Bangladesh ‘working on’ finding leg spinners for future

[jnaveen1980]

https://www.thedailystar.net/icc-cr...h-working-finding-leg-spinners-future-1761271


Bangladesh will be facing Afghanistan tomorrow at Southampton with the prospect of facing one of the best leg spinners in the world in Rashid Khan. Bangladesh coach Steve Rhodes lamented the lack of leg spinners in Bangladesh but at the same time signaled that there is hope for upcoming leg spinners in the country.

“Well, it would be nice to have brought a left-hand spinner, off spinner, and a leg-spinner to the World Cup, but if that's not possible, then let's go with our best spinners,” he said.

The head coach had a lot of respect for Afghan leg-spinner Rashid Khan. “I think the word is respect in Rashid Khan. He's a wonderful bowler. I know he went for plenty of runs against Morgan against England, but that was just one of those days for him. Generally, he's very, very aggressive and tight at the same time, so a quality bowler,” he reiterated.

He said that Bangladesh are working on finding a leg spinning option in the future. “At the moment, there's a lack of leg spinners in Bangladesh. It's something we're working on. It's something we're working on to get right. I'm sure we will do. As I've said many times, to anybody who's a leg spinner, there's not many around, so you can shine very, very quickly if you're any good.”

There is a Shane Warne stand in The Ageas Bowl and Rhodes was asked whether leg spinners doing well here was an advantage for Afghanistan. The Englishman replied wittingly: “But Shane Warne obviously made his name away from Hampshire. He played here and did well for the county, but Shane Warne is known really for his deeds in Australia, and certainly the ball turned a little bit more in Sydney and places like that than it does here at the Rose Bowl.


So, yeah, if we had a good leg spinner, he'd be here, and we're working on that.”

 

[big_gamer007]

To produce a specific skillset you need to have role models. India had Kumble and Shane warne to inspire leggies.

Bangladesh kids are getting into cricket nowadays so they need to take inspiration from Chahal or Rashid. True Chahal and Rashid are no warne or Kumble but today's kids will be only inspired by today's players and they are the best you have available right now.

Warnie, Wasim, Sachin these guys inspired so many kids to take up the sport throughout the world. It's sad we don't have such huge inspirational figures anymore in bowling.

 

[jnaveen1980]

IPL played a part in grooming of leggies. LEggies started becoming a force in the IPL. Gradually bowlers started focusing on becoming leggies. Pravin Tambe, Tewatia many unknown guys started making names for themselves. Still that tradition continues. Leggies play a huge part in the IPL. In 2019 IPL Chahar, Gopal, Chahal were the star performers. There are more coming up.

 

[sweep_shot]

Leg-spinner is mandatory in modern ODI games. I hope BD finds one soon. Good news is, we generally have higher chance of getting a good spinner than a pacer (due to our spin-friendly pitches).

 

[Hasan123]

Bangladesh badly need a leg spinner. Playing 2/3 off spinners is predictable.

 

[Sami92]

Jubair Hossain (Aged 23), Minhajul Abedin Afridi (Aged 20) & Rishad Hossain (Aged 16) are the leg spinners in Bangladesh domestic cricket circuit.

Interestingly, Jubair Hossain has already represented Bangladesh in 6 tests, 3 ODIs & 1 T20I with not a bad record. But I see he hasn't played any domestic cricket since Oct 2018. Wasn't picked in the BPL. What has happened to him ? You definitely can't let him drift away from the game.

Minhajul Abedin Afridi was picked in the BPL but was given only a match by Rangpur Riders. He had a figure of 2.3-0-8-1.

Rishad Hossain is the from U/19 team and has played 1 FC match & 2 T20s. Wasn't picked in the BPL.

Now, Ban needs to provide them with enough opportunities in domestic cricket across formats. A spin bowling coach should work with them to groom them for Bangladesh national side. Maybe appoint a foreign leg spinner to work with him.

There should be a role for BPL. BPL has to pick these leg spinners and play them in the starting XI for the greater interest of Bangladesh cricket.

It's time Bangladesh emphasizes on finding talent as well as 'talent management'.

 

[MMHS]

Jubair Hossain (Aged 23), Minhajul Abedin Afridi (Aged 20) & Rishad Hossain (Aged 16) are the leg spinners in Bangladesh domestic cricket circuit.

Interestingly, Jubair Hossain has already represented Bangladesh in 6 tests, 3 ODIs & 1 T20I with not a bad record. But I see he hasn't played any domestic cricket since Oct 2018. Wasn't picked in the BPL. What has happened to him ? You definitely can't let him drift away from the game.

Minhajul Abedin Afridi was picked in the BPL but was given only a match by Rangpur Riders. He had a figure of 2.3-0-8-1.

Rishad Hossain is the from U/19 team and has played 1 FC match & 2 T20s. Wasn't picked in the BPL.

Now, Ban needs to provide them with enough opportunities in domestic cricket across formats. A spin bowling coach should work with them to groom them for Bangladesh national side. Maybe appoint a foreign leg spinner to work with him.

There should be a role for BPL. BPL has to pick these leg spinners and play them in the starting XI for the greater interest of Bangladesh cricket.

It's time Bangladesh emphasizes on finding talent as well as 'talent management'.

I believe Jubair went to studies for few years, he is coming back now.

Minhaj, not sure if he is an Afridi. And, he is definitely not that much potential, at least as of now.

Rishad is good, turns lots, flights well, he might make the U19 WC squad.

I personally hope BPL keeps these young leggis thousand miles away from them. T20 is the worst place for developing spinners, particularly Leggis. What they need is lots of FC games with long, long spells and long hours of practice at nets to master a stock ball - T20 doesn’t offer, neither need either. On top of that, they’ll force these players to learn hitting with bat .......

 

[farazaidi]

I believe Jubair went to studies for few years, he is coming back now.

Minhaj, not sure if he is an Afridi. And, he is definitely not that much potential, at least as of now.

Rishad is good, turns lots, flights well, he might make the U19 WC squad.

I personally hope BPL keeps these young leggis thousand miles away from them. T20 is the worst place for developing spinners, particularly Leggis. What they need is lots of FC games with long, long spells and long hours of practice at nets to master a stock ball - T20 doesn’t offer, neither need either. On top of that, they’ll force these players to learn hitting with bat .......

On the contrary, T20 is the game where leg spinners thrive more. Shadab is a product of PSL too where he outshone left arm orthodox spinners as right arm leggie are that much more attractive and effective

 

[shaz619]

It's a realistic ambition in the short term which can come to fruition, long term they massively need a world class fast bowler who is also built quite well physically

 

[sweep_shot]

It's a realistic ambition in the short term which can come to fruition, long term they massively need a world class fast bowler who is also built quite well physically

I don't think we will ever have a proper fast bowler. Our diets are messed up and spin-friendly pitches don't help.

 

[shaz619]

I don't think we will ever have a proper fast bowler. Our diets are messed up and spin-friendly pitches don't help.

I know it will be very tough but it's good to have this goal and in life we have seen many freaks of nature in sport, anomalies like Iron Mike Tyson so it's always good to have hope and work towards a specific target.

 

[troodon]

Jubair Hossain (Aged 23), Minhajul Abedin Afridi (Aged 20) & Rishad Hossain (Aged 16) are the leg spinners in Bangladesh domestic cricket circuit.

Interestingly, Jubair Hossain has already represented Bangladesh in 6 tests, 3 ODIs & 1 T20I with not a bad record. But I see he hasn't played any domestic cricket since Oct 2018. Wasn't picked in the BPL. What has happened to him ? You definitely can't let him drift away from the game.

Minhajul Abedin Afridi was picked in the BPL but was given only a match by Rangpur Riders. He had a figure of 2.3-0-8-1.

Rishad Hossain is the from U/19 team and has played 1 FC match & 2 T20s. Wasn't picked in the BPL.

Now, Ban needs to provide them with enough opportunities in domestic cricket across formats. A spin bowling coach should work with them to groom them for Bangladesh national side. Maybe appoint a foreign leg spinner to work with him.

There should be a role for BPL. BPL has to pick these leg spinners and play them in the starting XI for the greater interest of Bangladesh cricket.

It's time Bangladesh emphasizes on finding talent as well as 'talent management'.

Minajul Abedin is an Afridi? Even Banladesh produced an Afridi

 

[sweep_shot]

Minajul Abedin is an Afridi? Even Banladesh produced an Afridi

Afridi used to be massively popular in Bangladesh. I started watching cricket in late-90's and Afridi was a superstar then. No wonder someone named their kid Afridi.

 

[sweep_shot]

I know it will be very tough but it's good to have this goal and in life we have seen many freaks of nature in sport, anomalies like Iron Mike Tyson so it's always good to have hope and work towards a specific target.

You are correct. I never thought we would get someone like Mustafizur Rahman. He came out of nowhere. He is nothing special but he is the best we have currently.

 

[MMHS]

On the contrary, T20 is the game where leg spinners thrive more. Shadab is a product of PSL too where he outshone left arm orthodox spinners as right arm leggie are that much more attractive and effective

Developed leg spinners - once they are ready obviously will thrive in a game where batsmen are forced to rush mad.

Shadab is not a PSL product, rather he just got fast tracked via PSL, because PCB has leased PAK cricket to PSL. And, without PSL, Shadab could have been a far better leggi by now instead of a spinner that needs a big score to thrive in 2nd innings. If you could see how ordinary he was on that Birmingham track from 78/5, you could have realised what PSL has done to him. And, in a broader perspective to PAK cricket.

 

[MMHS]

I don't think we will ever have a proper fast bowler. Our diets are messed up and spin-friendly pitches don't help.

Diet has nothing to do in it, wicket definitely. Shah Alam was fasted South Asian for 5-6 years even in 80s - just like sprinters/athletes fast bowlers are system produced, mentored by culture. Bowling odd 150k effort ball isn’t a big deal, what we need proper skilled pacer who can operate at 134K average speed, with effort ball reaching 144K - you don’t need special diet for that.

But yes, wickets need to be changed lot - needs lot more absolute batting belters with good carry & bounce, where bowlers will need to bend back & improve skills with discipline to get batsman out when they are trying to survive.

 

[sweep_shot]

Diet has nothing to do in it, wicket definitely. Shah Alam was fasted South Asian for 5-6 years even in 80s - just like sprinters/athletes fast bowlers are system produced, mentored by culture. Bowling odd 150k effort ball isn’t a big deal, what we need proper skilled pacer who can operate at 134K average speed, with effort ball reaching 144K - you don’t need special diet for that.

But yes, wickets need to be changed lot - needs lot more absolute batting belters with good carry & bounce, where bowlers will need to bend back & improve skills with discipline to get batsman out when they are trying to survive.

134 KMH is not good enough. We already have a few who can bowl at that speed. We need a proper express pacer who can bowl between 145 KMH to 155 KMH consistently.

Also, diet is important. You can't overlook that in modern cricket. Mortaza bowls with massive stomach fat and that is unacceptable.

 

[BDfanforever]

134 KMH is not good enough. We already have a few who can bowl at that speed. We need a proper express pacer who can bowl between 145 KMH to 155 KMH consistently.

Also, diet is important. You can't overlook that in modern cricket. Mortaza bowls with massive stomach fat and that is unacceptable.

Are you saying we don't eat meats, vegetables, etc? Dude, we eat everything. You are from Toronto. What is the average diet there? Let me guess, burgers, cheese, and fries?

Also 135k average speed is more than decent enough. This is the range where most of the wicket falls. Problem isnt diet, problem is culture. They are focusing mostly on batting heavy team. Check our middle order batting stats this WC, you will be surprised its on par with England. Problem is we have an useless bowling attack.

 

[sweep_shot]

Are you saying we don't eat meats, vegetables, etc? Dude, we eat everything. You are from Toronto. What is the average diet there? Let me guess, burgers, cheese, and fries?

Also 135k average speed is more than decent enough. This is the range where most of the wicket falls. Problem isnt diet, problem is culture. They are focusing mostly on batting heavy team. Check our middle order batting stats this WC, you will be surprised its on par with England. Problem is we have an useless bowling attack.

That's the issue. A fast bowler shouldn't eat everything! I eat everything but then again I am not an international fast bowler.

Sorry, my friend. 135 KMH is not going to trouble Big teams like India, Australia etc. We already have a few bowlers who can bowl at that speed.

 

[jnaveen1980]

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/icc-rankings/t20-bowling

Look at how many leggies are in the T20 ranking. Most of them are in top 10

 

[sweep_shot]

For ODI, BD should use these bowlers:

Medium pace - Mustafizur and Saifuddin.
Express pace - We don't have one yet. Rubel can bowl till we find someone better.
Leg-spinner - We don't have one yet. We have to fill up this gap.
Other spinners - Shakib and Mehidy.

 

[MMHS]

134 KMH is not good enough. We already have a few who can bowl at that speed. We need a proper express pacer who can bowl between 145 KMH to 155 KMH consistently.

Also, diet is important. You can't overlook that in modern cricket. Mortaza bowls with massive stomach fat and that is unacceptable.

They don’t have skills - if Rubel reaches to 155K, he’ll be more expensive. McGrath was slower than 134K, and he’ll make every opener in this WC literally cry on 350 tracks because none has the clue of off stick line. These are hitters through the line with planted feet - without skills, these days pace won’t work. Mash is a spent force - even for BD team he won’t have made the squad unless being captain, but there is a purpose as well for him.

 

[hur rizvi]

134 KMH is not good enough. We already have a few who can bowl at that speed. We need a proper express pacer who can bowl between 145 KMH to 155 KMH consistently.

Also, diet is important. You can't overlook that in modern cricket. Mortaza bowls with massive stomach fat and that is unacceptable.

I have many Bangladeshi friends and your diet is not much different from Pakistanis. I know this first hand because almost 20/30 iftars were arranged by Bangladeshi people in the mosque of our university town

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

I have many Bangladeshi friends and your diet is not much different from Pakistanis. I know this first hand because almost 20/30 iftars were arranged by Bangladeshi people in the mosque of our university town

There is a difference between class in Bangladesh, people who are from poorer families don't get the luxury of eating beef so they stick to fish. Taskin is from a middle class family hence he is well built and tall, he gets enough beef but his brain is of a 5 year old. In our current team only Tamim comes from a middle class family, rest all came from very poor background. Nowadays middle class are more interested in football and basketball over cricket also their parents prefer education (Doctor, Engineer, Computer hacking etc) over cricket.

There is also no pace development academy in Bangladesh and recently watching one of the interview Akram Khan (BCB Director) doesn't think there is any problem with our pace line up as pitches in England are flat, bowlers are meant to leak runs. With this kind of negative mentality we won't be able to find genuine fast bowlers. We are stuck with our trundler brigade, we just need to find a couple of good wicket taking spinners. Miraz shouldn't be in the ODI team.

 

[Dingolfy]

I don't think we will ever have a proper fast bowler. Our diets are messed up and spin-friendly pitches don't help.

People can change their diets. Indians on average have worse diet than you guys who eat more protein in the form of fish.

 

[rollingstoned]

Diet has nothing to do in it, wicket definitely. Shah Alam was fasted South Asian for 5-6 years even in 80s - just like sprinters/athletes fast bowlers are system produced, mentored by culture. Bowling odd 150k effort ball isn’t a big deal, what we need proper skilled pacer who can operate at 134K average speed, with effort ball reaching 144K - you don’t need special diet for that.

But yes, wickets need to be changed lot - needs lot more absolute batting belters with good carry & bounce, where bowlers will need to bend back & improve skills with discipline to get batsman out when they are trying to survive.

what happened to taskin?

 

[Dingolfy]

There is a difference between class in Bangladesh, people who are from poorer families don't get the luxury of eating beef so they stick to fish. Taskin is from a middle class family hence he is well built and tall, he gets enough beef but his brain is of a 5 year old. In our current team only Tamim comes from a middle class family, rest all came from very poor background. Nowadays middle class are more interested in football and basketball over cricket also their parents prefer education (Doctor, Engineer, Computer hacking etc) over cricket.

There is also no pace development academy in Bangladesh and recently watching one of the interview Akram Khan (BCB Director) doesn't think there is any problem with our pace line up as pitches in England are flat, bowlers are meant to leak runs. With this kind of negative mentality we won't be able to find genuine fast bowlers. We are stuck with our trundler brigade, we just need to find a couple of good wicket taking spinners. Miraz shouldn't be in the ODI team.

Fish is a way better source of protein than Beef. And Desi way of oil-dripping beef dishes will do you more harm than good.