Bangladesh’s GDP per person is now higher than Pakistan’s

[the Great Khan]

I will also add that it’s shameful we are making excuses for our low GDP by pointing at black money rather than accepting that we as a nation have been stupid enough to vote the Bhuttos and Sharifs into power back to back all the way since ZA Bhutto in 1971. Aside from the military rule we haven’t had any other government since then.

If anyone is to blame, it is the people giving some of the most shamelessly corrupt people in the world multiple terms... you’d think we as a nation would learn. But sadly, no.

this.

We are so far behind when it comes to electing good leaders. IK is the first proper political leader we have elected in years.

On a note for Bangladesh im really happy for them. I hope they get even more prosperous. i still see bangladesh as very close brothers of ours as we have soo much shared history that we just cant ignore this. The govt of Pakistan really needs to take some major steps to heal the wounds of 71 and forge a proper family friendship with our brothers from bangladesh..I mean we call china iron brothers but sometimes forget the bonds of blood we have forged with bangladesh..

I dont see it as a competition really. Pakistan has many factors it has to consider and as long as we get prosperous in our own way and time that is fine for us. I'm tired of seeing Muslim countries falling by the way side so its good to see Bangladesh finally getting somewhere. In the long term it is beneficial to us.

IK needs to get together with hasina and start a reconciliation process and then forge deep economic ties. Hasina is the one to make peace with as if you can crack that nut you can crack any nut.

 

[Bhaijaan]

In the longer run, I assume Pakistan is destined to go past Bangladesh. They are more diverse and have more resources.

Try is is a good little competition however and it must drive us rather than comparing our weapons and stuff. Let's compare economies, how happy the people are , how much the average worker is getting paid, that's what we must be debating aggressively

 

[desirous of desire]

this.

We are so far behind when it comes to electing good leaders. IK is the first proper political leader we have elected in years.

On a note for Bangladesh im really happy for them. I hope they get even more prosperous. i still see bangladesh as very close brothers of ours as we have soo much shared history that we just cant ignore this. The govt of Pakistan really needs to take some major steps to heal the wounds of 71 and forge a proper family friendship with our brothers from bangladesh..I mean we call china iron brothers but sometimes forget the bonds of blood we have forged with bangladesh..

I dont see it as a competition really. Pakistan has many factors it has to consider and as long as we get prosperous in our own way and time that is fine for us. I'm tired of seeing Muslim countries falling by the way side so its good to see Bangladesh finally getting somewhere. In the long term it is beneficial to us.

IK needs to get together with hasina and start a reconciliation process and then forge deep economic ties. Hasina is the one to make peace with as if you can crack that nut you can crack any nut.

Hum keh thehre ajnabi itni madaaraton ke baad
Phir banenge aashnaa kitni mulaaqaaton ke baad

Kab nazar mein aayegi be-daag sabze ki bahaar
Khoon ke dhabbe dhulenge kitni barsaaton ke baad

Thay bahut bedard lamhe khatm-e-dard-e-ishq ke
Thin buhat bemehar subhein meharbaan raaton ke baad

Dil to chaahaa par shikast-e-dil ne moh’lat hi na di
Kuch gile-shikwe bhi kar lete munajaton ke baad

Unse jo kehne gaye the Faiz jaan sadqaa kiye
Ankahee hi rah gayi wo baat sab baaton ke baad

(Faiz Ahmad Faiz)

 

[Yossarian]

I think both are similar in terms of living conditions. Both are third world.

However, I feel that Pakistan has more challenges than Bangladesh. Both Bangladesh and Pakistan have to deal with poverty but Pakistan has additional issues like Balochistan issue, Kashmir issue, higher national debt etc.

I mentioned on another thread that USA's war on terror has harmed Pakistan. Bangladesh thankfully didn't have to deal with any such conflict.

The various issues affecting the economy, eg terrorism, corruption etc. is being discussed by virtually every poster in this thread.
However, the question posed was very simple.
If forced to choose, which one would you live in, Pakistan or Bangladesh?

It would be interesting to see how many would choose Pakistan over Bangladesh (or vice versa) despite everything being said about terrorism, the economy, corruption etc. in Pakistan.

 

[Yossarian]

Based on the economic trajectory of the two countries from the economic data, I would obviously choose Bangladesh.

Also, I would definitely choose not to live in some parts of Pakistan where boys and girls may be burnt alive for the crime of singing. To the best of my knowledge, such barbarism doesn't exist in Bangladesh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Kohistan_video_case

So you will choose Bangladesh over Pakistan. Fine. You've answered the question. As for your justification of your answer, of course if you feel the quality of your life will be affected by the issue you mentioned, that again is perfectly understandable.

 

[the Great Khan]

The various issues affecting the economy, eg terrorism, corruption etc. is being discussed by virtually every poster in this thread.
However, the question posed was very simple.
If forced to choose, which one would you live in, Pakistan or Bangladesh?

It would be interesting to see how many would choose Pakistan over Bangladesh (or vice versa) despite everything being said about terrorism, the economy, corruption etc. in Pakistan.

Pakistan. Easy answer. Even for all its faults, Pakistan ki baat kuch aur hay..

 

[irfan]

unless you have lived in both countries how can you realistically make a choice, naturally being Pakistani origin I would choose Pakistan. I only have seen photos and short films of Dhaka, which I presume is the most developed city, but both Lahore & Islamabad look far more developed, not sure about Karachi. Pakistan has a much more varied landscape & desolate so you can get away from hustle & bustle of city life, whereas BD as much smaller country seems overcrowded.

 

[Kroll]

Putting everything else aside. The fact that BD's language script is similar to India's is a big no no for me.

 

[liam26]

As a Neutral ( Indian), I would feel more comfortable visiting Dhaka than say Peshawar or any other city in Pakistan where there is a looming threat of being abducted by Islamic millitants or a terrorist attack happening.

Bangaldesh is still a very safe and cool place compared to anywhere in either Pakistan or Afghanistan.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

As a Neutral ( Indian), I would feel more comfortable visiting Dhaka than say Peshawar or any other city in Pakistan where there is a looming threat of being abducted by Islamic millitants or a terrorist attack happening.

Bangaldesh is still a very safe and cool place compared to anywhere in either Pakistan or Afghanistan.

It's basically Bengal

 

[Asifnow]

As a Neutral ( Indian), I would feel more comfortable visiting Dhaka than say Peshawar or any other city in Pakistan where there is a looming threat of being abducted by Islamic millitants or a terrorist attack happening.

Bangaldesh is still a very safe and cool place compared to anywhere in either Pakistan or Afghanistan.

Oh you're Indian and you are talking about terrorism? Why don't you move to Bangladesh?

According to the global terror index 2019, India is ranked within the same range as Pakistan, but both are far higher and thus more dangerous, than Bangladesh. Might be better for you to live in Sylhat

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The various issues affecting the economy, eg terrorism, corruption etc. is being discussed by virtually every poster in this thread.
However, the question posed was very simple.
If forced to choose, which one would you live in, Pakistan or Bangladesh?

It would be interesting to see how many would choose Pakistan over Bangladesh (or vice versa) despite everything being said about terrorism, the economy, corruption etc. in Pakistan.

I would obviously choose Pakistan, I have been there recently, and was quite impressed at how fast it is moving in the bigger cities. If I wanted to give a stupid answer like Napa, I would say I far prefer to live there than India where even being an MP who served his country well, was no shield when the mobs came to chop him to pieces as was the case with poor Ehsan Jafri:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehsan_Jafri

I don't want to make a similar comparison to Bangladesh as no BD poster has done so.

 

[hamid.s]

would you live in either Pak or BD is irrelevant. A Bangladeshi will of course choose BD and Pakistani would choose Pakistan. That's a no brainer. It's not like the choices are between BD and Sweden or Pak and Canada.

Pak is more diverse in both demographics and landscape. Unfortunately, BD is not. It has a very homogeneous population (which can also be positive as less civil conflicts) and is a delta with more rivers/ocean and some small mountain ranges in the East. Our advantage is the extremely fertile landscape but climate change poses a risk there.

I have never been to Pak so can't compare BD cities with any of the Pak cities. Dhaka is the most developed and the most crowded city in the country. I was born and raised there and I love it to its core. But it is a mess. It used to a big Mughal outpost (former name Murshidabad) ruled by the Dhaka Nawab family. It grew rapidly after the partition and then exploded after 1971. The infrastructure is just not capable to sustain more than 12 million people (unofficial estimate). The goal was to create a planned satellite city (like Islamabad) but that never came to fruition. Gov't built many flyovers with few others in construction and the elevated subway is close to completion. Hope is that will release some congestion but an outsider may find it extremely difficult city to live in.

Finally, its not a competition about whose GDP is better. All the countries in subcontinent should improve. A collective improvement leads to greater prosperity. If Pak improves and starts trading with BD more, then guess who does it benefit? Both countries.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

You seriously think corruption is a really big issue?

I would mostly blame political instability

Where does political instability come from, you think? The single greatest period of political instability in Pakistan was during the 1990s. This also coincided with our economy crashing.

Why was there instability in the 90s? The answer will tell you what I think

 

[Local.Dada]

Where does political instability come from, you think? The single greatest period of political instability in Pakistan was during the 1990s. This also coincided with our economy crashing.

Why was there instability in the 90s? The answer will tell you what I think

Corruption is usually a lame excuse. Do you know how much corruption happens in large corporations?

Let me give you a more relevant example as this is a cricket forum

Do you think there is no corruption or greed with the BCCI?

Despite being corrupt every single player is taken care of. Even if you play 1 domestic game for some weak team, you get a pension and your life is set.

Now when it comes to corruption both BCCI and PCB have skeletons in their closet.

However it all boils down to competency that’s the keyword. BCCI sees the bigger picture, how to become powerful and earn more money which is the greed aspect but it is competent enough to take care of it’s employees.

That is no different from any sector.

Yes in a perfect world corruption shouldn’t exist and it is a crime, however corruption is not the only start and end for every problem.

 

[Bigboii]

Where does political instability come from, you think? The single greatest period of political instability in Pakistan was during the 1990s. This also coincided with our economy crashing.

Why was there instability in the 90s? The answer will tell you what I think

China corrupt ah, India corrupt ah, Bangladesh is extremely corrupt all killing it

The answer was imo army removing politicians after politicians after only a couple of years and like everyone in the world politicians were power Hungary and they tagged along

 

[ahsan17]

As a Neutral ( Indian), I would feel more comfortable visiting Dhaka than say Peshawar or any other city in Pakistan where there is a looming threat of being abducted by Islamic millitants or a terrorist attack happening.

Bangaldesh is still a very safe and cool place compared to anywhere in either Pakistan or Afghanistan.

Sir Liam, the year 2010 calls you. It wants you back. Maybe you can use a time machine to travel back to those years.

This first sentence is an oxymoron anyway. An indian cannot be neutral about Pakistan, at least not the vast majority of them. Certainly not you, based on your posting history.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Corruption is usually a lame excuse. Do you know how much corruption happens in large corporations?

Let me give you a more relevant example as this is a cricket forum

Do you think there is no corruption or greed with the BCCI?

Despite being corrupt every single player is taken care of. Even if you play 1 domestic game for some weak team, you get a pension and your life is set.

Now when it comes to corruption both BCCI and PCB have skeletons in their closet.

However it all boils down to competency that’s the keyword. BCCI sees the bigger picture, how to become powerful and earn more money which is the greed aspect but it is competent enough to take care of it’s employees.

That is no different from any sector.

Yes in a perfect world corruption shouldn’t exist and it is a crime, however corruption is not the only start and end for every problem.

What are you talking about haha. Let me broaden my terminology. Corruption coupled with incompetency. It’s fine if BCCI and India and China are corrupt but competent. Sharif and Bhutto were not. The 90s was the downfall of Pakistan’s economy.

 

[Bigboii]

What are you talking about haha. Let me broaden my terminology. Corruption coupled with incompetency. It’s fine if BCCI and India and China are corrupt but competent. Sharif and Bhutto were not. The 90s was the downfall of Pakistan’s economy.

Nope it was mostly political instability even though they were not the most comptent bunch

But 70s was bad due to nationalization I'll give you that

 

[Thunderbolt14]

China corrupt ah, India corrupt ah, Bangladesh is extremely corrupt all killing it

The answer was imo army removing politicians after politicians after only a couple of years and like everyone in the world politicians were power Hungary and they tagged along

Are you serious? Do an economic investigation of Pakistan’s GDP, exports/imports, poverty levels, and foreign exchange reserves. Compares 60s vs 70s, compare 80s vs 70s, compare 90s vs 80s, and 00s vs 90s.

I am no fan of dictatorship, trust me, but the biggest ever hits to Pakistan’s economy in our history have been ZAB’s nationalization of industry/interference in the free market followed by Pakistan’s most politically unstable time period (moreso than any period of dictatorship) in the 90s as Benazir and Nawaz jostled for power, trying to control the political mafia, buying votes, and burying their corruption scandals one after another.

These were the reasons for the crashing economy. In third place comes Zia ul Haq’s failure to get the economy going again after Bhutto destroyed it. The 80s saw the economy do well again as a result of foreign aid from the US as a reward for the Afghanistan war. But the macroeconomic issues created by Bhutto were never really solved, rather papered over with the foreign aid. When the war ended by 1989 and the billions of dollars of aid inflow stopped, suddenly Pakistan was back in its state from 1977 that Bhutto had left it in.

Rather than solving these macroeconomic issues, we had idiots like Benazir and Nawaz who were more concerned about coming to power. They looked very good and we kept re electing them like absolute fools, unable to take a hint from their back to back corruption scandals. Nevermind that Benazir’s husband had already developed a nickname for himself in “Mr 10 Percent” or that the Sharifs were clearly smuggling money abroad to Saudi Arabia. By the time Musharraf seized power, Pakistan had already collapsed.

So in the end, the responsibility is on us for our fantastic democratic choices. I would highly encourage you to investigate a history of Pakistan’s economy. Maybe I’ll find a good article and send it over.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

All this being said, it is incorrect to blame the army more than the Bhutto and Sharif mafias. I agree that the military has done harm too, but they are secondary factors, not the primary factor.

 

[Yossarian]

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The purpose of the question as to whether Pakistan or Bangladesh is where you would live (not just visit), if you were forced to choose between one or the other, was to get past the chest thumping of GDP, terrorism, corruption etc, and bring it down to which of the two is where you personally would prefer to live in, work in, socialise in.

And in order to rule out the headline grabbing rhetoric that abounds in the media, lets also add that you will be able to choose the city, province, region or locality, in the country of your choice. ie Don't look at the country as a whole, but be able to find/choose a part of the country that addresses your needs and desires in terms of safety, security, job prospects, education, entertainment or whatever else you feel is important for your quality of life..

 

[Napa]

All this being said, it is incorrect to blame the army more than the Bhutto and Sharif mafias. I agree that the military has done harm too, but they are secondary factors, not the primary factor.

When you have a democracy, initially the politicians are often corrupt. After a few rounds of change of the leaders by the people the situation starts to improve. The people start voting for politicians who deliver for them and start ignoring other politicians who are corrupt and who don't deliver.

The problem with Pakistan is that this culture of democracy has never developed due to civilian governments being constantly replaced by the Army or being chosen by the Army. It took India about 45 years of almost uninterrupted democracy to get to Narsimha Rao who began the process of development of the Indian economy free from killer socialism. Forget 45 years, probably the only time the Pakistani civilian government has not been subservient to the Army was a couple of years of NS.

 

[Napa]

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The purpose of the question as to whether Pakistan or Bangladesh is where you would live (not just visit), if you were forced to choose between one or the other, was to get past the chest thumping of GDP, terrorism, corruption etc, and bring it down to which of the two is where you personally would prefer to live in, work in, socialise in.

And in order to rule out the headline grabbing rhetoric that abounds in the media, lets also add that you will be able to choose the city, province, region or locality, in the country of your choice. ie Don't look at the country as a whole, but be able to find/choose a part of the country that addresses your needs and desires in terms of safety, security, job prospects, education, entertainment or whatever else you feel is important for your quality of life..

Your list "safety, security, job prospects, education, entertainment" requires further explanation.

Suppose I was an Army general who was not too bothered about how my actions were affecting my country, then I would prefer to live in Islamabad with its wide roads and gorgeous views of the mountains. I would have multiple servants, luxurious accommodation, in the evenings drink my rum and eat kababs.

Suppose instead I was someone, who as a 17-year old was excited by the world of knowledge, and chose to study a modern subject like computer engineering instead of joining the Army officers' training institute. Then where would I stay? Probably not in Islamabad where as a 35-year old I would see generals in their flag flying convoys, while I rotted in a government job reporting to unqualified bureaucrats (possibly retired Army officers). I may do better in Bangladesh where there is investment from the West, and the people making those investments respect and reward capable technocrats.

 

[Yossarian]

Your list "safety, security, job prospects, education, entertainment" requires further explanation.

Suppose I was an Army general who was not too bothered about how my actions were affecting my country, then I would prefer to live in Islamabad with its wide roads and gorgeous views of the mountains. I would have multiple servants, luxurious accommodation, in the evenings drink my rum and eat kababs.

Suppose instead I was someone, who as a 17-year old was excited by the world of knowledge, and chose to study a modern subject like computer engineering instead of joining the Army officers' training institute. Then where would I stay? Probably not in Islamabad where as a 35-year old I would see generals in their flag flying convoys, while I rotted in a government job reporting to unqualified bureaucrats (possibly retired Army officers). I may do better in Bangladesh where there is investment from the West, and the people making those investments respect and reward capable technocrats.

Well, I'm assuming that you're neither an Army General, nor a 17 year old studying computer engineering. And Islamabad is not the only city in the country.
So if you believe you would have more opportunities to find a job, in a part of the country you will enjoy living and working in, with sufficient entertainment, socialising opportunities, sports, culture, travelling etc that meets your needs and desires, and that country would be Bangladesh over Pakistan, then fine, I respect your choice.

 

[hamid.s]

[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION], [MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION], [MENTION=632]irfan[/MENTION], [MENTION=143714]Kroll[/MENTION], [MENTION=151783]liam26[/MENTION], [MENTION=39031]SpiritOf1903[/MENTION], [MENTION=152140]Asifnow[/MENTION], [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION], [MENTION=2984]ahsan17[/MENTION], [MENTION=151383]Local.Dada[/MENTION], @ Thunderbolt14, [MENTION=151956]Bigboii[/MENTION], [MENTION=138692]hamid.s[/MENTION], @ the Great Khan

The purpose of the question as to whether Pakistan or Bangladesh is where you would live (not just visit), if you were forced to choose between one or the other, was to get past the chest thumping of GDP, terrorism, corruption etc, and bring it down to which of the two is where you personally would prefer to live in, work in, socialise in.

And in order to rule out the headline grabbing rhetoric that abounds in the media, lets also add that you will be able to choose the city, province, region or locality, in the country of your choice. ie Don't look at the country as a whole, but be able to find/choose a part of the country that addresses your needs and desires in terms of safety, security, job prospects, education, entertainment or whatever else you feel is important for your quality of life..

I have never lived in Pak and so can't answer your question honestly. But if everything else is constant, I would be choose to live with my own family and people. So a Bangladeshi would choose BD and Pakistani would choose Pak.

It also matters with one's particular preference and ambition in life. BD may be suitable for certain people whereas Pak will be better for others. It all comes down to personal choice. There is no right or wrong answer here.

 

[Yossarian]

I have never lived in Pak and so can't answer your question honestly. But if everything else is constant, I would be choose to live with my own family and people. So a Bangladeshi would choose BD and Pakistani would choose Pak.

It also matters with one's particular preference and ambition in life. BD may be suitable for certain people whereas Pak will be better for others. It all comes down to personal choice. There is no right or wrong answer here.

True. Hence my attempt at getting away from the chest thumping rhetoric of this country has more ducks than that country, and that country has more donkeys per capita than this country.

The worlds most richest and powerful country has neighbourhoods in some cities where, due to drugs, crime, murders, gang warfare etc the life expectancy is at least as bad, if not worse, than some of the worst cities in India, Pakistan or Bangladesh. But would most people in India, Pakistan or Bangladesh, or even on this forum, refuse a USA immigration visa/green card if somehow they were offered one?

 

[Buffet]

True. Hence my attempt at getting away from the chest thumping rhetoric of this country has more ducks than that country, and that country has more donkeys per capita than this country.

The worlds most richest and powerful country has neighbourhoods in some cities where, due to drugs, crime, murders, gang warfare etc the life expectancy is at least as bad, if not worse, than some of the worst cities in India, Pakistan or Bangladesh. But would most people in India, Pakistan or Bangladesh, or even on this forum, refuse a USA immigration visa/green card if somehow they were offered one?

Probably not and precisly due to country having more ducks and more donkeys per capita. When donkey per capita is 1.2 vs 1.4, it's harder to pick. But when it's 1.2 vs 20 then it's an easy decision.

Donkey per capita may not be 100% perfect, but it's far better than most measures in seeing a country position and it makes even more sense if trend of per capita is clear as well.

 

[Buffet]

All this being said, it is incorrect to blame the army more than the Bhutto and Sharif mafias. I agree that the military has done harm too, but they are secondary factors, not the primary factor.

No civilian government had full power to shape Pakistan's direction and if there was any time a big conflict they they were quickly replaced by coup or indirectly army pulling the string. Army highjacked the country and narrative. Cushy life and sucking all resource, no need to to give it up.

 

[Lonewarrior]

No civilian government had full power to shape Pakistan's direction and if there was any time a big conflict they they were quickly replaced by coup or indirectly army pulling the string. Army highjacked the country and narrative. Cushy life and sucking all resource, no need to to give it up.

mi lord, i hope next time when india decide to attack Pakistan over Kashmir (The British mess) issue, thn i hope the UK govt will send thier Army and Airforce to defend Pakistan .....
so we wont need Pak Army thn .....

 

[Buffet]

mi lord, i hope next time when india decide to attack Pakistan over Kashmir (The British mess) issue, thn i hope the UK govt will send thier Army and Airforce to defend Pakistan .....
so we wont need Pak Army thn .....

If India attack Pakistan over Kashmir then India would be in a huge trouble.

Also, army doesn't need to be a dictator to do it's job.

 

[sshakir411]

Irrelevant comparison. Pakistan death with 2 major wars at its border with the Soviet war and then war on terrorism. Bangladesh hasn’t face anything similar and probably could never. Good for Bangladesh but this comparison makes no sense

 

[Bigboii]

If India attack Pakistan over Kashmir then India would be in a huge trouble.

Also, army doesn't need to be a dictator to do it's job.

Exactly we don't need tham to control our lives in order to protect us

If they only stay at the borders than I love em if they go and do kidnappings, tortures than that's where the love ends

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

There are over 100 countries with higher per capita GDP than Pakistan. Why is it it a big deal if Bangladesh is also ahead?

 

[Bigboii]

There are over 100 countries with higher per capita GDP than Pakistan. Why is it it a big deal if Bangladesh is also ahead?

Cause of our history and they were poor under us know they are kicking it so we have regressed that was the point, I think it's a thread where we self reflect

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Cause of our history and they were poor under us know they are kicking it so we have regressed that was the point, I think it's a thread where we self reflect

If we want to self reflect, S Korea at one point copied an economic plan from Pakistan. And see where they are, and where Pakistan is today. I wish Bangladesh all the best, but they are still too reliant on textiles, and there are other countries that Pakistan should try to emulate.

 

[MenInG]

Bilateral trade between Pakistan and Bangladesh is growing at a rapid pace and it will cross the $1 billion mark by the yearend, Bangladesh High Commissioner Ruhul Alam Siddique said.

Addressing the business community at the Faisalabad Chamber of Commerce and Industry (FCCI) on Thursday, he said that Pakistan was very important for Bangladesh in terms of trade and the two countries must supplement and complement each other, instead of becoming competitors.

“There is enormous trade potential between the two countries and we must harness our skills and capabilities for the benefit of each other,” Siddique said.

The envoy expressed Bangladesh’s intention to cooperate with Pakistan in the fields of food processing, dairy and textile, citing that Bangladesh did not produce even a single bale of cotton, “but we are second in garment exports after China”.

He pointed out that a large number of Pakistanis were working in Bangladesh, but his country still needed skilled manpower for its textile sector.

“Bangladesh’s development is directly linked with the progress of the region and all regional states must concentrate on reactivating Saarc (South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation) and Safta (South Asian Free Trade Area). Furthermore, Bangladesh has signed only one free trade agreement (FTA),” he said.

“We have some problems in signing FTA with Pakistan, but we must make collaborative efforts to overcome the emerging challenges,” Siddique stressed, adding that he had good relations with the business community of Karachi and now he would develop similar linkages with the business circles of Punjab.

Earlier, FCCI President Atif Munir Sheikh said that in 2021, Pakistan’s exports to Bangladesh were valued at $815.6 million.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2364167/pakistan-bangladesh-trade-to-cross-1b

 

[finalfantasy7]

Bilateral trade between Pakistan and Bangladesh is growing at a rapid pace and it will cross the $1 billion mark by the yearend, Bangladesh High Commissioner Ruhul Alam Siddique said.

Addressing the business community at the Faisalabad Chamber of Commerce and Industry (FCCI) on Thursday, he said that Pakistan was very important for Bangladesh in terms of trade and the two countries must supplement and complement each other, instead of becoming competitors.

“There is enormous trade potential between the two countries and we must harness our skills and capabilities for the benefit of each other,” Siddique said.

The envoy expressed Bangladesh’s intention to cooperate with Pakistan in the fields of food processing, dairy and textile, citing that Bangladesh did not produce even a single bale of cotton, “but we are second in garment exports after China”.

He pointed out that a large number of Pakistanis were working in Bangladesh, but his country still needed skilled manpower for its textile sector.

“Bangladesh’s development is directly linked with the progress of the region and all regional states must concentrate on reactivating Saarc (South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation) and Safta (South Asian Free Trade Area). Furthermore, Bangladesh has signed only one free trade agreement (FTA),” he said.

“We have some problems in signing FTA with Pakistan, but we must make collaborative efforts to overcome the emerging challenges,” Siddique stressed, adding that he had good relations with the business community of Karachi and now he would develop similar linkages with the business circles of Punjab.

Earlier, FCCI President Atif Munir Sheikh said that in 2021, Pakistan’s exports to Bangladesh were valued at $815.6 million.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2364167/pakistan-bangladesh-trade-to-cross-1b

good news, what do the two countries trade with each other - which comodities?

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Bangladesh seeks IMF support to head off financial crisis

Economists say the Bangladeshi taka has effectively slid against the U.S. dollar by around 20% in the past three months
Bangladesh has asked the International Monetary Fund (IMF) for support in riding out a financial shock triggered by volatile energy prices after the Russian invasion of Ukraine, officials said July 26.

The South Asian nation has experienced lengthy blackouts in recent weeks, sometimes for up to 13 hours a day, as utilities struggle to source enough diesel and gas to meet demand.

Tens of thousands of mosques around the country have been asked to curtail their use of air conditioners to ease pressure on the electricity grid, with power shortfalls compounded by a depreciating currency and dwindling foreign exchange reserves.

A senior finance ministry official, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed to AFP that Dhaka had sought an IMF credit line, without disclosing the amount.

Local newspaper the Daily Star reported that Bangladesh was seeking $4.5 billion dollars from the Washington-based lender following a recent visit to the country by its representatives.

Authorities were grappling with a "crisis" because of rising international fuel prices after the Russian attack on Ukraine, junior planning minister Shamsul Alam told AFP.

"Our balance of payments is in the negative zone. We need to stabilise our exchange rate," he said.

Economists say the Bangladeshi taka has effectively slid against the U.S. dollar by around 20% in the past three months.

The depreciation of the local currency has further weakened the nation's finances, with the current account deficit hitting $17 billion.

Mr. Alam said the government had rolled out "austerity measures" in addition to electricity rationing, including import curbs and cuts to development spending.

Diesel power plants across the country, accounting for 1,500 megawatts of generation capacity, have been taken off the grid, while some gas-fired plants are also idle.

Bangladesh's precarious financial position has been compounded by unprecedented floods in the northeast, inundating the homes of more than seven million people and causing nearly $10 billion in damage, according to government estimates.

The opposition Bangladesh Nationalist Party has blamed the government for the crisis, accusing it of squandering cash on multibillion-dollar vanity projects.

Several South Asian nations are struggling with galloping inflation and deteriorating public finances triggered by global economic headwinds.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...head-off-financial-crisis/article65686517.ece

 

[sweep_shot]

Economists say the Bangladeshi taka has effectively slid against the U.S. dollar by around 20% in the past three months
Bangladesh has asked the International Monetary Fund (IMF) for support in riding out a financial shock triggered by volatile energy prices after the Russian invasion of Ukraine, officials said July 26.

The South Asian nation has experienced lengthy blackouts in recent weeks, sometimes for up to 13 hours a day, as utilities struggle to source enough diesel and gas to meet demand.

Tens of thousands of mosques around the country have been asked to curtail their use of air conditioners to ease pressure on the electricity grid, with power shortfalls compounded by a depreciating currency and dwindling foreign exchange reserves.

A senior finance ministry official, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed to AFP that Dhaka had sought an IMF credit line, without disclosing the amount.

Local newspaper the Daily Star reported that Bangladesh was seeking $4.5 billion dollars from the Washington-based lender following a recent visit to the country by its representatives.

Authorities were grappling with a "crisis" because of rising international fuel prices after the Russian attack on Ukraine, junior planning minister Shamsul Alam told AFP.

"Our balance of payments is in the negative zone. We need to stabilise our exchange rate," he said.

Economists say the Bangladeshi taka has effectively slid against the U.S. dollar by around 20% in the past three months.

The depreciation of the local currency has further weakened the nation's finances, with the current account deficit hitting $17 billion.

Mr. Alam said the government had rolled out "austerity measures" in addition to electricity rationing, including import curbs and cuts to development spending.

Diesel power plants across the country, accounting for 1,500 megawatts of generation capacity, have been taken off the grid, while some gas-fired plants are also idle.

Bangladesh's precarious financial position has been compounded by unprecedented floods in the northeast, inundating the homes of more than seven million people and causing nearly $10 billion in damage, according to government estimates.

The opposition Bangladesh Nationalist Party has blamed the government for the crisis, accusing it of squandering cash on multibillion-dollar vanity projects.

Several South Asian nations are struggling with galloping inflation and deteriorating public finances triggered by global economic headwinds.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...head-off-financial-crisis/article65686517.ece

Yeah.

There are 2 reasons: 1) COVID, and 2) reckless spending.

Hasina government took on projects which were unnecessary and expensive; just to boost ego.

 

[Junaids]

Fascinating thread.

I just learned the following:

GDP per capita:
India $2543 (160th out of 216)
Bangladesh $2362 (162nd out of 216)
Pakistan $1562 (178th out of 216)

Literacy rate:
Bangladesh 76% (male 78%, female 74%)
India 74.3% (male 82%, female 66%)
Pakistan 59.1% (male 71.1%, female 46.5%)

Life expectancy at birth
Bangladesh 72.87 (male 71.13, female 74.89), rank 107, just above world average.
India 69.89 (male 68.68, female 71.20), rank 136.
Pakistan 67.43 (male 66.47, female 68.48), rank 148.

Infant mortality rate
Bangladesh 30.5 per 1,000 live births.
India 37.8
Pakistan 50.4

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So, in summary, Bangladesh is now slightly more advanced than India, with Pakistan trailing far behind both countries on every single measure.

 

[SportsWarrior]

Fascinating thread.

I just learned the following:

GDP per capita:
India $2543 (160th out of 216)
Bangladesh $2362 (162nd out of 216)
Pakistan $1562 (178th out of 216)

Literacy rate:
Bangladesh 76% (male 78%, female 74%)
India 74.3% (male 82%, female 66%)
Pakistan 59.1% (male 71.1%, female 46.5%)

Life expectancy at birth
Bangladesh 72.87 (male 71.13, female 74.89), rank 107, just above world average.
India 69.89 (male 68.68, female 71.20), rank 136.
Pakistan 67.43 (male 66.47, female 68.48), rank 148.

Infant mortality rate
Bangladesh 30.5 per 1,000 live births.
India 37.8
Pakistan 50.4

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So, in summary, Bangladesh is now slightly more advanced than India, with Pakistan trailing far behind both countries on every single measure.

India Infant mortality is 27 per 1000 birth, Bangladesh is 22 and Pak 56.. Also definition of literacy varies

 

[sweep_shot]

India Infant mortality is 27 per 1000 birth, Bangladesh is 22 and Pak 56.. Also definition of literacy varies

What is your definition of literacy?

 

[SportsWarrior]

As someone who has visited both the countries, Pak is way ahead in terms of actual wealth at the hands of citizens compared to BD. Pak cities and suburbs look much cleaner, well built and richer and BD looks like shabby everywhere. Like, it is not even fair to compare them level.

 

[sweep_shot]

As someone who has visited both the countries, Pak is way ahead in terms of actual wealth at the hands of citizens compared to BD. Pak cities and suburbs look much cleaner, well built and richer and BD looks like shabby everywhere. Like, it is not even fair to compare them level.

Which part of Bangladesh did you visit? LOL. Not all parts are same.

Pakistan obviously is a larger country than Bangladesh in terms of landmass. So, more space to build things.

 

[smkk]

Fascinating thread.

GDP per capita:
India $2543 (160th out of 216)
Bangladesh $2362 (162nd out of 216)
Pakistan $1562 (178th out of 216)

Slight correction, according to the latest world bank org data:

Pakistan - 1,537.9
India - 2,277.4
Bangladesh - 2,503.0
Sri Lanka - 3,814.7
Nepal - 1,222.9
Afghanistan - 516.7

(2021)

https://data.worldbank.org/?locations=PK-IN-BD-LK-NP-AF

 

[dildilpak]

Slight correction, according to the latest world bank org data:

Pakistan - 1,537.9
India - 2,277.4
Bangladesh - 2,503.0
Sri Lanka - 3,814.7
Nepal - 1,222.9
Afghanistan - 516.7

(2021)

https://data.worldbank.org/?locations=PK-IN-BD-LK-NP-AF

The high GDP is never an isolated value, you have to see it in relation to debt. Most projects in Bangladesh which result in its high GDP are highly levered & dependent on China funding, which means that Bangladesh too is in a debt trap. The country is levered to the hilt & its forex reserves are practically non-existent, which is why they need an IMF bailout. Not a good place to be in, irrespective of what that GDP number says.

 

[smkk]

The high GDP is never an isolated value, you have to see it in relation to debt. Most projects in Bangladesh which result in its high GDP are highly levered & dependent on China funding, which means that Bangladesh too is in a debt trap. The country is levered to the hilt & its forex reserves are practically non-existent, which is why they need an IMF bailout. Not a good place to be in, irrespective of what that GDP number says.

Bangladesh dept-to-GDP ratio is only at 31.7% in comparison to India and Pakistan at 73.9% and 88% respectively in 2020. This proves that Bangladesh is not in danger to fall in dept trap unless something goes really bad. As for China, recently Bangladesh completed its biggest infrastructure project of Padma bridge without any foreign loans.

Yes Bangladesh is taking taking loans from China, but not for all big projects and also with proper precaution and analysis. In fact Japans' investments in big project of Bangladesh are far more. We are more dependent on Japan rather on China for our big project loans.

For a small economic country like Bangladesh, the country's forex reserves surpassed the $48 billion mark in August last year, the highest ever in history, due to a slowdown in imports and rising remittance and export earnings during the Covid-19 pandemic.

I am not saying that Bangladesh have become economic power or something like that. But we are moving in right direction with small steps, resulting in record gdp growth, forex reserve and surplussed of foreign investment coming in then our economy can handle. These are all good news for Bangladesh.

 

[smkk]

The country is levered to the hilt & its forex reserves are practically non-existent, which is why they need an IMF bailout. Not a good place to be in, irrespective of what that GDP number says.

The reason Bangladesh have gone to IMF is because we are experiencing a power crisis due to ceasing imports from Russia due to Russia-Ukraine war, either nato allow us to import from Russia or divert us to another source with equal price. The crisis have not originated in Bangladesh, it is due to international affair.

 

[ahsan17]

Slight correction, according to the latest world bank org data:

Pakistan - 1,537.9
India - 2,277.4
Bangladesh - 2,503.0
Sri Lanka - 3,814.7
Nepal - 1,222.9
Afghanistan - 516.7

(2021)

https://data.worldbank.org/?locations=PK-IN-BD-LK-NP-AF

Not sure if Pakistan's numbers include the latest rebasing of the GDP?

 

[dildilpak]

The reason Bangladesh have gone to IMF is because we are experiencing a power crisis due to ceasing imports from Russia due to Russia-Ukraine war, either nato allow us to import from Russia or divert us to another source with equal price. The crisis have not originated in Bangladesh, it is due to international affair.

That is crap. Every nation is the world is facing the oil/energy import pain, but not everybody has approached imf for a bailout. This is sheerly because they had less forex reserves to start off with due to debt servicing & then inflation/war compounded the issues.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The reason Bangladesh have gone to IMF is because we are experiencing a power crisis due to ceasing imports from Russia due to Russia-Ukraine war, either nato allow us to import from Russia or divert us to another source with equal price. The crisis have not originated in Bangladesh, it is due to international affair.

Who is stopping you from importing?

You forex have fallen and your currency is in a downward spiral. You are having to resort to load shedding as you cannot pay for importing fuel as your forex reserves are dwindling.

Yes BD is no SL or Pakistan but its not in a great situation either.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

The reason Bangladesh have gone to IMF is because we are experiencing a power crisis due to ceasing imports from Russia due to Russia-Ukraine war, either nato allow us to import from Russia or divert us to another source with equal price. The crisis have not originated in Bangladesh, it is due to international affair.

Because taka has lost > 30% against USD

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

PKR lost 60% against USD
SLR lost 80% against USD
Thai baht lost 15% against USD
Euro lost 20% against USD

India, China lost only 5% against USD in the past year

 

[SportsWarrior]

Which part of Bangladesh did you visit? LOL. Not all parts are same.

Pakistan obviously is a larger country than Bangladesh in terms of landmass. So, more space to build things.

Dhaka. Spent few days around and its a mess. Messier than most Pakistani cities. Karachi could be messy but nothing compared to Dhaka. Lahore, Islamabad etc if you drive around you can see people driving nice cars on nice roads, nice buildings, very nice malls, abundance of consumer goods, lots of retail shops, many international brands, great food and very nice restaurants, people who seems to be generally doing fine for themselves. Same walk around dhaka gives you an impression that people are struggling, most using cycle rikshaws, generally poor looking people, airport which stinks, buses which seems to be from 1970s or 80s, few cars here and there, hardly any known international brands, etc.

 

[SportsWarrior]

BD has been laundering inflation as growth for years. That is one of the reasons nominal to PPP conversion factor is so low compared to both India and Pakistan. That is the reason with supposedly higher GDP per capita, you hardly see any major retailers, businesses, want to establish base there.

 

[SportsWarrior]

That is crap. Every nation is the world is facing the oil/energy import pain, but not everybody has approached imf for a bailout. This is sheerly because they had less forex reserves to start off with due to debt servicing & then inflation/war compounded the issues.

Takas open market value is much more than what BD government officially declares. That is one of the reason their forex is suffering. When you can get close 10 to 15% more money in open market, money won't flow through official channels.. Dhaka will have let it taka float and that might be mostly a requirement for IMF. lets see

 

[SportsWarrior]

Who is stopping you from importing?

You forex have fallen and your currency is in a downward spiral. You are having to resort to load shedding as you cannot pay for importing fuel as your forex reserves are dwindling.

Yes BD is no SL or Pakistan but its not in a great situation either.

Both SL and Pak are atleast honest about their situation and trying do what they can get out of it. BD is awful in hiding and pretending nothing is wrong with their economy. India is not doing great either but no way to the extent of our neighbours..

 

[SportsWarrior]

What is your definition of literacy?

Not BDs definition. And no numbers from BD please, they are not trustable source

 

[sweep_shot]

Not BDs definition. And no numbers from BD please, they are not trustable source

You are just salty. Haha.

Whatever you say, man.

 

[sweep_shot]

Dhaka. Spent few days around and its a mess. Messier than most Pakistani cities. Karachi could be messy but nothing compared to Dhaka. Lahore, Islamabad etc if you drive around you can see people driving nice cars on nice roads, nice buildings, very nice malls, abundance of consumer goods, lots of retail shops, many international brands, great food and very nice restaurants, people who seems to be generally doing fine for themselves. Same walk around dhaka gives you an impression that people are struggling, most using cycle rikshaws, generally poor looking people, airport which stinks, buses which seems to be from 1970s or 80s, few cars here and there, hardly any known international brands, etc.

Dhaka has different sections. Not all areas are alike.

It is like visiting Delhi's slum and describing Delhi based on that slum. LOL.

I read India has toilet issues and people defecate on the streets. Should I describe India based on that issue?

Your arguments are weak.

 

[sweep_shot]

And no numbers from BD please, they are not trustable source

Just like we shouldn't take Indian stats and Indian media seriously.

We all know how India reported their Covid statistics. They underreported so much.

Stop acting like your country is some type of honest first world country. LOL.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Both SL and Pak are atleast honest about their situation and trying do what they can get out of it. BD is awful in hiding and pretending nothing is wrong with their economy. India is not doing great either but no way to the extent of our neighbours..

BD may be cooking their GDP data.

India is doing relatively well in comparison to most major economies in the world. Rupee hasnt depreciated massively. Forex reserves are comfortable and can support 9 month of imports. GDP growth is to be 7 per cent plus. Inflation is at 7 per cent.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Dhaka has different sections. Not all areas are alike.

It is like visiting Delhi's slum and describing Delhi based on that slum. LOL.

I read India has toilet issues and people defecate on the streets. Should I describe India based on that issue?

Your arguments are weak.

All this and still 1000s of Bangladeshis are jumping the fence to come into India illegally.

 

[sweep_shot]

All this and still 1000s of Bangladeshis are jumping the fence to come into India illegally.

They are stupid if they think it is a good idea to go to a third world country like India.

I mean there are so many great countries to migrate to but they pick India. They are definitely not bright.

I condemn them as much as you do.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Just like we shouldn't take Indian stats and Indian media seriously.

We all know how India reported their Covid statistics. They underreported so much.

Stop acting like your country is some type of honest first world country. LOL.

What did BD report? What is your GDP growth rate YoY for last 5 years? And what are the nominal GDP numbers during that time?

 

[ahsan17]

It would be interesting to know approximately what percent of BD economy is estimated be underground v/S for Pakistan? I suspect the difference is substantial, and that would have any impact on GDP. Anyone who has traveled to both countries tells me Karachi feels a lot wealthier as a whole than Dhaka, leaving out even Lahore and Islamabad.

If you look at GDP per capita of US and Canada, US has a higher GDP per capita, but a big chunk of their GDP is healthcare industry. US spends 2x per capita on healthcare, but has much worse outcomes on healthcare, due to corruption and price gouging in their system. So in this case higher spending (2x per capita) is not producing any better results.

And let's not even get started on the military spending.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They are stupid if they think it is a good idea to go to a third world non-Muslim country like India.

I condemn them as much as you do.

But still they come here. To a third world non muslim country leaving the ever progressive BD and its fabulous GDP.

 

[sweep_shot]

What did BD report? What is your GDP growth rate YoY for last 5 years? And what are the nominal GDP numbers during that time?

Are you trying to say Indian media and statistics are honest? I wonder if you wrote that with a straight face.

 

[sweep_shot]

But still they come here. To a third world non muslim country leaving the ever progressive BD and its fabulous GDP.

There are illegal Indians in Bangladesh too. Check: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indians_in_Bangladesh.

Also, many Indians come to western countries and often overstay their visas. I know many cases here in North America.

Stop acting like you lot are angels. LOL.

Again, I condemn those Bangladeshis who decide to go to a third world country like India. I condemn them as much as you do. They are definitely not very bright.

 

[SportsWarrior]

Dhaka has different sections. Not all areas are alike.

It is like visiting Delhi's slum and describing Delhi based on that slum. LOL.

I read India has toilet issues and people defecate on the streets. Should I describe India based on that issue?

Your arguments are weak.

I have spent around 4 weeks there on two different occasions.. So yes, Dhaka looks relatively poorer than majority of cities in Pak, India and SL. You are free to form your opinion based on whatever you like...

 

[SportsWarrior]

BD may be cooking their GDP data.

India is doing relatively well in comparison to most major economies in the world. Rupee hasnt depreciated massively. Forex reserves are comfortable and can support 9 month of imports. GDP growth is to be 7 per cent plus. Inflation is at 7 per cent.

BD is laundering their inflation as growth. They are flying under the radar as they are considered poor country. India and Pak at the same level of GDP per capita had way more consumption. All three countries are fairly poor, meaning any increase in GDP per capita will result in increased aspirations among the population. People will buy bikes, cars, apartments, phones, etc, travel more, use services more. Almost all BD's consumption numbers are pathetic. A country with 160 million people sells cars in thousands, very less number of bikes, hardly any commercial vehicles, pathetic number of buses and trucks, etc. They consume less, travel less, less commercial vehicle usage and there by fuel usage, less electricity usage, complete lack of high end industries like steel and metallurgy, defense industry, etc etc. so where is the higher GDP coming from?

 

[SportsWarrior]

But still they come here. To a third world non muslim country leaving the ever progressive BD and its fabulous GDP.

Not just come, they come risking their lives. why do that when you already have a progressive society.

 

[sweep_shot]

I have spent around 4 weeks there on two different occasions.. So yes, Dhaka looks relatively poorer than majority of cities in Pak, India and SL. You are free to form your opinion based on whatever you like...

Okay if you say so.

You lost your credibility when you added SL to the list. LOL.

 

[sweep_shot]

Not just come, they come risking their lives. why do that when you already have a progressive society.

Many Indians do the same to come to west. Many illegal Indians (overstaying visa) here in North America.

Also, there are many illegal Indians in Bangladesh too. It goes both ways.

I condemn any Muslim Bangladeshi who migrates to a third world Hindu country like India. It is like they have no self-respect or sense of identity.

 

[sweep_shot]

There are hundreds of thousands of Indians in Bangladesh. Citing the results of a survey, a column in The Financial Express claims that as many as 500,000 Indians were staying illegally in Bangladesh in 2009.[1] The article claims that they were found working in different establishments such as NGOs, garments, textile, IT and sent money back home through hundi transfer systems.[1]

On 26 June 2021, Bangladeshi army patrolmen arrested 11 Indians from the construction site of Padma Bridge. They were detained immediately, and cases were filed against them for illegally trespassing. "They appeared to be acting abnormally," said the superintendent of police (Naria circle) in Shariatpur. They were sent to jail again after confirming their stable mental condition in a mental healthcare centre.[2]

Indian posters shouldn't lecture about illegal immigration. You do the same in western countries and even in Bangladesh.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Indian posters shouldn't lecture about illegal immigration. You do the same in western countries and even in Bangladesh.

Indians illegally immigrating to Bangladesh ? LOL

 

[sweep_shot]

Indians illegally immigrating to Bangladesh ? LOL

Yes!

Do keep up with news.

There are about 500k illegal Indians in Bangladesh. Read below:

There are hundreds of thousands of Indians in Bangladesh. Citing the results of a survey, a column in The Financial Express claims that as many as 500,000 Indians were staying illegally in Bangladesh in 2009.[1] The article claims that they were found working in different establishments such as NGOs, garments, textile, IT and sent money back home through hundi transfer systems.[1]

On 26 June 2021, Bangladeshi army patrolmen arrested 11 Indians from the construction site of Padma Bridge. They were detained immediately, and cases were filed against them for illegally trespassing. "They appeared to be acting abnormally," said the superintendent of police (Naria circle) in Shariatpur. They were sent to jail again after confirming their stable mental condition in a mental healthcare centre.[2]

I am guessing these are really poor Indians just like Bangladeshis who migrate to India are really poor Bangladeshis.

 

[SportsWarrior]

Many Indians do the same to come to west. Many illegal Indians (overstaying visa) here in North America.

Also, there are many illegal Indians in Bangladesh too. It goes both ways.

I condemn any Muslim Bangladeshi who migrates to a third world Hindu country like India. It is like they have no self-respect or sense of identity.

I agree any Muslim Bangladeshi who migrates go Hindu india have no self respect or sense of identity. Glad we agree on something

 

[sweep_shot]

I agree any Muslim Bangladeshi who migrates go Hindu india have no self respect or sense of identity. Glad we agree on something

I always condemn illegal immigration whether it is Bangladeshis doing it or Indians doing it.

Ask your fellow Indians not to migrate to countries (including Bangladesh) illegally. There is a large number of illegal Indians in Bangladesh also.