Babar Azam's batting in pressure situations

[iPakistani]

We need to accept him for what he is. A very good but soft player. Don’t expect him to come good in high pressure games - doesn’t have the mental edge.

Ok and if he scored a century today you would say batting first in this match is not a pressure situation. I know you want to push your anti-Pakistan cricket agenda but this is getting desperate now.

 

[Sirris]

Ok disappointed today. Though what about the last match he can in at 3/1 wasn't that a pressure situation too?

Wooops I meant the 2nd ODI

 

[Sirris]

If the guy had come in farmed the strike and gotten out at something like 7 off 25. I would understand calling him out for not handling pressure well. But he came in didn't go into a shell after pak lost an early wicket and played around a 100 SR. It didn't work out this time. Failures are part of life but the effort and a different attitude was there to be seen in contrast how things are usually are for team Pakistan.

 

[Shandarchowka]

If the guy had come in farmed the strike and gotten out at something like 7 off 25. I would understand calling him out for not handling pressure well. But he came in didn't go into a shell after pak lost an early wicket and played around a 100 SR. It didn't work out this time. Failures are part of life but the effort and a different attitude was there to be seen in contrast how things are usually are for team Pakistan.

Exactly. Some folks just want to talk Babar down. He has played extremely well today. Also it shows Babar's standards as anything less than 50/100 is now seen as a failure for him!

 

[Abdullah719]

In the last ODI series decider he played he scored 92(100).

It was a 'fluke'.

 

[Sher Khan]

He looked very good today. That was an unusual dismissal.

 

[Pakhs]

He definitely needs to work it out soon. Like I said before, while he's a young bloke and has plenty of time, that doesn't mean should keep wasting valuable time. What's worrying is that he has looked so good on so many of his innings. Yet he has been unable to convert them into hundreds. This is something he really, really needs to work on.

I think he is becoming too over confident.. Just needs to bat slightly within himself like kholi. But I agree with where you are coming from too.

 

[yasir]

I don’t think mental side is significant problem. Pakistan need to promote him to no 4 in test, his game will develop a whole lot in two years. It’s not like he is bad batsman, best Pakistan has at the moment by far. If he was developed in better batting culture, he would have been lot better.

He would have made test on the tour if batted at no 4. Ends up betting with the tail for last 12-14 months and still averaging 60, mostly he is 8/9 wicket gone. That’s what you don’t want to see for your best batsman. Playing long test innings will help him develop mental side of the gameC, how to grind and grit better. Batting with tail is completely different, it is screening his game.

I saw major mental improvement in England when he got hit, before that he was batting so well, battled out tough time those 60/70 runs were crucial. After that innings his test avg of 28 went to 35 (with actual avg of 60). Now he needs to bat with batters not tail. He is too good of a player to be batting with tail.

This will help developed his ODI game too, grit and grind skills, plus playing spin better for long period of time will help him to take a notch up. He is only 22/23, but needs better batting culture around him, which unfortunately does not exist. What exactly you can llearn from Azhar and Shafiq

 

[Pakhs]

At least he is trying to play positively now.

But why do that when you can average over 50 easily? Why change anything?

 

[DRsohail]

An exception. He has failed under pressure too many times for it to be ignored.

His wicket was turning point today.Looks like a batsman better than all pak batsman but would never be a match winner.

 

[Abdullah]

He is playing extremely well. He looks in good shape for the world cup. JAMODIs don't matter. Babar has already shown he's got class. Everything else is immaterial.

This, all the commies acknowledge that he is a bigtimer after watching him closely for 5 weeks. This is more important because in games and situations, u get good balls, unplayable balls, do something foolish. But over the course of the 5 weeks everyone is saying this boy can bat. The runs will come.
I was disappointed today tho

 

[Abdullah]

Ok disappointed today. Though what about the last match he can in at 3/1 wasn't that a pressure situation too?

Up until last week chasing 250 +scores was a pressure situation for us, so we are improving
I'm talking about the partnership with imam in odi 1 which broke the back of the 266

 

[Abdullah]

Ok disappointed today. Though what about the last match he can in at 3/1 wasn't that a pressure situation too?

But why do that when you can average over 50 easily? Why change anything?

I agree , I'm hoping this isn't the imam effect. Ideally I want one guy holding it together and every1 else batting freely around him. Babar needs to be that man ( and not imam)

 

[Abdullah]

Ok disappointed today. Though what about the last match he can in at 3/1 wasn't that a pressure situation too?

But why do that when you can average over 50 easily? Why change anything?

I agree , I'm hoping this isn't the imam effect. Ideally I want one guy holding it together and every1 else batting freely around him. Babar needs to be that man ( and not imam)

 

[Chief Destroyer]

He scored 92 in the last series decider against NZ, you buffoons.

 

[Shandarchowka]

This, all the commies acknowledge that he is a bigtimer after watching him closely for 5 weeks. This is more important because in games and situations, u get good balls, unplayable balls, do something foolish. But over the course of the 5 weeks everyone is saying this boy can bat. The runs will come.
I was disappointed today tho

Exactly! Babar has proved he's world class. Great tour for him so far..

 

[Madplayer]

He looked very good today. That was an unusual dismissal.

As far as i have observed, unusual dismissals have become far too frequent with Babar. Even in tests he got out in Bizzare manner a couple of times.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Up until last week chasing 250 +scores was a pressure situation for us, so we are improving
I'm talking about the partnership with imam in odi 1 which broke the back of the 266

That 266 was such a below par score that if Pakistan didn't chase it, they should have quit cricket.

If you want to know how it was below par, look at the intent from Amla in the whole innings. He was only interested in his century and not in the final score of South Africa.

266-2 is not a serious score.

Pakistan were sky high on confidence because they had restricted South Africa to 260 odd with only 2 wickets down. Cricket is often about gaining a bit of confidence. Had Amla or someone else decided to toy with the bowling and South Africa scored 290-9 or something, Pakistan would have faltered.

When one team shows no intent to score, the opposition can celebrate Christmas early.

Infact, that chase was anything but an anomaly.

The second chase was just 160 odd, so doesn't count. I doubt if all our chasing woes are solved because of one exceptional match, but I could be wrong.

We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[rhony]

He's picked up a bad habbit in this series. For.some reason he's shuffling and going too far across the stumps. He got LBW on leg stump the other day and bowled here. Needs to correct it. Every game is a pressure game. It's a successful series for him. He looked very good today especially those gorgeous on drives. He's timing the ball well and has improved his SR in ODIs. Just needs to correct that shuffle

 

[Ahmed216]

He looked very good but should have scored a hundred at least on this tour so far

 

[Xoib]

He's picked up a bad habbit in this series. For.some reason he's shuffling and going too far across the stumps. He got LBW on leg stump the other day and bowled here. Needs to correct it. Every game is a pressure game. It's a successful series for him. He looked very good today especially those gorgeous on drives. He's timing the ball well and has improved his SR in ODIs. Just needs to correct that shuffle

he cant rotate strike in odis consistently unless he does these gimmicks its a flaw in his game hence the bad habit developing.

 

[Smudger]

In the last match he looked set for a big one and just got unlucky. Dont think there is any fault in his technique. Its just that this time he went too far across the stumps.
People have this misconception that calm players are soft players. Sachin scored bucket loads of runs in WCs . Kane williamson played pressure innings in all ct games. Whereas kohli has failed in ODI WCs and Ben Stokes is a choker in any knockout game

 

[Abdullah]

That 266 was such a below par score that if Pakistan didn't chase it, they should have quit cricket.

If you want to know how it was below par, look at the intent from Amla in the whole innings. He was only interested in his century and not in the final score of South Africa.

266-2 is not a serious score.

Pakistan were sky high on confidence because they had restricted South Africa to 260 odd with only 2 wickets down. Cricket is often about gaining a bit of confidence. Had Amla or someone else decided to toy with the bowling and South Africa scored 290-9 or something, Pakistan would have faltered.

When one team shows no intent to score, the opposition can celebrate Christmas early.

Infact, that chase was anything but an anomaly.

The second chase was just 160 odd, so doesn't count. I doubt if all our chasing woes are solved because of one exceptional match, but I could be wrong.

We'll just have to wait and see.

266 if u go back and look at the last 10 years has more often than not been enough.
We made that day look fairly easy. Im confident we can chase 275 against decent teams ( it will depend on top 3 to score more than half though which is fine)

We will have to wait and see

 

[Dr_Bassim]

266 if u go back and look at the last 10 years has more often than not been enough.
We made that day look fairly easy. Im confident we can chase 275 against decent teams ( it will depend on top 3 to score more than half though which is fine)

We will have to wait and see

I am not saying 266 is a bad score.

Look at context.

266-2 is a bad score considering the situation that SA were in.

In fact, I could be wrong on this, but I bet you'd have to go back all the way to 1992 before you find a score like 220-2 which Pakistan scored against West Indies.

I have never seen a team lacking intent and content on losing 2 wickets and happy with a 260 odd runs.

That's the anomaly I am talking about.

 

[light]

Makes it difficult to decide, do we want a prolific player who fails in pressure situations and matches or do we want a slightly in consistent player but always fires in pressure situations and in big pressure games.

Do you guys have such a player waiting in the pipeline? Geniuenly interested to know

 

[Madplayer]

Do you guys have such a player waiting in the pipeline? Geniuenly interested to know

Well Fakhar has fired in all finals he has played in so far. But is a bit inconsistent.

 

[light]

Well Fakhar has fired in all finals he has played in so far. But is a bit inconsistent.

Fakar is already part of the team. I though he ment that there is a mystery player waiting in the pipeline and knocking at the door for a chance. Guess not?

 

[Madplayer]

Interesting so far in this high pressure chase.

 

[Madplayer]

As far as i have observed, unusual dismissals have become far too frequent with Babar. Even in tests he got out in Bizzare manner a couple of times.

Why is babar getting out in Bizzare manners on this tour?

 

[Rayyman]

Why is babar getting out in Bizzare manners on this tour?

Can't blame Babar today. 38 at 140 SR.

Don't think he has a problem playing under pressure.

His weakness atm is six-hitting and he needs to improve on that. Especially by getting stronger.

 

[Haripotter]

The second Coming of virat Kohli is badly getting exposed here yet there are many PPers who will still call him the best t20 player going around.

 

[Madplayer]

Can't blame Babar today. 38 at 140 SR.

Don't think he has a problem playing under pressure.

His weakness atm is six-hitting and he needs to improve on that. Especially by getting stronger.

He score 42 at 145.
But thats not the point. He is not getting out to good balls or anything but simply by his own stupidity or something unusual like the ball keeping low and similar stuff. Lagta hai kisi ne is pe kuch parha hai

 

[Madplayer]

The second Coming of virat Kohli is badly getting exposed here yet there are many PPers who will still call him the best t20 player going around.

How was he "exposed" kindly let us know.

 

[babajee]

The second Coming of virat Kohli is badly getting exposed here yet there are many PPers who will still call him the best t20 player going around.

Exposed?

 

[Chief Destroyer]

He score 42 at 145.
But thats not the point. He is not getting out to good balls or anything but simply by his own stupidity or something unusual like the ball keeping low and similar stuff. Lagta hai kisi ne is pe kuch parha hai

Yeah, he's been unlucky this tour. He got a lot of unplayable deliveries in the test series.

 

[Greenstorm]

He simply cannot accelerate after powerplay overs. Lacks power game.

 

[Rayyman]

He score 42 at 145.
But thats not the point. He is not getting out to good balls or anything but simply by his own stupidity or something unusual like the ball keeping low and similar stuff. Lagta hai kisi ne is pe kuch parha hai

He's the GOAT.

Obviously the only way he will get out is kaala jaadoo

 

[ABMiller]

This is not bizzare just stupid. You cannot back up that much when the fielder is close saving the signal.

 

[Ab Fan]

de Kock is a superior batsmen than him across all formats.

 

[Minnowbasher]

de Kock is a superior batsmen than him across all formats.

Lol okay

 

[Minnowbasher]

de Kock is a superior batsmen than him across all formats.

ODI average of 44>ODI average of 50 OKAY
T20 average of 28>t20 average of 53 OKAY
Brilliant logic. Also in tests if you look at the last year babar has outperformed all batsmen other than kohli.
But yh obviously de Kock is "superior across all formats"

 

[Hitman]

ODI average of 44>ODI average of 50 OKAY
T20 average of 28>t20 average of 53 OKAY
Brilliant logic. Also in tests if you look at the last year babar has outperformed all batsmen other than kohli.
But yh obviously de Kock is "superior across all formats"

Not saying that de Kock is better. But in ODI cricket, you also need to look at their respective strike rates. Babar has an SR of 84.66 while de Kock has an SR of 94.8

 

[a_tahir]

Not saying that de Kock is better. But in ODI cricket, you also need to look at their respective strike rates. Babar has an SR of 84.66 while de Kock has an SR of 94.8

Different requirements.
Amla supports de kock like imam supports fakhar.
Usually the no.3 batsman doesn't have a strike rate over 90

 

[Ab Fan]

ODI average of 44>ODI average of 50 OKAY
T20 average of 28>t20 average of 53 OKAY
Brilliant logic. Also in tests if you look at the last year babar has outperformed all batsmen other than kohli.
But yh obviously de Kock is "superior across all formats"

Gilchrist vs Kallis in ODIs, do let me know what you think.Also care to tell Babar stats excluding the minnows.

Again,in T20s, averages are non-relevant factors completely. De Villiers is one of the greatest T20 player of all-time. His avg doesn't really mean much.

In tests, in 2006,Yousuf outperformed every single batsmen by a distance. A massive peak of 1 year.So, that means, he becomes the greatest batsmen of all-time on that logic.

de Kock is a clearly better batsmen that Babar in both Tests and ODIs till now and in T20s, common logic says I will prefer someone like de Kock over Babar 9 out of 10 times.

 

[a_tahir]

Gilchrist vs Kallis in ODIs, do let me know what you think.Also care to tell Babar stats excluding the minnows.

Again,in T20s, averages are non-relevant factors completely. De Villiers is one of the greatest T20 player of all-time. His avg doesn't really mean much.

In tests, in 2006,Yousuf outperformed every single batsmen by a distance. A massive peak of 1 year.So, that means, he becomes the greatest batsmen of all-time on that logic.

de Kock is a clearly better batsmen that Babar in both Tests and ODIs till now and in T20s, common logic says I will prefer someone like de Kock over Babar 9 out of 10 times.

So u would like a guy in your team that gets 10 runs off 5 balls then gets out over a guy that could get 70 runs off 80 balls??
Lol okay.

De kock is just a home track bully and that's a fact

 

[YousafTheBeast]

So u would like a guy in your team that gets 10 runs off 5 balls then gets out over a guy that could get 70 runs off 80 balls??
Lol okay.

De kock is just a home track bully and that's a fact

10 off 5 balls doesn’t lose your team the game, 70 off 80 balls in T20’s does.

Do you expect the rest of the team to score 100+ in the remaining 40 balls?

 

[Sachin136]

ODI average of 44>ODI average of 50 OKAY
T20 average of 28>t20 average of 53 OKAY
Brilliant logic. Also in tests if you look at the last year babar has outperformed all batsmen other than kohli.
But yh obviously de Kock is "superior across all formats"

There were plenty of test batsman who did better than Babar in 2018, like Williamson.

 

[Ab Fan]

So u would like a guy in your team that gets 10 runs off 5 balls then gets out over a guy that could get 70 runs off 80 balls??
Lol okay.

De kock is just a home track bully and that's a fact

de kock doesn't avg 10, nor Babar does 70.

Moreover, you have failed to give any valid response to my post like I gave you the replies.

 

[ManFan]

One can see in his body language and facial expressions that he simply does not have the mental strength to carry the team over the line.

However, yesterday was a case of an unlucky dismissal more than faulting under pressure.

He needs a proper top-order batsman to accompany him otherwise he can play at a higher SR.

 

[Hyperion66]

Comparing Babar with Kohli is just beyond ridiculous. At 24 Kohli was already regarded as one of the best in limited overs with multiple match wining centuries under his belt. Babar is good, very good in fact but he ain't special like Kohli.

 

[Abdullah]

I think test will be his best format.
His time is now.
On a side note are we still gonna ridicule him for scoring odi centuries Vs windies. They are not that bad if they can dismantle that gun England team. Lol

 

[Madplayer]

Lets se3 how he goes today. He has started brilliantly.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Rahane pretty much starts like this in all his T20. Once the power play is done and dusted will go into shell.

 

[Madplayer]

Rahane pretty much starts like this in all his T20. Once the power play is done and dusted will go into shell.

Does Rahane average 50+ in t20s?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Does Rahane average 50+ in t20s?

Talking about attitude. Don't compare stats literally.

 

[Hasan123]

This game is not even a pressure match. Not every situation is pressure 1 .

 

[aukhan]

He is clearly the reason behind our T20 victories in last 2 years. He needs to be surrounded by players who should attack more. His job should be to bat atleast 15 overs in t20s.

 

[babajee]

He doesn't fail because of pressure.

 

[Hasan123]

Just be patient with him. Not every situation is a pressure 1. If he fails it happens. Stop criticising him for every thing.

 

[Zues]

Babar Azam is a future all time batting great. Should bat at number 3 in Tests.

 

[Madplayer]

This game is not even a pressure match. Not every situation is pressure 1 .

Its a do or die chase bro. Series is on the line.

 

[Hasan123]

Its a do or die chase bro. Series is on the line.

It's a T20 bilateral. It's not a pressure situation. That doesn't matter though it's still a great knock. I just don't want this thread bumped if he fails in bilaterals.

 

[Salman4.]

Was surprised that this thread was not bumped.
Babar was given a life but still failed in the game against WI.

 

[shaaik]

Looks to be in a wonderful touch today as usual but has to carry on till at least 45th Over..

 

[Zeeraq]

He really needs to make himself count in situations like today or he won't ever become a great batsman.

 

[Sir-fraz]

Babar didnt choke here, he play one shot too many. Shouldve left that ball.

 

[pillionrider]

He did play some glorious shots though.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Got out just as he was ready to blast off

 

[The "D"]

you guys wanted him to play fast and he just did that and gave you a 30 instead of 80-100

 

[adil79]

Yeah, just bad luck. That media guy really did a number on him. Now he plays shots he shouldn't for 100+ strike rate.

 

[hadi123]

As expected he got out today after playing a few good shots, gave his wicket away.

 

[Hitman]

Playing some pretty looking strokes won’t work until he can score big.

 

[Captain caveman]

Babar played beautifully, but he has a weakness against bouncers, he needs to practice it.
Does he have mental toughness for a fight, it doesnt seem so.
I hate to say this but imam looks like the only pak player with mental toughness, but he has to improve his run rate!

 

[Hyperion66]

Got out after playing some cutiepie shots as usual, second best from Asia lol.

 

[chinaman00]

you guys wanted him to play fast and he just did that and gave you a 30 instead of 80-100

Exactly. The public demanded pretty 30s instead of intelligent and steady 100s and this is exactly what he’s delivering!

 

[MP2011]

He did play some glorious shots though.

He did but they were in the slot to be hit.

 

[MMHS]

Babar needs to “toughen up”, and play the “safety net” role of Imam - posters won’t call him soft then.

 

[MP2011]

Babar claims to follow each and every one of Kohli's innings. Didn't he see how Kohli eschewed risks during his 82 against the same opponents in this WC? Kohli too could've tried to hit 'em all. But he stayed patient and ensured that India gets to a good total.

You've to play percentage cricket to succeed and just can't hope to blast every second ball.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Babar claims to follow each and every one of Kohli's innings. Didn't he see how Kohli eschewed risks during his 82 against the same opponents in this WC? Kohli too could've tried to hit 'em all. But he stayed patient and ensured that India gets to a good total.

You've to play percentage cricket to succeed and just can't hope to blast every second ball.

Kohli is hard to emulate. The reason he has 41 centuries is because he relies on ground strokes, placement. Only if it is absolutely necessary he will bring his power game. But he has a power game that can dismantle any bowler. Basically blessed with multiple gears. Also he runs extremely hard. Babar is nowhere close to Tendulkar, Kohli, Smith in that department. Even Sehwag and Gambhir used to tip and run. Aggressive running is part of all great batsmen. Punter is another example.

 

[Madplayer]

Kohli is hard to emulate. The reason he has 41 centuries is because he relies on ground strokes, placement. Only if it is absolutely necessary he will bring his power game. But he has a power game that can dismantle any bowler. Basically blessed with multiple gears. Also he runs extremely hard. Babar is nowhere close to Tendulkar, Kohli, Smith in that department. Even Sehwag and Gambhir used to tip and run. Aggressive running is part of all great batsmen. Punter is another example.

Aggressive running needs support from Partners also.