"Bangladesh are happy to play T20Is in Pakistan but won't play 2 Tests here" : Wasim Khan

[Omer2002]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wasim Khan "Bangladesh are happy to play T20Is in Pakistan but won't play 2 Tests here. I've written to BCB & been very strong in my response & asked them why. They're talking about playing T20Is but for us, playing Test cricket in another country isn't an option now" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1207333839015690240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Ronaldo7]

What wastemen!

 

[MenInG]

All news on BCB is based upon Wasim Khan remarks today.

 

[liam26]

If they are okay with playing T20s, whats the problem with Tests?

 

[shah_1]

Cancel the series

 

[hur rizvi]

No point in playing t20s

 

[aloo paratha]

Postpone the tests until May then.

 

[MenInG]

If they are okay with playing T20s, whats the problem with Tests?

Should say lets play 20 T20Is....

 

[Bewal Express]

BD is a country that no one would play except us is now trying to show us that they have some power.

 

[MenInG]

BD is a country that no one would play except us is now trying to show us that they have some power.

Lets not go there please. Keep discussion simple.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

BD is a country that no one would play except us is now trying to show us that they have some power.

They're good outfit with some tough batsmen. This is saddening, i had my heart set on them playing but if this doesn't happen in Pakistan then play in Dubai.

 

[Abdullah719]

So until recently, they were waiting for govt. clearance. Is the govt. giving them permission only for T20Is now?

 

[ChTab]

Postpone the tests until May then.

You want players to play in 50 degrees temperature??

 

[ZamanFan]

Absolutely ridiculous coming from 9th ranked team that has'nt played a test in Australia in 11 years and 9 years in England. They toured India for the first time in 14+ years since their controversial ganting of test status.

Such a country like Bangladesh that does not play tests in other countries more often, trying to negotiate and refuse is really hilarious and shameful.

PCB should play a 4 day match with MCC instead of inviting and bearing expenses of Bangladeshis for 2 T20s.

Even Ireland canceled their test series with them and Australia also (last year back) as their cricket is not good enough to draw interest.

People want to see competitive cricket, just playing with a weak team so that they can come to Pakistan is already a bad idea. No one would come to watch Bangladesh.

PCB should concentrate on PSL and better teams like South Africa. Forget about Bangladesh.

 

[IAJ]

SL say Pakistan is safe for cricket, really strange that BD can’t come and play. If BD don’t come then just forget SENA countries.

Golden opportunity for BD players to receive love from pakistani fans now. But when cricket is fully restored in Pak, the fans will not forget how BD let them down when the country needed BD’s support the most.

 

[Bewal Express]

Lets not go there please. Keep discussion simple.

But it is relevant. PK helped enormously with the development of BD cricket.

 

[AFM]

Wasim said they have the clearance from the ICC security team to host Tests in Pakistan. He said there has to be a justifiable reason not to play.

 

[Ryw]

Pakistan team is also a minnow team so two minnow countries need to think logically, i think Pakistan should play T20 s in Pakistan and make a official complain in ICC about Bangladesh refusing to play Tests, and make sure this hire a highly skilled lawyer to fight for this case. Thats how organisations works (sports).

 

[Ami]

Lets be adult about it...invite them for T20s. .
Tests can come later, when ever they're ready.
No need to play tests in UAE, thats a step backwards.

 

[ZamanFan]

Pakistan team is also a minnow team so two minnow countries need to think logically, i think Pakistan should play T20 s in Pakistan and make a official complain in ICC about Bangladesh refusing to play Tests, and make sure this hire a highly skilled lawyer to fight for this case. Thats how organisations works (sports).

Why don't Bangladesh invite Afghanistan, they both are of the same level. Pakistan has gone through a lot but never have a host country canceled tour on the basis of competitiveness and viability.

Waste of money for PCB to host Bangladesh, better cancel it and let the Bangladeshis wait for another foreign tour for most of the calendar year of 2020 as their only scheduled foreign tour is WT20 rofl.

 

[ZamanFan]

Lets be adult about it...invite them for T20s. .
Tests can come later, when ever they're ready.
No need to play tests in UAE, thats a step backwards.

Security issue is about the tour, when the tour is being given go ahead then why this stupid condition to play a shorter format when they'll still be in the host country for more than a week.
BCB has made a stupid and nonsensical move. Bangladesh team is 9th in ranking even in T20 rofl.

Best it would be to forget about Bangladesh and not invite them again, let them enjoy for whatever political point scoring they intend to make.

 

[hitthestump]

I am sure Wasim Khan will stand firm on this issue and convey very simply that either the test series goes ahead in Pakistan or it doesn't at all.

In an ideal scenario the ICC should take interest in Bangladesh's refusal to play tests in Pakistan and give them the option either to play or forfeit test championship points.

 

[Savak]

Good by WK. No need to accept dictation and crap by a minnow team

 

[Saj]

Strange that BCB are dragging this out.

Make a decision and stand by it, instead of this drama.

 

[ElRaja]

if bang dont tour without good reason do pak get the 120 wtc points?

 

[Amjid Javed]

ICC need to step in here and clamp doen on bangladesh.

if they dont want to your at all fair enough, the fact they do just for T20s means they should be docked points or worse in regards to test championship.

 

[Mobashir]

It's a conspiracy for Babar Azam test average to not reach 45 after the series against them...

On a more serious note, it's very sad that Bangladesh is acting like this. Unfortunately people forget history so quickly. Only 20 years ago, we gifted them Test cricket.

 

[aloo paratha]

You want players to play in 50 degrees temperature??

The average highs in May in Karachi and Rawalpindi are 36, which are both lower than what NZ and Australia played in at Perth.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Should say lets play 20 T20Is....

Not bad

 

[SensiblePakFan]

So until recently, they were waiting for govt. clearance. Is the govt. giving them permission only for T20Is now?

I expected better excuses to be honest

 

[Bel_Homme]

It's a conspiracy for Babar Azam test average to not reach 45 after the series against them...

On a more serious note, it's very sad that Bangladesh is acting like this. Unfortunately people forget history so quickly. Only 20 years ago, we gifted them Test cricket.

What do you mean you gifted them test cricket?

 

[Rana]

I don’t like this approach by Pakistan on Bangladesh. They are bullying them for being the weakest Test nation but they will not corner a team like New Zealand or Australia like this.

 

[Hawkeye]

This doesn't make a lot of sense from BD. They should be playing as many Tests as possible to help develop this format. They can even be competitive in Pak and also our team is so young.

Would like to hear the thoughts of senior respected posters like [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION].

 

[Hawkeye]

I don’t like this approach by Pakistan on Bangladesh. They are bullying them for being the weakest Test nation but they will not corner a team like New Zealand or Australia like this.

Nz Aus didn't say they'll come but only for T20s. Besides risk profile is also different for them.

 

[Caved12]

This doesn't make a lot of sense from BD. They should be playing as many Tests as possible to help develop this format. They can even be competitive in Pak and also our team is so young.

Would like to hear the thoughts of senior respected posters like [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION].

Agreed Hawkeye. BD is a team that I like watching and supporting, but their board has been acting weirdly as of late.

 

[moghul]

I won;t blame BCB for this , its BCCI which is not giving them the permission.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Really interested to hear there reason.

 

[MMHS]

Quite disturbing action by BCB to be honest - they have to decisive here, on their stand. If it's on security ground, then they must share the expert findings; if it's on players protest, then it's actually their internal problem - can't be different stand for two different formats.

I think, it has come down to personal ego now - I know Papon personally and guy is a crook but very stubborn, very close to Hasina as well (Zillur Rahman's son); he didn't take that last minute cancellation by PCB well couple of years back. I think the final piece of puzzle could be settled by a quick visit by WK/Mani at Dhaka - without Shakib, I don't think any BD player is going to IPL this year, means for two months both set of players will ring bell & play guitar .... a return trip by PAK during IPL for may be couple of Tests and 7-8 LO games can unlock the knot here ....

I am sure ICC will play dumb observer here - BD declining to tour PAK isn't going to earn PCB much (may be 120 points for free), but it'll set a damaging precedence and ICC will be forced to rule as same for other teams as well in future, which neither ICC/PCB should wish, therefore it has to be resolved at negotiation table.

 

[MenInG]

Quite disturbing action by BCB to be honest - they have to decisive here, on their stand. If it's on security ground, then they must share the expert findings; if it's on players protest, then it's actually their internal problem - can't be different stand for two different formats.

I think, it has come down to personal ego now - I know Papon personally and guy is a crook but very stubborn, very close to Hasina as well (Zillur Rahman's son); he didn't take that last minute cancellation by PCB well couple of years back. I think the final piece of puzzle could be settled by a quick visit by WK/Mani at Dhaka - without Shakib, I don't think any BD player is going to IPL this year, means for two months both set of players will ring bell & play guitar .... a return trip by PAK during IPL for may be couple of Tests and 7-8 LO games can unlock the knot here ....

I am sure ICC will play dumb observer here - BD declining to tour PAK isn't going to earn PCB much (may be 120 points for free), but it'll set a damaging precedence and ICC will be forced to rule as same for other teams as well in future, which neither ICC/PCB should wish, therefore it has to be resolved at negotiation table.

Good insight this - thanks MMHS

 

[light]

What BCB is doing is savage and uncalled for however, how y'all are jumping up and down about this doesn't affect Pakistan cricket does not make sense to me. Might want to give MMHS post a read. I was about to express the same feelings, he summed it up nicely. If a so called "Minnow" team, as some of you guys have been portraying them as, doesn't show up, ICC won't be backing you guys up any SENA or other higher ranked team because they will simply point towards BD and say, they didn't show up, we don't care either.

If I was in Pakistan's shoe, I would honestly suck it up at this point and invite them for the T20, once the tour gets done and dusted with, they will have no other excuse to not come for the Test series. Grab them by the balls when you already have a sweet sweet chance, but brown people and their ego always comes first, later comes logic.

 

[GrandMaster]

SL did the same. They visited for a short T20 series and then visited again for a test series after being satisfied by the security provided by the PCB.

Why are the PPers lashing out at BCB? Instead why not go ahead with the T20 series first and then try convincing the BCB for the test series?

 

[saeed5646]

SL did the same. They visited for a short T20 series and then visited again for a test series after being satisfied by the security provided by the PCB.

Why are the PPers lashing out at BCB? Instead why not go ahead with the T20 series first and then try convincing the BCB for the test series?

How do you know the details?May be they have declined test series altogether

 

[Abdullah719]

SL did the same. They visited for a short T20 series and then visited again for a test series after being satisfied by the security provided by the PCB.

Why are the PPers lashing out at BCB? Instead why not go ahead with the T20 series first and then try convincing the BCB for the test series?

Not enough time.

 

[shane]

Tests or T20's, no one wants to watch Bangladesh. What's the point of wasting money on a tour no one wants.

 

[BaankeJi]

Tests or T20's, no one wants to watch Bangladesh. What's the point of wasting money on a tour no one wants.

Not true dude. Everyone knows BD are no longer a minnow.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Immature behaviour as expected.

 

[GrandMaster]

How do you know the details?May be they have declined test series altogether

If the T20 series goes fine (which I believe will) it would be easy to convince for the test series. PCB need to take one step at a time, tbh it’s PCB who is at the deep end and need support from BCB and not the other way round.

 

[aquakhan]

Excellent. Get free 120 points. We are not dying to play with them. Test championship is more important.

 

[IAJ]

Quite disturbing action by BCB to be honest - they have to decisive here, on their stand. If it's on security ground, then they must share the expert findings; if it's on players protest, then it's actually their internal problem - can't be different stand for two different formats.

I think, it has come down to personal ego now - I know Papon personally and guy is a crook but very stubborn, very close to Hasina as well (Zillur Rahman's son); he didn't take that last minute cancellation by PCB well couple of years back. I think the final piece of puzzle could be settled by a quick visit by WK/Mani at Dhaka - without Shakib, I don't think any BD player is going to IPL this year, means for two months both set of players will ring bell & play guitar .... a return trip by PAK during IPL for may be couple of Tests and 7-8 LO games can unlock the knot here ....

I am sure ICC will play dumb observer here - BD declining to tour PAK isn't going to earn PCB much (may be 120 points for free), but it'll set a damaging precedence and ICC will be forced to rule as same for other teams as well in future, which neither ICC/PCB should wish, therefore it has to be resolved at negotiation table.

Very good post.

Something a few arrogant pakistanis should learn from.

 

[Mamoon]

Bangladesh are perfectly capable of coming to Pakistan and humiliating us in both Tests and T20s. I would advise our fans to keep their shallow arrogance in check.

 

[Abdullah719]

Bangladesh want to tour in Pakistan for T20 series only

Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) showed its desire to send the team in Pakistan but only for a short visit.

More specifically the BCB wants to tour in Pakistan for three-match T20 series only while they want to play the two-match Test series in neutral venue. BCB CEO Nizamuddin Chowdhury said that they have already communicated Pakistan, letting them know what the Bangladesh wants but is yet to get any reply.

“We are with Pakistan always in their initiative to revive the cricket there and so at this moment we want to send the national male team for three-match T20 series only,” Chowdhury told the news agency here yesterday.

“At this moment we want the two-match Test series to be held in neutral venue and Pakistan can decide where they want to play.” He continued: “Since Pakistan played in neutral venue, we think it won’t be a problem for them to arrange the Test series in a place other than Pakistan.”

The bilateral series between the two countries which comprises with two-match Test series and three-match T20 series is scheduled to be held in February. For those matches, Bangladesh needs to stay in Pakistan almost one month.

http://www.theindependentbd.com/home/printnews/228448

 

[cricketjoshila]

I hear that BCB wants their team to spend as less time in Pakistan as possible. Its like Fly in a day before. Play three T20s and fly out. May be 5 days total tour.

As test and T20 tour will mean atleast 20 days.

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

 

[Pete Rose]

It is what it is. We need the points

 

[cricketjoshila]

Excellent. Get free 120 points. We are not dying to play with them. Test championship is more important.

Where is this 120 points free coming from?

Unless ICC is willing to force every team to tour Pakistan, they cant force BD alone.

 

[MMHS]

I hear that BCB wants their team to spend as less time in Pakistan as possible. Its like Fly in a day before. Play three T20s and fly out. May be 5 days total tour.

As test and T20 tour will mean atleast 20 days.

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

Then they should state that officially with proper logic. It shouldn’t be that difficult either using SRL series and the comments of their Tour Manager. Here, it doesn’t sound professional, because PCB also needs a cut off time to prepare - they can’t rent grounds at 11th hour in UAE or any where.

If BCB wants more time for 3 weeks stay, we can always defer the Test series by few months and play LO series now - but, that offer should come from BCB; PCB will always want to bring as much cricket as possible in PAK & as early as possible.

PCB’s ultimate target is to host BD at home, for which new management is putting every effort. Apart from security issues, there are two more issues at BCB’s hand - 1. PCB not hosting them in UAE, indirectly questing the worth (financially hosting BD will be better than SRL, WIN or NZ for sure). 2. Cancelled last tour.

First one (security) is non negotiable, last two can be solved with negotiations and a good mutual deal.

 

[shariqnoor]

Bangladesh is fully capable of humiliating Pakistan in the Test matches. They have a solid batting lineup and excellent spinners.

But I hope that PCB takes a firm stand and does not shift its home series against Bangladesh to a neutral venue. Hopefully the SL series will go off smoothly and that would strengthen the case for the PCB. ICC would then get involved and would have to become the arbitrator. They can't force PCB to play at a neutral venue while also can't force BCB to tour Pakistan. Probably the series will be struck off the ICC test championship. If that is what it will come to, PCB should accept that but should not crack and move the series to a neutral venue.

Pakistan has 0 chance in the world test championship so it doesn't really make a difference if they play or not but what truly matters is that if Pakistan plays, it plays on home turf.

 

[Harpoon]

PCB should agree for the T20 series and inform BCB that they can come for the tests in Pakistan whenever they feel comfortable. I'm sure BCB will come for tests in 2020.
Hosting tests outside Pak is not an option now. For any country.

 

[1ManArmy]

Bangladesh are just being petty now

 

[BDfanforever]

PCB should agree for the T20 series and inform BCB that they can come for the tests in Pakistan whenever they feel comfortable. I'm sure BCB will come for tests in 2020.
Hosting tests outside Pak is not an option now. For any country.

Cant Pakistan home games not also be played in Sri Lanka? UAE is always going to be expensive, also has garbage pitches.

 

[Shazzam]

Maybe its good this Bangladesh team won’t face us. In our current form we are going to lose to even them.

 

[Junaids]

It's an opportunity!

Pakistan has a World Test Championship series starting in England on 30 July.

Play the two Tests against Bangladesh in the British Isles - preferably with a Headingley Test, if not with Tests at Dublin and Glasgow.

There is a gap in the England international calendar from Friday 17 July. So play a 4 day Test under lights at Headingley Friday 17- Monday 20 July, then another four day Test at Dublin Thursday 23 to Sunday 26 July.

Perfect tune-up for the WTC Tests!

 

[NoBallZombie]

Is security the only issue? Or is there more stuff going behind the scenes?

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Where is this 120 points free coming from?

Unless ICC is willing to force every team to tour Pakistan, they cant force BD alone.

BCB agreed to tour therefore PCB would be well within their right to not only collect 120 points from forfeited Tests, but also to sue BCB for money.

BCB are making fools of themselves. When our team is getting beaten by Afghanistan and Zimbabwe at home, we should be thankful any team is even willing to host us.

I've always sided with BCB in recent years agains the PCB, but the SL tour is making it difficult for BCB to maintain their position.

BD has already sent women's team and U-19 team to Pakistan. So BCB has little leg to stand on unless there is some other information which we, the general public, are unwarare of.

 

[Bel_Homme]

As someone who loves to see cricket back in Pakistan, I think BD should tour for a full series. If SL can tour...so can they. It will be an interesting series to follow as an outsider as well.

 

[cricketjoshila]

BCB agreed to tour therefore PCB would be well within their right to not only collect 120 points from forfeited Tests, but also to sue BCB for money.

BCB are making fools of themselves. When our team is getting beaten by Afghanistan and Zimbabwe at home, we should be thankful any team is even willing to host us.

I've always sided with BCB in recent years agains the PCB, but the SL tour is making it difficult for BCB to maintain their position.

BD has already sent women's team and U-19 team to Pakistan. So BCB has little leg to stand on unless there is some other information which we, the general public, are unwarare of.

Did BCB agree to play in pakistan? Or did BCB agree to play pakistan?

Two different things.

Onfield performance of team has nothing to do with security issues.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Did BCB agree to play in pakistan? Or did BCB agree to play pakistan?

Two different things.

Both. It was pencilled in as a PAK home series from the very beginning. So it was BCB's job to clarify where Pakistan planned on hosting it at that time instead of waiting till the last minute. They could have refused to play Pakistan just like BCCI has. Current FTP is mutually agreed upon and legally binding (pending governmental approval). All the blame goes on the BCB which has been for some time now the most mismanged cricket board of the top 11 nations, barring Zimbabwe.

Onfield performance of team has nothing to do with security issues.

If for any reason it was concerning India, you'd have been the first person to mention the word "minnow" 1 lakh times in each of your posts, so no need to put on airs.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Both. It was pencilled in as a PAK home series from the very beginning. So it was BCB's job to clarify where Pakistan planned on hosting it at that time instead of waiting till the last minute. They could have refused to play Pakistan just like BCCI has. Current FTP is mutually agreed upon and legally binding (pending governmental approval). All the blame goes on the BCB which has been for some time now the most mismanged cricket board of the top 11 nations, barring Zimbabwe.



If for any reason it was concerning India, you'd have been the first person to mention the word "minnow" 1 lakh times in each of your posts, so no need to put on airs.

1. All pak home series are played on neutral grounds by SENA countries. BD too can demand.

2.Yes i will call BD a minnow when posters will big up Fizz as being better than any Indian fast bowler or how Mushfiqur is better than Dhoni or how Bcci trapped Shakib else BD would have won the test series in India.

But if any team says there are security issues, and majority view is the same, then its an issue.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Pakistan should play test series with them in uae or in any other neutral country , you cant force anyone to come play when they dont want to. Pakistan need to play a lot of tesr cricket , where ever it is payed.

 

[ahsan17]

1. All pak home series are played on neutral grounds by SENA countries. BD too can demand.

Not really. It seems like PCB has a new policy now, created in the last few weeks, that wasn't there when other teams were visiting.

 

[Globama]

Strange that BCB are dragging this out.

Make a decision and stand by it, instead of this drama.

They have made a decision. They don't want to play Tests.

 

[ReverseHit]

This looks strange - why not play Tests if you are willing to go there for T20s? Surely they can't put that to security concerns.

 

[Harpoon]

Cant Pakistan home games not also be played in Sri Lanka? UAE is always going to be expensive, also has garbage pitches.

That was an option when there was a security issue. That is not the case anymore. All teams must now play in Pakistan. That's our home ground. Not UAE and not SL.

 

[Mainul]

BD should have responded positively. I don't know what is the security contingent report though.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

1. All pak home series are played on neutral grounds by SENA countries. BD too can demand.

Apples to oranges comparison. SENA countries, even West Indies or Ireland, will clarify when and where exactly a PAK home series is planned to be played before signing onto the FTP. There is no indication that the BCB did any of that, they just signed the paper without doing any due diligence or asking for any clarity. They cannot now make demands after the fact.

2.Yes i will call BD a minnow when posters will big up Fizz as being better than any Indian fast bowler or how Mushfiqur is better than Dhoni or how Bcci trapped Shakib else BD would have won the test series in India.

There is no one that is currently big upping Fizz as being better than any Indian fast bowler. That is a figment of your paranoia.

There were some, including myself, big upping Fizz circa 2016 back before the emergency of Bumrah, the reinvention of Sharma, Bhuvi, and Umesh, and the consistency of Shami. At that time, the list of world class Indian quicks in 40 years of modern cricket was hilariously short - perhaps 3 or 4 names long (Zaheer, Srinath, Kapil). So you'd have to pardon anyone for doing that.

But the Indian seam attack of the last 2-3 years has been one of the very best in the world with only the Australian attack that could possibly be considered superior.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not really. It seems like PCB has a new policy now, created in the last few weeks, that wasn't there when other teams were visiting.

Will this policy apply to SENA boards?

 

[lahoriyah1234]

Pakistan should play test series with them in uae or in any other neutral country , you cant force anyone to come play when they dont want to. Pakistan need to play a lot of tesr cricket , where ever it is payed.

Kyon Bhai, do we always want to be Board that has no respect or saying left in the cricketing world body. I am all up for BD to refuse but 1 thing must stands now, we are not going to play any of our home series on neutral grounds. We cant let Bangladesh dictate us. They should remember what we did for them in ICC.

 

[dildilpak]

Will Bangladesh refuse to travel to NZ too even after what happened to them in Christchurch? If not, what are their grounds for refusing to tour Pakistan? IMO, PCB should not budge from their stance & accommodate Bangladesh - that would be the death knell for any potential visit from any SENA country in the near future.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Lets be adult about it...invite them for T20s. .
Tests can come later, when ever they're ready.
No need to play tests in UAE, thats a step backwards.

it is a step forward and in the right direction.. When SRL can play and say it is safe for cricket in pakistan + ICC security team to host Tests in Pakistan + BCB have sent their u-16 , u-19 and women's team and refusing not to send seniors team is foolish on them...

Everyone knew that they are backed by BCCI and follow whatever the orders they get from their masters in BCCI...

 

[ahsan17]

Will this policy apply to SENA boards?

Yes, Wasim Khan has made that clear. They will ask them for clear reason why they can't tour Pakistan. If it's security concern, they have the hard data to prove that Pakistan is as safe or even safer than when teams used to regularly tour Pakistan. They can also point to succesful tours by other teams.

 

[Titan24]

Yes, Wasim Khan has made that clear. They will ask them for clear reason why they can't tour Pakistan. If it's security concern, they have the hard data to prove that Pakistan is as safe or even safer than when teams used to regularly tour Pakistan. They can also point to succesful tours by other teams.

Excellent.