Battle of the bowling attacks, Mumbai Indians vs Islamabad United

[Max Mojito]

I started off wanting to do a full analysis of every teams bowling attack from the IPL and PSL, but considering how long that would take me I settled for this. The assumption judging from other threads is that the bowling in the PSL is of a higher quality of that of the IPL. I looked at the bowling stats of IU and did a simple comparison to last years champions the MI. The bowling attack I used from MI is the current bowling attack of this year (currently placed second last in the league), the bowling attack I used for IU is the one that won the finals.

IU
Name Average Economy
SR Patel 25.31 7.15

Mohammad Sami23.50 6.96
Shadab Khan 18.65 6.33
Faheem Ashraf 24.17 8.03
Amad Butt 25.52 10.13
Hussain Talat 33.87 8.51

IU Bowling Average 24.83
IU Economy 7.85

MI
Name Average Economy
Jasprit Bumrah 23.06 7.27

Mitchell McClenaghan 24.20 8.35
Hardik Pandya 27.37 7.76
Mustafizur Rahman 21.57 7.06
Mayank Markande 17.46 7.27
Krunal Pandya 23.73 6.94

MI Bowling Average 22.89
MI Economy 7.44


MI does have a significantly higher team average, but only a marginally higher economy. This doesn't prove that one league's bowling is more superior, it just shows both are comparable.

 

[Srtfan]

Difference between ipl batting and psl batting.

 

[Max Mojito]

The stats are from all their T20s, which include international and domestic.

 

[the Great Khan]

we'd beat them coz we're Islamabad and pakistani..end of..

 

[Send1983]

we'd beat them coz we're Islamabad and pakistani..end of..

Yes as if Pakistan beat India every time in WC.

 

[OoparCut]

One has a payroll that's what? 8 times the other?

You can compare an NBA team to a basketball team from the Russian or European leagues too. But it doesn't really mean much.

 

[HuzaifaE]

Couldn't have a more meaningless comparison if I tried

 

[barah_admi]

The stats are from all their T20s, which include international and domestic.

hahahaha what? why have you done that?

 

[sshakir411]

One has a payroll that's what? 8 times the other?

You can compare an NBA team to a basketball team from the Russian or European leagues too. But it doesn't really mean much.

8 times the payroll but similar stats only highlight that IPL is over paying these bowlers.

 

[www787]

One has a payroll that's what? 8 times the other?

You can compare an NBA team to a basketball team from the Russian or European leagues too. But it doesn't really mean much.

It is always about money for you, huh?

comparing the bowling attack, not how much player got paid.

OP used simple English to compare.

 

[Rahul1]

we'd beat them coz we're Islamabad and pakistani..end of..

What is that even supposed to mean?

 

[OoparCut]

It is always about money for you, huh?

comparing the bowling attack, not how much player got paid.

OP used simple English to compare.

Well when comparing franchise T20 teams, their respective payroll dictates what level of foreign players they'd be able to put on the field. So in this case, money is quite a massive factor.

 

[OoparCut]

8 times the payroll but similar stats only highlight that IPL is over paying these bowlers.

Not really. Its not like the PSL bowlers were bowling to the likes of ABDV, Kohli or even a KL Rahul. That's why pensioners like Mohammed Sami can still be effective.

And its well-known that the tracks that the PSL was played on, the par scores are nowhere near the ones that are normal in IPL. So obviously the bowling stats will look a lot better. Context matters a lot when you look at stats.

 

[www787]

Well when comparing franchise T20 teams, their respective payroll dictates what level of foreign players they'd be able to put on the field. So in this case, money is quite a massive factor.

I understand to you, it feels good that IPL pay more than any other league but money isn't a factor, so let's not pretend to be delusional. If it was then Shadab Khan wouldn't be number 2 ranked bowler in T20 and Bumrah would be number 2.

 

[OoparCut]

I understand to you, it feels good that IPL pay more than any other league but money isn't a factor, so let's not pretend to be delusional. If it was then Shadab Khan wouldn't be number 2 ranked bowler in T20 and Bumrah would be number 2.

Again, to correctly understand stats and rankings, you need to have a basic understanding of the subject of statistics, along with all-important context. Basic concepts like "sample set is too small" etc.

Take the example of Samuel Badree - his statistics and ranking as a T20 bowler are amazing, but no team in the IPL will even give him a contract, when they are paying so much to even rookies from Nepal.

Besides few teams take T20i games seriously outside of the world cup, and use them to 'reward' players with selection, or experiment.

 

[www787]

Again, to correctly understand stats and rankings, you need to have a basic understanding of the subject of statistics, along with all-important context. Basic concepts like "sample set is too small" etc.

Take the example of Samuel Badree - his statistics and ranking as a T20 bowler are amazing, but no team in the IPL will even give him a contract, when they are paying so much to even rookies from Nepal.

Besides few teams take T20i games seriously outside of the world cup, and use them to 'reward' players with selection, or experiment.

Again, if money was a factor then Shadab Khan wouldn't be ranked number 2 bowler in the world.

 

[sshakir411]

Not really. Its not like the PSL bowlers were bowling to the likes of ABDV, Kohli or even a KL Rahul. That's why pensioners like Mohammed Sami can still be effective.

And its well-known that the tracks that the PSL was played on, the par scores are nowhere near the ones that are normal in IPL. So obviously the bowling stats will look a lot better. Context matters a lot when you look at stats.

Not every batsman in IPL is an ABDV or Kohli...so basically this is an apples to oranges comparison which is pretty pointless unless we have similar conditions and players.

 

[OoparCut]

Again, if money was a factor then Shadab Khan wouldn't be ranked number 2 bowler in the world.

Again, the rankings are not worth the paper they are printed on. Do you think Mustafiz is a better bowler than Mohammed Amir? Do you think Glenn Maxwell is a better bowler than Sohail Tanvir or Wahab Riaz?

 

[OoparCut]

.so basically this is an apples to oranges comparison which is pretty pointless unless we have similar conditions and players.

Thank you.

 

[www787]

Again, the rankings are not worth the paper they are printed on. Do you think Mustafiz is a better bowler than Mohammed Amir? Do you think Glenn Maxwell is a better bowler than Sohail Tanvir or Wahab Riaz?

"One has a payroll that's what? 8 times the other?

You can compare an NBA team to a basketball team from the Russian or European leagues too. But it doesn't really mean much."

above is your initial comment.
so now explain, if money was a factor than Shadab Khan wouldn't be ranked number 2. And, Mohammad Amir wouldn't be in top 20.

What will be next? Any team beating India isn't significant because Indian player are paid more. It may feel good to some Indian but at the end of the day they got defeated after being paid huge sum of money.

 

[OoparCut]

"One has a payroll that's what? 8 times the other?

You can compare an NBA team to a basketball team from the Russian or European leagues too. But it doesn't really mean much."

above is your initial comment.
so now explain, if money was a factor than Shadab Khan wouldn't be ranked number 2. And, Mohammad Amir wouldn't be in top 20.

What will be next? Any team beating India isn't significant because Indian player are paid more. It may feel good to some Indian but at the end of the day they got defeated after being paid huge sum of money.

Your last sentence is pretty much a textbook example of a strawman argument.

You didn't answer my question - Is Mustafiz a better bowler than Amir? Is Glenn Maxwell better than Wahab Riaz?

 

[www787]

Your last sentence is pretty much a textbook example of a strawman argument.

You didn't answer my question - Is Mustafiz a better bowler than Amir? Is Glenn Maxwell better than Wahab Riaz?

Your initial comment was about 'money', and i asked how is money a factor. then you went on to give me stat lesson, which wasn't needed.

I repeat my question. If money was a factor then Shadab Khan wouldn't be ranked number 2 bowler.

And

If money is a factor than any team that defeat India isn't significant because Indian player are paid more than anyone else.

So, now please answer, how is money a factor in quality of bowling.

 

[OoparCut]

Your initial comment was about 'money', and i asked how is money a factor. then you went on to give me stat lesson, which wasn't needed.

I repeat my question. If money was a factor then Shadab Khan wouldn't be ranked number 2 bowler.

And

If money is a factor than any team that defeat India isn't significant because Indian player are paid more than anyone else.

So, now please answer, how is money a factor in quality of bowling.

Because the IPL team can use the MONEY to front up a bowling attack with Rashid Khan, Pat Cummins, Rabada and Bhuvi/Bumrah.

 

[www787]

Because the IPL team can use the MONEY to front up a bowling attack with Rashid Khan, Pat Cummins, Rabada and Bhuvi/Bumrah.

So, if they are paid more money they shouldn’t be compared with other bowlers in other league even though other league has bowlers who are in top 10 ICC ranking?

Like I said, from now on Indian team is a winner even if they lose on world stage because they are paid more than any cricketers in the world.

C’mon, keep entertaining.

 

[daytrader]

I started off wanting to do a full analysis of every teams bowling attack from the IPL and PSL, but considering how long that would take me I settled for this. The assumption judging from other threads is that the bowling in the PSL is of a higher quality of that of the IPL. I looked at the bowling stats of IU and did a simple comparison to last years champions the MI. The bowling attack I used from MI is the current bowling attack of this year (currently placed second last in the league), the bowling attack I used for IU is the one that won the finals.

IU
Name Average Economy
SR Patel 25.31 7.15

Mohammad Sami23.50 6.96
Shadab Khan 18.65 6.33
Faheem Ashraf 24.17 8.03
Amad Butt 25.52 10.13
Hussain Talat 33.87 8.51

IU Bowling Average 24.83
IU Economy 7.85

MI
Name Average Economy
Jasprit Bumrah 23.06 7.27

Mitchell McClenaghan 24.20 8.35
Hardik Pandya 27.37 7.76
Mustafizur Rahman 21.57 7.06
Mayank Markande 17.46 7.27
Krunal Pandya 23.73 6.94

MI Bowling Average 22.89
MI Economy 7.44


MI does have a significantly higher team average, but only a marginally higher economy. This doesn't prove that one league's bowling is more superior, it just shows both are comparable.

some notable exclusions:

ISLU

Steven Finn: 22.17 7.48
Zafar Gohar: 19.84 7.45
Rumman Raeees: 23.30. 7.09

MI


Pradeep Sangwan: 27.72 7.64
Kieron Pollard: 23.74 8.14
Hardik Pandya: 27.37 7.76

 

[giri26]

All please stick to topic, this is thread is not to discuss about how much every player is being paid.

 

[aniket1911]

This bad huh? That a bottom rung team like Mumbai Indians doing almost better than PSL champions.

Tsk tsk