BCCI's last shot : Pull out of Champions Trophy

[jagatk]

The whole thread is unfair because the Supreme Court has driven the rogues and the chancers and the politicians out of the BCCI.

But what is the worst case scenario if they were to return?

We would lose Gayle, Guptill, McCullum, Warner and the like to a year-round IPL.

If Mitchell Starc stayed for Test cricket, instead of buying his second $5 million house by the age of 25 he would be in his first $3 million house, like a rugby league or Aussie Rules player.

I think we'd probably all be happy. Indians could watch their funny little game all year round, and would have teams full of second string South Africans and West Indians who would otherwise play county cricket.

And for the rest of us, our game would hardly change.

How exactly are they going to earn much do you think, you keep telling how a few players will go off and cricket will be rid of bad evil bcci, but don't account for indian cricket team whose tours are what earn money, even for CA and ecb barring Ashes it is india which earns them enough extra money so as for them to have no issues when other tours don't make anywhere near enough money. For likes of Sri lanka, West indies, even south africa, indian cricket team tour to their nation is their meal ticket, but yeah they going will suddenly solve all problems, how exactly will those teams survive, BCCI needs others because one can't play against oneself, but others need india to survive.

 

[Junaids]

Yeah then do it. Go against bcci and boycott bcci from icc if u can. We can see how many boards side with bcci and how Many boards will stay in icc.

The boards are not fools like u because they know a single tour of india will make up for losses untill the next time bcci plays them again
I will tell u that nothing much will change in bcci as the supreme court said any administrator can work in state and bcci proper for 18 yrs and there are lot of guys from the present administration who are eligible to continue to work.

Why do you equate BCCI with India?

To me, the ECB and Cricket Australia are just the middle men who for the timebeing control their countries' cricket teams.

But they aren't untouchable - Packer made both organisations come and grovel to him to get their players back.

 

[Junaids]

How exactly are they going to earn much do you think, you keep telling how a few players will go off and cricket will be rid of bad evil bcci, but don't account for indian cricket team whose tours are what earn money, even for CA and ecb barring Ashes it is india which earns them enough extra money so as for them to have no issues when other tours don't make anywhere near enough money. For likes of Sri lanka, West indies, even south africa, indian cricket team tour to their nation is their meal ticket, but yeah they going will suddenly solve all problems, how exactly will those teams survive, BCCI needs others because one can't play against oneself, but others need india to survive.

But I agree.

Top Aussie players might end up on $1 million per year instead of $1.5 million.

I think that South Africans would play for their country until the age of 30, then go to cash in in the IPL.

But it's not just India tours which earn serious TV revenue. England tours do too.

 

[Drreddymd]

That doesnt change the fact i posted isnt it?

If u r going to take some revenge on u r opponent u have to think wisely. Every action has consequences u must understand and not cry wolf if it back fires spectacularly on u r face

 

[jagatk]

These SC reforms will not last as the AG has told the SC that GOI is bringing a new law on sports bodies.Secondly the present administrators only job is to see that elections happen and new BCCI office bearers come in and then they leave.

Sports bill won't change too much, also sports bill in current form would need bcci to be under rti, good luck with that one.

 

[Drreddymd]

But I agree.

Top Aussie players might end up on $1 million per year instead of $1.5 million.

I think that South Africans would play for their country until the age of 30, then go to cash in in the IPL.

But it's not just India tours which earn serious TV revenue. England tours do too.

Nonsense. England tours to aus doesnt bring even half of what indian tour to aus brings to acb

 

[Drreddymd]

Why do you equate BCCI with India?

To me, the ECB and Cricket Australia are just the middle men who for the timebeing control their countries' cricket teams.

But they aren't untouchable - Packer made both organisations come and grovel to him to get their players back.

Because a billionaire by name subhash chandra tried what u said and failed spectacularly. He is a pariah now

 

[Drreddymd]

Why do you equate BCCI with India?

To me, the ECB and Cricket Australia are just the middle men who for the timebeing control their countries' cricket teams.

But they aren't untouchable - Packer made both organisations come and grovel to him to get their players back.

It is because bcci represents indian cricket and its team

 

[Junaids]

Nonsense. England tours to aus doesnt bring even half of what indian tour to aus brings to acb

Every seat in the ground is sold, every hospitality box is sold.

BT Sport paid A$160 million for 5 year rights to show all international cricket from Australia in England - that's 36% of what Australian TV paid! For games played in the middle of the night!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...hes-TV-rights-rivals-Sky-Sports-80m-coup.html

 

[jagatk]

But I agree.

Top Aussie players might end up on $1 million per year instead of $1.5 million.

I think that South Africans would play for their country until the age of 30, then go to cash in in the IPL.

But it's not just India tours which earn serious TV revenue. England tours do too.

I highly doubt the english part but if you say so, south africans will be the first ones out of the door thanks to the whole black player quota thing, but again if you take a head count, barring ECB and Ca and PCB ,maybe NZC if CA manages to convince it are they only ones who will stand by manohar when a push comes to a shove others will back bcci, so all that will never happen

 

[Drreddymd]

Every seat in the ground is sold, every hospitality box is sold.

BT Sport paid A$160 million for 5 year rights to show all international cricket from Australia in England - that's 36% of what Australian TV paid! For games played in the middle of the night!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...hes-TV-rights-rivals-Sky-Sports-80m-coup.html

Because the amount of money Acb makes from ashes is less than an indian tour. What part of it u dont understand? Gate money is pittance compared to tv money u know.?

 

[street cricketer]

With respect, I completely disagree.

Do you know which country's markets contribute the most to international football, both in TV rights and people who travel to World Cups?

England
Germany
USA - but they are Mexico fans mainly
Japan
South Korea

But of those countries, Germany is a football superpower, but even England is less important than Uruguay (population 3 million) and the Netherlands and Argentina.

The whole point of international sport is that each of the top six to eight countries ON THE PITCH in any given sports is as important as each other one.

In reality, India's importance is only greater than England's and Australia's or even Pakistan's while TV rights are sold on a country-by-country basis. The moment you have pooled rights and centralised scheduling, India is no more significant than Zimbabwe or Bangladesh.

And in sport that is the right way. At the last two World Cups, FIFA paid Uruguay (population 3 million, remember) more than England (population 65 million) because they performed better on the pitch.

India is in a perverse position at the moment. Its players are highly paid and in a world of unpooled TV rights it can use its economic muscle to subject cricket to a Protection Racket in a way that Japan cannot with football.

But its team is hopeless outside Asia, and nobody outside Asia would even notice the absence of anyone apart from Virat Kohli if they stopped playing Test cricket.

India is nominally the Number 1 Test cricket team currently, but when Ravindra Jadeja is the Number 2 ranked bowler in the world you know that home victories are inflating their standing.

The bottom line is that cricket actually doesn't need India at all. If they stormed out of the ICC and took with them Chris Lynn, Martin Guptill, Dave Warner and Chris Gayle to play a 6 month IPL every year, the cricket world would hardly notice.

India basically is done as a cricket superpower if pooled TV rights ever come in.

I think you're conflating two totally different issues here Junaids. Whether India competes outside asia or gets whitewashed is hardly relevant. India got whitewashed in England in 2011, yet it got 5 matches in 2014 in England. It will again get another 5 matches next year. England and Australia got clean swept in India and Pakistan the last time they toured in their respective homes. But rest assured both will get 4 matches each every single time they tour India even if they get their backsides handed to them every single match. Because ultimately it's the economics that matter and not the opinions of people.

Test cricket doesn't bring as much money as an ODI tournament does and cricket is basically a minority sport in many western countries. So the cricket watching population numbers outside asia are dwarfed when compared to their counterparts in asia. So I don't think they actually matter in the larger scheme of things. Anyway i don't think the BCCI will agree to the mutual pooling of rights and it isn't even an ICC rule.

 

[jagatk]

Every seat in the ground is sold, every hospitality box is sold.

BT Sport paid A$160 million for 5 year rights to show all international cricket from Australia in England - that's 36% of what Australian TV paid! For games played in the middle of the night!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...hes-TV-rights-rivals-Sky-Sports-80m-coup.html

Stadium tickets really dont help anything, as stadium maintenance costs mean it will at best even out but most of the times it is a loss for the host which is why the whole multi discipline stadium and stuff is being used.

 

[Junaids]

Because the amount of money Acb makes from ashes is less than an indian tour. What part of it u dont understand? Gate money is pittance compared to tv money u know.?

We don't know what Indian TV paid for the TV rights for the last tour of Australia. But we do know that they paid NZ$21 million for the last tour of New Zealand.

The BT Sports A$160 million deal for 5 years of Aussie coverage in England pretty obviously equates to A$160 million for an Ashes series. I'd be surprised if Indian TV paid as much as that for the last tour of Australia - my educated guess would be around $40 million.

 

[Junaids]

Stadium tickets really dont help anything, as stadium maintenance costs mean it will at best even out but most of the times it is a loss for the host which is why the whole multi discipline stadium and stuff is being used.

That's just not right. I've written above that Indian TV paid NZ$21 million for the TV rights when last they toured New Zealand - more than any other country, including Sky UK.

But hospitality sales alone at the first three days of a Lords Test - where packages start at US$450 per day - tend to earn in excess of $2 million per day. While gate receipts for the other 20,000 seats tend to bring in another $2 million per day.

That's why Lords gets 2 Tests every summer, and The Oval gets another. The two London grounds usually earn around $12 million in ground revenue per summer from Tests alone.

 

[Drreddymd]

Why do you equate BCCI with India?

To me, the ECB and Cricket Australia are just the middle men who for the timebeing control their countries' cricket teams.

But they aren't untouchable - Packer made both organisations come and grovel to him to get their players back.

Even if a billionaire buys the players where are they going to play? Most stadiums are built with bcci money and govt doesnt and cant do zilch because bcci is a private body. So a billionaire has to build stadiums also right.? What is the use for a billionaire if he takes control of one team. It should be like what bernie did and i dont think it will. Happen

 

[Drreddymd]

That's just not right. I've written above that Indian TV paid NZ$21 million for the TV rights when last they toured New Zealand - more than any other country, including Sky UK.

But hospitality sales alone at the first three days of a Lords Test - where packages start at US$450 per day - tend to earn in excess of $2 million per day. While gate receipts for the other 20,000 seats tend to bring in another $2 million per day.

That's why Lords gets 2 Tests every summer, and The Oval gets another. The two London grounds usually earn around $12 million in ground revenue per summer from Tests alone.

Lords gets all the revenue and not the board right? Why does lords pay the players if they are not their team

 

[Drreddymd]

We don't know what Indian TV paid for the TV rights for the last tour of Australia. But we do know that they paid NZ$21 million for the last tour of New Zealand.

The BT Sports A$160 million deal for 5 years of Aussie coverage in England pretty obviously equates to A$160 million for an Ashes series. I'd be surprised if Indian TV paid as much as that for the last tour of Australia - my educated guess would be around $40 million.

What rubbish u r sprouting? An ashes tour makes acb 160 million dollors? The whole ashes year earnings for acb is 80 million pounds for every series eng plays and not just ashes. Please dont post rubbish stuff

 

[Junaids]

Even if a billionaire buys the players where are they going to play? Most stadiums are built with bcci money and govt doesnt and cant do zilch because bcci is a private body. So a billionaire has to build stadiums also right.? What is the use for a billionaire if he takes control of one team. It should be like what bernie did and i dont think it will. Happen

Yes, that's what the Australian Cricket Board said with Packer. It took him a year to get the stadia, and then the ACB had to go crawling to him for a deal.

 

[HitWicket]

What rubbish u r sprouting? An ashes tour makes acb 160 million dollors? The whole ashes year earnings for acb is 80 million pounds for every series eng plays and not just ashes. Please dont post rubbish stuff

Sources?

 

[Junaids]

What rubbish u r sprouting? An ashes tour makes acb 160 million dollors? The whole ashes year earnings for acb is 80 million pounds for every series eng plays and not just ashes. Please dont post rubbish stuff

Read the link I posted.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...hes-TV-rights-rivals-Sky-Sports-80m-coup.html

BT Sport in England paid Cricket Australia $160 million for 5 years of coverage of all international cricket from Australia. But they obviously only actually wanted the 2017-18 Ashes - the rest was just bundled in.

 

[jagatk]

We don't know what Indian TV paid for the TV rights for the last tour of Australia. But we do know that they paid NZ$21 million for the last tour of New Zealand.

The BT Sports A$160 million deal for 5 years of Aussie coverage in England pretty obviously equates to A$160 million for an Ashes series. I'd be surprised if Indian TV paid as much as that for the last tour of Australia - my educated guess would be around $40 million.

Actually it is all for all series not just ashes also bbl is included so 16mn a year, the money you are talking from nzc is for 1 tour while this is 5 year deal.

 

[Drreddymd]

That's just not right. I've written above that Indian TV paid NZ$21 million for the TV rights when last they toured New Zealand - more than any other country, including Sky UK.

But hospitality sales alone at the first three days of a Lords Test - where packages start at US$450 per day - tend to earn in excess of $2 million per day. While gate receipts for the other 20,000 seats tend to bring in another $2 million per day.

That's why Lords gets 2 Tests every summer, and The Oval gets another. The two London grounds usually earn around $12 million in ground revenue per summer from Tests alone.

At least think before posting nonsense that has no value to the discussion? Do u think gate money rivals tv money? Most of the grounds in uk are losing money other than ashes and india tests and most counties are bankrupt in uk

 

[Junaids]

Actually it is all for all series not just ashes also bbl is included so 16mn a year, the money you are talking from nzc is for 1 tour while this is 5 year deal.

But the rights are basically worthless apart from The Ashes. The Big Bash matches take place at 10 am in the morning in England, when the audience is at work. Ratings are so low as to be unmeasurable.

 

[Drreddymd]

Sources?

Please read ecb website about yearly earningd

 

[jagatk]

Sources?

http://sport.bt.com/cricket/bt-spor...gland-defend-urn-in-australia-S11363999728418

 

[Junaids]

At least think before posting nonsense that has no value to the discussion? Do u think gate money rivals tv money? Most of the grounds in uk are losing money other than ashes and india tests and most counties are bankrupt in uk

And that is because of the bidding system. Ground revenue - which is all the grounds get - is so high that, for example, Cardiff had to bid 3.2 million pounds to host its Ashes Test - that's A$6 million for the privilege of hosting the game.

So yes, ground revenue is huge and that's why the grounds bid millions of pounds to host Tests in England.

 

[jagatk]

But the rights are basically worthless apart from The Ashes. The Big Bash matches take place at 10 am in the morning in England, when the audience is at work. Ratings are so low as to be unmeasurable.

The ratings wont be unmeasurable when india tours australia same with recent SA series and other series like it, ofcourse ashes is the big thing but don't underestimate other tours.

 

[jagatk]

And that is because of the bidding system. Ground revenue - which is all the grounds get - is so high that, for example, Cardiff had to bid 3.2 million pounds to host its Ashes Test - that's A$6 million for the privilege of hosting the game.

So yes, ground revenue is huge and that's why the grounds bid millions of pounds to host Tests in England.

You really need to see the big picture with grounds mate, constructing or refurbishing it costs a county in tune of 100's of millions while having a one off test while earning a bit of money doesn't really help much as there are far too many grounds not enough matches and a lot of debt.

 

[Junaids]

You really need to see the big picture with grounds mate, constructing or refurbishing it costs a county in tune of 100's of millions while having a one off test while earning a bit of money doesn't really help much as there are far too many grounds not enough matches and a lot of debt.

Actually, I agree. I think the bidding system has been an incredible wealth destroyer for the counties - and I've been a member of mine for nearly 40 years.

 

[HitWicket]

Please read ecb website about yearly earningd

Why would I read the ECB website for a series in Australia?

 

[Drreddymd]

Why would I read the ECB website for a series in Australia?

Sorry it is ecb and not acb as mentioned in the comment. If ecb for the whole year earn around 120 million pounds including everything then how can single ashes series is valued at 160 million

 

[HitWicket]

We don't know what Indian TV paid for the TV rights for the last tour of Australia. But we do know that they paid NZ$21 million for the last tour of New Zealand.

The BT Sports A$160 million deal for 5 years of Aussie coverage in England pretty obviously equates to A$160 million for an Ashes series. I'd be surprised if Indian TV paid as much as that for the last tour of Australia - my educated guess would be around $40 million.

Sorry it is ecb and not acb as mentioned in the comment. If ecb for the whole year earn around 120 million pounds including everything then how can single ashes series is valued at 160 million

I would recommend rereading what you're quoting then.

 

[Junaids]

Sorry it is ecb and not acb as mentioned in the comment. If ecb for the whole year earn around 120 million pounds including everything then how can single ashes series is valued at 160 million

You're getting confused between the currencies!

BT Sports of London paid Cricket Australia 80 million pounds - at the time A$160 million - for the rights to show cricket from Australia for 5 years. But all they wanted was the 2017-18 Ashes - they just got the rest because it was bundled in.

 

[Drreddymd]

You're getting confused between the currencies!

BT Sports of London paid Cricket Australia 80 million pounds - at the time A$160 million - for the rights to show cricket from Australia for 5 years. But all they wanted was the 2017-18 Ashes - they just got the rest because it was bundled in.

Sorry i thought it was 160 million pounds and not 160 million A$

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sports bill won't change too much, also sports bill in current form would need bcci to be under rti, good luck with that one.

Current Sports bill doesnt cover BCCI.New sports bill will overturn the Lodha Reforms.

 

[Drreddymd]

The threat is real. Bcci has decided formally to withdraw from champions trophy according to times of india

 

[Syed1]

The threat is real. Bcci has decided formally to withdraw from champions trophy according to times of india

Awww throwing the toys out of the pram are we.

 

[Drreddymd]

Awww throwing the toys out of the pram are we.

So asking for their rightful share is throwing toys out of the pram right? Then why cant pcb do the same thing? At least u should have toys to throw out first isnt it?

 

[Drreddymd]

Awww throwing the toys out of the pram are we.

Why should we be so charitable to other boards when they r corrupt, clueless, not able to sustain themselves

 

[Syed1]

So asking for their rightful share is throwing toys out of the pram right? Then why cant pcb do the same thing? At least u should have toys to throw out first isnt it?

What rightful share? BCCI is getting more than its fair share. Heck their IPL even used to get a window in international cricket, a luxury that was afforded to no other cricketing board. Now that there is talk of more equality within the boards then BCCI is acting like a spoilt brat.

Pull out of the Champions Trophy, nobody would even bat an eye.

 

[USofA]

Awww throwing the toys out of the pram are we.

BCCI throwing the toys out of the pram is not surprising. It has happened several times in the past. But what does continue to surprise me, is the willingness of the ICC and the other boards to climb over each other to put the toys back in the pram so that the BCCI can do it all over again.

 

[Drreddymd]

What rightful share? BCCI is getting more than its fair share. Heck their IPL even used to get a window in international cricket, a luxury that was afforded to no other cricketing board. Now that there is talk of more equality within the boards then BCCI is acting like a spoilt brat.

Pull out of the Champions Trophy, nobody would even bat an eye.

If nobody cares why r u so worked up with what bcci is doing

 

[Syed1]

If nobody cares why r u so worked up with what bcci is doing

I'm not worked up at all. I'm just glad that some semblance of equality is going to return to cricket. If India loves to flash their money so much they can arrange five IPLs a year and play amongst itself.

 

[Hasan123]

BCCI are always making threats to get what they want. They are making more than enough money and they also have the IPL as well. Icc shouldn't back down , if India want to pull out don't stop them. The game of cricket is bigger than India.

 

[USofA]

BCCI are always making threats to get what they want. They are making more than enough money and they also have the IPL as well. Icc shouldn't back down , if India want to pull out don't stop them. The game of cricket is bigger than India.

BCCI should be the judge of how much is enough.

But they always do. Their greed gets the better of them. They want the BCCI $$$.

 

[IMMY69]

BCCI are always making threats to get what they want. They are making more than enough money and they also have the IPL as well. Icc shouldn't back down , if India want to pull out don't stop them. The game of cricket is bigger than India.

India only cares for itself.

Best we let them be and get on with it. If cricket dies as a sport (which I doubt it will) then so be it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

BCCI are always making threats to get what they want. They are making more than enough money and they also have the IPL as well. Icc shouldn't back down , if India want to pull out don't stop them. The game of cricket is bigger than India.

If BCCI pulls out then we will see where this $$$$ that everyone is behind comes from.ICC and Manohar are banking on the fact that the current flux in the BCCI will let them get away with whatever they want.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India only cares for itself.

Best we let them be and get on with it. If cricket dies as a sport (which I doubt it will) then so be it.

Most boards will follow the $$$.

 

[IMMY69]

Most boards will follow the $$$.

Surely this is something everyone who actually loves the sport should be mourning.

It is an extremely sad state of affairs when politics comes in the way of sport, teams can't play against each other and everything becomes about money.

I will be the first person to stand up and respect a Board that actually looks to give back to the sport. Not just to it's own nation but to other cricketing countries so that the game not only survives but thrives around the world.

 

[Drreddymd]

Surely this is something everyone who actually loves the sport should be mourning.

It is an extremely sad state of affairs when politics comes in the way of sport, teams can't play against each other and everything becomes about money.

I will be the first person to stand up and respect a Board that actually looks to give back to the sport. Not just to it's own nation but to other cricketing countries so that the game not only survives but thrives around the world.

Sir u have to get on u r own feet and not cling onto Others back for ever. For how long u can survive on handouts from others

 

[Monsee]

For once, we will get to see BCCI's bluff, let's see if they have the guts, moral character, and conviction to come through!

Why do I have a feeling that they will rather find a 'sneeky' way to blackmail the cricketing community in to what they want...they don't have the guts to walk away from everything even with IPL as the supposed cash cow on their side.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Surely this is something everyone who actually loves the sport should be mourning.

It is an extremely sad state of affairs when politics comes in the way of sport, teams can't play against each other and everything becomes about money.

I will be the first person to stand up and respect a Board that actually looks to give back to the sport. Not just to it's own nation but to other cricketing countries so that the game not only survives but thrives around the world.

Name one board which gives its players a pension.I will name one BCCI.Thats how well BCCI uses its money.To help the game in India.

Indo-Pak series is the way it is.Nothing wrong in it.Many countries have done it.Countries have even boycotted Olympics.

 

[Drreddymd]

Bcci already has 2 friends and one more is needed to block this thing off which can happen very easily

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bcci already has 2 friends and one more is needed to block this thing off which can happen very easily

Interesting thing is that no one knows what BCB did.

AUS/NZ/ENG/PAK/SA/WI voted in favour.

 

[jagatk]

Interesting thing is that no one knows what BCB did.

AUS/NZ/ENG/PAK/SA/WI voted in favour.

SA will follow as it needs indian money for their new league, WI will come around too, BCB most likely will get a few goodies, also didn't bcci make fringe players available for bangla t20 league. Status quo will be restored, even manohar knows that which is why he went with the vote rather than deferment as given time, no one will back him.

 

[cricketjoshila]

SA will follow as it needs indian money for their new league, WI will come around too, BCB most likely will get a few goodies, also didn't bcci make fringe players available for bangla t20 league. Status quo will be restored, even manohar knows that which is why he went with the vote rather than deferment as given time, no one will back him.

I am waiting for the next SC hearing.Lets see what happens.

 

[IMMY69]

Sir u have to get on u r own feet and not cling onto Others back for ever. For how long u can survive on handouts from others

It would be interesting to see what it would be like if the shoe was on the other foot.

I'd like to think that I would take off my Natioaistic glasses for a moment and be able to criticise the board.

Anyway, I'm a huge critic of the PCB. They are indefensible in many of the actions (or inaction) they take...

Anyway, this is not so much about handouts for me. It's about promoting the game of cricket which only has 5 or 6 top teams left in the world. As a top earning board I would like to think they would support and promote the game in other countries.

I for one would be extr happy if they were to pull out as the game should've bigger then any individual bosrd

 

[IMMY69]

Money, money, money.
It's all about the money

 

[IMMY69]

Name one board which gives its players a pension.I will name one BCCI.Thats how well BCCI uses its money.To help the game in India.

Indo-Pak series is the way it is.Nothing wrong in it.Many countries have done it.Countries have even boycotted Olympics.

I think you'll find that in England everyone is entitled to a pension. Then you have private pensions with tax breaks etc.
Not sure about other countries though.

Do the FA offer pensions to the rich players?

How many countries participate in the Olynpics?

Why is it that the Indian Cricket Team is allowed to play against Pakistan in tournaments but not in bi lateral series?

Money money money
It's all for the money

Using cricket to make money and then as a political tool at other times..


Ok look I'm being feceisous. Arguing for the sake of it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I think you'll find that in England everyone is entitled to a pension. Then you have private pensions with tax breaks etc.
Not sure about other countries though.

Do the FA offer pensions to the rich players?

How many countries participate in the Olynpics?

Why is it that the Indian Cricket Team is allowed to play against Pakistan in tournaments but not in bi lateral series?

Money money money
It's all for the money ��

Using cricket to make money and then as a political tool at other times..


Ok look I'm being feceisous. Arguing for the sake of it.

1.I asked you which cricket board pays pension?I can tell you that test criketers in AUS/NZ have been found to be doing odd jobs to run their homes.BCCI has ensured that its FC cricketers also get pension and full medical benefits.

2.DOesnt matter how many countries play Olympics.A boycott is a boycott.

3.When India doesnt play Pakistan in bilaterals PCB gets hurt.If India doesnt play Pakistan in ICC Tournaments then India loses points and Pakistan gains.Seee the logic.

 

[Messiah]

Sir u have to get on u r own feet and not cling onto Others back for ever. For how long u can survive on handouts from others

Hasn't India been receiving foreign aid from developed countries?

 

[USofA]

For once, we will get to see BCCI's bluff, let's see if they have the guts, moral character, and conviction to come through!

Why do I have a feeling that they will rather find a 'sneeky' way to blackmail the cricketing community in to what they want...they don't have the guts to walk away from everything even with IPL as the supposed cash cow on their side.

They have been throwing their weight around and getting what they want for years. Why will this time be any different.

Why would anyone walk away from a situation where they have all the power. No one does in the real world. People with power always want/will hold on to it in any way that they can.

 

[USofA]

It would be interesting to see what it would be like if the shoe was on the other foot.

I'd like to think that I would take off my Natioaistic glasses for a moment and be able to criticise the board.

Anyway, I'm a huge critic of the PCB. They are indefensible in many of the actions (or inaction) they take...

Anyway, this is not so much about handouts for me. It's about promoting the game of cricket which only has 5 or 6 top teams left in the world. As a top earning board I would like to think they would support and promote the game in other countries.

I for one would be extr happy if they were to pull out as the game should've bigger then any individual bosrd

This is about handouts. The inept boards want money handed to them without any consequences. And that is where I have an issue. How long does BCCI continue to support these boards? Not for ever.

There has to some kind of end game. They should be given money with a requirement/stipulation that they show improvements/changes and a visible path towards self sustainment.

They should be guaranteed financial support for 5 years with periodic checkup and updates from ICC. If at the end of 5 years they show improvements then they should be supported for a further 2-3 years so that they can get a better financial foothold. After that they should be on their own similar to Ind, Eng, Aus.

A 7-8 year path to self sustainment. That is way to go. Give money while demanding/requiring results. Not just hand out money blindly without requirement attached.

 

[Tusker]

1.I asked you which cricket board pays pension?I can tell you that test criketers in AUS/NZ have been found to be doing odd jobs to run their homes.BCCI has ensured that its FC cricketers also get pension and full medical benefits.

2.DOesnt matter how many countries play Olympics.A boycott is a boycott.

3.When India doesnt play Pakistan in bilaterals PCB gets hurt.If India doesnt play Pakistan in ICC Tournaments then India loses points and Pakistan gains.Seee the logic.

Good response as always !!

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hasn't India been receiving foreign aid from developed countries?

Which foreign country provides aid for cricket?

 

[IMMY69]

1.I asked you which cricket board pays pension?I can tell you that test criketers in AUS/NZ have been found to be doing odd jobs to run their homes.BCCI has ensured that its FC cricketers also get pension and full medical benefits.

2.DOesnt matter how many countries play Olympics.A boycott is a boycott.

3.When India doesnt play Pakistan in bilaterals PCB gets hurt.If India doesnt play Pakistan in ICC Tournaments then India loses points and Pakistan gains.Seee the logic.

1. and I told you that England does but that I'm not sure about the other countries.
It's great that India gives pensions and medical benefits to its players.

2. One is talking about a sport that is loved by a few countries and how it needs to be supported in those countries to allow it to survive. The other is supporting the involvement of politics so that there are even less iconic matches.

3. Hurting Pakistan - see point 2.
Gaining points - greed above all else.

Every Pakistani I have spoken to says they would love to see Pakistan play against India.
Even if it means we get a hiding.
I don't get that impression from you or some of the other Indian posters here.

It's extremely sad.

 

[Tusker]

Every Pakistani I have spoken to says they would love to see Pakistan play against India.
Even if it means we get a hiding.
I don't get that impression from you or some of the other Indian posters here.

It's extremely sad.

Because there are few things that are of far more importance than a game of cricket. And its not just a "few" Indian posters ... its a decision that has firm backing from the Govt , Cricket Administrators , cricketers and a good majority of people in India.

 

[Zeshan547]

So a cricket trophy is more important than life of patriotic soldiers? If indian government and people have such high moral standards than why can't they boycott a terrorist nation like pakistan in tournaments. And pak still make profit indirectly due to indian team participation in such events. Atleast be consistant and set your priorities right. And end this hypocracy ********. You guys can't have it both ways, [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION]

 

[JaDed]

So a cricket trophy is more important than life of patriotic soldiers? If indian government and people have such high moral standards than why can't they boycott a terrorist nation like pakistan in tournaments. And pak still make profit indirectly due to indian team participation in such events. Atleast be consistant and set your priorities right. And end this hypocracy ********. You guys can't have it both ways, [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION]

I have no issues with India touring UAE man,my issue is with revenue being decreased and also forcefully more matches being put so as to less foreign participation in IPL and I don't see anything wrong in having to complain about that.

 

[Zeshan547]

I have no issues with India touring UAE man,my issue is with revenue being decreased and also forcefully more matches being put so as to less foreign participation in IPL and I don't see anything wrong in having to complain about that.

fair enough then.

 

[R0H1T]

I think you'll find that in England everyone is entitled to a pension. Then you have private pensions with tax breaks etc.
Not sure about other countries though.

Do the FA offer pensions to the rich players?

How many countries participate in the Olynpics?

Why is it that the Indian Cricket Team is allowed to play against Pakistan in tournaments but not in bi lateral series?

Money money money
It's all for the money

Using cricket to make money and then as a political tool at other times..


Ok look I'm being feceisous. Arguing for the sake of it.

I think you'll find that no one is entitled to a pension, not until they've done some amount of work in life. BCCI rewarding its (former) players & officials(?) is just & fair in every Indian's eyes.

Tell that to the ICC, they fix the schedule quite literally.

Of course it's easy to say that when you're riding on someone else's coat tails.

Let's not get into politics because you'll look far worse in that area!

 

[cr7great]

bcci is destroying cricket

 

[Messiah]

Which foreign country provides aid for cricket?

Read the post I was replying to. Jeez

 

[Drreddymd]

Hasn't India been receiving foreign aid from developed countries?

It doesnt need it any more. We are donating to other countries isn't it?

 

[Drreddymd]

Good response as always !!

There are instances of so Many aus,nz, pak players working as cabbies, plumbers, living in caravans without housing.

Indian board is looking after its own players even old ones are given 1 time cheques amounting to crores

 

[Drreddymd]

1. and I told you that England does but that I'm not sure about the other countries.
It's great that India gives pensions and medical benefits to its players.

2. One is talking about a sport that is loved by a few countries and how it needs to be supported in those countries to allow it to survive. The other is supporting the involvement of politics so that there are even less iconic matches.

3. Hurting Pakistan - see point 2.
Gaining points - greed above all else.

Every Pakistani I have spoken to says they would love to see Pakistan play against India.
Even if it means we get a hiding.
I don't get that impression from you or some of the other Indian posters here.

It's extremely sad.

Poeoples lives are more imp than a game of cricket isnt it? If bcci is a nobody do u think pcb will Care about playing india. Its all about dollars for pcb and ind pak cric is a goldengoose for them.

 

[Drreddymd]

So a cricket trophy is more important than life of patriotic soldiers? If indian government and people have such high moral standards than why can't they boycott a terrorist nation like pakistan in tournaments. And pak still make profit indirectly due to indian team participation in such events. Atleast be consistant and set your priorities right. And end this hypocracy ********. You guys can't have it both ways, [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION]

Who r u to decide? It is decided by indian govt isn't it? So for u r sake we have to boycott icc cups? If u have any morals u dont constantly beg bcci for a series right?

 

[Messiah]

It doesnt need it any more. We are donating to other countries isn't it?

Great! So now you are donating and are free to insult people by shaming them for receiving "handouts" and telling them to "stand on their own two feet". I though Indian movies have some good humane messages. I suggest some of you watch them and try to get back your humanity

 

[Drreddymd]

So a cricket trophy is more important than life of patriotic soldiers? If indian government and people have such high moral standards than why can't they boycott a terrorist nation like pakistan in tournaments. And pak still make profit indirectly due to indian team participation in such events. Atleast be consistant and set your priorities right. And end this hypocracy ********. You guys can't have it both ways, [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION]

If the bcci is willing to boycott icc tournament u say bcci throwing toys out of the pram and in the same sentence u want to boycott icc cups for moral high ground against pak