Bank manager shot dead by security guard allegedly over blasphemy in Punjab's Khushab

[MenInG]

A bank manager was shot dead by its security guard allegedly over blasphemy allegations in Punjab's Khushab district on Wednesday, police and relatives said.

Malik Imran Hanif, the manager of the National Bank of Pakistan branch in Quaidabad tehsil of Khushab, was shifted to a local hospital after he was shot by the guard from a rifle. Due to his critical injuries, he was taken to Lahore where he succumbed to his wounds at the Services Hospital.

Khushab District Police Officer (DPO) retired Capt Tariq Wilayat told Dawn it would be premature to comment on the motive behind the murder, but confirmed that the security guard, who was arrested after the incident, had claimed to have killed Hanif over blasphemy.

In a video of the suspect that was shared on social media, the guard could be heard saying that the deceased manager had "insulted the prophet".

DPO Wilayat said police were investigating the incident. Quoting initial reports, he said the security guard and the manager had been quarrelling for some time. The guard was reportedly fired a few months ago; he was subsequently rehired and had an argument with Hanif a few days ago, the officer added.

Speaking to Dawn, police sources also expressed doubt over the guard's claim that he had killed the manager over blasphemy. They suggested that the guard had committed the murder due to personal grievances.

Another guard of the bank branch, Razaq, was ending his night shift when the incident took place. He said the suspected killer had started duty at 7am, while the manager arrived at the bank around 8:40am.

Razaq said he was changing his uniform when he heard the sound of gunfire. He said he rushed towards the bank office, where the suspect had fired two shots. He said he stopped the suspect from firing a third shot.

Razaq further said he had not heard any conversation between the manager and the suspect before the killing took place.

No first information report (FIR) of the incident has been registered as yet. Police said they would lodge the FIR upon receiving a complaint from the deceased's family, who were transporting his body back to Khushab from Lahore. A post-mortem was likely to take place in Khushab.

Videos shared on Twitter showed the guard being greeted by a crowd of supporters after killing the manager. The security guard and the mob then raised slogans as they walked on the street.

The suspect was then joined by the leaders of a religious group, all of whom raised slogans and addressed supporters from the rooftop of the Quaidabad Police Station. Police personnel could be seen standing nearby recording videos.

In another video, a maternal uncle of the deceased manager stated that the security guard had shot dead Hanif due to a personal issue. He denied the suspect's claim that Hanif had insulted any prophet, saying they were Muslims and not Ahmadis. He demanded that the murder be investigated on merit and the suspect be brought to justice.

Human rights groups say blasphemy laws are often misused to persecute minorities or even against Muslims to settle personal rivalries. Such accusations can end up in lynchings or street vigilantism.

Up to 80 people are known to be imprisoned in the country on such charges — half of whom face life in prison or the death penalty — according to the US Commission on International Religious Freedom.

In July, a US citizen of Pakistani origin on trial over blasphemy allegations in Peshawar was shot dead in a courtroom by a teenager who told bystanders he killed him for insulting the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

https://www.dawn.com/news/1588614/b...d-allegedly-over-blasphemy-in-punjabs-khushab

 

[gani999]

How sad!

I wonder if personal enmity or other factors play a role in such cases, and the blasphemy is used as an excuse by the assailant to get sympathy?

After all, the dead man can't defend himself, so one can never know the other side of the story.

 

[Syed1]

How sad!

I wonder if personal enmity or other factors play a role in such cases, and the blasphemy is used as an excuse by the assailant to get sympathy?

After all, the dead man can't defend himself, so one can never know the other side of the story.

From the OP:

DPO Wilayat said police were investigating the incident. Quoting initial reports, he said the security guard and the manager had been quarrelling for some time. The guard was reportedly fired a few months ago; he was subsequently rehired and had an argument with Hanif a few days ago, the officer added.

Speaking to Dawn, police sources also expressed doubt over the guard's claim that he had killed the manager over blasphemy. They suggested that the guard had committed the murder due to personal grievances.

Another guard of the bank branch, Razaq, was ending his night shift when the incident took place. He said the suspected killer had started duty at 7am, while the manager arrived at the bank around 8:40am.

Razaq said he was changing his uniform when he heard the sound of gunfire. He said he rushed towards the bank office, where the suspect had fired two shots. He said he stopped the suspect from firing a third shot.

Razaq further said he had not heard any conversation between the manager and the suspect before the killing took place.

 

[Giannis]

Rip

 

[El Generico]

Speaking to Dawn, police sources also expressed doubt over the guard's claim that he had killed the manager over blasphemy. They suggested that the guard had committed the murder due to personal grievances.

This could be a case of the killer hiding the real motive and using blasphemy as a cover.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

The guy looks so proud of himself.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Alert?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Alert</a A security guard at a branch of National Bank of Pakistan in Punjab has killed the bank's branch manager, accusing him of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/blasphemy?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#blasphemy</a> after a heated argument. <br><br>Crowds greet the guard with slogans, praising the murder & calling for death for anyone who blasphemes <a href="https://t.co/8zNB5xDbRp">pic.twitter.com/8zNB5xDbRp</a></p>— South Asia Press (@SouthAsiaPress) <a href="https://twitter.com/SouthAsiaPress/status/1323938588606763009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Nadeemp]

The guy looks so proud of himself.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Alert?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Alert</a A security guard at a branch of National Bank of Pakistan in Punjab has killed the bank's branch manager, accusing him of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/blasphemy?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#blasphemy</a> after a heated argument. <br><br>Crowds greet the guard with slogans, praising the murder & calling for death for anyone who blasphemes <a href="https://t.co/8zNB5xDbRp">pic.twitter.com/8zNB5xDbRp</a></p>— South Asia Press (@SouthAsiaPress) <a href="https://twitter.com/SouthAsiaPress/status/1323938588606763009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Just woooow

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Those sumbag mullahs who have brain washed the public into believing that such barbaric acts of violence are inline with the Islamic guidance, and a red carpet cosmic welcome is awaiting for such criminals, "THOSE MULLAHS" need to be hanged in the public, before we give any punishment to criminals like this security guard.

THOSE MULLAHS are the actual cause of all this barbarism.

There may be one or two genuine Islamic scholars left in the country, but from the rest, I think any fake Mullah who in his sermons promotes such acts of violence should be shot at spot.

This security guard is not the only one, there could be 100 of brain washed potential fanatics in the country. A country that ranks 120 on the scale of corruption, where bribery, haram khori, deception, lies, cheating, scheming, deceiving, pedophilia, and child labor is rampant. A country where the public has turned the entire landscape to look like a huge trash pile while the beloved prophet (saw) said, "Cleanliness is half of the Islamic faith. And in the same country, "The ashiqaans" are ready to take innocent lives. What an irony!

 

[miandadrules]

What a barbaric culture we have festered.

 

[Zeshan547]

Those sumbag mullahs who have brain washed the public into believing that such barbaric acts of violence are inline with the Islamic guidance, and a red carpet cosmic welcome is awaiting for such criminals, "THOSE MULLAHS" need to be hanged in the public, before we give any punishment to criminals like this security guard.

THOSE MULLAHS are the actual cause of all this barbarism.

There may be one or two genuine Islamic scholars left in the country, but from the rest, I think any fake Mullah who in his sermons promotes such acts of violence should be shot at spot.

This security guard is not the only one, there could be 100 of brain washed potential fanatics in the country. A country that ranks 120 on the scale of corruption, where bribery, haram khori, deception, lies, cheating, scheming, deceiving, pedophilia, and child labor is rampant. A country where the public has turned the entire landscape to look like a huge trash pile while the beloved prophet (saw) said, "Cleanliness is half of the Islamic faith. And in the same country, "The ashiqaans" are ready to take innocent lives. What an irony!

We are the biggest hypocrite nation on the face of earth, and only military can put these Mullahs in place but sadly they also use these Mullahs for their vested interests. Konsa Islam and konsa Ishq e Rasool hai ye, We have too many ignorant fools with too much power, just a recipe for disaster. And this is growing like a cancer without any cure possible.

 

[saeedhk]

I was about to post about this disgusting incident.

The manager was killed because he said that farz namaaz was mandatory only and if people skip sunnat namaz/rakaats, it is fine. The guards also tells that the manager said that Prophet Mohammad PBUH was a human being - the Prophet had no power over worldly affairs and that everything happened because of Allah. There is nothing wrong in this belief! The level of illiteracy, barbarity and violence in Pakistan is on a different level.

 

[saeedhk]

When I say that Pakistan, on the whole, is a very extremist society, people get upset!

 

[Nadeemp]

Religion should be private matter

 

[saeedhk]

The killer gave a speech, while standing on the rooftop of the local police station, to a large mob who were chanting,'Behead those who insult the Prophet Mohammad PBUH.'

 

[Ertugrul_Bey]

That is a men made law and must be abolished. It’s insane how innocent people are losing their lives to these ignorant fools in the name of religion. I bet 99% of these fools don’t even pray.

 

[miandadrules]

I was about to post about this disgusting incident.

The manager was killed because he said that farz namaaz was mandatory only and if people skip sunnat namaz/rakaats, it is fine. The guards also tells that the manager said that Prophet Mohammad PBUH was a human being - the Prophet had no power over worldly affairs and that everything happened because of Allah. There is nothing wrong in this belief! The level of illiteracy, barbarity and violence in Pakistan is on a different level.

If you apostatise - thus reject the word of the “almighty” you have three days to repent.

If you blaspheme against the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) you’re probably not going to around for much longer.

But Muslims state they only worship the one true God.

Paradoxical?

 

[saeedhk]

If you apostatise - thus reject the word of the “almighty” you have three days to repent.

If you blaspheme against the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) you’re probably not going to around for much longer.

But Muslims state they only worship the one true God.

Paradoxical?

There was no blasphemy involved. Whatever the poor dead man said is in line with the teaching of Islam.

 

[saeedhk]

The FB page of the deceased is full of Islamic verses and hadiths. He was a true ashiq-e-rasool.

It is so depressing! When will this madness end?

 

[Nadeemp]

The FB page of the deceased is full of Islamic verses and hadiths. He was a true ashiq-e-rasool.

It is so depressing! When will this madness end?

Is the security guard in jail?

 

[srh]

A bank manager was shot dead by its security guard allegedly over blasphemy allegations in Punjab's Khushab district on Wednesday, police and relatives said.

Malik Imran Hanif, the manager of the National Bank of Pakistan branch in Quaidabad tehsil of Khushab, was shifted to a local hospital after he was shot by the guard from a rifle. Due to his critical injuries, he was taken to Lahore where he succumbed to his wounds at the Services Hospital.

Khushab District Police Officer (DPO) retired Capt Tariq Wilayat told Dawn it would be premature to comment on the motive behind the murder, but confirmed that the security guard, who was arrested after the incident, had claimed to have killed Hanif over blasphemy.

In a video of the suspect that was shared on social media, the guard could be heard saying that the deceased manager had "insulted the prophet".

DPO Wilayat said police were investigating the incident. Quoting initial reports, he said the security guard and the manager had been quarrelling for some time. The guard was reportedly fired a few months ago; he was subsequently rehired and had an argument with Hanif a few days ago, the officer added.

Speaking to Dawn, police sources also expressed doubt over the guard's claim that he had killed the manager over blasphemy. They suggested that the guard had committed the murder due to personal grievances.

Another guard of the bank branch, Razaq, was ending his night shift when the incident took place. He said the suspected killer had started duty at 7am, while the manager arrived at the bank around 8:40am.

Razaq said he was changing his uniform when he heard the sound of gunfire. He said he rushed towards the bank office, where the suspect had fired two shots. He said he stopped the suspect from firing a third shot.

Razaq further said he had not heard any conversation between the manager and the suspect before the killing took place.

No first information report (FIR) of the incident has been registered as yet. Police said they would lodge the FIR upon receiving a complaint from the deceased's family, who were transporting his body back to Khushab from Lahore. A post-mortem was likely to take place in Khushab.

Videos shared on Twitter showed the guard being greeted by a crowd of supporters after killing the manager. The security guard and the mob then raised slogans as they walked on the street.

The suspect was then joined by the leaders of a religious group, all of whom raised slogans and addressed supporters from the rooftop of the Quaidabad Police Station. Police personnel could be seen standing nearby recording videos.

In another video, a maternal uncle of the deceased manager stated that the security guard had shot dead Hanif due to a personal issue. He denied the suspect's claim that Hanif had insulted any prophet, saying they were Muslims and not Ahmadis. He demanded that the murder be investigated on merit and the suspect be brought to justice.

Human rights groups say blasphemy laws are often misused to persecute minorities or even against Muslims to settle personal rivalries. Such accusations can end up in lynchings or street vigilantism.

Up to 80 people are known to be imprisoned in the country on such charges — half of whom face life in prison or the death penalty — according to the US Commission on International Religious Freedom.

In July, a US citizen of Pakistani origin on trial over blasphemy allegations in Peshawar was shot dead in a courtroom by a teenager who told bystanders he killed him for insulting the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

https://www.dawn.com/news/1588614/b...d-allegedly-over-blasphemy-in-punjabs-khushab

That is a men made law and must be abolished. It’s insane how innocent people are losing their lives to these ignorant fools in the name of religion. I bet 99% of these fools don’t even pray.

This murder did not happen because of blasphemy law. It happened in spite of blasphemy law.

The blasphemy law was created to stop these types of murders. I know in an ideal society you would not need these types of laws but South Asia is different and you need these type of laws to regulate society there. As per the blasphemy law, if you feel somebody disrespect Islam then you file a complaint, then investigation will occur and due action will be taken. But in this case the security guard did not care about the blasphemy law and took the life of accused himself. The blasphemy law is not the issue here, its the people who are not obeying it and taking the matters in their own hands.

The security guard here should get death penalty even if he is telling the truth that the bank manager disrespected Islam. You simply cannot be judge, jury and executioner.

 

[saeedhk]

This murder did not happen because of blasphemy law. It happened in spite of blasphemy law.

The blasphemy law was created to stop these types of murders. I know in an ideal society you would not need these types of laws but South Asia is different and you need these type of laws to regulate society there. As per the blasphemy law, if you feel somebody disrespect Islam then you file a complaint, then investigation will occur and due action will be taken. But in this case the security guard did not care about the blasphemy law and took the life of accused himself. The blasphemy law is not the issue here, its the people who are not obeying it and taking the matters in their own hands.

The security guard here should get death penalty even if he is telling the truth that the bank manager disrespected Islam. You simply cannot be judge, jury and executioner.

There was no blasphemy involved. There is a video of the killer saying he killed the manager because the manager said sunnat rakaats are not necessary!

 

[saeedhk]

Is the security guard in jail?

Probably not. The mob rescued him from the police station. The last video of the killer is of him sipping tea and telling the cameraman that he killed the manager because he said sunnat rakaats are not necessary.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Looks like there is a competition going on in Pakistan about who can be the biggest Aashiq-e-Rasool.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

When I say that Pakistan, on the whole, is a very extremist society, people get upset!

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Truth is often painful.

And people who criticize their country with good intentions are often villified and called traitors.

But time proves them right.

It always does.

Thank you for being the amazing poster that you are.

 

[angrypathan]

How many more citizens will we lose to this barbarity?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Those sumbag mullahs who have brain washed the public into believing that such barbaric acts of violence are inline with the Islamic guidance, and a red carpet cosmic welcome is awaiting for such criminals, "THOSE MULLAHS" need to be hanged in the public, before we give any punishment to criminals like this security guard.

THOSE MULLAHS are the actual cause of all this barbarism.

There may be one or two genuine Islamic scholars left in the country, but from the rest, I think any fake Mullah who in his sermons promotes such acts of violence should be shot at spot.

This security guard is not the only one, there could be 100 of brain washed potential fanatics in the country. A country that ranks 120 on the scale of corruption, where bribery, haram khori, deception, lies, cheating, scheming, deceiving, pedophilia, and child labor is rampant. A country where the public has turned the entire landscape to look like a huge trash pile while the beloved prophet (saw) said, "Cleanliness is half of the Islamic faith. And in the same country, "The ashiqaans" are ready to take innocent lives. What an irony!

Did any mullahs actually give their verdict that this killing was ok? I had assumed the whole point of having Sharia was that there is supposed to be some sort of judiciary process. Otherwise what's to stop random people killing whoever they have a dispute with and then claiming they committed blasphemy?

 

[globalcitizen]

Is it like a honour if someone kills another for blasphemy? You can see others were literally falling to his feet almost like they are inspired by the act. You can see how much ignorance is there in this one video.
It’s high time people are educated on these things and it should come from the top

 

[Madplayer]

Disgusting that so many people are coming out in support. Most of these people wouldnt even know what had actually happened. They probably just heard it from somewhere and without waiting for any enquiry or anything, came out in defense of the murderer. Appaling.

 

[saeedhk]

I bet my bottom dollar PM Imran Khan will never post about this on twitter. He is rather busy about posting on Nazi India instead.

He is busy teaching Modi how to treat Indian minorities.

 

[Varun]

Only people who are insecure about their religion would kill in the name of their God supposedly being insulted.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Disgusting that so many people are coming out in support. Most of these people wouldnt even know what had actually happened. They probably just heard it from somewhere and without waiting for any enquiry or anything, came out in defense of the murderer. Appaling.

Well that is the third world for you, mob law and ignorance are pretty widespread across poorly developed regions.

 

[Zaz]

Only way to solve this issue is to educate the population and raise the standard of living

The high number of illiterates in the country is at the root of this issue

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Did any mullahs actually give their verdict that this killing was ok? I had assumed the whole point of having Sharia was that there is supposed to be some sort of judiciary process. Otherwise what's to stop random people killing whoever they have a dispute with and then claiming they committed blasphemy?

Come on majority of mullahs intice people to murder anyone who raise a finger against their narrative. Most of the mullahs supported Mumtaz Qadri when he killed Salman Tasir. You can not fight the extremism untill you start countering and fighting the disgusting narrative of most of the pakistani mullahs(shouldn't even be called scholars)

I've watched tons of mullahs and most of them spew nothing but hatred. Some who dont are comedians like Tariq Jameel who neither have the knowledge or courage to stand up to these mullahs.

It is also sad that scholars like Javed Ghamidi have to leave Pakistan for security reasons.

 

[saeedhk]

Come on majority of mullahs intice people to murder anyone who raise a finger against their narrative. Most of the mullahs supported Mumtaz Qadri when he killed Salman Tasir. You can not fight the extremism untill you start countering and fighting the disgusting narrative of most of the pakistani mullahs(shouldn't even be called scholars)

I've watched tons of mullahs and most of them spew nothing but hatred. Some who dont are comedians like Tariq Jameel who neither have the knowledge or courage to stand up to these mullahs.

It is also sad that scholars like Javed Ghamidi have to leave Pakistan for security reasons.

Ghamdi is a sane and progressive voice. Unfortunately, if you are tolerant, progressive and peaceful, you cannot live in Pakistan. All such people have to flee the country!

 

[Itachi]

Only way to solve this issue is to educate the population and raise the standard of living

The high number of illiterates in the country is at the root of this issue

Are you saying poverty is the criteria which makes the moral compass go abysmal? Are you saying most poor people are immoral?

You might have the cushion of living a comfortable standard of living but that doesn't mean poor people will act immoral just because they don't have money.

The insult towards the unfortunate section of the people in society is disgusting.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Come on majority of mullahs intice people to murder anyone who raise a finger against their narrative. Most of the mullahs supported Mumtaz Qadri when he killed Salman Tasir. You can not fight the extremism untill you start countering and fighting the disgusting narrative of most of the pakistani mullahs(shouldn't even be called scholars)

I've watched tons of mullahs and most of them spew nothing but hatred. Some who dont are comedians like Tariq Jameel who neither have the knowledge or courage to stand up to these mullahs.

It is also sad that scholars like Javed Ghamidi have to leave Pakistan for security reasons.

I have no problem if you want to have a general rant about mullahs, many of them will no doubt deserve it, but all I am asking is, was this murder actually incited by a mullah as was implicated by the poster?

As I said earlier, must be an easy way to get rid of someone if you can just shout blasphemy, can imagine it would be a good way to settle feuds or profit from getting rid of a business rival.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Only way to solve this issue is to educate the population and raise the standard of living

The high number of illiterates in the country is at the root of this issue

True. This is the only solution. Any legislation or amendment to the laws is not feasible. One must look for the long term solution.

 

[Zaz]

Are you saying poverty is the criteria which makes the moral compass go abysmal? Are you saying most poor people are immoral?

You might have the cushion of living a comfortable standard of living but that doesn't mean poor people will act immoral just because they don't have money.

The insult towards the unfortunate section of the people in society is disgusting.

You need to calm down and read again what ive wrote

Ive not said anywhere poverty makes people immoral it doesnt

But It is just a fact that illiteracy and backward views go hand in hand because of a lack of accurate education on the topic

You are what you are molded into and most avge people live in rural areas and possess little education apart from what the local foaming mullah has taught them from a young age

Its not the peoples fault Youve got to raise their standard of living and as a result their education for them to know these barbaric acts are not acceptable in the religion of islam and to not support them or people that commit them

 

[Madplayer]

Well that is the third world for you, mob law and ignorance are pretty widespread across poorly developed regions.

Yes but why doesnt anyone tell them that Islam doesnt allow vigilante justice?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yes but why doesnt anyone tell them that Islam doesnt allow vigilante justice?

I think ultimately the state has to take responsibility, law and order is after all a matter for the relevant authorities. If clerics are inciting mob then they should be charged for doing so. Should they be guiding the public that Islam doesn't allow vigilante justice? Yes they should, but not sure if that is currently an enforceable edict. The govt needs to be taking a firmer role to ensure religious organisations are following govt protocols on law and order.

Again, that's not to suggest this attack was inspired by clerics, we haven't really heard anything to suggest it so far.

 

[Madplayer]

I think ultimately the state has to take responsibility, law and order is after all a matter for the relevant authorities. If clerics are inciting mob then they should be charged for doing so. Should they be guiding the public that Islam doesn't allow vigilante justice? Yes they should, but not sure if that is currently an enforceable edict. The govt needs to be taking a firmer role to ensure religious organisations are following govt protocols on law and order.

Again, that's not to suggest this attack was inspired by clerics, we haven't really heard anything to suggest it so far.

I understand this particular case might not be a genuine case of murder due to blasphemy. However, do you see the contradiction of the mob here? They are willing to break one Islamic principle in order to show how much they love some other aspect of Islam.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I understand this particular case might not be a genuine case of murder due to blasphemy. However, do you see the contradiction of the mob here? They are willing to break one Islamic principle in order to show how much they love some other aspect of Islam.

Well that's not really a big surprise, we are talking about a country where bribery is still rampant. When the law enforcement officials can be bought, then that tells you that money comes first, Islam trails in a distant second.

 

[srh]

Yes but why doesnt anyone tell them that Islam doesnt allow vigilante justice?

there will always be lone wolves muslims who will not follow Islam's principles in these matters and act on what they feel like. Did you forgot how 4th caliph Hazrat Ali (RAA) was martyred? It was done by a muslim who think he was more pious and Hazrat Ali (RAA) was not nauzbillah.
And this is not only related to a specific religion. Look at India how many innocents have been killed there in the name of religion.

 

[saeedhk]

there will always be lone wolves muslims who will not follow Islam's principles in these matters and act on what they feel like. Did you forgot how 4th caliph Hazrat Ali (RAA) was martyred? It was done by a muslim who think he was more pious and Hazrat Ali (RAA) was not nauzbillah.
And this is not only related to a specific religion. Look at India how many innocents have been killed there in the name of religion.

The problem is clerics encourage such actions and most Pakistanis condone such actions. It is not a limited or small minority that believes it is a must to behead anybody who commits blasphemy.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The problem is clerics encourage such actions and most Pakistanis condone such actions. It is not a limited or small minority that believes it is a must to behead anybody who commits blasphemy.

The guard was quarrelling with the bank manager, he had previous bust up with him, was fired and then re-hired before this latest dispute. I don't really see where mullahs or beheadings fit into this picture. Even the police are saying this seems to have been a personal conflict and don't believe the blasphemy angle.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Did any mullahs actually give their verdict that this killing was ok? I had assumed the whole point of having Sharia was that there is supposed to be some sort of judiciary process. Otherwise what's to stop random people killing whoever they have a dispute with and then claiming they committed blasphemy?

It doesn't make sense, does it?

If person A takes the law into his own hands and he murders person B, claiming that person B committed blasphemy, but in fact person A was settling a score on personal vendetta. Now, does person A get any leniency under any law?
Mumtaz Qadri case is in front of you.

Did any law try to stop his death sentence?

At the end of the day, person A faces capital punishment if he murders someone innocents, and claims someone that they committed blasphemy or not - OR - whether there is any judiciary law in place or not.

Even if we remove the law (which we should), these killings won't stop, in my opinion.
You would be too ambitious to think otherwise.

The major problem is not the law and the major problem is not misusing the law - the problem is in the head of these scumbags.


This security guard has been brainwashed to a point where he doesn't care what the law is? And there may be many others like him. And who brainwashed him? That's what you need to ponder upon.

I thought the reaction of the crowd was a clear indicator that how deep the ignorance has been widespread in our society, but I see that you justified it to "mob mentality". Seriously?

Just analyze it when the brain connects these two dots that they yell on top of their lungs and rest hear it over and over again,

"Gustaakh-e-rasool (saw)"
"Hurmat-e-rasool (saw_ pe jaan bhi Qurban hai"


Taking the life of an innocent person becomes quite doable when the brain is washed away from logic, sanity, and it gets fed with wrong information.

THIS IS WHAT OUR SCHOLARS should be educating people with instead, but you will hardly find any Mullah in Pakistan, giving a sermon along these lines.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It doesn't make sense, does it?

If person A takes the law into his own hands and he murders person B, claiming that person B committed blasphemy, but in fact person A was settling a score on personal vendetta. Now, does person A get any leniency under any law?
Mumtaz Qadri case is in front of you.

Did any law try to stop his death sentence?

At the end of the day, person A faces capital punishment if he murders someone innocents, and claims someone that they committed blasphemy or not - OR - whether there is any judiciary law in place or not.

Even if we remove the law (which we should), these killings won't stop, in my opinion.
You would be too ambitious to think otherwise.

The major problem is not the law and the major problem is not misusing the law - the problem is in the head of these scumbags.


This security guard has been brainwashed to a point where he doesn't care what the law is? And there may be many others like him. And who brainwashed him? That's what you need to ponder upon.

I thought the reaction of the crowd was a clear indicator that how deep the ignorance has been widespread in our society, but I see that you justified it to "mob mentality". Seriously?

Just analyze it when the brain connects these two dots that they yell on top of their lungs and rest hear it over and over again,

"Gustaakh-e-rasool (saw)"
"Hurmat-e-rasool (saw_ pe jaan bhi Qurban hai"


Taking the life of an innocent person becomes quite doable when the brain is washed away from logic, sanity, and it gets fed with wrong information.

THIS IS WHAT OUR SCHOLARS should be educating people with instead, but you will hardly find any Mullah in Pakistan, giving a sermon along these lines.

Please read my reply above this post.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Please read my reply above this post.

I did.
The guard may have previous altercations with him, but why? Did you give it a thought?

In Pakistan, these low level job holders don't mess up with their bosses on small matters.

And my opinion is, the manager had a set of believes about the prophet (saw), that did not sit well with this insane man. So they may have a history that build up the anger. And eventually, his insane brain got out of control.

He was lucky to be rehired by the same manager otherwise, the manager would've dumped him for good.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I did.
The guard may have previous altercations with him, but why? Did you give it a thought?

In Pakistan, these low level job holders don't mess up with their bosses on small matters.

And my opinion is, the manager had a set of believes about the prophet (saw), that did not sit well with this insane man. So they may have a history that build up the anger. And eventually, his insane brain got out of control.

He was lucky to be rehired by the same manager otherwise, the manager would've dumped him for good.

That's all well and good but speculation and jumping to conclusions based on your own personal suspicions is also unislamic. What you want here is the detail, some evidence and then you can form an opinion. Not really fair to say "wow this guy has shot his bank manager and shouted blasphemy so it's some random mullah's fault!"

You want to vent on mullahs in general, be my guest and start a new thread, but better not to confuse matters on this one until we know a bit more about the case.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

The insane amount of time and energy they spent in Pakistan in STUPID and sentimental arguments like,

"Whether the prophet (saw) was bashar or noor"?
"Whether he (saw) is hazir or ghaib"?

These heated arguments reach to a point where the difference in opinion results in personal vendetta, malice, enmity and sometimes blood bath.

These people have totally lost it.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

That's all well and good but speculation and jumping to conclusions based on your own personal suspicions is also unislamic. What you want here is the detail, some evidence and then you can form an opinion. Not really fair to say "wow this guy has shot his bank manager and shouted blasphemy so it's some random mullah's fault!"

You want to vent on mullahs in general, be my guest and start a new thread, but better not to confuse matters on this one until we know a bit more about the case.

You are doing the same.
Without any evidence, you are speculating that he tried to settle a personal score.

Again, if the crowd's reaction could not convince you then perhaps nothing else will.

When Mumtaz Qadri was sentenced to death, there were millions of Rs poured in overnight to arrange for Qasas money. You should wonder, why the awaam is so sentimental and has gotten insane about it?

 

[AMSS]

Managers across pakistan making mental notes never to deny a security guard his break.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You are doing the same.
Without any evidence, you are speculating that he tried to settle a personal score.

Again, if the crowd's reaction could not convince you then perhaps nothing else will.

When Mumtaz Qadri was sentenced to death, there were millions of Rs poured in overnight to arrange for Qasas money. You should wonder, why the awaam is so sentimental and has gotten insane about it?

Actually I'm just basing my view on what was published in the OP article. I'm not saying it's correct, but it's the only information I have. Crowd reaction doesn't mean much to me either, I have seen crowds going on the rampage on facebook content in the SC. Ditto Qadri and numerous other instances, if you want a general complaint about ignorance or mullahs, up to you, but I was looking at this case and trying to establish the facts without prejudice.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Actually I'm just basing my view on what was published in the OP article. I'm not saying it's correct, but it's the only information I have. Crowd reaction doesn't mean much to me either, I have seen crowds going on the rampage on facebook content in the SC. Ditto Qadri and numerous other instances, if you want a general complaint about ignorance or mullahs, up to you, but I was looking at this case and trying to establish the facts without prejudice.

Yep, I understand and don't disagree with your train of thoughts based on the report.
My view was also based on the news where it was reported that the manager had a certain view on the existence of the prophet (saw) where the manager believed the prophet was a bashar and not noor. And he (saw) was only a human and had no say over God's decision - and this irked the security guard.

Whether this piece of news is true or not, we don't know.

But I am still baffled at your justification of crowd reaction.

You asked

Did any mullahs actually give their verdict that this killing was ok?

No, perhaps there is no official verdict by any Mullah (because they know it will make them land in hot water) but the demeanor is there, which you apparently are not ready to perceive.

The suspect was then joined by the leaders of a religious group, all of whom raised slogans and addressed supporters from the rooftop of the Quaidabad Police Station.

 

[Nadeemp]

The hardest thing to see is what is in front of your eyes

 

[Markhor]

Not only should the killer be hanged, but also the mullahs who radicalised this man and fill the minds of millions with poison.

What's worse are the people applauding this thug as some hero, just like the folks who filled the streets after Mumtaz Qadri's deserved sentence. This is how deep the extremist rot has seeped in. The founders of Pakistan would be shocked at how radicalised the post-Bhutto/Zia generation has become.

 

[Nadeemp]

Not only should the killer be hanged, but also the mullahs who radicalised this man and fill the minds of millions with poison.

What's worse are the people applauding this thug as some hero, just like the folks who filled the streets after Mumtaz Qadri's deserved sentence. This is how deep the extremist rot has seeped in. The founders of Pakistan would be shocked at how radicalised the post-Bhutto/Zia generation has become.

I think pakistanis need to relearn everything from scratch.

 

[Abdullah719]

Videos shared on Twitter showed the guard being greeted by a crowd of supporters after killing the manager. The security guard and the mob then raised slogans as they walked on the street.

Quite alarming…

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">مقتول بنک مینجر عمران حنیف کی نماز جنازہ کے موقع پر علامہ صاحب کی دبنگ تقریر ۔۔۔ نماز جنازہ میں ہر طبقہ فکر کے لوگ کثیر تعداد میں شریک ہوئے <a href="https://t.co/mU8MktjXlo">pic.twitter.com/mU8MktjXlo</a></p>— С.А. Гондал (@SA_Gondal) <a href="https://twitter.com/SA_Gondal/status/1324393917480116225?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

A man was murdered for nothing. Deplorable and despicable act. May Allah subhanaho wa taala grant the deceased a high rank in Jannah and the murderer may get justice for the heinous act that he has committed.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yep, I understand and don't disagree with your train of thoughts based on the report.
My view was also based on the news where it was reported that the manager had a certain view on the existence of the prophet (saw) where the manager believed the prophet was a bashar and not noor. And he (saw) was only a human and had no say over God's decision - and this irked the security guard.

Whether this piece of news is true or not, we don't know.

But I am still baffled at your justification of crowd reaction.

You asked



No, perhaps there is no official verdict by any Mullah (because they know it will make them land in hot water) but the demeanor is there, which you apparently are not ready to perceive.

To be fair I only skimmed over the article, had to go back and re-read it to see the part you highlighted. That is indeed disgraceful that someone who is supposed to be of religious learning was prepared to join in mob law, far worse than the actual crime in my view as you have lower expectations of rank and file public.

 

[Vegitto1]

Biggest defence to Murder in Pakistan, accuse the victim of Blasphemy and not only do you avoid murder charge, you turn into a local/national hero. - Let me note that down for future reference lol

 

[Syed1]

Biggest defence to Murder in Pakistan, accuse the victim of Blasphemy and not only do you avoid murder charge, you turn into a local/national hero. - Let me note that down for future reference lol

No people saw through his ruse

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Biggest defence to Murder in Pakistan, accuse the victim of Blasphemy and not only do you avoid murder charge, you turn into a local/national hero. - Let me note that down for future reference lol

Yep, you probably do become a "hero" for some brain washed Jahils, but that is short lived.

And then, we already witnessed the end of Mumtaz Qadri, and I am hoping the same will happen to this security guard. So, no, you don't avoid murder charges.