Back domestic performers: The solution to Pakistan's cricketing woes

[mominsaigol]

We have seen countless upon countless times that only domestic performers who prioritise FC cricket + List A over nonsense PSL leagues end up becoming solid players for pakistan.

For example it is well known that players like shadab, Shaheen(as a psl batsmen), azam Khan, Usama mir, Nawaz are psl superstars, However they have frequently failed on the big stage and have caused more damage to pakistan cricket.

I was frankly getting sick and tired of Babar azam's team frequently supporting these rubbish passengers who Botched and lost games for pakistan cricket, solely due to the fact that all selections for test, odi and t20 were being made based of PSL

However the moment pakistan prioritised domestics + fc cricket players, the team has been headed in an upward trajectory in odi + test. T20 format is weak atm

Saim Ayub: 45 avg 106 sr in List A, 40 avg 65 sr in fc

Noman and Sajid: Nearly 800 fc eickets shared between these 2 at healthy eco rates and avg

Kamran ghulam: Freqent scorer and chart topper in fc and List A tournaments for pakistan with nearly 60 fc games inder his belt.

So on and so forth. Khawaja nafay is another talent eho seems to be prioritising donestics atm.

can we please now move on from players who are just franchise bullies and achieve nothing in internationals? Half of these guys barely play cricket to begin with? Like Abdullah 7 List A games before being made a world cup opener lol.

 

[mominsaigol]

All players who have played multiple fc games + List A games end up becoming solid finds for pakistan whereas league bullies end up being useless.

Usama mir
Azam Khan
Shadab Khan
Shaheen Shah afrid at no 3 in psl
Mohammad ali

And many more who have played for pakistan. Utterly useless.

Usman khan is quickly reaching this list. Lack of fc is showing.

 

[kingusama92]

100% agree.

They need to back these players and don't be afraid to keep moving forward with the strategy if one player is a dud. You can never hit on 100% of your selections.

In the past, they would experiment with one guy, give him a few chances, and then revert to has-beens because of their name or past performances. It creates a system where the new players get nervous and the has-beens think it's their God-given right to have a spot in the squad.

This is something I have always said is important and it applies to all formats.

 

[ExpressPacer]

FZ got his chance thru PSL.

 

[zarak]

All players who have played multiple fc games + List A games end up becoming solid finds for pakistan whereas league bullies end up being useless.

Usama mir
Azam Khan
Shadab Khan
Shaheen Shah afrid at no 3 in psl
Mohammad ali

And many more who have played for pakistan. Utterly useless.

Usman khan is quickly reaching this list. Lack of fc is showing.

Mohammad Ali is a strong domestic performer. Consistently topping charts

 

[zarak]

FZ got his chance thru PSL.

Nope FZ had a 50 plus list a average

 

[mrtaim3]

FZ got his chance thru PSL.

No fakhar was a top scorer in one of the domestic odi/t20 tournaments in 2014-16 i believe. I saw him live in one of the domestic matches and he was the best batsman in the his team.

 

[mesmerizer85]

Those decisons to select domestic performers like Saim,KG,etc are bearing fruit as we can see from teams performance in AUS and SA. It all started with the England test series

 

[mesmerizer85]

To a great extent captaincy change has also worked. In T20is we need to rest Haris as he leaks runs and need FZ and/or Samad in place of Babar/Rizwan.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Domestic performers are proving why they should have been on the team. Kamran played a blinder of an inning. Brilliant. Irfan was also looking pretty good TBH but the situation demanded hit on each ball so I am ok with him also. Salman ali agha (WOW) He was batting well but got unlucky.

 

[sweep_shot]

We have seen countless upon countless times that only domestic performers who prioritise FC cricket + List A over nonsense PSL leagues end up becoming solid players for pakistan.

For example it is well known that players like shadab, Shaheen(as a psl batsmen), azam Khan, Usama mir, Nawaz are psl superstars, However they have frequently failed on the big stage and have caused more damage to pakistan cricket.

I was frankly getting sick and tired of Babar azam's team frequently supporting these rubbish passengers who Botched and lost games for pakistan cricket, solely due to the fact that all selections for test, odi and t20 were being made based of PSL

However the moment pakistan prioritised domestics + fc cricket players, the team has been headed in an upward trajectory in odi + test. T20 format is weak atm

Saim Ayub: 45 avg 106 sr in List A, 40 avg 65 sr in fc

Noman and Sajid: Nearly 800 fc eickets shared between these 2 at healthy eco rates and avg

Kamran ghulam: Freqent scorer and chart topper in fc and List A tournaments for pakistan with nearly 60 fc games inder his belt.

So on and so forth. Khawaja nafay is another talent eho seems to be prioritising donestics atm.

can we please now move on from players who are just franchise bullies and achieve nothing in internationals? Half of these guys barely play cricket to begin with? Like Abdullah 7 List A games before being made a world cup opener lol.

Agree.

PSL shouldn't be used to select players. FC and List A performances should be used for selections.

 

[mominsaigol]

FZ got his chance thru PSL.

Was still avg 50 with 90SR in List A and had a double century in fc before psl

 

[mominsaigol]

Domestic performers are proving why they should have been on the team. Kamran played a blinder of an inning. Brilliant. Irfan was also looking pretty good TBH but the situation demanded hit on each ball so I am ok with him also. Salman ali agha (WOW) He was batting well but got unlucky.

Its pub's fault.

They selected Abdullah to become a wc opener after 7 List A games .

Then selected Azam Khan and Usman Khan even though both of them have never played fc in their life. In the case of azam, Barely any List A. Just a psl basher where shaheen bullies at no 3 as well.

Shaheen as a no 8 batsmen due to psl exploits

Shadab Khan due to psl exploits.

Imad due to psl exploits. I like imad, but his career went downhill when he stopped caring about odi and t20, never bothered with fc either.

Don't get me wrong their are some exceptions, Like chacha is a domestic performer and so is Imam, not every donestic performer will be successful

But a domestic performer will have chances of being succesful while a sole t20 bully like azam Khan will never be successful

 

[Marooned]

Mohammad Ali is a strong domestic performer. Consistently topping charts

Much better bowler than abbas hamza and khurram. He should've been in squad for south Africa tests.

 

[zarak]

Much better bowler than abbas hamza and khurram. He should've been in squad for south Africa tests.

Don't know about Khurram he has also had a phenomenal last two seasons.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Much better bowler than abbas hamza and khurram. He should've been in squad for south Africa tests.

Mohammad Ali is not better than Khurram

 

[Muhammad Saad]

It's all due to underprepared wickets and substandard balls being used at the domestic level , the batters bat with a surviving mentality due to these pitches and never develop aggressive approach required in International cricket plus if they fail in 2 or 3 domestic games they are replaced by another player so they start playing even more cautiously in order to preserve their spot in the playing XI moreover due to these pitches the bowlers are never really tested and they just put ball on the pitch and get wickets for fun and they never really tries to bowl fast or bowl marathon spells in 4 day cricket because the matches finishes inside 3 days and spinners are not really required at all because the pitch is heavily favored for pace bowlers and as a result they never allowed to bowl any overs or get wickets and develop their game

One would assume that batter would develop good technique playing on these underprepared wickets so the answer is YES they do develop good surviving technique against side ways movement on low bounce wickets in Pakistan so once they go to SENA and play on bouncy surface they get expose again because they had never played on such pitches in Pakistan plus their mentality is all about surviving instead of attacking and as a result they never tries to attack even on batting wickets because of alien bounce they witness in SENA.

The solution would be to produce bouncy but well prepared supporting pitches just like Champions Cup pitches and kookaburra ball in domestic cricket and tell the batters to bat at specific strike rate if he wants to preserve his spot in the domestic team

I was continuously saying that PCB should make fast bowling surfaces in CT so that our batters with timid mentality can feel at home and get to 240-260 runs which they are capable of but at the same time provide plenty of assistance to our pace bowlers to restrict the opposing teams below 240 score but it looks like no one in the current management can see the blind truth.

 

[Xoib]

Domestic talent is good enough it’s the failure of the system as well as individuals to keep evolving to get better instead of regressing

A young Shaheen, Naseem or Babar were as good as any young talent in the world but the stardom got them distracted they got lazy got involved in politics and lost focus hence they are in this state in an ideal world they would be entering peak years and Pakistan would be in a good place for the next 4-5 years but it happened otherwise sadly

 

[BouncerGuy]

Wasim Akram speaking during an interview:

“We have been backing these players for the last few years but they are not learning nor improving.”

“It is time for a major shake-up. We need to improve our system of domestic cricket so that we can produce quality cricketers, not ordinary ones.”

 

[mominsaigol]

Wasim Akram speaking during an interview:

“We have been backing these players for the last few years but they are not learning nor improving.”

“It is time for a major shake-up. We need to improve our system of domestic cricket so that we can produce quality cricketers, not ordinary ones.”

Quality cricketers won't be produced if the culture promotes stat padders. Outliers like saim and fakhar won't show up every day