Babar Azam's problem with power hitting

[Nikhil_cric]

If sharjeel or any other batsman was a consistent performer, you could make a case of babars omission. But paks batting is so poor, they can't afford to drop him.

It's like if Zimbabwe had pujara. They would play him even in t20s as they would have no other option

If that is indeed the case and the are no better alternatives then yes, he should play and shouldn't be criticised. But Pakistan's T20 I batting wont be able to match the likes of India, England, Australia and NZ for a while till they produce elite power hitters.

 

[rhony]

He's an amazing timer of the ball and that's enough for his role in ODI's and certainly more than enough in Tests. He's similar to Kohli in the sense that neither are powerful strikers of the cricket ball. However, Kohli has a strike rate in the 140's in recent years in T20I's and he still gets a bit of criticism from certain quarters for not accelerating enough. Babar has way too much on his plate currently and I think it'd be better if he gives up captaincy and the shortest format.

No way he's giving up any of those. The measure of success in T20Is with Misbah and Younis at the helm is probably still batting AVG. That needs to change.

 

[Firebat]

Pakistan finish the powerplay on 64/0, with Babar on 34 from 18.

 

[Slim]

Babar has shown several times that he has a fourth and fifth gear but likes to keep it risk free in general which is why the wrong perception is there. Then of course the naysayers are ready with their confirmation bias. While i type this, the number 1 batsman in the world scored a 50 with a SR of 200 - leading his team from the front. King babar.

 

[enigmatic_stani]

Babar has shown several times that he has a fourth and fifth gear but likes to keep it risk free in general which is why the wrong perception is there. Then of course the naysayers are ready with their confirmation bias. While i type this, the number 1 batsman in the world scored a 50 with a SR of 200 - leading his team from the front. King babar.

Agree what people fail to realise is that the likes of Kohli, Bairstow, Warner have other world class hitters around him whereas Barbar cannot always take that risk as he is surrounded by mainly mediocrity.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Babar in rare form today. Super clean striking complimented by pinpoint placement and good rotation of strike.

The perfect 'anchor' innings so far. Let's hope he can see it through to the end.

 

[rhony]

Perfect batting and playing to his strengths. All he needs to do is time the ball.

 

[Firebat]

A maiden T20I century in 49 balls chasing a 200+ total. Proved us all wrong.

Take a bow, Babar Azam. Stunning.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

This thread

 

[Mamoon]

This wasn’t power-hitting; this was putting an Under 15 caliber bowling performance to the sword.

I have never seen so many pies bowled in an innings. He can bat all day here without breaking a sweat.

Embarrassing stuff by South Africa to say the least.

 

[Farabi]

I don’t understand why people make such posts.

Kohli has played innings that Babar cannot play in his dreams.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Babar 121* from 57 balls match winning innings chasing big target.
if you have any ounce of integrity, you will apologize about your incorrect assessment of Babar that he cannot play fast enough, or chase big targets. Kindly accept that Babar daddy Azam is as good a batsmen can get!! We are waiting, thanks

 

[Farabi]

This wasn’t power-hitting; this was putting an Under 15 caliber bowling performance to the sword.

I have never seen so many pies bowled in an innings. He can bat all day here without breaking a sweat.

Embarrassing stuff by South Africa to say the least.

Hahaha okay

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Babar 121* from 57 balls match winning innings chasing big target.
if you have any ounce of integrity, you will apologize about your incorrect assessment of Babar that he cannot play fast enough, or chase big targets. Kindly accept that Babar daddy Azam is as good a batsmen can get!! We are waiting, thanks

This bowling performance was worse than what the U-15 Kenya team can produce. I have never seen a worse bowling performance in international cricket.

It was pie after pie....after pie. Forget a good batsman like Babar - even 50 year old Misbah and Younis could have padded up today and tonked this bowling.

Kohli would not even bother to play against such an attack. It would be beneath him.

 

[Bewal Express]

A brilliant innings by Babar after the terrible effort last game. Babar just needs to play more against the better teams and his game in this format would also go to another level.

 

[King-Misbah]

This bowling performance was worse than what the U-15 Kenya team can produce. I have never seen a worse bowling performance in international cricket.

It was pie after pie....after pie. Forget a good batsman like Babar - even 50 year old Misbah and Younis could have padded up today and tonked this bowling.

Kohli would not even bother to play against such an attack. It would be beneath him.

Burn ��

 

[rhony]

Played to his strengths and smashed the bowling with well timed shots. Picking gaps, timing the ball, strokes around the ground, running twos. All were on display today. Those bunts off yorkers to third man boundaries were just incredible. Much safer than ramp or sweep or reverse sweep.

 

[The_KING]

Great innings. What’s this obsession with power hitting anyway? Babar’s game is all about timing and placement. The last thing we need is Babar to abandon the foundations of his game to become some tullay baaz. You don’t need to be a power hitter to play fast, as Babar proved today.

 

[Sunzi]

This bowling performance was worse than what the U-15 Kenya team can produce. I have never seen a worse bowling performance in international cricket.

It was pie after pie....after pie. Forget a good batsman like Babar - even 50 year old Misbah and Younis could have padded up today and tonked this bowling.

Kohli would not even bother to play against such an attack. It would be beneath him.

Irrespective, he had to go and do it and he did and prior to the start of the innings no one expected this to be chased down. I agree with many of the points you make, although I feel you are supremely negative (that's your prerogative), but scapegoating the attack now is poor form TBH.

It's a great knock in what was seemingly a challenging target. Enjoy it brother!

 

[shujaatraza]

This wasn’t power-hitting; this was putting an Under 15 caliber bowling performance to the sword.

I have never seen so many pies bowled in an innings. He can bat all day here without breaking a sweat.

Embarrassing stuff by South Africa to say the least.

When Pakistan fails it is always because we are a bunch of mediocre cricketers..when Pakistan plays well it is always the opposition who sucks more than us ..right bro?

 

[Farhansk]

What an innings!! Just incredible, Wow.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Just saw his post match interview, he said he is sticking to his strengths.

This was a pure batsman's innings. Quality shot selection, timing and temperament.

He is the perfect batsman. Could have chased down 280 today. I am amazed. Sky is the limit for Babar-e-Azam (Babar the great).

 

[Amjid Javed]

This bowling performance was worse than what the U-15 Kenya team can produce. I have never seen a worse bowling performance in international cricket.

It was pie after pie....after pie. Forget a good batsman like Babar - even 50 year old Misbah and Younis could have padded up today and tonked this bowling.

Kohli would not even bother to play against such an attack. It would be beneath him.

if kohli had played such a knock irrespective of opposition you would have been doing bhangra for next decade. rather than give a player credit you always have to put a negative jibe to it. your like a broken record.

 

[sharmaji]

I think this innings answered all his critics. What a fantastic player Babar is turning out to be. Congrats Pak fans. You have the world's best batsman in your team.

 

[Farabi]

This bowling performance was worse than what the U-15 Kenya team can produce. I have never seen a worse bowling performance in international cricket.

It was pie after pie....after pie. Forget a good batsman like Babar - even 50 year old Misbah and Younis could have padded up today and tonked this bowling.

Kohli would not even bother to play against such an attack. It would be beneath him.

Lol okay
I have never seen any Pakistani bat the way Babar did today. It was % cricket not slogging, with some very quick singles and doubles. They put pressure on the bowlers by pacing the game and full credit to them.

 

[Ahmed216]

This bowling performance was worse than what the U-15 Kenya team can produce. I have never seen a worse bowling performance in international cricket.

It was pie after pie....after pie. Forget a good batsman like Babar - even 50 year old Misbah and Younis could have padded up today and tonked this bowling.

Kohli would not even bother to play against such an attack. It would be beneath him.

U are getting boring now

 

[da_don]

typical comment from a person who cannot accept defeat.. Babar is currently top t20 and odi batsman and 6th in test.. the world has accepted he is one of the best currently in the world.. no one needs to try and convince you othervise.. the hatred can be seen all over.. now go back and wait for one failure to come and say something spiteful..

 

[Bilal7]

I think he'll manage well enough. Stop stressing.

woo man you're posts haven't aged well and it's not even been a week

You were saying? Honestly, anyone who expects Babar to hit out when wickets are falling at the other end needs to stop calling themselves a fan of cricket. You don't know the sport and your opinions should not he taken seriously.

Hashim Amla II.

I agree. He has the same class and quality of the great Hashim Amla. Although, he seems some way off in test cricket. Regardless, great news for Pakistan. Unless he has a huge fall-off, he should end up as Pakistan's third ATG batsman, after Miandad and Younis, and the greatest Pakistani batsman of all-time.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I frankly didn't like his 100 innings today too much.

Yes, great job and congrats for taking the team home and reaching a great personal milestone.

But this tulla maar type lapaaru batting style is a compromise on his class.

He should have someone else open the innings and come down and play good looking cricket that he is best at.

 

[Rana]

Babar is an Amla level ODI player. People should not expect him to play like Kohli and Rohit. He doesn’t possess their ability.

Babar will never be someone who can convert a total of 300 into 350 and chase down big totals.

He is an extremely consistent accumulator but that’s it.

Pakistan has no talent so Babar is worth his weight in gold for us, but let’s not pretend that he is as good as the best the other teams have to offer.

I see.

Tell us more

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Power hitting is an essential skill today and while he is an excellent stroke player striking @ 90 but the man needs to know when to accelerate once he's required to do so. A batsman of his calliber should be trusted to hit those sixes if need be. It prevents him from being a complete batsman

You will perhaps either get power hitting or classy play.

Every other tulla can be, and is, a "power hitter" in T20, but classy batsman like Baber comes once is a while.

You want Baber to play power hitting in classy fashion? Won't happen!

Baber becoming a power hitter and lose his class.... yes, that's possible.

It's difficult to get both qualities in one batsman .... so make your pick.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

U are getting boring now

Ya boring and very predictable. Expect him to say the loss is due to mediocre Pak cricketers and won because the opponent gifted them in platter or suck in every department.

Agree that this is not the best pace attack from SA but the run chase of 200+ , Babar just dominated the word go and put 122 runs in less than 10 overs to seal a thumping win.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

You will perhaps either get power hitting or classy play.

Every other tulla can be, and is, a "power hitter" in T20, but classy batsman like Baber comes once is a while.

You want Baber to play power hitting in classy fashion? Won't happen!

Baber becoming a power hitter and lose his class.... yes, that's possible.

It's difficult to get both qualities in one batsman .... so make your pick.

Well said. Classy Babar all the way. School the FTB power hitters on how to play classy shots.

 

[OldWarHorse]

Such a classy player to watch. Can do a Williamson in this format easily

 

[TheNightWatchman]

You were saying? Honestly, anyone who expects Babar to hit out when wickets are falling at the other end needs to stop calling themselves a fan of cricket. You don't know the sport and your opinions should not he taken seriously.



I agree. He has the same class and quality of the great Hashim Amla. Although, he seems some way off in test cricket. Regardless, great news for Pakistan. Unless he has a huge fall-off, he should end up as Pakistan's third ATG batsman, after Miandad and Younis, and the greatest Pakistani batsman of all-time.

That doesn't disprove anything I said from my main point. the guy mishit atleast 3 slogs during his innings which luckily landed short of fielders. Hitting trundlers off of length is expected anyways. I mean it was a good innings but considering it was against an abhorrent bowling lineup doesn't prove much.

 

[Titan24]

Such a classy player to watch. Can do a Williamson in this format easily

To be honest Kane Williamson is far behind Babar in the format based upon any cricket related fact and stat.

 

[heddie19]

This bowling performance was worse than what the U-15 Kenya team can produce. I have never seen a worse bowling performance in international cricket.

It was pie after pie....after pie. Forget a good batsman like Babar - even 50 year old Misbah and Younis could have padded up today and tonked this bowling.

Kohli would not even bother to play against such an attack. It would be beneath him.

But Kohli likes to smash bowlers like Kaushik in the IPL. Burn man Burn. Babar is the new King and you can't do anything about it.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Great attacking innings. Did Akhtar wake him up

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Well said. Classy Babar all the way. School the FTB power hitters on how to play classy shots.

Yep, already sick and bored of tulla maar type lapaaru batsman scoring tons and tons of runs with nothing pleasing to the eye.

It's a great refreshing change to see Baber playing those text book strokes in great style. This is a super rare sight in cricket these days.

 

[Smudger]

Some people are really burning these days due Babar's top ODI rank. Desperately trying to make him Amla 2. It must be very hard to sleep at night

 

[Mamoon]

But Kohli likes to smash bowlers like Kaushik in the IPL. Burn man Burn. Babar is the new King and you can't do anything about it.

The new king who plays like a slave against India?

On a more serious note, Babar cannot be the king in a world where the likes of Kohli, Rohit, Smith etc. are still playing.

I don’t understand Pakistani fans - Babar is a very fine player, the best a talentless team like Pakistan has produced in a very long time, but for some reason, they are hell-bent on trying to prove that he is superior than the batsmen who are clearly better than him. Why?

 

[Mobashir]

This wasn’t power-hitting; this was putting an Under 15 caliber bowling performance to the sword.

I have never seen so many pies bowled in an innings. He can bat all day here without breaking a sweat.

Embarrassing stuff by South Africa to say the least.

What was your comment after the 1st T20I?
Babar scoring any run in a big chase is a miracle?

Now your "Babar can't chase a big score" is out of the window.

 

[Mamoon]

What was your comment after the 1st T20I?
Babar scoring any run in a big chase is a miracle?

Now your "Babar can't chase a big score" is out of the window.

He will chase 200+ in every innings if he is up against such a bowling performance. This South African attack is average but yesterday they were at their absolute worst.

India and England would score 250+ if they face such halwa bowling.

 

[Mobashir]

He will chase 200+ in every innings if he is up against such a bowling performance. This South African attack is average but yesterday they were at their absolute worst.

India and England would score 250+ if they face such halwa bowling.

That's wrong, he failed in the first match against the same attack.

Would, if and buts...

Some people can only dream to play such an innings in T20's...

 

[Concerned]

Well played Babar.

Personally I am not a fan as you lack that game changing ability. More often than not, you score at a sedated pace.

Pleased you proved me wrong today, hope it continues. Regardless of the opposition, to score RR of +10 whilst chasing is a achievement.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

The Magalas and Lizards don't stand a chance against Babar.

 

[heddie19]

The new king who plays like a slave against India?

On a more serious note, Babar cannot be the king in a world where the likes of Kohli, Rohit, Smith etc. are still playing.

I don’t understand Pakistani fans - Babar is a very fine player, the best a talentless team like Pakistan has produced in a very long time, but for some reason, they are hell-bent on trying to prove that he is superior than the batsmen who are clearly better than him. Why?

So scoring big against india is the criteria? Nasir Jamshed > Mohammad Yousuf for you? (Nasir has an avg of 102 against india while Virat averages 48 against Pakistan)

Wait a little. He will do it too and in supreme fashion inshaAllah. It is not his fault that india doesn't play often with Pakistan, is it?

I wouldn't even comment on Smith and Rohit as they're no way near babar across all format game.
As for Kohli, I don't see the Pakistani's romance with a player who has scored 2 runs in his last 2 WC SFs and never able to match the score of same Babar at WC in 3 attempts while Babar only had 1 so far

 

[Ashmal]

The Magalas and Lizards don't stand a chance against Babar.

He has smashed even the Rabadas and Nortjes on this tour.....so what's your point

 

[Ashmal]

That doesn't disprove anything I said from my main point. the guy mishit atleast 3 slogs during his innings which luckily landed short of fielders. Hitting trundlers off of length is expected anyways. I mean it was a good innings but considering it was against an abhorrent bowling lineup doesn't prove much.

Name any big innings which don't have a few mishits landing short or a few lucky edges going the batsman's way.

It's part of the game....you can't have every ball hitting the middle of your bat however great a batsman you are.

 

[Mamoon]

So scoring big against india is the criteria? Nasir Jamshed > Mohammad Yousuf for you? (Nasir has an avg of 102 against india while Virat averages 48 against Pakistan)

Wait a little. He will do it too and in supreme fashion inshaAllah. It is not his fault that india doesn't play often with Pakistan, is it?

I wouldn't even comment on Smith and Rohit as they're no way near babar across all format game.
As for Kohli, I don't see the Pakistani's romance with a player who has scored 2 runs in his last 2 WC SFs and never able to match the score of same Babar at WC in 3 attempts while Babar only had 1 so far

Mohammad Yousuf played several quality knocks against India across formats. His innings against India in the 2004 CT was better than any innings by Jamshed against India.

Babar on the other hand has been a total flop against India. Not a single good innings so far. He has been exposed by India both mentally and technically.

As far as Kohli is concerned, in spite of scoring 2 runs in the last two World Cup semifinals, he is a far greater batsman than anyone Pakistan has ever produced, and he is arguably the greatest ODI batsman of all time.

He can retire today and Babar can play for another 10 years and Babar will not catch him. That is how great Kohli’s career has been.

Also, the fact you that you think that Babar is better than Smith and Rohit across formats simple reiterates my point that Pakistani fans are the most deluded, ignorant and clueless fans in the cricket world.

 

[Mamoon]

That's wrong, he failed in the first match against the same attack.

Would, if and buts...

Some people can only dream to play such an innings in T20's...

The fact that you are celebrating an innings against this type of bowling performance shows that you don’t really think that highly of Babar.

If you really think he is the best batsman in the world you should not even be taking note of a batting performance against this type of bowling.

Their bowling attack is weak anyway, but yesterday they were at their worst. They served more pies than a French bakery.

The fact that Babar scored 50 (50) against them when they bowled decently the other day exposed his limitations in the format.

No top player has to dream about playing such an innings like this in the format. All the better white ball batsmen than Babar today have played better knocks than this one.

However, I don’t blame you for your excitement. Babar is obviously not in the Kohli and Rohit league, so perhaps this innings was an achievement for him.

 

[Ahmed216]

The fact that you are celebrating an innings against this type of bowling performance shows that you don’t really think that highly of Babar.

If you really think he is the best batsman in the world you should not even be taking note of a batting performance against this type of bowling.

Their bowling attack is weak anyway, but yesterday they were at their worst. They served more pies than a French bakery.

The fact that Babar scored 50 (50) against them when they bowled decently the other day exposed his limitations in the format.

No top player has to dream about playing such an innings like this in the format. All the better white ball batsmen than Babar today have played better knocks than this one.

However, I don’t blame you for your excitement. Babar is obviously not in the Kohli and Rohit league, so perhaps this innings was an achievement for him.

I guess Babar is enjoying a free ride in international cricket. Lack of talent in country ensures he's under no pressure to raise his game and is thus able to play within his comfort zone and on his own terms. Born on the other side of the border he might not have even played for a club side because of the abundant talent over there

 

[OldWarHorse]

To be honest Kane Williamson is far behind Babar in the format based upon any cricket related fact and stat.

I was saying more stylistically.

And Williamson for me is underrated in this format. I ​have seen him take apart Bumrah, Nortje, Rabada etc. with ease without needing to resort to any sort of power hitting.

Babar I see play the same way, manouvering the field to get boundaries on good balls and hitting it out of the park when its in his range.

 

[Mobashir]

The fact that you are celebrating an innings against this type of bowling performance shows that you don’t really think that highly of Babar.

If you really think he is the best batsman in the world you should not even be taking note of a batting performance against this type of bowling.

Their bowling attack is weak anyway, but yesterday they were at their worst. They served more pies than a French bakery.

The fact that Babar scored 50 (50) against them when they bowled decently the other day exposed his limitations in the format.

No top player has to dream about playing such an innings like this in the format. All the better white ball batsmen than Babar today have played better knocks than this one.

However, I don’t blame you for your excitement. Babar is obviously not in the Kohli and Rohit league, so perhaps this innings was an achievement for him.

I am not celebrating anything. Can you show me where did I celebrate anything?

Many of the big innings have come against poor bowling attacks, it's not a first.

I know how much hurt are you because your main criticism of Babar was he will never chase a 200+ target, never score a quick hundred and yesterday he ended all of it.
In a chase, away from home, scored a 49 ball hundred to win the match.

 

[Ucdkee]

The fact that you are celebrating an innings against this type of bowling performance shows that you don’t really think that highly of Babar.

If you really think he is the best batsman in the world you should not even be taking note of a batting performance against this type of bowling.

Their bowling attack is weak anyway, but yesterday they were at their worst. They served more pies than a French bakery.

The fact that Babar scored 50 (50) against them when they bowled decently the other day exposed his limitations in the format.

No top player has to dream about playing such an innings like this in the format. All the better white ball batsmen than Babar today have played better knocks than this one.

However, I don’t blame you for your excitement. Babar is obviously not in the Kohli and Rohit league, so perhaps this innings was an achievement for him.

What is this guy's obsession with Kohli & Sharma > Babar

Seems like he has been a given a task by someone to bring this discussion in one way or the other on each and every thread.

 

[silentkiller187]

The fact that you are celebrating an innings against this type of bowling performance shows that you don’t really think that highly of Babar.

If you really think he is the best batsman in the world you should not even be taking note of a batting performance against this type of bowling.

Their bowling attack is weak anyway, but yesterday they were at their worst. They served more pies than a French bakery.

The fact that Babar scored 50 (50) against them when they bowled decently the other day exposed his limitations in the format.

No top player has to dream about playing such an innings like this in the format. All the better white ball batsmen than Babar today have played better knocks than this one.

However, I don’t blame you for your excitement. Babar is obviously not in the Kohli and Rohit league, so perhaps this innings was an achievement for him.

Babar is a very good batsmen, not in the league of the top hitters just yet, but you have acknowledged that already therefore it gives the Pakistanis every right to celebrate the knock. Remind me how many t20 centuries Kohli has, or we going to move the goalposts again?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Babar was billed a promising start even as an under-19 player. You can see Shezad & Babar opening for Pakistan. Rahul & Agarwal opening for India here. Back in 2012.

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/260/260225.html

 

[Rana]

Babar was billed a promising start even as an under-19 player. You can see Shezad & Babar opening for Pakistan. Rahul & Agarwal opening for India here. Back in 2012.

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/260/260225.html

OMG King Legend Rahul and Bobby Azam are the same batch of u19s

 

[silentkiller187]

Babar was billed a promising start even as an under-19 player. You can see Shezad & Babar opening for Pakistan. Rahul & Agarwal opening for India here. Back in 2012.

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/260/260225.html

Put in a better performance with the ball than the bat

 

[naseem]

OMG King Legend Rahul and Bobby Azam are the same batch of u19s

Actually babar played 2 u19WCs...if I am not wrong.....in one he captained pak in a final against Decock's Sa.....so shehzad mayank are 3 years older than him...... Sami Aslam was his captain when he first played u19 WC i guess

 

[Mamoon]

Babar is a very good batsmen, not in the league of the top hitters just yet, but you have acknowledged that already therefore it gives the Pakistanis every right to celebrate the knock. Remind me how many t20 centuries Kohli has, or we going to move the goalposts again?

There is no need to shift goalposts because a T20I century is an insignificant achievement. Several nobody players have scored tons in the format.

Kohli is the greatest century making machine the world has ever seen. If he cared to open the innings and play against Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka and South African D teams, he would notch up several T20I hundreds without breaking a sweat.

But he obviously does not care and considers himself above playing T20Is against the lower rung sides, which is why he rarely features in the format against the weaker sides.

Kohli has top scored in two World T20s and won Man of the Tournament on both occasions. He doesn’t need any lessons in T20I batting from Babar.

 

[heddie19]

Mohammad Yousuf played several quality knocks against India across formats. His innings against India in the 2004 CT was better than any innings by Jamshed against India.

Babar on the other hand has been a total flop against India. Not a single good innings so far. He has been exposed by India both mentally and technically.

As far as Kohli is concerned, in spite of scoring 2 runs in the last two World Cup semifinals, he is a far greater batsman than anyone Pakistan has ever produced, and he is arguably the greatest ODI batsman of all time.

He can retire today and Babar can play for another 10 years and Babar will not catch him. That is how great Kohli’s career has been.

Also, the fact you that you think that Babar is better than Smith and Rohit across formats simple reiterates my point that Pakistani fans are the most deluded, ignorant and clueless fans in the cricket world.

As a matter of fact Yousuf played 40+ innings against india in ODIs and yet you can only mention one, whereas babar only played 2 innings or 3 if I am not wrong? You really think that he will never perform against india. Secondly, what was the bowling attack of india back in 90's and early 2000's when Pakistani batters inflated their stats?

Well yes, Kohli is bilateral legend, no one disagrees with it. It is just WC where he has underperfomed and that too by a margin according to the standards he has set.

As for babar's ton yesterday, Let kohli score a t20i century first before you start comparing

 

[MHN1293]

As a matter of fact Yousuf played 40+ innings against india in ODIs and yet you can only mention one, whereas babar only played 2 innings or 3 if I am not wrong? You really think that he will never perform against india. Secondly, what was the bowling attack of india back in 90's and early 2000's when Pakistani batters inflated their stats?

Well yes, Kohli is bilateral legend, no one disagrees with it. It is just WC where he has underperfomed and that too by a margin according to the standards he has set.

As for babar's ton yesterday, Let kohli score a t20i century first before you start comparing

Abid ali can smash a century against west indies bowlers right now and he will end up as better than miandad who had to face atg Wi bowlers according to this useless logic.

 

[Mamoon]

As a matter of fact Yousuf played 40+ innings against india in ODIs and yet you can only mention one, whereas babar only played 2 innings or 3 if I am not wrong? You really think that he will never perform against india. Secondly, what was the bowling attack of india back in 90's and early 2000's when Pakistani batters inflated their stats?

Well yes, Kohli is bilateral legend, no one disagrees with it. It is just WC where he has underperfomed and that too by a margin according to the standards he has set.

As for babar's ton yesterday, Let kohli score a t20i century first before you start comparing

I only named Yousuf’s best innings against India. He has played other excellent innings against them as well. For example, the 100* in the 2000 Asia Cup, the 99* in India in the 2007 series, the 87 in the 2009 Champions Trophy etc.

He wasn’t exceptional against them but he did play good knocks as well.

Babar has played 5 ODIs against India and failed in all of them. It is not his fault that he has only played 5 ODIs against them but it is not my fault either, and hence, his dismal record against India will be highlighted.

If he corrects his record against India in the future, he will be praised and his record will no longer be held against.

Thus, Pakistani fans should not get triggered by anyone highlighting Babar’s record against India so far. It is not based on any assumptions or future predictions but his lack of performances so far.

Furthermore, the idea that he is playing against an Indian attack that is better than what Yousuf played against is true, but it does not make Babar look any better.

It is a simply a different way of saying that Babar is finding it difficult to cope with a higher level of bowling, and that excuse does not put him in good light.

As far as Kohli and T20I century is concerned, I will simply copy paste an excerpt from my previous post that is right above yours:

T20I century is an insignificant achievement. Several nobody players have scored tons in the format.

Kohli is the greatest century making machine the world has ever seen. If he cared to open the innings and play against Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka and South African D teams, he would notch up several T20I hundreds without breaking a sweat.

But he obviously does not care and considers himself above playing T20Is against the lower rung sides, which is why he rarely features in the format against the weaker sides.

Kohli has top scored in two World T20s and won Man of the Tournament on both occasions. He doesn’t need any lessons in T20I batting from Babar.

 

[Mamoon]

Abid ali can smash a century against west indies bowlers right now and he will end up as better than miandad who had to face atg Wi bowlers according to this useless logic.

Maybe you should read up your own logic. You are basically admitting that Kohli is finding it difficult to cope with Indian bowling because their bowling is excellent. This excuse does not make Babar look any better.

Also, using West Indies as an analogy shows your desperation. The gap between West Indies bowling today and West Indies bowling in 70s and 80s is far, far greater than the gap between Indian bowling today and Indian bowling in the 2000s.

Sure, the current Indian attack is better, but the attack that Yousuf faced was not bad by any means. He faced the likes of Zaheer, Srinath, Kumble, Harbhajan etc.

The simple fact is that no mainstream Pakistani batsman has ever been so ordinary against India as Babar.

Miandad, Inzamam, Zaheer Abbas, Saleem Malik, Yousuf, Younis and even the likes of Butt and Malik performed against India.

The only exception so far is Babar, and whether he adjusts his record against India in the future or not is a different issue. It is simply a commentary on how he has fared against India so far, and hence it should not trigger and sting our fans this badly.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Maybe you should read up your own logic. You are basically admitting that Kohli is finding it difficult to cope with Indian bowling because their bowling is excellent. This excuse does not make Babar look any better.

Also, using West Indies as an analogy shows your desperation. The gap between West Indies bowling today and West Indies bowling in 70s and 80s is far, far greater than the gap between Indian bowling today and Indian bowling in the 2000s.

Sure, the current Indian attack is better, but the attack that Yousuf faced was not bad by any means. He faced the likes of Zaheer, Srinath, Kumble, Harbhajan etc.

The simple fact is that no mainstream Pakistani batsman has ever been so ordinary against India as Babar.

Miandad, Inzamam, Zaheer Abbas, Saleem Malik, Yousuf, Younis and even the likes of Butt and Malik performed against India.

The only exception so far is Babar, and whether he adjusts his record against India in the future or not is a different issue. It is simply a commentary on how he has fared against India so far, and hence it should not trigger and sting our fans this badly.

He will come good against them in future, all other batsman you mentioned have played ample of matches against india,

on the other hand babar plays them only in tournaments, which adds extra pressure on batsman.

 

[Mobashir]

Babar's overall strike rate of 132 is perfectly fine. He can surely be better in accelerating towards the end of the innings but I am sure it will come so good he has become.

In T20's, his powerplay game has to be the best in the world, risckless, he often bat's at a RR of 8-10.

People don't even notice it because it's not slogging, just proper cricket shots.

 

[Majid Khan]

Babar's overall strike rate of 132 is perfectly fine. He can surely be better in accelerating towards the end of the innings but I am sure it will come so good he has become.

In T20's, his powerplay game has to be the best in the world, risckless, he often bat's at a RR of 8-10.

People don't even notice it because it's not slogging, just proper cricket shots.

This is the class of the batsman that Babar Azam is, he can score quickly by just playing proper cricket strokes without taking risk - that’s what you call serious ‘talent’. Brian Lara early in his career scored many quickfire 50s and 100s even where he did not hit a six , and probably no aerial shot.. but lots of fours almost ridiculing fielders by finding any gap.

When you have the ability to time and place the ball at will to find the gaps to get it through for an effortless boundary with hardly any risk — why do you need power hitting ?

Afridi , arguably the worlds most well known power hitter, took more risk in scoring 10 then Babar does scoring 110.. what more can you say..

 

[b.lesner]

Babar back to usual 100 SR

 

[Attiq_Lone]

Babar back to usual 100 SR

There wasn't much he had to do today, low score, Fakhar was hitting it well, all he had to do was just rotate the strike hit one boundary in an over which Fakhar was doing and that's it. Can't complaint much

 

[TheNightWatchman]

There wasn't much he had to do today, low score, Fakhar was hitting it well, all he had to do was just rotate the strike hit one boundary in an over which Fakhar was doing and that's it. Can't complaint much

Threw away his wicket. If the low SR was under the guise of playing the anchor role he shouldn't have gotten out so easily.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

The fans couldn't handle the critique. Babar scoring at a SR of 90. What's the point of being an anchor if he's going to fail. [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] thoughts??
And no, I don't want to hear- wickets on the other end were falling excuse. 78-3 and Babar manages to throw it away.

 

[Mamoon]

No bhangra by deluded fans today.

You are not going to get pies after pies after pies on a flat pitch every day.

Babar has problems with power-hitting and he is not a good chaser. Anyone who disagrees with this knows nothing about cricket.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Sure he'll score good when there's ample amount of time and overs to score with no loss of wickets. But once Rizwan gets out Babar will go into his shell and instead of steering the chase he'll leave it up to the oh so very reliable batsmen.
At the end of the day Babar is your typical Pakistani bat. Once the pressure is on he can't chase. And yes I think the NZ WC innings was a one off.

 

[Sir-fraz]

No bhangra by deluded fans today.

You are not going to get pies after pies after pies on a flat pitch every day.

Babar has problems with power-hitting and he is not a good chaser. Anyone who disagrees with this knows nothing about cricket.

Funny thing is, here he didnt need to have power hitting. All he had to do was hit in the gaps and run 2s and 3s the boundaries were 75M...

It shows the lack of IQ...

 

[TheNightWatchman]

You were saying?

Yes i was saying...

 

[TheNeutralist]

But... He is better player than Kohli. Kohli needs to learn these things

 

[Mamoon]

It is extremely obvious that Babar was playing for a half-century today. He wanted to pad up his stats and get closer to the number 1 ranking in T20Is.

He was aiming for a run a ball half-century with Pakistan chasing the total by the 17th/18th overs. However, life comes at you fast, and his selfishness quickly backfired in spectacular fashion.

If both him and Rizwan did not play for their stats today, Pakistan would have won.

 

[Sir-fraz]

It is extremely obvious that Babar was playing for a half-century today. He wanted to pad up his stats and get closer to the number 1 ranking in T20Is.

He was aiming for a run a ball half-century with Pakistan chasing the total by the 17th/18th overs. However, life comes at you fast, and his selfishness quickly backfired in spectacular fashion.

If both him and Rizwan did not play for their stats today, Pakistan would have won.

Deluded fans will stay deluded. Rizwan and babar both have made an agreement if one gets out the other stays.. i guess that means even if it costs the team a win.

For the past 3 years we have been feasting on minows.. WC is coming everyone will be back to reality soon lmao

 

[Mamoon]

Deluded fans will stay deluded. Rizwan and babar both have made an agreement if one gets out the other stays.. i guess that means even if it costs the team a win.

For the past 3 years we have been feasting on minows.. WC is coming everyone will be back to reality soon lmao

It is 2017-18 period again, when we bashed minnows and our fans thought we were on the right-track before we got nuked in the Asia Cup. They even ignored the 5-0 drubbing in New Zealand because they were still high on the CT fluke.

Now they were overrating what is basically the same set of players + Rizwan.

 

[The Viper]

He has a problem with power hitting, but on faster tracks, like in SA, he can rely on his timing and the ball will come fast so he can easily manufacture boundaries. On slower tracks, the ball requires more power rather than finesse, which means that Babar will struggle more on these pitches. Zimbabwe bowled slower balls at will and our players could not pick them at all. Ironically though, Babar’s 130 SR would have been match winning on this track, it just required his normal accumulation.