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Beating Sri Lanka: The definition of false hope

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False hope for the captain, false hope for the coach, false hope for the fans as usual, and false hope for Karthik and the "form" he's showed in this game.

South Africa will tear us apart, anybody with half a brain can see that.
 
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Varun, you are one of the only few Indian fans I have seen with such pessimistic (and probably realistic) comments.
 
well said!first we need to get rid of hacks like vijay and the 'talunted' boy wonder nohit sharma.
 
I have already said that I will not get excited about this win.

The pitch has deflated the celebration. India would have probably chased down 350 too.

Terrible warm up if you ask me.
 
India can beat Sri Lanka in their sleep.

I don't think India will win this tourney due to all IPL off-field drama and fatigue.
 
A half prepared Gambhir is any day better than the gfn Veejay.
I keep thinking even I could have been in the team everytime I see him there :@
 
After all, this was Lanka we beat today! I wouldn't read too much into this game
 
And the bowling was at its atrocious best... Zaheer void cannot be filled :(
 
HamzaSaeen said:
Varun, you are one of the only few Indian fans I have seen with such pessimistic (and probably realistic) comments.
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We've learnt it the hard way, what with our 54438463282 games yearly against the Lankans.
 
Varun said:
We've learnt it the hard way, what with our 54438463282 games yearly against the Lankans.
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:))) seems many of the indian fans still haven't learnt, on facebook countless fans are going crazy and many are going overconfident because of this win.
 
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besides it was just a warm up match, but indias batting is strong, we shall c how they perform when the real thing starts, hopefully our bowlers will perform well agasint them
 
Rona dhona bandh karo ... give credit where it's due. Karthik showed why he is picked. I want Karthik to open with Dhawan. With new Odi rules, all he needs a proper time in the middle, with technique like him, he can really score some runs.

If we would have lost people would have cried about 'tiredness' of IPL and what not.
 
India has a chance against South Africa, but it will depend on the type of pitch.
 
My hopes are still intact. I hope we tank all the three group matches and come home. It's a meaningless ICC tournament with zero prestige, so India should do everything it can to make it less attractive for the sponsors. The weaker the ICC becomes, the better it is for Indian cricket.

C'mon boys - come home and get some rest!
 
Bull's eye by Varun.

With our non-existent potent bowling Attack(can it be called like that?) and domestic bully top order (vijay/nohit) It will be an herculean task for us to play competitively (let alone winning) against the strong Saffers who seems to be having no apparent weakness at the moment, and excelling in all departments.

I shudder the thought of facing Steyn/Morkel and even Tsotsobe on a seaming track by our batsmen.

Hope its a dry deck with no overcast conditions on June 6th with us batting second (only way we can win against SA if there is a possibility)
 
avidlearner said:
I shudder the thought of facing Steyn/Morkel and even Tsotsobe on a seaming track by our batsmen.
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I shudder even more, at the thought of Amla and deViliers facing our 'help yourself' junk at 130kph. 333? Try 390, more like!
 
Since when did Indian fans turned into mentality of Pakistani fans? Change of souls have happened or what!! #amankiasha

Chillax brothers and sisters. Let's all complain about MI winning IPL and Rohit and DK are not being able to enjoy the victory properly and had to fly instantly for the national duty. This DD and CSK fans are sourgrapes. :yk
 
Varun said:
I shudder even more, at the thought of Amla and deViliers facing our 'help yourself' junk at 130kph. 333? Try 390, more like!
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Lol! The pitch was terrible to be honest which is why even the Lankans were bowling filth.

Atleast the Indians have had a warm-up game so far, our match was rained out.
 
Varun said:
I shudder even more, at the thought of Amla and deViliers facing our 'help yourself' junk at 130kph. 333? Try 390, more like!
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Cant be sure the same kind of pancakes in CT, but you never know, i have a gutt feeling this final CT we will see more roads and high scores in spite of the early english summer.
 
South Africa will tear you apart. Just like they did in the world cup. And then won't be in the final as they lost in the semis :)). So SA won't be a problem.

You can win ODIs very much on batting. After all 7 out of 11 are batters. And the rest even still expected to chip in a bit. India won the WC mostly on batting, even though Zaheer bowled well, bowling as a whole was poor. Much easier for bowlers if they've got 300 (or 300 potentially to defend). Dhoni's a smart captain which helps a lot in that too, some good field placings and tight (even if not special) bowling can restrict runs well enough to win.

India just set out in the best way possible, looking ominous again with the bat when people weren't fearing their batting again after the recent series (including the Pakistan one).
 
Fully agree with OP, I didnt want to go onto this!

On Thursday (#Matchday) doodh ka doodh aur Paani ka paani ho jaye ga :dav
 
Bilal7 said:
Lol! The pitch was terrible to be honest which is why even the Lankans were bowling filth.

Atleast the Indians have had a warm-up game so far, our match was rained out.
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We could not even bowl wicket to wicket! Sri Lanka had rested their premier bowler too (irrespective of how he could have fared). South Africans will be laughing their ***** off after watching this match
 
Give credit where its due. It may be a warmup match, so what? should they loose it on purpose?

This is not an indication of the performances in real matches in the tournament, but win is win and it makes the players and fans happy and confident which is the whole purpose of the warmup matches!!
 
We shall see on Match day. I'd say both sides have a good chance, with SA holding obvious edge. Comes down really to the turf which will be there on Thursday.
 
sticky_wkt said:
Give credit where its due. It may be a warmup match, so what? should they loose it on purpose?

This is not an indication of the performances in real matches in the tournament, but win is win and it makes the players and fans happy and confident which is the whole purpose of the warmup matches!!
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sorry but the whole purpose of warmup matches is to make the team comfortable with foreign conditions and all, and this match was played under anything but english summer conditions.
 
Beating Lanka: The Definition of False Hope

Oh c'mon, it was a great win. Chasing 330 on any wicket against any opposition is a massive achievement. It was a warmup but both teams showed 100% commitment and that's how it should be.

I believe India can definitely beat SA. Steyn is no threat in ODIs and the likes of Morkel and Tsotsobe will get hammered by the Indian top order.
It would be close though. Like always, India is one of the heavy favorites and they are world champions too.
 
i keep here steyn is no threat in odis then i keep seeing him be a beast in every global tournament. He barely plays odi series and when he does he doesnt seem to extert himself. Every world tournament i have seen in him though he is among the best
 
Mamoon_Ghaffar said:
Oh c'mon, it was a great win. Chasing 330 on any wicket against any opposition is a massive achievement. It was a warmup but both teams showed 100% commitment and that's how it should be.

I believe India can definitely beat SA. Steyn is no threat in ODIs and the likes of Morkel and Tsotsobe will get hammered by the Indian top order.
It would be close though. Like always, India is one of the heavy favorites and they are world champions too.
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pretty much this. we will struggle to chase 250 on this wicket, and they chased 330.
 
Mamoon_Ghaffar said:
Oh c'mon, it was a great win. Chasing 330 on any wicket against any opposition is a massive achievement. It was a warmup but both teams showed 100% commitment and that's how it should be.

I believe India can definitely beat SA. Steyn is no threat in ODIs and the likes of Morkel and Tsotsobe will get hammered by the Indian top order.
It would be close though. Like always, India is one of the heavy favorites and they are world champions too.
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This, pretty much. One false shot from Amla or ABD and the whole Saffer batting line-up becomes ordinary. The bowling attack isn't too strong either.
 
Mamoon_Ghaffar said:
Oh c'mon, it was a great win. Chasing 330 on any wicket against any opposition is a massive achievement. It was a warmup but both teams showed 100% commitment and that's how it should be.

I believe India can definitely beat SA. Steyn is no threat in ODIs and the likes of Morkel and Tsotsobe will get hammered by the Indian top order.
It would be close though. Like always, India is one of the heavy favorites and they are world champions too.
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You are adding unnecessary pressure on us :yk
 
mithun_minhas said:
You are adding unnecessary pressure on us :yk
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I don't think you will walk out on the field on thursday to play vs South Africa :yk the team that will, probably does not have any idea of PP, so I don't know how they will get 'unnecessarily' pressurized :yk
 
HamzaSaeen said:
sorry but the whole purpose of warmup matches is to make the team comfortable with foreign conditions and all, and this match was played under anything but english summer conditions.
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So what should they do? since its not foreign conditions, should they loose it?
 
On a good wicket for batting, India will be very tough to beat. Make no mistake about that. But in typical English conditions, they will be tested.

Most of the batsmen actually dont have much experience in those conditions and will struggle to adjust. South Africa will have an upper hand over them in those conditions. It will be a good test for them and hopefully, they will learn something from this.
 
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sticky_wkt said:
So what should they do? since its not foreign conditions, should they loose it?
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LOL definitely not lose it. just try out new players and practice and try their best to win. I have said before it was a great win regardless, specially great batting by Kohli and Karthik.
 
India showed their batting strength, even though the Lanka bowling was poor.
 
HamzaSaeen said:
LOL definitely not lose it. just try out new players and practice and try their best to win. I have said before it was a great win regardless, specially great batting by Kohli and Karthik.
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Thats exactly what they did. Kohli and Karthik played well according to the conditions what they received. I dont think anyone who understands cricket would be in false confidence as suggested in OP.

For me, its a good start to the campaign after all the fixing scandals off late. Hope the team will get confidence from this win and get few more wins in the tournament. Even if they fail all the remaining matches, it has got nothing to do with this warmup match win.
 
Bilal7 said:
Pressure? You guys are the World Champs, you're batting line-up is great and your bowlers are decent. The Champions Trophy is as good as yours.
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In subcontinent.

We lost ODI series in England, got eliminated in Aus, lost to Pak at home too.

Outside of subcontinent, we are as good as Bangladesh. Even in India, we lost to Pak at our own game.
 
mithun_minhas said:
In subcontinent.

We lost ODI series in England, got eliminated in Aus, lost to Pak at home too.

Outside of subcontinent, we are as good as Bangladesh. Even in India, we lost to Pak at our own game.
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expect nothing different in England. :asif
 
If the pitches remain as they are India will be up amongst the favourites, as these pitches take bowling out of the equation.

Any time that happens, and it becomes a straight shoot-out between batting sides, the Indian batting line-up is as good as anyone's in ODIs.
 
SOSami said:
If the pitches remain as they are India will be up amongst the favourites, as these pitches take bowling out of the equation.

Any time that happens, and it becomes a straight shoot-out between batting sides, the Indian batting line-up is as good as anyone's in ODIs.
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100% Agreed.
 
gabbarsingh said:
Junaid Khan was smashed by Ed Joyce of Ireland. Its ridiculous to see you guys hyping him like the second coming of Marshall. :yk
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bowled better than his figures suggest. lot of edges flew. Junaid Khan IS good. owned kohli earlier this year.

but i think Junaid VS Kohli will be a mouthwatering dual. guy like kohli will want to fire back
 
Amazing amazing. Had Pakistan chased down 334 against any opposition on any sort of wicket it would have made the fans delirious with joy and on the contrary even if Pak had defended 220 odd against even the saffas it would have been a so so achievement. Such a contrast in style, thinking and it would remain the same for the two neighbours
 
All I know is,

No way we are winning the Champions Trophy with a batting line up that cant chase more than 220 or score more than 240 on a batting wicket.....
 
Dr_Bassim said:
All I know is,

No way we are winning the Champions Trophy with a batting line up that cant chase more than 220 or score more than 240 on a batting wicket.....[/QUO


But thats our achilles heel. Barring Misbah and to some extent Malik the rest of the lot is not reliable at all
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Varun said:
False hope for the captain, false hope for the coach, false hope for the fans as usual, and false hope for Karthik and the "form" he's showed in this game.

South Africa will tear us apart, anybody with half a brain can see that.
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That was a good win really, from behind. South Africa looks a good team on paper, but as a ODI team they are only half good as their test side. Even New Zealand wiped the floor with them, not long ago.
 
Beating Lanka: The Definition of False Hope

mithun_minhas said:
In subcontinent.

We lost ODI series in England, got eliminated in Aus, lost to Pak at home too.

Outside of subcontinent, we are as good as Bangladesh. Even in India, we lost to Pak at our own game.
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Who cares. You lifted the World Cup while no other team could.
 
Beating Lanka: The Definition of False Hope

mithun_minhas said:
You are adding unnecessary pressure on us :yk
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It isn't unnecessary pressure mate, just the reality. Matter of fact is India can chase down 400 at will on batting wickets and English pitches are very flat these days in limited overs.
 
Mamoon_Ghaffar said:
Who cares. You lifted the World Cup while no other team could.
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That's because WC is worth winning -- so the team put in some effort. Who cares about this tournament? In today's game, Indian bowling and fielding, which is sloppy at the best of times, was sloppier than usual.

Right now, in Indian cricket, the real drama is being played out outside the field. That's what people are focused on. India will crash out of this stupid tournament in the first round, and no one will care.
 
Be Positive bro, South Africa without Kallis and Smith doesn't look that strong, and trust me only Amla and ABD are real threats and if you guys play out Steyn the remaining bowlers can be handled with ease. :kohli what a brilliant innings, i was saying in the thread from the beginning that India will chase down the total. Any big totals and :kohli goes full ....
 
Both Pakistan abd South africa will tear India apart. The indians stand no chance against Steyn and the likes of Morkel and Tsotsobe. Not to mention an aggresive Junaid and Irfan who will destroy the Indian batting.
 
My favorite Indian poster, he sees thing for what they really are :)
 
IndianWillow said:
That was a good win really, from behind. South Africa looks a good team on paper, but as a ODI team they are only half good as their test side. Even New Zealand wiped the floor with them, not long ago.
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2 set SL batsmen retired out and if you think England will have more pitches like the ones day, you're set for a surprise once the tournament starts.
 
India can beat this lankan team even with many state sides under such conditions forget the National team :( was a depressing match and yes false hopes,those fans in FB and all must be cissies who also do the same for IPL teams,they don't deserve real cricket
 
and according to me this AIN'T a stupid tournament,after a long time we are able to see some real cricket ,I for once is v happy but know for a fact that our team is gonna struggle :(
 
Why din't Umesh Yadav bowl/play?

And to be honest India didn't see this match as warm-up but a match they had to win, and that was showed when Kohli didn't retired out even after making a century and Dhoni's excuese was lame.

The result doesn't matter because you would never know how many SL would have made if their openers didn't retire out.

But having said all this it was still a good show by India. Making 330+ even on a flat wicket is no joke so good on them for that.
 
Beating Sri Lanka: The Definition of False Hope

India versus Sri Lanka:
India´s victory over them should never be taken too seriously, particularly following the World Cup final 2011 - before that, they used to compete well. Mind you, I am not degrading the individual performances here by the Indian players, but what I am pointing is the "hold" that the former have got over the latter. It was pretty much routine work yesterday for both the teams, particularly if India happen to bat second.

My take on warm-up matches:
I don´t take them seriously. I wish I could hold myself from even taking a look at the scorecards. I am not in favour of them being televised either. It spoils the build up a little bit for the fans sitting at home as they tend to take it a little too seriously. Of the yesterday´s match, I only watched the last 45 minutes or so I think.
 
Kiwi said:
2 set SL batsmen retired out and if you think England will have more pitches like the ones day, you're set for a surprise once the tournament starts.
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Chasing down 334 is never easy against any opponent, especially from 4 down for 110. That India took the practice match seriously and did not give up after the early stutter shows that they have come here to win, and have left behind IPL scars.
 
IndianWillow said:
Chasing down 334 is never easy against any opponent, especially from 4 down for 110. That India took the practice match seriously and did not give up after the early stutter shows that they have come here to win, and have left behind IPL scars.
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After one warm up game you can say that :))
You can't say anything till the actual games start..
 
The OP reads like a bit of an attempt to curry favour. Unsure.

I don't know why, in relation to a Champions Trophy taking place in England, South Africa's ODI side gets so hyped on this website; its recent record in England isn't that great at all. 6 losses, 2 no results and a mere 2 wins in the last five years.
 
James said:
The OP reads like a bit of an attempt to curry favour. Unsure.

I don't know why, in relation to a Champions Trophy taking place in England, South Africa's ODI side gets so hyped up on this website; its recent record in England isn't that great at all. 6 losses, 1 no result and a mere 2 wins in the last five years.
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AB and Amla are special players, I wouldn't count SA out as long as those two are still there.
 
gabbarsingh said:
Junaid Khan was smashed by Ed Joyce of Ireland. Its ridiculous to see you guys hyping him like the second coming of Marshall. :yk
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pretty sure you did not watch the match... more edges went to the boundary than being actually hit off the meat of the bat... was really unlucky! he is not the second coming of marshall, but definitely very good, and owned your team at their own den, jealous much? on a side note, isn't Yadav the second coming of Marshall? :yk
 
Interesting to note that the thread title was modded to include 'Sri' ahead of 'Lanka'. Is it impolite to refer to the average Sri Lankan (their team, in this case) as a Lankan?
 
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Varun said:
Interesting to note that the thread title was modded to include 'Sri' ahead of 'Lanka'. Is it impolite to refer to the average Sri Lankan (their team, in this case) as a Lankan?
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Just common courtesy I suppose. Lanka is not the country's name.
 
Jo_Don said:
Just common courtesy I suppose. Lanka is not the country's name.
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America is not USA's name either but widely used. Lanka is the name given to that island in ancient literature and many here just say lanka. lanka is a sanskrit word, deriving from the root 'lak' and means "to enjoy" or "to reach/attain".
 
Kiwi said:
AB and Amla are special players, I wouldn't count SA out as long as those two are still there.
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I'd never count any team out in a tournament format, but I do think their ODI side is undeservedly overrated.
 
Well i sed whoever was to win yesterday's practice match will be the unlucky one, cuz scoring all them runs may just make that team a little layed back, cuz trust me neither team had gud bowling, SL may take that loss to improve their bowling, while India may try to improve butthe win wud make them a little less worried, when they shud b very worried, AB De villiers will eat through their bowling, he almost destroyed pakistan in the recent series, india wud be no big deal for him.
 
Well india will beat Pakistan with a good match, and South Africa will beat india...

so the question is can Pak beat south africa ??? Wi will be beaten by most teams..
 
Just like how India buying the WC and then claiming to be world champs .... definition of a false premise :yk
 
Thankfully rain stayed away. Not a bad warm-up for both sides I would say even though the conditions weren't ideal. Good confidence booster for the batsmen.
 
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