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Babar Azam is a selfish player. People blame weak Karachi team for poor performance of Karachi Kings in PSL. But it's far from truth. You can see how he played for personal gains, scored 50s for stats so that he can boast healthy average and strike rate while the team needed more runs. He basically scored 50 off 40-45-50 balls and never made up for his poor strike rate later. Those who want to argue should just watch PSL games. This poor performance puts immense pressure on other batsmen as they now not only have to score fast but also make up for the poor strike rate of Babar Azam, which gets batsmen out. And then with field, he had always been out of sorts. No innovation and run of the mill decisions. Mediocrity at its very best.

Now During Test series with Australia, he went into score 196 when the team could have won it. Had he shown a bit of intent, we could have chased in Karachi as wicket was in much better shape. Now this defensive and timid mindset is prevailing in the dressing room when the captain itself is behaving like a coward and lacks positivity or intent.

In 3rd test, Pakistan played pathetically. The defensive mindset and body language which resulted in so slow scoring run rate in first innings when we could have score more than 300 during the same overs just with better intent and slightly better aggression. The pitch was damn flat. The decision to stick with selection of Fawad Alam, when Shan Maqsood was available was pathetic. And considering how Babar selects his team, he is the only one to blame.

And in 4th innings, Pakistan under Sarfraz should have gone for the win. I remember against Srilanka when we chased 300 in 50 odd overs. Where is the f intent???

And the negative tactics highlighted by commentators on numerous times by bowling 4th stump leg stump line in first test just to get to the new ball. The writing is on the wall. This guy would rather lose playing defense than playing for win with intent. Test cricket is a patience game. But it doesn't mean you score 180 odd runs off the whole day of cricket on a flat deck. Waiting long enough you will eventually find a ball with your name on it. So intent and positivity has to be there.

And just compare it with Cummins. The sheer courage it took to declare with 350 run target. Had it been Babar, he would have taken the session of 5th day as well.

I really hope Babar takes a leaf out of Cummin's aggressive captaincy. I love Babar for being great with scoring shots but not when it overshadows his negativity, poor captaincy and cowardice. He is the reason we lost this series. The whole PCB is full of such timid oldies who feared Aussies would win the series had they provided more life on the pitch. But with even dead picthes, Aussies handed us our A on platter. We deserved to lose with such negative mindset.

I really hope we can learn but time has proved we never did.
 
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I wouldn't say he is cowardly or selfish. He is just not good for leadership.

I think Rizwan should be the captain.
 
May be it's only me but I think Babar has grudge against Rizwan for having success in PSL. He could have helped Rizwan with review but he didn't. And the rest of batsmen who clearly were out wasted it while Babar was at the crease. I have seen how Rizwan was treated in T20 match against India when Babar humiliated him when he denied a single, not respecting the fact Rizwan batted much better in that match with more aggression.
 
I think we just have to accept, Pakistani players more so than others play for personal milestones and buffing up their stats. They need to consider the team a bit more.

He was still the best player for Pakistan this series but is handicapped by mediocrity all around him.
 
Unfortunately he is the only test batsman in top 6 who can score at 50 plus strike rate , none of the other batsmen are talented enough. He is not captaincy material , he is just good for his game. Sadly though there is not even one replacement.

Whole team seems like pleasing the oppostion with their behaviour on and off the field.
 
I think we just have to accept, Pakistani players more so than others play for personal milestones and buffing up their stats. They need to consider the team a bit more.

He was still the best player for Pakistan this series but is handicapped by mediocrity all around him.

They do that because they are a couple of innings away from being dropped.
Ridiculous, ill informed criticism is levelled against players after a couple of poor knocks and equally ridiculous praise and expectations heaped on players after some success (usually in both cases for the same players and by the same commentators)
 
The simple conclusion is that he is not as good as the expectations that are set. A very good fluent player but does not belong to Fab Four as yet.
 
The simple conclusion is that he is not as good as the expectations that are set. A very good fluent player but does not belong to Fab Four as yet.

I disagree. As a batsman, he is currently better than Kohli, Smith, and Root.

But, he is not a great captain.
 
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Tendulkar was wise enough to walk away from the captaincy knowing he was a huge misfit for the role and that it was negatively affecting his batting as well.

By selflessly giving the captaincy away Indian Cricket never looked back and enjoyed numerous laurels under more capable natural leaders in Ganguly, Dhoni, Kohli etc
 
Tendulkar was wise enough to walk away from the captaincy knowing he was a huge misfit for the role and that it was negatively affecting his batting as well.

By selflessly giving the captaincy away Indian Cricket never looked back and enjoyed numerous laurels under more capable natural leaders in Ganguly, Dhoni, Kohli etc

Babar is not a bad leader but he needs to adjust his approach a bit, doesn’t help when there is little support around him
 
The simple conclusion is that he is not as good as the expectations that are set. A very good fluent player but does not belong to Fab Four as yet.

The fab four are normally surronded by world class and sensible batsmen to provide solid support for fightback. That is what is preventing Babar to show his full potential as he is surronded bt timid and talentless players, so he is constantly in steady ship mode and to perserve his wicket as batting collapseis always around the corner for Pakistan. Babar is quite a poor captain and favours certain players unnecessarily like Hasan Ali. Also a long list of Pakistani laqeer ka faqeer type character.
 
I wouldn't say he is cowardly or selfish. He is just not good for leadership.

I think Rizwan should be the captain.

When you have played match-winning knocks or bowling spells thens fair to say.

He is now the vice - captain, but his batting failed big time in this home series

What is Rizwans qualification to be the captain, he is another one who has failed with the bat in this series, except the 100 in the karachi test.. Banking on his batting ability, they played 5 bowlers, he failed them big time..
 
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I disagree. As a batsman, he is currently better than Kohli, Smith, and Root.

But, he is not a great captain.

I would say on par with Root as test batsman but obviously better than current Smith, Kohli . All format batsman he is better than all fab four considering their current form.
 
When you have played match-winning knocks or bowling spells thens fair to say.

He is now the vice - captain, but his batting failed big time in this home series

What is Rizwans qualification to be the captain, he is another one who has failed with the bat in this series, except the 100 in the karachi test.. Banking on his batting ability, they played 5 bowlers, he failed them big time..

Rizwan has done well with captaincy in PSL.

Also, he just seems like a positive and charismatic figure. Definitely more suitable for a leadership position than other Pakistani players (barring Shaheen maybe).
 
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I know emotions are very high right now but let's not forget our team's shortcomings as a collective.

Hassan Ali had 0 impact.

In a day and age when SC offies eat lefties alive in SC; Khawaja scored centuries against us.

Overall we have batted with an extremely negative mindset.

Rizwan failed.

Our spinners are so bad and one dimensional that Mickey Arthur chose to go all pace in UAE...

Australia are at the top of the table and we are at middle bottom.

It is no coincidence.

Babar can only do so much.
 
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Babar Azam need a stint with RCB to learn the aggression. Virat anyways is fond of him as we have seen during T20 WC game and RCB will benefit a lot from having a player of Babar's class as well.

Virat
Babar
Faf (c)
Maxwell

What a line up :salute
 
I do not understand the purpose of this thread. If anyone say that Babar is not a captain material or just bad captain, then it is understandable. But vilifying his character with cowardice, selfishness and negativity based on PSL performance is not acceptable. Listen nor many of the Pakistani fan nor cricket enthusiastic care about PSL, this is just a tamacha league which has no importance in international cricket. Anyone not playing this league with his whole life depended on it cannot be blamed.

Not only that the op tried to sell out his genuine great innings like 2nd test due to selfishness. He played 4th innings of the Karachi test match for more than 9 hours. He single handedly anchored the entire innings at more than 35 degree centigrade and still being termed as selfishness. This is outright hatred and nothing else. What Pakistan really lacked in Karachi test match is a dynamic player at lower order who can play like Pant, for this Babar cannot be blamed. He tried his best and took the game towards draw which for Pakistan was the best possible result, given the talent pool.

In this last test match, Babar was the only player who played with good strike rate for Pakistan team in both the innings. He was also the last recognised batsman to got out, which also shows that in the entire team he was the only player who tried to resist and play for win. It was the other batsmen who caused the slow run rate not him.

Babar should be criticized for his inept captaincy and team selections. But attacking him personally with hateful intent like op did, should not be accepted. Babar in this series was a bad captain, but he was not a coward, selfish and negative player at all.
 
Babar Azam need a stint with RCB to learn the aggression. Virat anyways is fond of him as we have seen during T20 WC game and RCB will benefit a lot from having a player of Babar's class as well.

Virat
Babar
Faf (c)
Maxwell

What a line up :salute

He bhai, please rehne de!

Over here, the PSL fanatics are after his life, and you want to him to put in IPL.
There will be India Pakistan war on digital world every day.
 
I do not understand the purpose of this thread. If anyone say that Babar is not a captain material or just bad captain, then it is understandable. But vilifying his character with cowardice, selfishness and negativity based on PSL performance is not acceptable. Listen nor many of the Pakistani fan nor cricket enthusiastic care about PSL, this is just a tamacha league which has no importance in international cricket. Anyone not playing this league with his whole life depended on it cannot be blamed.

Not only that the op tried to sell out his genuine great innings like 2nd test due to selfishness. He played 4th innings of the Karachi test match for more than 9 hours. He single handedly anchored the entire innings at more than 35 degree centigrade and still being termed as selfishness. This is outright hatred and nothing else. What Pakistan really lacked in Karachi test match is a dynamic player at lower order who can play like Pant, for this Babar cannot be blamed. He tried his best and took the game towards draw which for Pakistan was the best possible result, given the talent pool.

In this last test match, Babar was the only player who played with good strike rate for Pakistan team in both the innings. He was also the last recognised batsman to got out, which also shows that in the entire team he was the only player who tried to resist and play for win. It was the other batsmen who caused the slow run rate not him.

Babar should be criticized for his inept captaincy and team selections. But attacking him personally with hateful intent like op did, should not be accepted. Babar in this series was a bad captain, but he was not a coward, selfish and negative player at all.

If anything, credit to Aussies for continuously dropping his catches enabling him to score 196. I would have loved that innings if he had tried to win it. In last session of that match, there was no intent. None. And that is not positivity. That is cowardice and negative mindset of losing match and not playing due to fear. When the score is in reach, they should have gone for it. There is no 02 ways about it. If the score is massive to reach and the overs are limited then they could have played with a defensive mindset.
 
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Going by the OP and premise of this thread, should the title not be the other way round?
 
If anything, credit to Aussies for continuously dropping his catches enabling him to score 196. I would have loved that innings if he had tried to win it. In last session of that match, there was no intent. None. And that is not positivity. That is cowardice and negative mindset of losing match and not playing due to fear. When the score is in reach, they should have gone for it. There is no 02 ways about it. If the score is massive to reach and the overs are limited then they could have played with a defensive mindset.

Your not being realistic The score was never in reach Babar got out just when they mightve thought of going for it Anyway with our tail and how poor it is it was never an option unless we had only 3-4 wkts down

In the end any sane fan would know that the draw was the only realistic or best option in the end

You can criticise his poor captaincy throughout series and his defensive team approach but hes at no fault in that innings None at all
 
Going by the OP and premise of this thread, should the title not be the other way round?

No. Because I still love Babar for his class! I just said this quality hides his negative characteristics. Because majority of us do not look at the negative elements and move on while praising him for his elegance.
 
I disagree. As a batsman, he is currently better than Kohli, Smith, and Root.

But, he is not a great captain.

He is not better than Root if you are talking about current form.

Also, I was referring to the league of Fab 4 which is elite level league so Babar will have to take his test average to 50 to get that league.
 
He is not better than Root if you are talking about current form.

Also, I was referring to the league of Fab 4 which is elite level league so Babar will have to take his test average to 50 to get that league.

Root, Kohli, Smith & Williamson play for the team and not personal milestones. Babar reminds me of Misbah when he played 50 off 40 balls in T20 internationals and PSL.
 
Rizwan has done well with captaincy in PSL.

Also, he just seems like a positive and charismatic figure. Definitely more suitable for a leadership position than other Pakistani players (barring Shaheen maybe).

At many places , i felt Andy Flower making strategic decisions with Multan Sultans in PSL, that helps the team....

Previous season there was no Tim David..

This season he strengthened the middle order , formed a destructive middle order with Maqsood, Rossouw, Tim David, Khusdhil Shah..
 
I know emotions are very high right now but let's not forget our team's shortcomings as a collective.

Hassan Ali had 0 impact.

In a day and age when SC offies eat lefties alive in SC; Khawaja scored centuries against us.

Overall we have batted with an extremely negative mindset.

Rizwan failed.

Our spinners are so bad and one dimensional that Mickey Arthur chose to go all pace in UAE...

Australia are at the top of the table and we are at middle bottom.

It is no coincidence.

Babar can only do so much.

Indeed, cannot win matches with Sajid, Nauman and Fawad..

Hasan Ali no use

Imam and Rizwan kept misfiring

Azhar ali enough said , everyone knows what he is capable of...
 
Indeed, cannot win matches with Sajid, Nauman and Fawad..

Hasan Ali no use

Imam and Rizwan kept misfiring

Azhar ali enough said , everyone knows what he is capable of...

And when you realize that Babar selects his own team, it just makes this whole lot of worse! Babar is on record for that.
 
If anything, credit to Aussies for continuously dropping his catches enabling him to score 196. I would have loved that innings if he had tried to win it. In last session of that match, there was no intent. None. And that is not positivity. That is cowardice and negative mindset of losing match and not playing due to fear. When the score is in reach, they should have gone for it. There is no 02 ways about it. If the score is massive to reach and the overs are limited then they could have played with a defensive mindset.

Get off from your high horse and think rationally. Pakistan do not have the player for that at lower order. It is Babar's effort that the match was saved, that's the best Babar and Pakistan could do. If top order had played with urgency, then they could have tried to win the match at the end of the 5th day. But the top order especially Azhar Ali wasted an entire session. After that Babar spent 9 hours on the field. By the time, Rizwan came he was already spent force. First know the condition and then have realistic expectations.

Listen I do not support Babar in this series for his bad captaincy, and I am ready to criticize him for that. But do please criticize him for valid reason. He have been inept captain in this series, even though I am not in favor of replace him immediately due to team's stability. But attacking him for his batting effort is nothing but hatred. As a batsman he was extraordinary in this series.
 
Babar doesn't have team that can win matches. There are too many weak links in our test team.
 
Babar Azam is a selfish player. People blame weak Karachi team for poor performance of Karachi Kings in PSL. But it's far from truth. You can see how he played for personal gains, scored 50s for stats so that he can boast healthy average and strike rate while the team needed more runs. He basically scored 50 off 40-45-50 balls and never made up for his poor strike rate later. Those who want to argue should just watch PSL games. This poor performance puts immense pressure on other batsmen as they now not only have to score fast but also make up for the poor strike rate of Babar Azam, which gets batsmen out. And then with field, he had always been out of sorts. No innovation and run of the mill decisions. Mediocrity at its very best.

Now During Test series with Australia, he went into score 196 when the team could have won it. Had he shown a bit of intent, we could have chased in Karachi as wicket was in much better shape. Now this defensive and timid mindset is prevailing in the dressing room when the captain itself is behaving like a coward and lacks positivity or intent.

In 3rd test, Pakistan played pathetically. The defensive mindset and body language which resulted in so slow scoring run rate in first innings when we could have score more than 300 during the same overs just with better intent and slightly better aggression. The pitch was damn flat. The decision to stick with selection of Fawad Alam, when Shan Maqsood was available was pathetic. And considering how Babar selects his team, he is the only one to blame.

And in 4th innings, Pakistan under Sarfraz should have gone for the win. I remember against Srilanka when we chased 300 in 50 odd overs. Where is the f intent???

And the negative tactics highlighted by commentators on numerous times by bowling 4th stump leg stump line in first test just to get to the new ball. The writing is on the wall. This guy would rather lose playing defense than playing for win with intent. Test cricket is a patience game. But it doesn't mean you score 180 odd runs off the whole day of cricket on a flat deck. Waiting long enough you will eventually find a ball with your name on it. So intent and positivity has to be there.

And just compare it with Cummins. The sheer courage it took to declare with 350 run target. Had it been Babar, he would have taken the session of 5th day as well.

I really hope Babar takes a leaf out of Cummin's aggressive captaincy. I love Babar for being great with scoring shots but not when it overshadows his negativity, poor captaincy and cowardice. He is the reason we lost this series. The whole PCB is full of such timid oldies who feared Aussies would win the series had they provided more life on the pitch. But with even dead picthes, Aussies handed us our A on platter. We deserved to lose with such negative mindset.

I really hope we can learn but time has proved we never did.

To put it simply, Baber is not a captaincy material.

He has an extremely limited set of personality skills, he has no intimidating skills of a strong leader, he has no impact or bearing on the field, his presence is timid, and he has sort of cringe worthy style of verbal communication in a very deyhaati accent. It's just not inspiring.

A leader should be excellent in man management skills, must be super alert and appropriately pro-act in a timely manner, and he must inspiring and he must know a great domain knowledge of his trait.

Baber is only a very good batsman who can play some really lovely looking strokes. Does that automatically make him a leader? NO!

And that's something that our think tanks can't and won't understand. They need to GROOM a leader who naturally has the leadership skills. But the way we select our captains is, "The one who has good looking stats in his specialty OR he is the next "senior" in line".

We all saw how disastrous was MoYo and Waqar Yonus's captaincy. Baber's ain't much different either.
 
Babar doesn't have team that can win matches. There are too many weak links in our test team.

This is why its even worse. Babar as a captain selects his own team. Has been doing for a while. Have stated it numerous times especially since T20 world cup.
 
Whether we like it or not;

Hassan and spinners failed us big time.

Even if Babar Azam would have transformed into Bradman; we would have lost this series. This could have been easily a 0-2 phainta...
 
Babar Azam need a stint with RCB to learn the aggression. Virat anyways is fond of him as we have seen during T20 WC game and RCB will benefit a lot from having a player of Babar's class as well.

Virat
Babar
Faf (c)
Maxwell

What a line up :salute

Babr himself play 60 balls with SR 120 in every match :)))
 
Only one bowler showed up from our side: Naseem Shah.

(Shaheen was okayish.)




Series bowling data:

PlayerIORWEconAvgSR4W5WBBI4s6sDots
NM Lyon6219539122.4644.92109.5115/8339141013
PJ Cummins6110270112.4524.5560015/56331529
Nauman Ali5121.138093.1442.2280.78016/107327520
Shaheen Shah Afridi510432893.1536.4469.33104/79450478
MA Starc6102.427382.6634.1277104/33320476
Naseem Shah36417062.6628.3364104/58210313
Sajid Khan515647743.06119.25234002/167426668
C Green66717132.5557134001/18150318
Faheem Ashraf2246822.833472002/55110114
Hasan Ali46319223.0596189001/23260293
MJ Swepson490.426622.93133272002/32252394
Babar Azam361412.331436001/71026
M Labuschagne53112313.97123186001/53150113
Azhar Ali12100500000/10005
Iftikhar Ahmed132006.6700000/203010
Imam-ul-Haq12904.500000/9005
JR Hazlewood2316101.9700000/870149
SPD Smith24200500000/50110
TM Head216480300000/134069
UT Khawaja10.4304.500000/3001

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Series batting data:

PlayerIRBOutsAvgSRHS4s6s50100
UT Khawaja54969953165.3349.8516051222
Abdullah Shafique6397996579.439.8613639421
Babar Azam539082157847.519639221
Imam-ul-Haq637090157441.0715733412
Azhar Ali530070756042.4318524511
AT Carey3179307359.6758.319317220
SPD Smith4226606456.537.297822030
PJ Cummins3537215373.61345300
C Green3155345351.6744.937915110
Mohammad Rizwan5140256346.6754.6910414101
M Labuschagne517027653461.599023110
DA Warner5169282533.859.936822320
MJ Swepson2243312472.73153000
TM Head468132322.6751.522612100
Nauman Ali4217612127.63204000
MA Starc35417531830.86285000
NM Lyon3457231562.5386000
Shaheen Shah Afridi3243321272.73194100
Sajid Khan44190410.2545.56218000
Fawad Alam43310448.2531.73132000
Hasan Ali3132934.3344.83131100
Faheem Ashraf248225041000
Naseem Shah2191111.1110000
Iftikhar Ahmed113210061.9131000

Soure: http://www.cricmetric.com/series.py?series=2022_Test_series_04
 
I know emotions are very high right now but let's not forget our team's shortcomings as a collective.

Hassan Ali had 0 impact.

In a day and age when SC offies eat lefties alive in SC; Khawaja scored centuries against us.

Overall we have batted with an extremely negative mindset.

Rizwan failed.

Our spinners are so bad and one dimensional that Mickey Arthur chose to go all pace in UAE...

Australia are at the top of the table and we are at middle bottom.

It is no coincidence.

Babar can only do so much.

This.

It was a collective failure of whole team.
Babar the batsman tried his best but could only do so much.
Babar the captain could've done better with his tactics and selections.

The biggest reason for losing this series is the poor performance of spinners.
You can't win with these spinners.

With Eng and NZ series approaching....Pakistan have to look at others.
 
But but his pretty cover drives !

Our system and our social set up, simply does not produce good, effective and successful leaders.

We simply do not understand the concept of effective and successful leadership and the skills required to become one.

Our education system is based on Ratta.

Everyone goes to school or gets sent to school, only and only, because he/she wants to find a good job, that in turn will get him a good rishta, some status in the society and ability to earn money by hook or by crook at their work places.

There is no real effort to make a difference in the world for the betterment of humanity. There is no concept to innovate and explore new possibilities of knowledge. There is no concept of setting higher goals to achieve that no one has previously achieved. There is no concept to introducing something new. There is hardly any focus to develop effective verbal speaking skills. There is no education or training to build confidence to become an impactful leader.

Our education system and our cultural upbringing is just a stuck in a rut, type tunnel vision. Can't think or look out of the box.

It's all about passing the exams and go to the next class till you graduate and look for a job, which should ideally be a govt job where you won't have to work but are guaranteed a passive salary.

Put a random school kid on the camera with a mic on and in front of an large audience, and he/she will be shy and unable to talk with confidence.

On the contrary, pick a random kid from an American school, put on him/her on Stage and give them a mic, and see how confidently they talk without any training for this event.

Look at our supposedly current "Leaders" of political parties or at any other front. Does anyone look like a leader from any angle?

Does Ramiz Raja or Ijaz But or Najam Sethi etc ever looked like a "leader"?

We had one Jinnah and now perhaps IK, who has some little hints of inspiration with lots of flaws and mistakes under his belt.

Unless we change and improve our education system and our social culture to produce REAL LEADERS, we will never improve and we won't move forward. We will remain a lost herd of sheep that has no idea of it's destination.

Our schools and our system has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that train kids to become LEADERS. Our society has absolute NOTHING that groom leaders.

We are trained and designed to become good workhorses but never good leaders. And our cricket is suffering from the same. No natural leader.
 
Our system and our social set up, simply does not produce good, effective and successful leaders.

We simply do not understand the concept of effective and successful leadership and the skills required to become one.

Our education system is based on Ratta.

Everyone goes to school or gets sent to school, only and only, because he/she wants to find a good job, that in turn will get him a good rishta, some status in the society and ability to earn money by hook or by crook at their work places.

There is no real effort to make a difference in the world for the betterment of humanity. There is no concept to innovate and explore new possibilities of knowledge. There is no concept of setting higher goals to achieve that no one has previously achieved. There is no concept to introducing something new. There is hardly any focus to develop effective verbal speaking skills. There is no education or training to build confidence to become an impactful leader.

Our education system and our cultural upbringing is just a stuck in a rut, type tunnel vision. Can't think or look out of the box.

It's all about passing the exams and go to the next class till you graduate and look for a job, which should ideally be a govt job where you won't have to work but are guaranteed a passive salary.

Put a random school kid on the camera with a mic on and in front of an large audience, and he/she will be shy and unable to talk with confidence.

On the contrary, pick a random kid from an American school, put on him/her on Stage and give them a mic, and see how confidently they talk without any training for this event.

Look at our supposedly current "Leaders" of political parties or at any other front. Does anyone look like a leader from any angle?

Does Ramiz Raja or Ijaz But or Najam Sethi etc ever looked like a "leader"?

We had one Jinnah and now perhaps IK, who has some little hints of inspiration with lots of flaws and mistakes under his belt.

Unless we change and improve our education system and our social culture to produce REAL LEADERS, we will never improve and we won't move forward. We will remain a lost herd of sheep that has no idea of it's destination.

Our schools and our system has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that train kids to become LEADERS. Our society has absolute NOTHING that groom leaders.

We are trained and designed to become good workhorses but never good leaders. And our cricket is suffering from the same. No natural leader.
Have to agree with this.

We keep harping about the negative mindset of the players but forget that these players are the product of our society. They may be skilled to be a good workhorse as you say, but going beyond that is usually very difficult for our players. Hence, the safe strategy is to bank on 'experience' irrespective of whether that's good enough.

It is a breath of fresh air to see some psl franchises give a shot at Shaheen, Shadab for captaincy this year. If it doesn't work, it's fine we go back to the age old mediocrity but if these guys really develop into leaders in the future, then that is only good for Pakistan.
 
Our system and our social set up, simply does not produce good, effective and successful leaders.

We simply do not understand the concept of effective and successful leadership and the skills required to become one.

Our education system is based on Ratta.

Everyone goes to school or gets sent to school, only and only, because he/she wants to find a good job, that in turn will get him a good rishta, some status in the society and ability to earn money by hook or by crook at their work places.

There is no real effort to make a difference in the world for the betterment of humanity. There is no concept to innovate and explore new possibilities of knowledge. There is no concept of setting higher goals to achieve that no one has previously achieved. There is no concept to introducing something new. There is hardly any focus to develop effective verbal speaking skills. There is no education or training to build confidence to become an impactful leader.

Our education system and our cultural upbringing is just a stuck in a rut, type tunnel vision. Can't think or look out of the box.

It's all about passing the exams and go to the next class till you graduate and look for a job, which should ideally be a govt job where you won't have to work but are guaranteed a passive salary.

Put a random school kid on the camera with a mic on and in front of an large audience, and he/she will be shy and unable to talk with confidence.

On the contrary, pick a random kid from an American school, put on him/her on Stage and give them a mic, and see how confidently they talk without any training for this event.

Look at our supposedly current "Leaders" of political parties or at any other front. Does anyone look like a leader from any angle?

Does Ramiz Raja or Ijaz But or Najam Sethi etc ever looked like a "leader"?

We had one Jinnah and now perhaps IK, who has some little hints of inspiration with lots of flaws and mistakes under his belt.

Unless we change and improve our education system and our social culture to produce REAL LEADERS, we will never improve and we won't move forward. We will remain a lost herd of sheep that has no idea of it's destination.

Our schools and our system has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that train kids to become LEADERS. Our society has absolute NOTHING that groom leaders.

We are trained and designed to become good workhorses but never good leaders. And our cricket is suffering from the same. No natural leader.
Ironically, both Jinnah & IK got their education and formation from the UK.
 
Our system and our social set up, simply does not produce good, effective and successful leaders.

We simply do not understand the concept of effective and successful leadership and the skills required to become one.

Our education system is based on Ratta.

Everyone goes to school or gets sent to school, only and only, because he/she wants to find a good job, that in turn will get him a good rishta, some status in the society and ability to earn money by hook or by crook at their work places.

There is no real effort to make a difference in the world for the betterment of humanity. There is no concept to innovate and explore new possibilities of knowledge. There is no concept of setting higher goals to achieve that no one has previously achieved. There is no concept to introducing something new. There is hardly any focus to develop effective verbal speaking skills. There is no education or training to build confidence to become an impactful leader.

Our education system and our cultural upbringing is just a stuck in a rut, type tunnel vision. Can't think or look out of the box.

It's all about passing the exams and go to the next class till you graduate and look for a job, which should ideally be a govt job where you won't have to work but are guaranteed a passive salary.

Put a random school kid on the camera with a mic on and in front of an large audience, and he/she will be shy and unable to talk with confidence.

On the contrary, pick a random kid from an American school, put on him/her on Stage and give them a mic, and see how confidently they talk without any training for this event.

Look at our supposedly current "Leaders" of political parties or at any other front. Does anyone look like a leader from any angle?

Does Ramiz Raja or Ijaz But or Najam Sethi etc ever looked like a "leader"?

We had one Jinnah and now perhaps IK, who has some little hints of inspiration with lots of flaws and mistakes under his belt.

Unless we change and improve our education system and our social culture to produce REAL LEADERS, we will never improve and we won't move forward. We will remain a lost herd of sheep that has no idea of it's destination.

Our schools and our system has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that train kids to become LEADERS. Our society has absolute NOTHING that groom leaders.

We are trained and designed to become good workhorses but never good leaders. And our cricket is suffering from the same. No natural leader.

POTW. Couldn't have said it better.

The thing is we did use to produce well groomed leaders such as AH Kardar, Majid Khan, Asif Iqbal, Mushtaq Mohammad, Imran Khan etc. What has happened in space of 30 years ?

Now we listen to our cricket captains and their usual speech of:

"Bismillah hirrahman nirrahim, first of all thanks to God. Yeah credit to the boyss, the management gave us confidence, vee have good yungstas. Ok. Goodbye."
 
[MENTION=151861]Colorblind Genius[/MENTION]
Good post.


While education may enhance some aspect of a leader's skills, it cannot make a leader on its own. This is evidenced by the success of scores of not well educated leaders in business, politics and society in general.

You mentioned about Verbal skills, Public speaking , Camera etc ..do you think all graduated guys are good at those skills?
Virat Kohli has no Degree, he is just School pass out but he is better than many Graduates.
Rahul Gandhi is Harvard graduate, he can't speak properly more than two minutes on any given topic.
 
POTW. Couldn't have said it better.

The thing is we did use to produce well groomed leaders such as AH Kardar, Majid Khan, Asif Iqbal, Mushtaq Mohammad, Imran Khan etc. What has happened in space of 30 years ?

Now we listen to our cricket captains and their usual speech of:

"Bismillah hirrahman nirrahim, first of all thanks to God. Yeah credit to the boyss, the management gave us confidence, vee have good yungstas. Ok. Goodbye."

Its not even about having education or english

What we need is a captain who has confidence in his abilities to lead from the front To look the opposition in the eye and stare him down and get 110% out of each player because if they dont give that there would be hell to pay

Javed wasnt the most educated but he fought on the pitch till the very end and against the opposition every time he went out

In this team i just dont see many players with the heart and courage to leave everything they have on the ground and know that if they dont perform the captain will have them for breakfast
 
And in 4th innings, Pakistan under Sarfraz should have gone for the win. I remember against Srilanka when we chased 300 in 50 odd overs. Where is the f intent???

That chase was under Misbah not Sarfraz.

Under Sarfraz Pakistan was losing home series regularly and failed to chase.

136 Vs Sri Lanka - lost by 21 runs

317 vs Sri Lanka - lost by 68 runs

176 vs New Zealand - lost by 4 runs

280 vs New Zealand - lost by 123 runs

All in UAE.
 
Isnt he selecting the team and back poor performing players on the back of seniority and friendship

That is the most crucial aspect people are ignoring. Its almost as if he likes to carry poor performers just to blame the defeat on them later and not worry about his ownership as a captain,
 
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I don't think there are any good captaincy options within Pakistan at the moment.

Although I have always found the role of head coach to be not to useful - should have the captain take full responsibility- our best bet maybe hiring a seasoned coach in the form of Andy Flower, Mike Hesson etc who could essentially take charge of the team and help build a winning culture with Babar role as captain being to lead from the front.
 
Babar Azam is the best thing to happen to Pakistan cricket since Saeed Ajmal. Stop this petty nonsense.
 
Babar should focus on his batting let Rizwan take the charge.

Babar just completed few series.. there is a long way to go for him as a test captain, if he is like this after say 15-20 tests atleast , then there should be something that needs to be looked at regarding his captaincy..

Sarfraz was lucky to have MA as coach, similarly babar needs someone like Andy Flower to guide him..
Misbahs influence is deep-rooted into this team, it will take some years to undo that..

This is his first series against one of top 4 test teams as captain.. He got injured in NZL last years and well Rizwan was the captain there , was he able to do anything notable there apart from scoring 50s..
 
Our system and our social set up, simply does not produce good, effective and successful leaders.

We simply do not understand the concept of effective and successful leadership and the skills required to become one.

Our education system is based on Ratta.

Everyone goes to school or gets sent to school, only and only, because he/she wants to find a good job, that in turn will get him a good rishta, some status in the society and ability to earn money by hook or by crook at their work places.

There is no real effort to make a difference in the world for the betterment of humanity. There is no concept to innovate and explore new possibilities of knowledge. There is no concept of setting higher goals to achieve that no one has previously achieved. There is no concept to introducing something new. There is hardly any focus to develop effective verbal speaking skills. There is no education or training to build confidence to become an impactful leader.

Our education system and our cultural upbringing is just a stuck in a rut, type tunnel vision. Can't think or look out of the box.

It's all about passing the exams and go to the next class till you graduate and look for a job, which should ideally be a govt job where you won't have to work but are guaranteed a passive salary.

Put a random school kid on the camera with a mic on and in front of an large audience, and he/she will be shy and unable to talk with confidence.

On the contrary, pick a random kid from an American school, put on him/her on Stage and give them a mic, and see how confidently they talk without any training for this event.


Look at our supposedly current "Leaders" of political parties or at any other front. Does anyone look like a leader from any angle?

Does Ramiz Raja or Ijaz But or Najam Sethi etc ever looked like a "leader"?

We had one Jinnah and now perhaps IK, who has some little hints of inspiration with lots of flaws and mistakes under his belt.

Unless we change and improve our education system and our social culture to produce REAL LEADERS, we will never improve and we won't move forward. We will remain a lost herd of sheep that has no idea of it's destination.

Our schools and our system has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that train kids to become LEADERS. Our society has absolute NOTHING that groom leaders.

We are trained and designed to become good workhorses but never good leaders. And our cricket is suffering from the same. No natural leader.

This is going a little over board. There are bunch of kids in USA school system who are not as confident as Pakistani counterparts but, I get the gist of what you meant and I agree that the system in Pakistan does not encourage CRITICAL and ANALYTICAL thinking from early childhood which are the MOST IMPORTNAT skills to build a character.

Since this is a cricket forum and if we stick to it, as any other sport or profession, the foundation is best laid in school. There is a reason why MOST successful professional sportspersons are groomed from early childhood. We don't even have to go too far. Pakistan itself while had a reasonable school cricket and hockey structure, we did alright in these sports (actually quite well).

In short, Pakistan needs to create structure in every aspect of life to be successful persistently.
 
152-0 against india and getting the monkey off our backs.

196 in karachi

match winning knocks against nz in wc

countless other brilliant knocks.

please stop criticizing him. he's a gun player and is only able to do so much

hasan ali, fawad alam, two spinners did absolutely nothing.

it was like playing 7 against 11.

out of those 7, we had imam up haq playing dumb shots and azhar ali batting so slowly that he killed all the momentum.
 
Our system and our social set up, simply does not produce good, effective and successful leaders.

We simply do not understand the concept of effective and successful leadership and the skills required to become one.

Our education system is based on Ratta.

Everyone goes to school or gets sent to school, only and only, because he/she wants to find a good job, that in turn will get him a good rishta, some status in the society and ability to earn money by hook or by crook at their work places.

There is no real effort to make a difference in the world for the betterment of humanity. There is no concept to innovate and explore new possibilities of knowledge. There is no concept of setting higher goals to achieve that no one has previously achieved. There is no concept to introducing something new. There is hardly any focus to develop effective verbal speaking skills. There is no education or training to build confidence to become an impactful leader.

Our education system and our cultural upbringing is just a stuck in a rut, type tunnel vision. Can't think or look out of the box.

It's all about passing the exams and go to the next class till you graduate and look for a job, which should ideally be a govt job where you won't have to work but are guaranteed a passive salary.

Put a random school kid on the camera with a mic on and in front of an large audience, and he/she will be shy and unable to talk with confidence.

On the contrary, pick a random kid from an American school, put on him/her on Stage and give them a mic, and see how confidently they talk without any training for this event.

Look at our supposedly current "Leaders" of political parties or at any other front. Does anyone look like a leader from any angle?

Does Ramiz Raja or Ijaz But or Najam Sethi etc ever looked like a "leader"?

We had one Jinnah and now perhaps IK, who has some little hints of inspiration with lots of flaws and mistakes under his belt.

Unless we change and improve our education system and our social culture to produce REAL LEADERS, we will never improve and we won't move forward. We will remain a lost herd of sheep that has no idea of it's destination.

Our schools and our system has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that train kids to become LEADERS. Our society has absolute NOTHING that groom leaders.

We are trained and designed to become good workhorses but never good leaders. And our cricket is suffering from the same. No natural leader.

over reaching conclusions and giving importance to education system...U.S. education system has its flaws also.

professional athletes have sufficient training.

one cannot be a professional athlete if they do not have confidence, desire, ambition and hunger. no school can teach that

please see my previous post- this series was lost because pakistan played with 7 performing players vs 11 from australia...

hasan ali, fawad alam, two spinners did absolutely nothing.
 
He is not better than Root if you are talking about current form.

Also, I was referring to the league of Fab 4 which is elite level league so Babar will have to take his test average to 50 to get that league.

Altought I agree Babar's career isn't half as decorated as the fab 4 so far, but average of 50 isn't really the criteria.
Two of the fab 4 doesn't even average 50 themselves.
 
Babar is turning out like Joe Root. An uninspiring captain. Give him a good team and he can lead them from front. However he doesn't have the luxury of a settled team. So to inspire a win out of an underdog side, you need to make things happen, you need to have backup tactics, you can't just let the game drift on.

It was a big difference between Dhoni the test captain and Kohli as test captain. When game got tough, Dhoni kept waiting for things to happen. Kohli had plan b, c, d, e and what not and more often than not he broke the lul and got India going. Root, Babar and their likes lack this.
 
Babar is turning out like Joe Root. An uninspiring captain. Give him a good team and he can lead them from front. However he doesn't have the luxury of a settled team. So to inspire a win out of an underdog side, you need to make things happen, you need to have backup tactics, you can't just let the game drift on.

It was a big difference between Dhoni the test captain and Kohli as test captain. When game got tough, Dhoni kept waiting for things to happen. Kohli had plan b, c, d, e and what not and more often than not he broke the lul and got India going. Root, Babar and their likes lack this.

Very good observation.

Both Root and Azam seem to know only and only one way to have an impact - and that is, personally try to score some runs.

They don’t seem to be tacticians for captains.
 
Not impressed by his innings today - afraid he is doing grave injustice to his talent with such innings
 
When babar came to the crease the RRQ was 6.4 an over when he got out 20 overs later the RRQ was 7.5 an over

He and imam were too slow and wasted too many deliveries
 
I absolutely love Babar and only want to see him improve. Babar should not always look for fabolous cover drive for boundary, which usually goes straight into the hands of the fielder and thus ends up being a dot. He can immensely improve his game by just playing less dots/rotating the strike at the start of innings.

If you follow Kane Williamson closely, you will find how doctored his innings are. He doesn't waste any deliveries when he is new to the crease. There is no glory shots from the first ball. He takes time, scores singles, remains patient and then eventually when he gets his eye in, he puts away the bad and sometimes good balls for boundary. Just simply consuming less dot balls would enable Pakistan win games a lot.
 
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The aim should be simple Nothing less than staying up with the req runrate is acceptable

Until he changes his strategy he and his team is gonna fail
 
Really poor Innings didn't try and use his feet or take the attack to the bowlers stayed in gear one
 
Babar as a batsman and fielder is quite good. Not a whole lot to complain about there except sometimes I feel like he can not play short pitched deliveries or sweep shots properly.

As a captain he's totally M.I.A, They would have been better off giving Rizwan the captaincy. Let Babar think only about his batting.
 
Too many players are content to remain in their comfort zone, and Babar's white ball batting is a prime example.

It seems he'd rather maintain a superb average with riskless batting than accept a slightly lower average in pursuit of a higher SR.

The defence is to point to our weak middle order, and while that's true, Babar is the captain picking these weak middle order batsmen.

This is partly why I always support foreign coaches for Pakistan because our local coaches are less willing to push our stars.
 
Too many players are content to remain in their comfort zone, and Babar's white ball batting is a prime example.

It seems he'd rather maintain a superb average with riskless batting than accept a slightly lower average in pursuit of a higher SR.

The defence is to point to our weak middle order, and while that's true, Babar is the captain picking these weak middle order batsmen.

This is partly why I always support foreign coaches for Pakistan because our local coaches are less willing to push our stars.

Yes true We saw it under M Arthur how he was getting rid of the lazy mentality and demanding more from our players in terms of fitness and strike rate

Crickets changed since The likes of M Yousuf and Saqlian played I cant see them asking the players to push themselves in terms of increasing strike rates, lowering dotballs and more power hitting
 
Yes true We saw it under M Arthur how he was getting rid of the lazy mentality and demanding more from our players in terms of fitness and strike rate

Crickets changed since The likes of M Yousuf and Saqlian played I cant see them asking the players to push themselves in terms of increasing strike rates, lowering dotballs and more power hitting

The thing is, the game has moved on a bit since Yousuf’s time, but they used to time their chases really well. Even if they didn’t win, they would not go in to their shells. I remember the partnership between Inzi and Yousuf Karachi 2004. Chasing 350, the way those two went about it was beautiful. Picking the singles, grabbing the boundaries, yousuf hitting a six every few overs. Yes they didn’t quite get over the line in that match, but that partnership was special.

It was completely different to how these guys approach it, getting bogged down, defending and then random hoick.
 
When babar came to the crease the RRQ was 6.4 an over when he got out 20 overs later the RRQ was 7.5 an over

He and imam were too slow and wasted too many deliveries

It could have been better, but 20 overs latter with no more wicket down, a RRR of 7.5 is fine.
It looked worse because no-one else played well after Babar's dismissal.
 
And the captain smashes the hundred - another match winning innings for Pakistan. While people ike OP can only sulk. :yk
 
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This is exactly Babar was supposed to do and now a job well done. This is the answer to those who believe that he played slowly in the past fearing that his fall would lead a domino effect.

I am hoping that this trend will continue. DO NOT worry about what happens if failed; Just get rid of the negative feelings; Do the job the best you can and we know that he is too good of a batsman to fail more than not.
 
Not many people knew exactly what had transpired on the third ball of the 41st over at the Gaddafi Stadium in Lahore when Babar Azam celebrated his ton in fine style against Australia. Normally, when a player scores a hundred, the home crowd erupt in jubilation and sing songs of praise for the player. However, nothing of that sort was on display despite the home team captain jumping in the air and fist pumping to celebrate his 15th ton. Well, the catch was that Babar was still on 99 not out when he punched the air in delight after he completed running two runs. The hilarious incident was even acknowledged by the players on the field who were left in splits, something which even put a smile on Babar's face later.

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Babar has lost plenty of supporters today. Pretty sure he had a say and will be ok with a soft 80-90 runs on this flat patta.
 
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