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Batters giving themselves out - are you in favour of that?

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Watched Sohaib Maqsood walk off - not waiting for the umpire's decision.

I am not sure if that is so smart.

What if there was doubt and decision could have come his way - especially in a tight situation.

Also wonder if he would have done this if Pakistan were 20 runs away from target?


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Yes I am. It saves time in a sport where so much time is already wasted. Even if he’s not out, it’s the batsman’s own decision.
 
Think it is irresponsible behaviour.

You as a batsman get one chance and to deprive yourself and your side of that one chance which could change the course of the game is silly.
 
Think it is irresponsible behaviour.

You as a batsman get one chance and to deprive yourself and your side of that one chance which could change the course of the game is silly.

He knew he was out and there was no escape unless it was a no ball so why should he waste the time? I think players should now leave the crease if they edge and the review is available for the other team.
 
He knew he was out and there was no escape unless it was a no ball so why should he waste the time? I think players should now leave the crease if they edge and the review is available for the other team.

How did he know? he was lunging forward and probably had a feeling but he could have taken the chance of staying on and be adjudged not out.
 
How did he know? he was lunging forward and probably had a feeling but he could have taken the chance of staying on and be adjudged not out.

He probably saw that he was out of the crease and decided to leave the crease.
 
Batsman shouldn't walk. Wait for umpire's decision.

If umpire makes a wrong decision, that's on umpire.
 
Batsman should never walk , let the umpire make the decision because it could also be a No Ball. In some cases, the bowler could have made a mistake and the umpire should take his time , get some confirmation from the Third Umpire and then make his decision.

Simply waiting for a couple of minutes won't harm the batting team anyway.
 
How did he know? he was lunging forward and probably had a feeling but he could have taken the chance of staying on and be adjudged not out.

If you play enough, then you can just 'feel' that crease line, and hence it's often quite clear that you didn't get back in time before the stumping.

On topic, if it's pretty obvious (a nick, run out, stumping), then there's no real reason to stand around. Even if the umpires miss the edge, the honorable thing to do is to walk off. Don't think Maqsood even walked off the field entirely, I believe he was just waiting close to the boundary lines (from what I could tell). If it turned out that he wasn't out of his crease at the time of stumping, then he'd be simply recalled.

If it's a dodgy catch, or an LBW, then it would make sense to stand your ground since you're genuinely not sure. Haris should have stood his ground and asked the Umpire about the bowling mark indicator that came off Saqib's run up, as that clearly distracted him and could potentially nullify the ball as a dead ball. Doesn't matter if it doesn't affect the end result, it's about principle.

But I'd say that's pretty irrelevant either way, since the informal protocol nowadays is that the umpires verify the dismissal regardless of what the batsman under consideration perceives it to be. And since the rule of 'not reversing the call or not recalling the batsman once they cross the boundary lines' has been redacted, you can always be recalled even if you're sitting in the dressing room, and the next ball hasn't been bowled (iirc).
 
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Why are umpires getting paid? Its their job to make a decision. I have never seen a bowler calling a batsman back if he is given out falsely. Pretty funny to see people label the batsman a cheat if he doesn't walk(even if there is no appeal).
Even if there is an appeal umpire should be the one making the decision
 
Why are umpires getting paid? Its their job to make a decision. I have never seen a bowler calling a batsman back if he is given out falsely. Pretty funny to see people label the batsman a cheat if he doesn't walk(even if there is no appeal).
Even if there is an appeal umpire should be the one making the decision

How would bowler know if the batsmen is out or not? And it has happened on a few occasions where captain brought back the player
 
The square leg umpire always asks for the 3rd man whenever a team appeals for a stumping, and most batsmen know whether their feet are in or out the crease. He knew he was out, so what’s the point in standing when you know it’ll get checked. It’s like getting caught and standing at your crease to check whether the bowlers foot is behind the line.
 
Why are umpires getting paid? Its their job to make a decision. I have never seen a bowler calling a batsman back if he is given out falsely. Pretty funny to see people label the batsman a cheat if he doesn't walk(even if there is no appeal).
Even if there is an appeal umpire should be the one making the decision

I get your point. On principle, bowlers/captains should recall if it's an absolute howler and the batting team doesn't have reviews.

It is rare, but it has happened in the past (link): Imran Khan recalls batsman back after incorrect decision

These are the kinds of things that if they took place more often, it would elevate Cricket (in terms of spirit) above other sports where flopping around/feigning injury is commonplace.
 
Cricket is the only game where this can be accepted because we take immense pride in it being a gentlemen's game.

In any other sport, no coach will accept this from his players. Imagine doing something of this sort on Football or Basketball, games that are designed to make and extract strategic fouls. The game play itself promotes amd nurtures cheating.
 
In the modern era with DRS and cameras you would look like a fool waiting for the umpires decision especially in clear case of snicking the ball, dropping a catch or even stump/ run out. More so with DRS. Even if you played gully cricket level you know when you edged the ball or dropped a catch. Back in the day it was a valid debate, some called it foolish and some called it sportsman spirit.
 
He was so close to line there is no where to be sure that nothing was behind the line. Sheer stupidity
 
How did he know? he was lunging forward and probably had a feeling but he could have taken the chance of staying on and be adjudged not out.

He knew because of experience. He's been playing cricket for years now. 500+ games.
 
Depends lol Kohli giving himself out in the world cup when he was not was just dumb. DInesh Karthik did once.
 
Depends lol Kohli giving himself out in the world cup when he was not was just dumb. DInesh Karthik did once.

Imagine Kohli or DK walking back to a pavillion where Jose Mourinho or Pep Gardiola is waiting for him after something like this.

Imagine a cricket analyst like Stephen A Smith and how he would come down on a player for doing this.

Cricket , just different as a sport.
 
Rauf walked off after being bowled when there was a case of the delivery been called a dead ball when one of the inner circle discs flew up in eye line

I mean it just seems some of these players just dont want to be out there taking responsibility and want to get out of the firing line asap
 
Depends lol Kohli giving himself out in the world cup when he was not was just dumb. DInesh Karthik did once.
It only shows that Kohli was scared of prevailing conditions as he never walks.
 
Timid, defeatist loser approach by Maqsood.

Not hungry enough to be a winner!
 
Think it is irresponsible behaviour.

You as a batsman get one chance and to deprive yourself and your side of that one chance which could change the course of the game is silly.

He wasn't truly depriving himself, he knew he was beyond the line, the replays made it clear. What would have sticking around have changed?

The bigger issue was Malan giving himself out when replays showed he had not even hit the ball :snothappy
 
He knew he was out.
He was right.

What's the issue here?
 
It only shows that Kohli was scared of prevailing conditions as he never walks.

Are you implying that every batsmen who walked were scared of prevailing conditions, including Sohaib Maqsood?
 
Are you implying that every batsmen who walked were scared of prevailing conditions, including Sohaib Maqsood?
Those who saw that 'dismissal' LIVE know what I'm talking about.

Not every batsman who walks is scared of conditions! Haven't seen Maqsood's dismissal so can't comment upon it.
 
If he had enough brain cells, he wouldn't be that thick to be stumped without coming down the track.
 
Any batsman who thinks he has definitely nicked it or has been stumped should walk.
He should only stand his ground if he is in doubt.

Having said that, Malan walked in the third ODI when he clearly hadn't nicked it so there are clear examples where the batsmen should not have walked.
 
Watched Sohaib Maqsood walk off - not waiting for the umpire's decision.

I am not sure if that is so smart.

What if there was doubt and decision could have come his way - especially in a tight situation.

Also wonder if he would have done this if Pakistan were 20 runs away from target?


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Only brave men will do it.
It's a fair play and that's what sports is all about.

If you are out and you know, and you still take on the chance for the umpire to make a mistake and don't give you out, then your sportsmanship has a question mark against it.

If you want to play sports, be a man !!
 
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