Bazid Khan puts forward an excellent question for the selectors

[Rafay Shafiq]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Last 2 tests for these players Imran 8wkts, Sohail 7wkts,Rahat 6wkts and Amir 0wkts.Only one selected for tests against Windies</p>— Bazid Khan (@bazidkhan81) <a href="https://twitter.com/bazidkhan81/status/849655752558092289">April 5, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Syed1]

I'd even take a hurt and hobbling Amir over the likes of Rahat, Imran and Sohail.

 

[Pete Rose]

All this affirmative action stuff with aamir is going to backfire

 

[Citizen4]

this doesn't tell the whole story tbh. All 3 are mediocre bowlers for test cricket. Amir is much younger than all 3 anyways.

 

[Speedster777]

Rahat Ali has been with the team for past six or seven years and has failed to improve or show any consistency. He doesn't deserve any more chances. Amir only got back last year and definitely deserves to play he's far better bowler and good learner. Imran is a Trundler with no pace .

 

[Rafay Shafiq]

this doesn't tell the whole story tbh. All 3 are mediocre bowlers for test cricket. Amir is much younger than all 3 anyways.

You mean younger mediocre

 

[Chief Destroyer]

All this affirmative action stuff with aamir is going to backfire

What do you mean?

 

[in_cutter]

He has a point tbf. Why should Amir be given a free ride?

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Which is excellent on Mickey's part. He's investing in the right bowler.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Though I'm a pro Amir fan but have to admit this. As bazid mentioned at the end of the day wickets column is what it matters the most. Sohail Khan is hard done by mickey inzi Sarfraz and Misbah. If he is taking wickets then y drop him. If their fitness is an issue should be worked on immediately and within the squad setup not to be thrown out.

 

[shaz619]

Rahat does not have a brain and Sohail tends to throw in the towel after his first spell. Amir is a 24 year old bowler who has done enough to justify an investment for the future, lets look at him objectively rather then a mythical ATG whom you expect to take 5fers every game. Bazid should go back to being an old yeller with little perspective.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Out of the last 2 tests Amir has played,he hasn't bowled in 1 innings of each one.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Only performance doesn't matters,we have to see who is more young,fit and bowls with a brain.

 

[godzilla]

I don't know why the fan base is in such denial about amir. even you are madly in love with him, you have ro admit he came into the side a season too early. its only common sense that after a five year lay off you give a player a couple of seasons to redevelop and prove himself.

theres only so much yo can blame fielding, conditions, etc etc, after a time it all averages out and the fact is that he has been an utter failure. even if you love him you have to be in favour of sending him back to domestic to keep working on his game.

for some reason, the fan base is happy for the senior side to be a nursery development creche for dome players (amir), and allows no leeway for any development for others (kakmal for example).

theres no way amir deserves an automatic spot.

I know for a fact that management feel that he is on the cusp of a return to better form, which is why they are choosing him - the only semblance of rationality is that statement by sarfraz, that he and wahab now have to deliver or face being chopped.

I think I know which way that coin will fall...

 

[MMHS]

This is what's wrong with thought process - Bazid is considered as one of the best mind in Cricket PAK, and he has tweeted questioning why 3 fast bowlers at the real age of 38, 36 & 34 is dropped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[mastersaan10]

yea the love for amir is because no other bowler can bowl 130+ and has control. but even then amir is not taking wickets and he never was a good test bowler. only one series wonder in England because of green pitches and then averages 48 in Australia. Imran khan deserved to play in England but wasn't given a single chance and then he was played in Australia where any sane person with some credentials would not have even put him in the squad.
reason is mickey Arthur as a coach is truly clueless. only positive he has done is play babar azam in the top order and nothing else. you can tell because look at the strong team he had in psl but his clueless coaching resulted in being eliminated.
amir is talented but no wickets means that he is not doing something right and so doesn't matter if he is younger, those performing should be given priority. wickets is what will win you games, not age.
plus sohail khan deserves to play odi and t20 only because of his fitness in tests but still he is a wicket taker as he showed in KK, only person who looked like taking a wicket with the ball in hand.
those who are questioning bazid khan deserve this joke of cricket Pakistan plays. he is doing the right thing by highlighting why the favoritism for someone who is not taking wickets.
Rumman Raes is looking in good form and so we should try new bowlers.

 

[Hasan123]

Rahat and Imran are rubbish. Sohail doesn't have the fitness for test level. Not hard Bazid saab.

 

[Rafay Shafiq]

Amir lacking wicket taking deliveries, says Misbah

 

[MMHS]

Amir lacking wicket taking deliveries, says Misbah

Question is not about Amir - if PAK can find couple of pacers better than him, he should be dropped, even from the squad, because Wahab & Hasan deserves to be in squad ahead of him.

Question is - why one should post a tweet that creates division & controversy? Clearly they are not good or fit enough & not young enough to invest. They dropped those expired pacers & picked 2 young guys - Amir & Wahab was always ahead in the packing order.

 

[Rayyman]

It is clear to every sane member of the species that Amir is the best of the lot.

 

[DRsohail]

This is what's wrong with thought process - Bazid is considered as one of the best mind in Cricket PAK, and he has tweeted questioning why 3 fast bowlers at the real age of 38, 36 & 34 is dropped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

who is 34 rahat??// i think u r right the other guy is from my area and he is definitely 36 .....sohail 38 yess....in pak no one thinks about age ..match situation ,economy and future but just comes with stats...i am extremely dissapointed with bazid.wasim saqi etc....the only guy who is a bit better is ghulam ali the karachi bat who come os geo...the 2nd is nadeem khan....

 

[Big Mac]

Bazid knows the score, only one man can send the team soaring back up the rankings

 

[MMHS]

who is 34 rahat??// i think u r right the other guy is from my area and he is definitely 36 .....sohail 38 yess....in pak no one thinks about age ..match situation ,economy and future but just comes with stats...i am extremely dissapointed with bazid.wasim saqi etc....the only guy who is a bit better is ghulam ali the karachi bat who come os geo...the 2nd is nadeem khan....

I saw Rahat first time in 2012 - got a bit excited to see a pacer around 24/25 with pace & swing. After a closer look, got what I had to know. You have to add 4 to 5 years unfortunately

Doesn't matter what's actual age is, as long as it's factored in the selection process. As I mentioned several times - Imran's bowlers used to mature at tender age, Aquib at 16, Ata 17, Waquar 17, Wasim 17, Maqsood Rana 18, Salim Jafar 19, Zakir Khan 18, Mohsin Makal 19 ........ & they lost their appetite early, retired from cricket by early 30s. Sometimes even in 20s. More or less BCB does the same these days - by 32-33 you are shown the door, if you are a pacer; and you hardly debut after 25-26.

This is no issue, as long as you get the best 12 biological years of a cricketer - that's between 23 to 35 - your scouting & selection should adjust accordingly to figure out when biological 19 & 23 starts. Problem is, PCB selectors are debuting youngsters at 25/26/29 even 33 these days - hence they start to huff & puff after 1st spell, even before settling in International cricket. More alarming & irritating is that, still people posts here in PP, that in last 5/6 years it has been absolutely perfect - so Sami Aslam must be 21 now, Asghar is 18 ............... & Zia Ul Haq 23

 

[Pete Rose]

There are two universes:
the real one in which aamir is taking his time to get back to what was seen in him before the ban
the imaginary one in which he already sitting on 350 wickets and any mention of his suitability for the team is blasphemy.

I am pretty where a lot his fans are at the moment.

 

[in_cutter]

It is clear to every sane member of the species that Amir is the best of the lot.

Only to the deluded ones. They are equally average.

 

[DRsohail]

I saw Rahat first time in 2012 - got a bit excited to see a pacer around 24/25 with pace & swing. After a closer look, got what I had to know. You have to add 4 to 5 years unfortunately

Doesn't matter what's actual age is, as long as it's factored in the selection process. As I mentioned several times - Imran's bowlers used to mature at tender age, Aquib at 16, Ata 17, Waquar 17, Wasim 17, Maqsood Rana 18, Salim Jafar 19, Zakir Khan 18, Mohsin Makal 19 ........ & they lost their appetite early, retired from cricket by early 30s. Sometimes even in 20s. More or less BCB does the same these days - by 32-33 you are shown the door, if you are a pacer; and you hardly debut after 25-26.

This is no issue, as long as you get the best 12 biological years of a cricketer - that's between 23 to 35 - your scouting & selection should adjust accordingly to figure out when biological 19 & 23 starts. Problem is, PCB selectors are debuting youngsters at 25/26/29 even 33 these days - hence they start to huff & puff after 1st spell, even before settling in International cricket. More alarming & irritating is that, still people posts here in PP, that in last 5/6 years it has been absolutely perfect - so Sami Aslam must be 21 now, Asghar is 18 ............... & Zia Ul Haq 23

aqib retired at 28 and he debited at 28 lolz..imran khan is from dir where i belong....he is 36 years old if not more..my brother is 37 and was the fastest bowler in the area with tap ball and was a hard hitterbut unfortunately he did not move to the city and just contiinue with the tap ball cricket and is now working in dubai but imran was older than him...by the way he has got better physique and fitness than some of our zumbies.....i sometimes feel for him that with proper guidance he may would have played at higher level......

 

[FlickedOffHips]

There is nothing wrong with Amir's selection. Players with talent have to be shown faith. The same should have been the case with Sami Aslam.

What i don't get is the inclusion of Abbas. There is already another debutant pacer ahead of him( Ali) so no way PAK will play both. Essentially it's a wasted spot. I would have not taken Abbas, instead taken one of Rahat/ Imran/Sohail and given them a chance to make their place permanent.

 

[Justcrazy]

Amir needs to get wickets sooner than later .

 

[Pak_Pace]

This is what's wrong with thought process - Bazid is considered as one of the best mind in Cricket PAK, and he has tweeted questioning why 3 fast bowlers at the real age of 38, 36 & 34 is dropped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The point he was trying to make was that a player is being preferential treatment even though his performances (or stats at least) are not good enough. The tweet had nothing to do with the other three bowlers (their quality, age, etc.)

 

[Hawkeye]

Clueless tweet by Bazid.

Very very well done to drop those other bowlers for Tests. Very mediocre have no skills or talent for the future.

Some even find Bazid s commentary to be good. )

 

[asfandyar]

Clueless tweet by Bazid.

Very very well done to drop those other bowlers for Tests. Very mediocre have no skills or talent for the future.

Some even find Bazid s commentary to be good. )

Which is better: Taking 2 wickets in a match (both by batsmen's mistake) or beating the bat 200 times in a match with 0 wickets?

 

[Hawkeye]

Which is better: Taking 2 wickets in a match (both by batsmen's mistake) or beating the bat 200 times in a match with 0 wickets?

It doesn't work like that. Your over simplification means you have no idea of bowling or cricket in general.

 

[saeedhk]

Amir has been mediocre since his comeback; the sooner everyone admits this, the better.

 

[Pete Rose]

Amir has been mediocre since his comeback; the sooner everyone admits this, the better.

But commentators said he was best bowler, many catches dropped off bowling, etc etc

 

[JibranAnsari]

We need to invest in new blood , hassan and abbas are the right choices at the moment.

If Amir cant get wickets in this series then his future is in risk.

 

[saeedhk]

But commentators said he was best bowler, many catches dropped off bowling, etc etc

He is still mediocre when fielders are sharp. No fire, spice and sting in his bowling.

 

[in_cutter]

He is still mediocre when fielders are sharp. No fire, spice and sting in his bowling.

But but but he was swinging the ball like a banana in 2010 so must be persisted with.

 

[GreenKnightRises]

Selectors did their job very well. Others can choppo ganne

 

[Black Zero]

This is what's wrong with thought process - Bazid is considered as one of the best mind in Cricket PAK, and he has tweeted questioning why 3 fast bowlers at the real age of 38, 36 & 34 is dropped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not confident that your thought process is intact.

Also I do not believe you fully understood his tweet.

 

[Black Zero]

Selectors did their job very well. Others can choppo ganne

its "Hour Chouppo Gunnay"

 

[asfandyar]

It doesn't work like that. Your over simplification means you have no idea of bowling or cricket in general.

Question in Hawkeye's Math Paper: A customer pays 50 dollars for a coffee maker after a discount of 20 dollars. What is the original price of the coffee maker?

Hawkeye: It doesn't work like that. Your over simplification means you have no idea of discounts or coffee makers in general.

 

[Hawkeye]

Question in Hawkeye's Math Paper: A customer pays 50 dollars for a coffee maker after a discount of 20 dollars. What is the original price of the coffee maker?

Hawkeye: It doesn't work like that. Your over simplification means you have no idea of discounts or coffee makers in general.

The ignorance is to take cricket like a spreadsheet mathematics problem.

And the spreadsheet clan is as expected cheering and showing further lack of cricket acumen.

Can't discuss cricket with that logic, I'm afraid.

 

[waleed88]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Last 2 tests for these players Imran 8wkts, Sohail 7wkts,Rahat 6wkts and Amir 0wkts.Only one selected for tests against Windies</p>— Bazid Khan (@bazidkhan81) <a href="https://twitter.com/bazidkhan81/status/849655752558092289">April 5, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Bazid Khan is the only one who has the guts to say this, we have invested so much as a cricketing fraternity in Amir, that most of the hierarchy are hush hush on the matter of selection...

There is one thing called preferential treatment, this is daylight robbery that a guy has a seat reserved for himself no matter what he does on the pitch

 

[in_cutter]

No swing, no movement. JK v2 (Amir)

 

[waleed88]

Mohammad Amir is slowly realizing his cricketing career is not gonna be as rosy as it was when he played against England in 2010.. he's gonna have to toil hard with pitches where his ball will not swing an inch.. he still hasn't bowl in the heat of UAE and look at him struggling with half volleys and wides

 

[godzilla]

he's just awful. gun barrel straight. the wicket so far was a fluke. whats the point? kick him out into the domestic leagues until he learns how to bowl.

 

[Rayyman]

No swing, no movement. JK v2 (Amir)

he's just awful. gun barrel straight. the wicket so far was a fluke. whats the point? kick him out into the domestic leagues until he learns how to bowl.

None of the WI bowlers got swing either. Difference between Amir and JK is that Amir is 5 kph quicker.

 

[godzilla]

None of the WI bowlers got swing either. Difference between Amir and JK is that Amir is 5 kph quicker.

fair enough. probably even quicker even. but I wouldn't advocate jk in for amir. I just don't understand why everyone seems to believe that players like Babar and amir deserve unlimited chances, unlike others. its a fantasy that they are as good as they are perceived to be. they are good, but not undroppable. like anyone else, if they don't perform, they shouldn't play. for clarity, I'm referencing babar in the context of test cricket, he doesn't make the final xi on merit.

 

[Rayyman]

fair enough. probably even quicker even. but I wouldn't advocate jk in for amir. I just don't understand why everyone seems to believe that players like Babar and amir deserve unlimited chances, unlike others. its a fantasy that they are as good as they are perceived to be. they are good, but not undroppable. like anyone else, if they don't perform, they shouldn't play. for clarity, I'm referencing babar in the context of test cricket, he doesn't make the final xi on merit.

Agreed. Salahuddin should play over Babar. On batting merit. Amir's time is almost up in Tests too. Unless he gets a 5+ haul in an innings soon. Both golden boys are good in ODIs though. Our best batsmen and bowler.

 

[srh]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Last 2 tests for these players Imran 8wkts, Sohail 7wkts,Rahat 6wkts and Amir 0wkts.Only one selected for tests against Windies</p>— Bazid Khan (@bazidkhan81) <a href="https://twitter.com/bazidkhan81/status/849655752558092289">April 5, 2017</a></blockquote>
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and the one selected is a convicted fixer to boot

 

[in_cutter]

None of the WI bowlers got swing either. Difference between Amir and JK is that Amir is 5 kph quicker.

Quicker & what?

 

[srh]

Question in Hawkeye's Math Paper: A customer pays 50 dollars for a coffee maker after a discount of 20 dollars. What is the original price of the coffee maker?

Hawkeye: It doesn't work like that. Your over simplification means you have no idea of discounts or coffee makers in general.

) [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] is a legend with this answer

 

[boomboom6]

Question is not about Amir - if PAK can find couple of pacers better than him, he should be dropped, even from the squad, because Wahab & Hasan deserves to be in squad ahead of him.

Question is - why one should post a tweet that creates division & controversy? Clearly they are not good or fit enough & not young enough to invest. They dropped those expired pacers & picked 2 young guys - Amir & Wahab was always ahead in the packing order.

Look I'm all for dropping Amir from test team if he struggles in this West Indies series. But to say that Riaz deserves to be in the test team ahead of him is just comical.

Wahab has peaked as a mediocre bowler who needs to be dropped for good just like Rahat.

If we want a replacement, time to give Sadaf Hussain a go who DESERVES it the MOST.

 

[Speedster777]

Wahab was always a third fourth seamer he's not a strike bowler

 

[Asif321]

shocking that Sohail khan is not in squad . i think its all Inzi and Micky who are calling shots

 

[godzilla]

second spell first over averaging under 140, with the only effort ball at 143 being spanked to the boundary.

ordinary at best.

KICK HIM OUT.

 

[in_cutter]

Amir taken to the cleaners my Jason. Pathetic as the rest of them.

 

[godzilla]

Amir taken to the cleaners my Jason. Pathetic as the rest of them.

biggest over of the match by either side from our undroppable best bowler in the world how dare you think of dropping him amir.

if we lose the match, it may well be this over that was the key...

 

[Mamoon]

Without a doubt the most overrated cricketer in history, but he does not deserve to be dropped from the LOI teams. However, he should be axed if he doesn't do well in the Test series. He has failed in every single Test series that he has played so far on his return, you have to make a call at some point.