted to fail in any format.
India needs to be patient with him and give him a consistent run in ODIs either as an opener or a number four. He will deliver. However, Babar has a big head-start over him in ODIs so he may never match his statistics, just like Babar might struggle to match his statistics in Test cricket.
In T20s, he is better than Babar because of his much superior hitting ability. Overall, ODI is the only format where Babar can be realistically better than him in the long run.
And what do u make of the age factor, don't u believe 23-26 are very crucial years in the development of a young batsman and Babar's game would have improved significantly in 3-4 years IA?
Atm
Babar>rahul
Rahul also averages 8 in ODI's excluding Zimbabwe.
Who is Lokesh Rahul? A nobody.
Time to start comparing Babar with De Cock.
Who is Lokesh Rahul?
Who is Lokesh Rahul? A nobody.
Time to start comparing Babar with De Cock.
The nobody is ranked higher than every pakistani batsman in test rankings.
setting ducks when it is swinging even against srilankans,taking nothing away from his previous performances.
if anything KL all through his career has been known for his knocks in tough conditions . I wudnt be too worried about one or two bad knocks . He just needs to stop playing tests like T20s , especially early on . He will be a 50+ avg batsmen in 12-18 months .
All assuming Virat dosent drop him for Dhawan![]()
A batsman who is ranked currently ranked higher than every Pakistani batsman in Test Cricket.
Babar is a poor man's Jonathan Trott
The nobody is ranked higher than every pakistani batsman in test rankings.
LOL. This sitting duck is barely as good as our number 7 batsman.
KL Rahul is a better batsman than everyone in that Pakistani line up whose name isnt Azhar Ali.
He is better than Azhar too. A far more complete batsman.
He is better than Azhar too. A far more complete batsman.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this cracked me up. A nobody like Rahul is better than azhar, asad etc. Azhar Ali has a double in a boxing day test, a triple in a day night test and a century in England. Asad has centuries in England, south Africa and Australia. Our young players like Haris and Salahuddin will be world beaters.
Rahul barely makes the indian team and you think he is better than any1 in Pakistan?
Rubbish post but I'm not surprised because your a typical deluded indian who thinks their players are the best in the world.
Azhar Ali is a world class test opener who does his job perfectly.
KL will surpass Azhar but as of now Azhar is the better test player.
He is not world class. A good batsman with serious limitations that would prevent his team from winning many games.
He’s not a match winner, yet he isn’t a match loser. But he’s doing his job as an opener fine.
Our test team is in a shambles at the moment and we lack batsmen who can take the game away from the opposition.
For example, Karun Nair will probably not play more than 10-15 Tests for India, but he has the caliber of scoring a triple hundred vs England. Someone like him would walk into our Test team.
The irony of you calling someone deluded seems to be lost on you.
Shafiq is a mediocre player, and fluke, inconsequantial hundreds in XYZ countries don’t mean anything.
He scored the hundred in SA on a slow pitch where the Chucker ran riot. We would have won that Test had our management played two spinners. It was a proper UAE style wicket.
The hundred in Australia came at a time when he was under no pressure. The match was already lost and he played with freedom. As soon as things got tight, he choked as expected.
He has played nearly 40+ Tests in the UAE and he has been a below par batsman. Can’t dominate an attack and radiates no confidence and authority. Highly inconsistent as well.
Reserve Indian Test batsmen like Rohit are much better than him. Give him numerous chances on flat UAE wickets and he will blow Shafiq out of the water.
Shafiq would not have played a single Test for India. Salahuddin is a decent batsman but batsmen better than him are in every nook and corner of India.
For example, Karun Nair will probably not play more than 10-15 Tests for India, but he has the caliber of scoring a triple hundred vs England. Someone like him would walk into our Test team.
Haris is a good batsman by our standards, but then again, he is nothing special by Indian standards; none of our batsmen are.
Please don’t embarrass yourself and others by comparing Indian batsmen to ours. They had, have and always will have far superior batsmen than us.
They have a tremendous batting culture and know how to develop their batsmen.
Azhar is the only good Test batsman Pakistan have at the moment, but he is overrated as well. Absolutely no impact and a stroke-less wonder. His runs rarely puts the team in match-winning positions.
KL Rahul is the most talented upcoming opener in Tests. He is a complete batsman who will become more consistent with experience. He’s a thousand times better than Shehzad, Masood, Hafeez, Sami and he’s better than Azhar as well.
How have you not called this a FLUKE!? This guy failed every innings after that triple ton.
Some decent points but a poor post overall. The exaggeration![]()
All this “batting talent” yet India are struggling to find someone at #4 in ODIs and a finisher. Pandey, Rahul, Jadhav have all flopped.
India should have had ready made replacements already...
It’s not a fluke because he is a very fine batsman. He may not be a top player but he is a very good one, and a fantastic batsman for our standards.
It’s not a surprise because India will never be short on quality batsman. Nair may have failed in other innings, but anyone can have a few bad games, but not everyone can score a near flawless dominant triple century against a quality opponent.
One triple century makes him better than any Pakistani batsman.
I don’t think so...
He just seems to be a one innings wonder.
No Pakistani batsman has the caliber of producing something like that. If a Pakistani batsman gets a triple hundred in his very second game, he is going to be hailed as a legend in the making and perhaps he will get a bronze statue to go with it.
Babar is a poor man's Jonathan Trott
KL Rahul is a poor man's Asghar Stanikzai
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this cracked me up. A nobody like Rahul is better than azhar, asad etc. Azhar Ali has a double in a boxing day test, a triple in a day night test and a century in England. Asad has centuries in England, south Africa and Australia. Our young players like Haris and Salahuddin will be world beaters.
Rahul barely makes the indian team and you think he is better than any1 in Pakistan?
Rubbish post but I'm not surprised because your a typical deluded indian who thinks their players are the best in the world.
I agree with what your saying here, but the way you keep harping about Nair it seems you believe he is even a decent batsman for our standards. He can't play anything in excess of 140 km/h to save his life, Cummins thoroughly exposed this weakness (and bear in mind, these are Indian pitches). A true spin bully.No Pakistani batsman has the caliber of producing something like that. If a Pakistani batsman gets a triple hundred in his very second game, he is going to be hailed as a legend in the making and perhaps he will get a bronze statue to go with it.
A triple century isn’t the be all and end all.
Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar himself never scored a triple century over his career.
I agree with what your saying here, but the way you keep harping about Nair it seems you believe he is even a decent batsman for our standards. He can't play anything in excess of 140 km/h to save his life, Cummins thoroughly exposed this weakness (and bear in mind, these are Indian pitches). A true spin bully.
Even Shafiq is better than Nair. Shafiq has his problems with the in-swinger and on top of that being a mental midget but he isn't a complete tail-ender against anything in excess of 140km/h. Nair could only dream of playing the innings Shafiq has outside of Asia. You could argue that Nair makes our XI in Asia, but it stops right there.He is not of the same caliber as the top 5 Indian batsmen, but he is a pretty good batsman in his own right. He is most certainly better than Shafiq and would be a fixture in our Test lineup. I am not hyping him up - I am simply using his example to illustrate that the gulf between Indian batsmen and Pakistani batsman is gigantic, and we need to stop hyping up the likes of Azhar, Shafiq, Usman, Haris etc.
How much do you see Azhar's triple being talked about?What would be the reaction if Salahuddin or Haris score a triple century in their next Test?
What would be the reaction if Salahuddin or Haris score a triple century in their next Test?
One batsmen scored century against Australia IN Australia and other failed horribly against same team at HOMEHe is most certainly better than Shafiq and would be a fixture in our Test lineup. I am not hyping him up
Whatever makes you happy
The irony of you calling someone deluded seems to be lost on you.
Shafiq is a mediocre player, and fluke, inconsequantial hundreds in XYZ countries don’t mean anything.
He scored the hundred in SA on a slow pitch where the Chucker ran riot. We would have won that Test had our management played two spinners. It was a proper UAE style wicket.
The hundred in Australia came at a time when he was under no pressure. The match was already lost and he played with freedom. As soon as things got tight, he choked as expected.
He has played nearly 40+ Tests in the UAE and he has been a below par batsman. Can’t dominate an attack and radiates no confidence and authority. Highly inconsistent as well.
Reserve Indian Test batsmen like Rohit are much better than him. Give him numerous chances on flat UAE wickets and he will blow Shafiq out of the water.
Shafiq would not have played a single Test for India. Salahuddin is a decent batsman but batsmen better than him are in every nook and corner of India.
For example, Karun Nair will probably not play more than 10-15 Tests for India, but he has the caliber of scoring a triple hundred vs England. Someone like him would walk into our Test team.
Haris is a good batsman by our standards, but then again, he is nothing special by Indian standards; none of our batsmen are.
Please don’t embarrass yourself and others by comparing Indian batsmen to ours. They had, have and always will have far superior batsmen than us.
They have a tremendous batting culture and know how to develop their batsmen.
Azhar is the only good Test batsman Pakistan have at the moment, but he is overrated as well. Absolutely no impact and a stroke-less wonder. His runs rarely puts the team in match-winning positions.
KL Rahul is the most talented upcoming opener in Tests. He is a complete batsman who will become more consistent with experience. He’s a thousand times better than Shehzad, Masood, Hafeez, Sami and he’s better than Azhar as well.
He is not of the same caliber as the top 5 Indian batsmen, but he is a pretty good batsman in his own right. He is most certainly better than Shafiq and would be a fixture in our Test lineup. I am not hyping him up - I am simply using his example to illustrate that the gulf between Indian batsmen and Pakistani batsman is gigantic, and we need to stop hyping up the likes of Azhar, Shafiq, Usman, Haris etc.
One batsmen scored century against Australia IN Australia and other failed horribly against same team at HOME
But Yet Nair is Most Certainly better than Shafiq.
They would be hailed as potential ATGs. Which Haris certainly has the potential to be.
How much do you see Azhar's triple being talked about?
It wasn't in his second Test, and it wasn't against a credible opponent. A more pertinent analogy would be that how would PPers react if Haris, Usman or Saad Ali score a triple hundred against England in their next Test. The hype would blow the Internet away.
Also, I don't agree that Nair is a poor example. The fact that a batsman who scored a triple hundred in his very second Test is still not hyped up by the Indians shows how high their standards are. Secondly, it is true that we shouldn't compare young Pakistani batsmen with their Indian counterparts.
Indian's batting standards are infinitely higher than ours, and probably 9/10 Indian batsmen will outperform their Pakistani counterparts. To go back to Shafiq vs Nair - the former won't get more than 10 Tests for India, and the latter would most certainly score plenty of runs on those UAE tracks where Shafiq has been unable to dominate and score big.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] shafiiq may be having relatively good stats but he is mediocre and never been a match winner.completely agreed with your views.
we have wasted our resources on such an inconsistent and mentally soft perosn.
it is time to ove on but unfortunately we have no alternatives but india definitely have.
We have alternatives.
Usman Salahuddin, Saud Shakeel to name a few
I know you guys don't like Ahmed Shehzad in ODIs. Fair enough. But he seems to have good statistics in Tests. Why is he not considered?
He was ordinary after got hit on head against NZ and stats shows it.
Hmm. But I always thought he was one of the best players of fast bowling in Pakistan although slightly iffy against spin.
Lokesh Rahul now is not the first starter for India in any form of the game![]()
And Englands bowling away from home is remotely credible? The hype the likes of Haris, Usman etc. would receive if they were to score a triple against any side in the UAE wouldn't reach the extent you are claiming it would. Apart from a good temperament and ability against spin scoring a triple in Asia by an Asian batsman does not reveal much about the player. If they were to score a triple away from Asia then we would see the, being hailed as ATG's in the making, which most fans would do; it's not limited to Pak fans.It wasn't in his second Test, and it wasn't against a credible opponent. A more pertinent analogy would be that how would PPers react if Haris, Usman or Saad Ali score a triple hundred against England in their next Test. The hype would blow the Internet away.
Also, I don't agree that Nair is a poor example. The fact that a batsman who scored a triple hundred in his very second Test is still not hyped up by the Indians shows how high their standards are. Secondly, it is true that we shouldn't compare young Pakistani batsmen with their Indian counterparts.
Indian's batting standards are infinitely higher than ours, and probably 9/10 Indian batsmen will outperform their Pakistani counterparts. To go back to Shafiq vs Nair - the former won't get more than 10 Tests for India, and the latter would most certainly score plenty of runs on those UAE tracks where Shafiq has been unable to dominate and score big.
Lokesh Rahul now is not the first starter for India in any form of the game![]()
That's why i rated BABAR>Rahul ATM(in #571).