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Ben Stokes found not guilty of affray [Update Post #508]

pakistanigoneaussie said:
watching the video a couple more times

1. The guy that got floored was the one who first struck with the bottle , however he was backing off and put his hands up when he basically got sucker punched
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Correction it actually is not the same person


They dress the same so its hard to tell but the guy swings the bottle is wearing black shoes with a white base. The guy who gets floored by Stokes is wearing completely white shoes

so its actually worse for ben


sensible-indian-fan said:
Wait a sec. Hales was kicking a guy 5 times in the head but he wasn't arrested?

How?
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its was cheap shot while stokes had him on the ground, i doubt the police could have known without video
 
I've just watched the video...What a horrendous act by everyone involved.

Looked like Stokes was pretty drunk and was unsteady on his feet throughout the "brawl" but continued throwing punches. Hales is involved in kicking a guy that is on the ground, in the head. He only tried to back off at the end of the video when Stokes went berserk. Both should be punished, whatever the conviction is.

On a side note, Hales always [to me at least] comes across as an idiot trying to act cool and tough. This all but confirms what kind of person he is. Drunk or not.

Stokes on the other-hand has had off-field "issues" before, so no-one should be surprised by what we saw.

Feel for Root/Morgan and the coaching staff.
 
I just saw the footage. Whilst Stokes acted in self-defense initially, the moment their assailant was knocked down and on the floor, both Hales and Stokes proceeded to act like deranged mad-men. They were needlessly brutal and could have easily killed the guy with the bottle.
 
Convict said:
Was the guy he went after who was backing away the guy who tried to bottle his mate?

If things went to trial David Warner on Root would have been laughed out of court.
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You can't expect a beered-up Stokes to pick the right assailant in the dark. I say good on the lad for sticking up for his mate.

No comparison with the Warner incident, that's a strawman in this discussion.
 
Robert said:
You can't expect a beered-up Stokes to pick the right assailant in the dark. I say good on the lad for sticking up for his mate.

No comparison with the Warner incident, that's a strawman in this discussion.
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Lol.

Yeah he was drunk and it was dark so he just started decking everyone. Come on.
 
Robert said:
You can't expect a beered-up Stokes to pick the right assailant in the dark. I say good on the lad for sticking up for his mate.

No comparison with the Warner incident, that's a strawman in this discussion.
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OMG, thanks for providing some comic relief in this thread :)))
 
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According to Piers Morgan, Stokes was actually a hero.

A group of homophobic louts were attacking two gay men, one of them with a bottle, and Stokes did the right thing, defending the gay guys.

If it’s true, good for him. People like them belong in a zoo.
 
Junaids said:
According to Piers Morgan, Stokes was actually a hero.

A group of homophobic louts were attacking two gay men, one of them with a bottle, and Stokes did the right thing, defending the gay guys.

If it’s true, good for him. People like them belong in a zoo.
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He defended the gay guys by going after a bloke who is lying on the ground?
 
With a bit of bad luck Stokes could have very easily been facing Manslaughter charges e.g. David Hookes.
 
the video is really bad, the guy was backing off and he continued, i say his career is tarnished and pretty much over.

if he comes back it can be after years and he wont be the same player anymore.

such a shame
 
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Both Stokes and Hales have been suspended from England matches until further notice. Destroying their own careers smh.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From ECB:<br> <br>Ben Stokes and Alex Hales will not be considered for selection for England international matches until further notice. <a href="https://t.co/w4EwFbp7Fd">pic.twitter.com/w4EwFbp7Fd</a></p>— Test Match Special (@bbctms) <a href="https://twitter.com/bbctms/status/913406551783821314?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ben Stokes video EXCLUSIVE: England star mimicks Katie Price's disabled son Harvey <a href="https://t.co/YTqX0xe8cY">https://t.co/YTqX0xe8cY</a></p>— Express Sport (@DExpress_Sport) <a href="https://twitter.com/DExpress_Sport/status/913409329553920001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Video emerges of Stokes mocking Katie Price son (who is disabled btw). What a nasty man.

It’s ok though, I’m sure he was just “beered up” and it was “dark” or something.
 
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Good stance by the ECB. They couldn't have done anymore tbf. They've helped these guys and have warned Stokes before too, yet here we are.

As [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] stated above, with a little bit of misfortune, or whatever you want to call it, the guy that got sucker-punched at the end could've been in huge trouble.

Even if you're helping out your gay friends, you don't do that. He, along with Hales, shouldn't have been out and about drunk with the series still on-going in the first place.
 
Wow, seriously embarrassing stuff:

What a pair of goons.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ben Stokes video EXCLUSIVE: England star mimicks Katie Price's disabled son Harvey <a href="https://t.co/YTqX0xe8cY">https://t.co/YTqX0xe8cY</a></p>— Express Sport (@DExpress_Sport) <a href="https://twitter.com/DExpress_Sport/status/913409329553920001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Video emerges of Stokes mocking Katie Price son (who is disabled btw). What a nasty man.

It’s ok though, I’m sure he was just “beered up” and it was “dark” or something.
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Charming fellow
 
England's Ashes squad is terrible, and without Stokes, they're likely to be annihilated. As much as I want England to win the Ashes, Stokes should be banned for at least a couple of years.

Not sure if the ECB or ICC can do that, but he shouldn't be allowed back into international sport after this. Without the video, he might have gotten off lightly if he wasn't imprisoned.

The man is insanely violent.

Relatedly, I thought Shoaib Akhtar was the worst for slapping Woolmer and hitting Asif with a cricket bat.
 
Time's magazine last Saturday:

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Oh the irony...
 
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RobinJay said:
Both Stokes and Hales have been suspended from England matches until further notice. Destroying their own careers smh.
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In the words of the great Ritchie: Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

Strausser's showing strong leadership at least.
 
Some sources are saying that the fight broke out due to two yobs giving homophobic abuse to Stokes's gay friends. Stokes was standing up for his friends against a couple of bigots. So (if this is true) his act is not clear cut from a moral point of view. But I have watched the video and that is some serious violence going on. He will be lucky to escape a prison sentence.
 
James said:
Some sources are saying that the fight broke out due to two yobs giving homophobic abuse to Stokes's gay friends. Stokes was standing up for his friends against a couple of bigots. So (if this is true) his act is not clear cut from a moral point of view. But I have watched the video and that is some serious violence going on. He will be lucky to escape a prison sentence.
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As stated above...even if that's true you don't make things worse by punching and kicking someone in the head. If he was indeed drunk he should never have been in that situation to begin with.

Good for him for standing up to those morons, but it doesn't stop the issue from being address either.
 
Sherlock said:
As stated above...even if that's true you don't make things worse by punching and kicking someone in the head. If he was indeed drunk he should never have been in that situation to begin with.

Good for him for standing up to those morons, but it doesn't stop the issue from being address either.
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Yes, does not justify his behaviour, however if it's true it will be offered as mitigation in court potentially under 'self defence of another party' or even just as a possible reason for his anger.

Perhaps community service and and anger therapy could be the result of his actions.
 
James said:
Some sources are saying that the fight broke out due to two yobs giving homophobic abuse to Stokes's gay friends. Stokes was standing up for his friends against a couple of bigots. So (if this is true) his act is not clear cut from a moral point of view. But I have watched the video and that is some serious violence going on. He will be lucky to escape a prison sentence.
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You don't even get jail for GBH as a first offence now. Prisons are rammed. No room and no money.
 
James said:
Yes, does not justify his behaviour, however if it's true it will be offered as mitigation in court potentially under 'self defence of another party' or even just as a possible reason for his anger.

Perhaps community service and and anger therapy could be the result of his actions.
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Yeah, I agree. But the 2nd issue is the video released today of him mocking Katie Price's kid. That in my opinion is truly poor judgement too.
 
Robert said:
You can't expect a beered-up Stokes to pick the right assailant in the dark. I say good on the lad for sticking up for his mate.

No comparison with the Warner incident, that's a strawman in this discussion.
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Going by the definition of the shadows cast by those involved, it looks brighter than the middle of the pitch lit by floodlights during a nighttime T20.
 
Well done to the ECB. These are two Star players and big match winners being taught that their is no compromise on poor discipline off the field when it comes to representing your country.
 
If it's true that he was defending someone else from a bunch of uncultured goons, then he does not deserve to have his career taken away from him.

He shouldn't be sent on a plane to Australia however. Best to let the Ashes overshadow this debacle and for Stokes to play his first post-punch-gate series in England.
 
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Regardless of the specifics, whether he was defending gay guys or whatnot, as a high-profile sports star, you just can't go around acting like a thug. He shouldn't even have been near a nightclub during the middle of a series. This is showing a really crass set of standards. Some guys need their heads screwed on.
 
James said:
Some sources are saying that the fight broke out due to two yobs giving homophobic abuse to Stokes's gay friends. Stokes was standing up for his friends against a couple of bigots. So (if this is true) his act is not clear cut from a moral point of view. But I have watched the video and that is some serious violence going on. He will be lucky to escape a prison sentence.
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Who was he standing up for in the video when he mocked a disabled boy?
 
Just utter utter stupidity.

It doesnt matter if the guys were making homophobic abuse, that does not justify

a) Stokes clocking a guy backing away and trying to leave across the face, knocking him out cold

b) Hales kicking a downed defenceless man on the head numerous times

As others have pointed out there were some absolutely ridiculous scenes of violence in that video, clearly the guy isnt right in the head and will never be far from controversy.

This could easily have resulted in someone dying. Why even go out mid way through an ODI series? During the week no less??
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Just utter utter stupidity.

It doesnt matter if the guys were making homophobic abuse, that does not justify

a) Stokes clocking a guy backing away and trying to leave across the face, knocking him out cold

b) Hales kicking a downed defenceless man on the head numerous times

As others have pointed out there were some absolutely ridiculous scenes of violence in that video, clearly the guy isnt right in the head and will never be far from controversy.

This could easily have resulted in someone dying. Why even go out mid way through an ODI series? During the week no less??
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Going out isn't the problem, you have to treat players like adults and it was 2 days before the next ODI.

However no matter how you're provoked, when you're representing your country and are a Joe Root injury away from the captaincy right with Ashes tour on the horizon then you cannot be getting into scrapes like this.

He could've landed a couple of blows and plausibly claimed self-defence but the footage is damning - he took it way too far.
 
The video of Stokes fighting is disgusting.

The video of him mocking a disabled child is ten times worse.

What a disgraceful man he is.
 
Markhor said:
Going out isn't the problem, you have to treat players like adults and it was 2 days before the next ODI.

However no matter how you're provoked, when you're representing your country and are a Joe Root injury away from the captaincy right with Ashes tour on the horizon then you cannot be getting into scrapes like this.

He could've landed a couple of blows and plausibly claimed self-defence but the footage is damning - he took it way too far.
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Exactly, had he hit yer man once or twice and its proven the fella did abuse a friend of his youd still condemn it as stupidity but itd lessen it a bit.

Fact is the guy has massive anger issues and the behavior he displayed once he got the first punch one is more befitting a wild animal than a vice captain, or hell any human being. Couldve killed him and hes got past history as well.

English Crickets response to Joey Barton
 
Posters saying he wont get bird for this aren't realising that rightly or wrongly judges will want to set an example to other high profile sportsman.
I think he will get a small trip to prison where he can really test his boxing skills out.
Hales should be punished too.
Stokes is a brilliant player ~ probably the best cricketer in the world~ but there s a monster inside that needs dealing with.
Hi s joke against a disabled kid shows he s a bit of low life really and he needs proper fixing ~ not silly excuses for his behaviour
 
Just to point out Steven Gerrard punched a man three times in the face, after arguing over music in Southport bar...He was cleared of affray because, wait for it, he claimed he had been acting in self-defence as he thought the other man was about to strike him.

Sometimes even a stupid excuse like that can clear a name. So I wouldn't exactly hold my breath over a sentence of any kind.
 
Sherlock said:
Just to point out Steven Gerrard punched a man three times in the face, after arguing over music in Southport bar...He was cleared of affray because, wait for it, he claimed he had been acting in self-defence as he thought the other man was about to strike him.

Sometimes even a stupid excuse like that can clear a name. So I wouldn't exactly hold my breath over a sentence of any kind.
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Understand your point but Gerrard s punches weren't videoed and didn't go viral.
A picture s worth a thousands words ~ and Stokes is in deep sxxt
 
He has a previous conviction and, from the video, it is clear that this was a serious attack. He is lucky he did not kill someone. It would be a travesty of justice if this clown was not sent to prison.
 
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Im Suds said:
Understand your point but Gerrard s punches weren't videoed and didn't go viral.
A picture s worth a thousands words ~ and Stokes is in deep sxxt
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It was on CCTV camera, mate. It probably didn't go viral because it was almost a decade ago. Social media has changed now.
 
James said:
Some sources are saying that the fight broke out due to two yobs giving homophobic abuse to Stokes's gay friends. Stokes was standing up for his friends against a couple of bigots. So (if this is true) his act is not clear cut from a moral point of view. But I have watched the video and that is some serious violence going on. He will be lucky to escape a prison sentence.
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Yes, I'm not sure I trust Piers Morgan- it's his job to be a shock-jock & generate publicity by always offering a counter-narrative or alternate position. But if these two friends or strangers back up the story then it paints him in a somewhat better light.

His problem is that he seemed to have scared them off- they were hands up & probably ready to leave after 1 or 2 more tough guy insults, at that point 99% of people say ok, say your worst then go away. But then he wanted on with it.

The bottle will be a key plank in his defence I suspect. If they did use that, then they have used a weapon & anything short of that in response is more easily defendable as self defence/defence of others at risk.

If he has been well advised legally he will have stated that after seeing the bottle used he was in fear of his life/his friends life or that they would be seriously injured by this man with the weapon (bottle). That might not be enough but that statement will hold up in many circumstances.

He's made it hard by the video seeming to show him being the aggressor but he should argue the previous, plus that they had not left the scene so he still felt threatened.
 
Yikes.

Stokes has serious issues. I can't believe someone of his stature would make fun of a disabled child.

Based on what they did to KP, this should be a complete removal from English cricket.
 
This fool was caught on camera mocking a disabled kid. Yet it's this idiot English fans and the ECB support.

Where was all this for KP?
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ben Stokes video EXCLUSIVE: England star mimicks Katie Price's disabled son Harvey <a href="https://t.co/YTqX0xe8cY">https://t.co/YTqX0xe8cY</a></p>— Express Sport (@DExpress_Sport) <a href="https://twitter.com/DExpress_Sport/status/913409329553920001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Video emerges of Stokes mocking Katie Price son (who is disabled btw). What a nasty man.

It’s ok though, I’m sure he was just “beered up” and it was “dark” or something.
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100% English.

Glad he left NZ, he's England's problem now.
 
wrongun said:
Yes, I'm not sure I trust Piers Morgan- it's his job to be a shock-jock & generate publicity by always offering a counter-narrative or alternate position. But if these two friends or strangers back up the story then it paints him in a somewhat better light.

His problem is that he seemed to have scared them off- they were hands up & probably ready to leave after 1 or 2 more tough guy insults, at that point 99% of people say ok, say your worst then go away. But then he wanted on with it.

The bottle will be a key plank in his defence I suspect. If they did use that, then they have used a weapon & anything short of that in response is more easily defendable as self defence/defence of others at risk.

If he has been well advised legally he will have stated that after seeing the bottle used he was in fear of his life/his friends life or that they would be seriously injured by this man with the weapon (bottle). That might not be enough but that statement will hold up in many circumstances.

He's made it hard by the video seeming to show him being the aggressor but he should argue the previous, plus that they had not left the scene so he still felt threatened.
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Only one person had the bottle, the guy that Stokes punched to the ground did not use a weapon and did not threaten Stokes.
 
Convict said:
With a bit of bad luck Stokes could have very easily been facing Manslaughter charges e.g. David Hookes.
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No famous sports star would face prison. Stokes is too important/famous of a player and (although you do actually have other sports stars that do get jail time a la OJ) but under influence, I’m convinced he’ll just get a fine and suspension.

Marcos Alonso, Chelsea defender but then Bolton, killed a women drunk driving. Was double the limit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-Madrid-car-crash-killed-woman-passenger.html

Consequences:

http://www.larazon.es/deportes/futb...icidio-imprudente-KK11829120#.Ttt1tx736HpW7Jm

Basically he was supposed to get sentenced for 4 years, got reduced to 1 year 9 months, then just got fined and his license suspended because:
1) he paid a lot of money to the victims family
2) he understood the severity of his crime, etc
3) the court took too long to rule on the case

Sports star literally get away with murder.
 
‘Suspended until further notice’ but their contracts are still ongoing. I get the severity of the case but the punishment will be anything but.

Wouldn’t be surprised to see Stokes on the plane to Aus. But if he were to get suspended: 6 months?

Just comparing this case to others. You see Rooney being a muppet every other weekend but he plays weekly. Other plays doing things under influence - nothing happened. Same thing for Stokes too.
 
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Ben Stokes and Alex Hales dropped by England until further notice

Ben Stokes and Alex Hales, two of England’s leading cricketers, have been stood down from international duty indefinitely pending the outcome of a police investigation into an altercation that took place during the early hours of Monday morning in Bristol.

This move to make the pair unavailable for selection was made by the England and Wales Cricket Board on Thursday afternoon in response to footage published by the Sun the previous evening which purported to be of the incident. It places Stokes, the vice-captain of the Test team, in danger of missing the Ashes tour to Australia that departs at the end of next month.

Stokes, 26, was arrested at 2.35am in the Clifton area of the city on Monday on suspicion of causing actual bodily harm – a 27-year-old man was left needing treatment for a facial injury in Bristol Royal Infirmary – and he was released later that day under investigation. Stokes is now due to be reinterviewed under caution by Avon and Somerset police in the next week.

Hales, who was present at the time of the incident but not arrested, is also due to be interviewed by detectives, having previously returned to Bristol on Tuesday morning to help with enquiries. The two team-mates had been out drinking after England’s 124-run win in their third one-day international against West Indies in the city on the Sunday.

The news of Stokes’s arrest broke on Tuesday, the day when England’s selectors sat down to pick their squad for the five-Test series in Australia that starts in Brisbane on 23 November. The all-rounder, who suffered a broken right little finger in the incident, was subsequently named in the touring party and retained in his position as vice-captain.

Both of those decisions were made by the ECB pending the outcome of police investigations and their own internal disciplinary inquiry. But after Wednesday’s fourth one-day international at the Oval – a match Stokes and Hales sat out – a video purporting to be of the incident was published by the Sun and forced the governing body to act again.

Both Stokes and Hales are understood to maintain that the altercation started when they saw two gay men being abused and decided to come to their defence.

In a statement issued on Thursday afternoon, the ECB announced both players will now be unavailable for international selection until further notice on full pay, with Andrew Strauss, England’s team director and a former Test captain himself, referring their internal case to the sport’s Cricket Discipline Commission.

It read: “Ben Stokes and Alex Hales will not be considered for selection for England international matches until further notice. Each remains on full pay pending further ECB investigation and the ongoing police investigation into an incident in Bristol in the early hours of Monday 25 September.”

The governing body notably did not use the word suspension regarding the two players, with the move effectively a holding position while the legal case runs its course. In practical terms, it sees Hales out of Friday’s final final match of the season against West Indies at Hampshire’s Ageas Bowl, a match Stokes would have missed through his hand injury.

Hales, an opening batsman for Nottinghamshire, is not part of England’s Test squad and will be available to take up a contract in South Africa’s Twenty20 league from November. But Stokes’s next cricket is the Ashes tour that departs on 28 October, the warm-up matches for which begin the week after the squad’s arrival in Perth, and his participation remains in jeopardy.

As things stand, Stokes is out of the series in what would be a major blow for England’s chances. Joe Root’s side currently hold the Ashes having beaten Australia 3-2 at home in 2015. On Wednesday Strauss refused to rule out stripping Stokes of the vice-captaincy, a position he assumed in February this year.

Since his debut during the 2013-14 Ashes tour to Australia, Stokes has risen to become one of the most highly-rated all-round cricketers in the world, scoring six Test centuries and claiming 95 wickets from 39 caps, as well as being the England team’s most dynamic fielder.

His all-action style has also attracted suitors in the Twenty20 cricket tournaments around the globe. A £1.7m deal to play for Rising Pune Supergiants earlier this year – believed to be worth nearly three times his central contract with England – made him the highest paid overseas cricketer in the lucrative Indian Premier League.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/28/ben-stokes-apologises-to-ecb-following-arrest
 
I think the video of him mocking a disabled kid made me lose respect for him way more than the fighting video.

Men in their mid 20s in the West might get a little extra rowdy after a few drinks and go out throwing fists.

But it really tells a tale when you pick on somebody less fortunate whilst being 100% aware of your state of mind.

Glad Misbah spanked him around in the UAE tour and now I hope whenever Marlon Samuels faces him he smashes him for a six.

edit: Actually I take that back. No need to wish ill on anyone. He has already screwed himself over and potentially sidelined himself from what could've been a dream Ashes tour.
 
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There are quite a few political things going on here.

Obviously Stokes is an unintelligent thug - we have known that for years.

Having said that, he's by far England's best Test cricketer now that Cook is in decline and Root has become loose defensively from playing too much 20 and 50 overs garbage.

So one issue is people like me being desperate to see him play in Australia (where he lacks the brains and education of Stuart Broad, which let him handle the abuse of the crowd). There's a significant worry that Stokes is an accident waiting to happen once the Ockers start to sledge him.

There's also a flip side too: people like Piers Morgan (and myself) want this to finish off Andrew Strauss, and will shout from the rooftops that KP never hit anybody, but was purged to settle a personal vendetta.
 
Suleiman said:
I think the video of him mocking a disabled kid made me lose respect for him way more than the fighting video.

Men in their mid 20s in the West might get a little extra rowdy after a few drinks and go out throwing fists.

But it really tells a tale when you pick on somebody less fortunate whilst being 100% aware of your state of mind.

Glad Misbah spanked him around in the UAE tour and now I hope whenever Marlon Samuels faces him he smashes him for a six.

edit: Actually I take that back. No need to wish ill on anyone. He has already screwed himself over and potentially sidelined himself from what could've been a dream Ashes tour.
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Most of us don't.
 
Junaids said:
There are quite a few political things going on here.

Obviously Stokes is an unintelligent thug - we have known that for years.

Having said that, he's by far England's best Test cricketer now that Cook is in decline and Root has become loose defensively from playing too much 20 and 50 overs garbage.

So one issue is people like me being desperate to see him play in Australia (where he lacks the brains and education of Stuart Broad, which let him handle the abuse of the crowd). There's a significant worry that Stokes is an accident waiting to happen once the Ockers start to sledge him.

There's also a flip side too: people like Piers Morgan (and myself) want this to finish off Andrew Strauss, and will shout from the rooftops that KP never hit anybody, but was purged to settle a personal vendetta.
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You live in the wrong state but where you around in Australia when Ben Cousins was at his peak? If you let superstar players get away with things just because they are superstars you create a really bad culture.
 
Convict said:
Most of us don't.
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Ofc not. I live in the west too, nearby a club district. Every once in a while an hour before closing time you will hear yelling shoving and fists being thrown between two parties.

Nothing to do with being Western. All of it to do with being intoxicated. I said in the West because obviously you won't find alcohol fuelled night life in Pakistan.
 
I don't have many issues with the fight but that video made me lost respect for him. Video of mimicking the kid is really really disgusting.
 
Suleiman said:
I think the video of him mocking a disabled kid made me lose respect for him way more than the fighting video.

Men in their mid 20s in the West might get a little extra rowdy after a few drinks and go out throwing fists.

But it really tells a tale when you pick on somebody less fortunate whilst being 100% aware of your state of mind.
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It looks ugly, but I think it's aimed more at Katie Price than her son.

I think he should avoid alcohol around people he doesn't know in future, as his judgement becomes impaired. I can see what has happened here. Somebody has cynically waited until he has lost a bit of control, filmed him and sold it for cash.

We see here a very nasty aspect of the British character - the press will make a sports star or singer into a sungod for a while, then decide s/he deserves to be cut down to size. I've seen it many times.
 
London_Lahori said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ben Stokes video EXCLUSIVE: England star mimicks Katie Price's disabled son Harvey <a href="https://t.co/YTqX0xe8cY">https://t.co/YTqX0xe8cY</a></p>— Express Sport (@DExpress_Sport) <a href="https://twitter.com/DExpress_Sport/status/913409329553920001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Video emerges of Stokes mocking Katie Price son (who is disabled btw). What a nasty man.

It’s ok though, I’m sure he was just “beered up” and it was “dark” or something.
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Absolutely disgusting.

I take my words back,this fool is worse than Pietersen ever was.
 
Robert said:
It looks ugly, but I think it's aimed more at Katie Price than her son.

I think he should avoid alcohol around people he doesn't know in future, as his judgement becomes impaired. I can see what has happened here. Somebody has cynically waited until he has lost a bit of control, filmed him and sold it for cash.

We see here a very nasty aspect of the British character - the press will make a sports star or singer into a sungod for a while, then decide s/he deserves to be cut down to size. I've seen it many times.
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Place the blame where it belongs, he put himself in this position, no one else.

The press can't cut him down without him doing something stupid, everything is down to Stokes.
 
If one of them had a knife or another weapon this could have been really really bad.
 
Anyone else find it weird the video of him mocking the kid was released straight after the incident with the fight happened?

It's almost as if the press were waiting for something to happen and release/post that video. As they say here, in the UK, "they pick you up, only to knock you down."

That being said you don't mock anyone, let alone a kid with learning difficulties - and you don't go out boozing and throw punches/kicks. You'll end up getting what you deserve.
 
Sherlock said:
Anyone else find it weird the video of him mocking the kid was released straight after the incident with the fight happened?

It's almost as if the press were waiting for something to happen and release/post that video. As they say here, in the UK, "they pick you up, only to knock you down."

That being said you don't mock anyone, let alone a kid with learning difficulties - and you don't go out boozing and throw punches/kicks. You'll end up getting what you deserve.
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Nah it was fight footage released, Stokes' camp damage controls with the fighting homophobia story and then the video of him mocking the kid was released.

English gutter media working well but hey Stokes made his own bed in this case.
 
His career is far from over. He got into a brawl, looks bad, but the ECB will still want him in England and they'll do anything they can to do that.

Sports stars get away with anything.
 
Sherlock said:
Anyone else find it weird the video of him mocking the kid was released straight after the incident with the fight happened?

It's almost as if the press were waiting for something to happen and release/post that video. As they say here, in the UK, "they pick you up, only to knock you down."

That being said you don't mock anyone, let alone a kid with learning difficulties - and you don't go out boozing and throw punches/kicks. You'll end up getting what you deserve.
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Yes, I find that weird too as that video must be old. A professional sportsman should not be doing things like that.
 
Stokes will get a high-priced lawyer. And get away with a slap on the wrist - on the legal front, as well as on the cricket. This won't happen right away, they will take some time for the 'heat' to pass.
 
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