Ben Stokes vs Anwar Ali - Battle of the allrounders

[Hawkeye]

Both playing as an allrounders in the same era, so comparison shouldn't be too hard.

Anwar Ali has won games for Pak on his own - like the one in Asia Cup, with his batting. Excellent fielder.

Bowling wise, he's been a bit better than Ben Stokes - not that great, still.

Stokes on the other hand has done decently with the bat in Tests, even a double hundred to his name if I'm not wrong. But, a horrendous show with the ball.

Who would you rate better? IMO, they're pretty close.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Is this even for real?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Too much trolling not good for health.

This ain't a debate.

 

[Sachin136]

By no means is Stokes "a horrendous show with the ball" in tests.

 

[Executioner]

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Not sure if serious

 

[The_Odd_One]

Stokes is a better batsman but Anwar is a better bowler.

 

[HitWicket]

In test match cricket Stokes is twice as good a bowler, 5 times as good a fielder, and 10 times as good a batsman.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Lol,there is no comparison.Anwar is in a different league and Stokes can't be compared with him.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Stokes is the better bowler by galaxies and a better batsmen than most Pakistani bats LOOL.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

This is why everyone laughs at us

 

[Ahson8]

Anwar miles ahead. Stokes not fit to tie his shoelaces.

 

[Rayyman]

Anwar is bit better atm, but Stokes is younger with more upside. Expect Ben to overtake him in a couple of years.

 

[Syed1]

Anwar wipes the floor with Stokes as a bowler.

 

[Rayyman]

Stokes is not even close to being as clutch as Anwar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuD8ksQ5Yfc

 

[Dios]

I'm sorry but who is Anwar Ali?

 

[Madplayer]

I'm sorry but who is Anwar Ali?

He is the man who chased 326 against Bangladesh on his own.

 

[Rayyman]

He is the man who chased 326 against Bangladesh on his own.

No lol that was Ahmed Shehzad and Fawad Alam.

 

[usmanraheel]

lol , Anwar Ali isn't half the player Stokes is

 

[JaDed]

Is there as reason why this comparison has come up?Did he perform really well or something?

 

[Madplayer]

No lol that was Ahmed Shehzad and Fawad Alam.

I wanted [MENTION=137485]Dios[/MENTION] to answer. You ruined it

 

[Rayyman]

Is there as reason why this comparison has come up?Did he perform really well or something?

Who Stokes?

 

[JaDed]

Who Stokes?

Anwar obviously bro

 

[fawad_wellwisher]

Let Anwar Ali make the Pak team first then we can compare him with Stokes.

 

[Statsman]

Anwar Ali is captaincy material. Pakistan should not do injustice with him the way they did with S Tanvir.

 

[hur rizvi]

Anwar is the Daddy of swing, who exactly is this new lad Stokes?

 

[cricketindiafan]

If he is reading this, Anwar Ali would love to be in Stokes' shoes with a $2 mil+ contract out of no where!

 

[rhony]

Blued eyed boy of England vs Dropout of Pakistan. You have an answer

 

[sajeebmcj]

this one is a good comparison. as a bowler anwar ali is better, but stokes us better batsman. i will select stokes in my team.

 

[aniket1911]

Posting some stats for us to ponder over would help. Even though I know that Anwar ali is beyond stats and it's treacherous intrigues by me to even question his skills.

 

[cricketerB94]

The Pakistani thinking: You have to compare every person with any other person otherwise you will go to hell.

 

[Rayyman]

Posting some stats for us to ponder over would help. Even though I know that Anwar ali is beyond stats and it's treacherous intrigues by me to even question his skills.

Anwar Ali has same amount of NO in ODIs, but less games. His highest score in T20Is is 46 while Stokes' is 38. Ali's SR in T20is is 142 while Stokes' is 136. Anwar economy in ODIs is 6.11 while Stokes' is 6.15. Ali's econ. in t20is is 8.3 while Stokes is over 9. Anwar also has lower bowling average and SR in T20Is. Anw. bat. ave. in t20i is 16 while stokes is 14. Anwar has better economy, SR and average in bowling in 1st class and T20s than Stokes. Anwar is clearly ahead atm; But Stokes is yet to enter his prime while Anwar is in his prime already.

 

[aniket1911]

Anwar Ali has same amount of NO in ODIs, but less games. His highest score in T20Is is 46 while Stokes' is 38. Ali's SR in T20is is 142 while Stokes' is 136. Anwar economy in ODIs is 6.11 while Stokes' is 6.15. Ali's econ. in t20is is 8.3 while Stokes is over 9. Anwar also has lower bowling average and SR in T20Is. Anw. bat. ave. in t20i is 16 while stokes is 14. Anwar has better economy, SR and average in bowling in 1st class and T20s than Stokes. Anwar is clearly ahead atm; But Stokes is yet to enter his prime while Anwar is in his prime already.

What?
If that's true, don't understand why the poor guy get bashed left, right and center on the forum. Still, stokes is clearly better based on the brand of cricket he plays akin to de Villiers who have abysmal T20I stats as well.

 

[Hawkeye]

Too much trolling not good for health.

This ain't a debate.

Come on now. This is as serious a debate as it can get. We have a dearth of quality allrounders, and Stokes gives a good challenge to Anwar here.

Stokes = choked in a tournament
Anwar = Won us single-handedly, with Ramiz Raja chanting "Anwar Ali you beauty". Can't get any better.

Stokes is a better batsman but Anwar is a better bowler.

Some say Anwar is a better bat, while others say a better bowler. Difficult to decide.

He is the man who chased 326 against Bangladesh on his own.

That's more like it!

 

[Watsupdoc]

If Anwar was bid on in the IPL he would have broken all records.

Stokes who?

 

[Hawkeye]

Posting some stats for us to ponder over would help. Even though I know that Anwar ali is beyond stats and it's treacherous intrigues by me to even question his skills.

Sure.

Here are some stats by brother [MENTION=139975]The_Odd_One[/MENTION] :

Here are Ben "all-rounder" Stokes averages in his recent tour of India:

Tests: 45 at 80 SR
ODIs: 43 at 7.41 economy
T20s: 45 at 8.18 economy

In his last 5 ODI series, his stats are:

43 @ 5.86 vs Australia
55 @5.83 vs SA
76 @4.75 vs Pakistan
41 @5.18 vs Bangladesh
43 @7.41 vs India

This guy is as much a bowler as Anwar Ali.

What you say now?

Anwar wipes the floor with Stokes as a bowler.

Glad we agree on something.

 

[in_cutter]

Anwar is the new Imran Khan. Stokes who??

 

[Markhor]

OP needs to disguise his trolling attempts a bit better than this.

Stokes is overrated with the ball but with the bat he's produced far more valuable innings than Anwar Ali who only knows how to hack the ball through midwicket.

 

[Syed1]

OP needs to disguise his trolling attempts a bit better than this.

I think he has done a good enough job looking at the responses from across the fence. Perhaps the neighbours are waking up to the idea that they paid 15 million dollars for an inferior player

 

[Hawkeye]

Stokes is overrated with the ball but with the bat he's produced far more valuable innings than Anwar Ali who only knows how to hack the ball through midwicket.

OK, Anwar may have a habit of hitting towards the cow corner.

But, pray tell how he's inferior when it comes to bowling? Stokes has done all he could to go below in quality than Anwar's bowling.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Anwar is 29, Stokes is 25, not a fair comparison imo

 

[aniket1911]

Sure.

Here are some stats by brother [MENTION=139975]The_Odd_One[/MENTION] :



What you say now?



Glad we agree on something.

I haven't seen much of anwar ali, so I will refrain from making bold remarks but whatever perception I got from PP of his supposedly wretched career so far, it's a criminal act devoid of any impunity by you for such incongruous comparison.

As many have said above, stokes is still finding his feets in international arena and will only improve over time while anwer ali is not gonna make Pakistan national team anyime soon. Stats are not the sole criteria to judge a player neither does a fluke innings against a lower rung side, stokes is ear marked to be one of the greatest English all rounder while other is ridiculed by his own nationals. Doesn't take a genius to figure out who is better.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Hardik >>>>>> Anwar Ali > Stokes bruh

 

[blue_champion]

Hardik >>>>>> Anwar Ali > Stokes bruh

Binny wipes the floor clean with all.....6-4

/discussion

need to drop the bat Elliot style after that

 

[blue_champion]

I think he has done a good enough job looking at the responses from across the fence. Perhaps the neighbours are waking up to the idea that they paid 15 million dollars for an inferior player

No we have already woken up to the idea of the intention of this thread rby

hence the relevant responses

 

[Slog]

Stokes can only dream of Anwar Ali bowling at his best

 

[Pakpak]

Anwar is an ATG for Pakistan.

 

[Square Drive]

(Saeed) Anwar >>>> Stokes.

 

[Saj]

Haha no comparson here........move on.

Anwar's lucky that he was very friendly with a former captain who threw a few international games his way.

 

[mz123]

Haha no comparson here........move on.

Anwar's lucky that he was very friendly with a former captain who threw a few international games his way.

come on saj, you have to agree that anwar's bowling is slightly better...

 

[Ab Fan]

Chris morris is a better LOI all rounder than Stokes.

He can win games for SA with both ball and bat and he is no statistician delight.

Stokes is very good in tests though.

 

[Ab Fan]

Many posters seem to underrate Stokes-the test bowler.

Irrespective of stats, Stokes was more impressive with the ball than with the bat in the recent Indian and Bangladesh tour.

The pitches were completely flat ones and he never played any crucial knock with the bat in India series although he was fine with the bowl in hand.

Also took a fi-fer in Bangladesh and won them their only match.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Anwar doesn't have the same determination as stokes

Just as talented IMHO

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

I am waiting for a comparision between Rifatullah vs Sachin Tendulkar.

 

[Hasan123]

Stokes and it's not even close.

 

[ali2220]

I am waiting for a comparision between Rifatullah vs Sachin Tendulkar.

Noting to compare, sure Rifat is better.He has been hand chosen by Misbah, who probably wants Rifit to replace the "blessed one", whenever "blessed one" retires.

 

[Cosmic]

Haha no comparson here........move on.

Anwar's lucky that he was very friendly with a former captain who threw a few international games his way.

And Same Guy won you U-19 Cricket world cup.. he is far better than Bilawal bhatti, Aamir yamin and so on... Amad Butt is getting better though...

After Razzaq he is the useful fellow...

 

[EliteCynical]

I don't recall Anwar Ali being hit for 4 sixes in four balls even in a club game. Plus he has more hair than Stokes, so Anwar Ali for me.

 

[asma_cricfan]

Ben has played102 international matches where as anwar played 38 matches with no test match yet. plus anwar is in and out of the team all the time. plus his batting position is lower than ben i believe.

still this comparo is not far fetched. anwar needs more international exposure to truly show his skills.

 

[aloo paratha]

Anwar Ali is better bowler, better batsmen, better fielder. At least he didn't get hit for 4 consecutive 6's

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Anwar has won an U-19 World Cup Final for his team practically on his own while the only clutch moment Stokes faced - he failed miserably and was disintegrated by Carlos Braithwaite (someone who wouldn't make A teams of stronger test playing nations)

Anwar literally faced an ATG South Africa in their prime (on his GOD DAMN DEBUT series) and helped Pakistan win their first ever bilateral ODI tour there; Something that makes Pakistan the only Asian side to do so currently.

Anwar also showed his immense clutch abilities during the SL tour and helped chased 180 odd runs after Pakistan were reduced to 70-5 or something along those lines. Plus Anwar has the distinct honor of being called the Daddy of Swing, something only Mohammad Asif can stake a claim to after of course The Sultan of Swing

Plus as [MENTION=137148]Rayyman[/MENTION] has pointed out earlier, Anwar has better or equal stats as well while playing only a handful matches as compared to Stokes. For me Anwar is ahead ATM, and by some margin. It would be fair to Stokes to be compared to other Alrounders in Pakistan such as Bilawal Bhatti or Sohail Tanvir.

 

[Noobosauras]

are we having Stokes vs Pandya next?

 

[Kaiser_Soze]

Stokes v Bilawal Bhatti should be apt.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

are we having Stokes vs Pandya next?

Pandya wipes the floor with Stokes TBH.....

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Orangi Town ka Kallis is an ATG compared to Mr. 6666.

 

[Syed1]

I don't follow the IPL but I'd like to see the face of the Pune owner when Stokes reveals just how bang average he is. That would be hilarious

 

[ammar_merry]

anwar >stokes+tymal mills. its due to anwar's bowling that mills is not finding place in quetta gladiators.

 

[Saj]

And Same Guy won you U-19 Cricket world cup.. he is far better than Bilawal bhatti, Aamir yamin and so on... Amad Butt is getting better though...

After Razzaq he is the useful fellow...

Yes we keep harping on about his achievements in the Under 19 World Cup, but it's also worth noting just how many years ago that happened.

His bowling has been in decline for many years now.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Anwar Ali has same amount of NO in ODIs, but less games. His highest score in T20Is is 46 while Stokes' is 38. Ali's SR in T20is is 142 while Stokes' is 136. Anwar economy in ODIs is 6.11 while Stokes' is 6.15. Ali's econ. in t20is is 8.3 while Stokes is over 9. Anwar also has lower bowling average and SR in T20Is. Anw. bat. ave. in t20i is 16 while stokes is 14. Anwar has better economy, SR and average in bowling in 1st class and T20s than Stokes. Anwar is clearly ahead atm; But Stokes is yet to enter his prime while Anwar is in his prime already.

These are shockingly bad stats for an all-rounder who is considered to be the best in this era. I can only laugh at those who spent that much money on him in IPL.

 

[Pollack]

Stokes is the best.Anwar is not far behind. Where is bhatti btw.Pandya is a distant last honestly.

 

[Naim]

Salute to op. Anwar is ATG allrounder

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Is this an attempt to lure readers and give an impression that most of your threads which backfired were Satire ?

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Is this an attempt to lure readers and give an impression that most of your threads which backfired were Satire ?

Haha well spotted. Terrible thread. Anwar Ali is a specialist fielder

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Haha well spotted. Terrible thread. Anwar Ali is a specialist fielder

Anwar Ali has lost pace recently. When He was playing for Pakistan He was 128 to 134 kph bowler whereas now his stock deliveries are 124 to 129 kph.


Yes Mid off to Square Leg are his areas provided the ball is pitched up and in this range too Long On and Midwicket mostly.

 

[Cosmic]

Yes we keep harping on about his achievements in the Under 19 World Cup, but it's also worth noting just how many years ago that happened.

His bowling has been in decline for many years now.

Ok... the suggestive alternatives such as Hammad Azam, Bilawal Bhatti, Aamer Yamin... aren't great either... hoping good from Amad Butt though..

Seems you forget how come Afridi spent so many year on some laurels,...Anwar Ali has lot of issue with his injury prone body.. he put all his effort in 1 match.. He needed to be turned like watson type bowler.. Like More Batsman then bowler...

 

[Blackbradman]

No comparison at all..Stokes can not slog like Anwar Ali..

 

[Hawkeye]

Anwar Ali has same amount of NO in ODIs, but less games. His highest score in T20Is is 46 while Stokes' is 38. Ali's SR in T20is is 142 while Stokes' is 136. Anwar economy in ODIs is 6.11 while Stokes' is 6.15. Ali's econ. in t20is is 8.3 while Stokes is over 9. Anwar also has lower bowling average and SR in T20Is. Anw. bat. ave. in t20i is 16 while stokes is 14. Anwar has better economy, SR and average in bowling in 1st class and T20s than Stokes. Anwar is clearly ahead atm; But Stokes is yet to enter his prime while Anwar is in his prime already.

Yes, people think we're making fun of Stokes, but I have no idea how come a choker and someone who has been performing so poor overall gets to be overhyped as the best allrounder.

When even Anwar Ali has better performances!

 

[waleed88]

Ben Stokes... Anwar Chokes )

 

[HitWicket]

Ben Stokes since Jan 1st 2016

Tests
Batting : 904 runs @ 45.2. Strike rate of 66.76.
Bowling : 33 wickets @ 25.81.

ODIs
Batting : 610 runs @ 50.83. Strike rate of 111.72.
Bowling : 12 wickets @ 49.93.

+ One of the leading fielders in the world.

"horrendous show with the ball [in tests]" - good troll thread to try and pass off other hilariously failed prediction threads as trolls.

 

[Mamoon]

After a hundred vs SA and another potential one against Australia in his last 3 innings, I think it is fair to say that Stokes is giving Anwar Ali stiff competition.

 

[shravan]

The usual suspects saying Anwar is better than stokes. Laughable really.