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Best countries to live in outside of UK?

I really don't wish to upset your pre-conceptions but you should know that there are many thousands of residents in this country who were not born here, are not citizens here, who hold a passport of another country but who pay taxes and have lived here for years. They are also entitled to vote in all our elections including the referendum. Hence their pespective re brexit is just as worthless (or valid) as yours or mine.
If Knight Rider happens to be a citizen of a commonwealth country and can get a BRP then he will become one of these people.

Nice story.

But unless you're born and bred in the UK for as long as I have (pre EU life) then you have squat idea of the effects of the EU, thus Brexit.

Bit like me pretending to be a doctor by prescribing Paracetamol.
 
so what about our parents etc of that generation? came here in 60s so 55+ years.Is their perspective worthless too?
 
After reading this gloomy thread, I have come to a conclusion: Spain is better for me than all these countries.

Weather is nice whole year. People are nicer, some are racist but who cares about them. Food is fresh and cheap. Only thing that's expensive is housing but it's not impossible to manage if you earn good money.

OP, why don't you try Spain/Portugal?
 
One day I hope so. I just liked the good laid back vibe. I didn't feel out of place as a brown person, I have lived in UK in a very white area so maybe my experiences sometimes haven't been great. Career wise as well I know a few doctors who have moved there from the UK so its an appeal to me. Only sad thing is I wouldn't be able to go see Arsenal regularly. :)) Though right now I suppose that's a blessing.....

I have had the good fortune of living in a few places. I made a long post about it once but I am afraid I shared too much personal information :))

Honestly football was one of the reasons I refused to contemplate living anywhere else for years. But these days you can watch from anywhere, and I don't go to the stadium to watch live that much these days.

It would probably be easier to go the way of other ex-pats in NZ, US or Australia as they are English speaking countries, but not sure if I would move abroad just to get the same vibe. Better summers I guess, but they are pretty decent here these days.
 
After reading this gloomy thread, I have come to a conclusion: Spain is better for me than all these countries.

Weather is nice whole year. People are nicer, some are racist but who cares about them. Food is fresh and cheap. Only thing that's expensive is housing but it's not impossible to manage if you earn good money.

OP, why don't you try Spain/Portugal?

I never experienced any racism in Spain, although I suppose you would have to be there for a while to really get a feel for it. I actually heard worse stories in that vein about Portugal. But again, that is just one account, might not be representative.
 
I never experienced any racism in Spain, although I suppose you would have to be there for a while to really get a feel for it. I actually heard worse stories in that vein about Portugal. But again, that is just one account, might not be representative.

same, i heard stories about spain, portugal, france, germany, eastern europe, etc, but never experienced anything negative when i actually went out there.

there all fun places to travel, but got boring eventually. i like London, only other place id consider living is pbly new york.
 
They had the say in 1975. The country voted to join the EEC, not the EU.

So just being born in UK makes you entitled to have an opinion and say about the future of the UK? What else have you contributed towards the society here?

I can naturalise as a British National whenever i want, my kids are born in the UK and have british passports. I pay taxes here and care about the future of my children, the society they live in and where this country is going. So why is your opinion more important than mine?
 
So just being born in UK makes you entitled to have an opinion and say about the future of the UK? What else have you contributed towards the society here?

I can naturalise as a British National whenever i want, my kids are born in the UK and have british passports. I pay taxes here and care about the future of my children, the society they live in and where this country is going. So why is your opinion more important than mine?

I was referring to Brexit/EU/EEC. You have no idea what life was like before the UK joined the EU. Your perspective is also biased.

By the way, you paying taxes might be a new concept for you, but not for me, so it doesn't impress me one iota.
 
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So just being born in UK makes you entitled to have an opinion and say about the future of the UK? What else have you contributed towards the society here?

I can naturalise as a British National whenever i want, my kids are born in the UK and have british passports. I pay taxes here and care about the future of my children, the society they live in and where this country is going. So why is your opinion more important than mine?

Technically you might be a Brit, but a born and bred is regarded differently all the same. He will think the same way as the other born Brits, a naturalised one will still have a foreign flavour.
 
After reading this gloomy thread, I have come to a conclusion: Spain is better for me than all these countries.

Weather is nice whole year. People are nicer, some are racist but who cares about them. Food is fresh and cheap. Only thing that's expensive is housing but it's not impossible to manage if you earn good money.

OP, why don't you try Spain/Portugal?

Returning to the original thread - we have indeed decided to leave England after we retire.
To this end, we have bought property in Edinburgh - which, particularly when you ask the Scots - is another country. After brexit, I hope that there will be a groundswell for another independence referendum, which I am sure will produce an independent Scotland. I for one will be voting 'yes'.
Then Scotland can re-apply to the EU! Our son is already studying at Edinburgh Uni and we have strongly advised him to make his career there or in Aus/NZ.

I see grim times for "little England" for the next 10 - 20 years - at least until my right-wing-nut generation have kicked the bucket and the country has adopted a sensible voting system which does not allow lying charlatans to sweep elections with a single item divisive agenda.

Scottish weather is fairly miserable in winter and we have thoroughly discussed the pros and cons of winter sojourns in Spain or Cyprus. However we have a difficulty here. My wife is Indian and refuses to get a British passport. Hence she requires a visa to go to EU and certainly will not be allowed to stay for 6 months every year.
So, we have come to the decision to winter in India where she owns property. Apart from her home town in north-eastern India, we are also looking for a small place in Kerala, by the sea. I expect our great adventure will start next year. And all this courtesy of the london property market where we have been fortunate to have invested for the past 30 years. And of course 2 pensions - from NHS & BBC.

In this context, I would dearly love to visit Pakistan but I worry that my stubbornly Indian wife may not get a visa.
 
Technically you might be a Brit, but a born and bred is regarded differently all the same. He will think the same way as the other born Brits, a naturalised one will still have a foreign flavour.

Really? All "born brits" think the same way? I would be mortified if I even imagined that I think the same way as you and T1210.
 
Nice story.

But unless you're born and bred in the UK for as long as I have (pre EU life) then you have squat idea of the effects of the EU, thus Brexit.

Bit like me pretending to be a doctor by prescribing Paracetamol.

This idiotic statement really should not be dignified with an answer but I suppose I should at least state that having been born 6 decades ago I grew up using pounds, shillings and pennies, ha'pennies and even farthings. And decimal is far far more convenient.
Going by your logic nobody who didn't live in Elizabethan times has any right to appreciate or criticise Shakespeare. Also perhaps nobody who was born after 1960 should have voted in the referendum!
 
This idiotic statement really should not be dignified with an answer but I suppose I should at least state that having been born 6 decades ago I grew up using pounds, shillings and pennies, ha'pennies and even farthings. And decimal is far far more convenient.
Going by your logic nobody who didn't live in Elizabethan times has any right to appreciate or criticise Shakespeare. Also perhaps nobody who was born after 1960 should have voted in the referendum!

I don't believe you, and you have completely misunderstood my point on Brexit views.

Your Shakespeare logic is laughable. Reading Shakespeare and passing an opinion on it is very different to having a one-sided experience of life in the EU.

Anyway, Remain lost. Liberalism is dead. Get over it and move on.
 
That shows your lack of knowledge about NJ and USA, or you just don't like USA .

I live not too far from NYC, I'm married with kids. School is great in my town and there are so many college/universities close by, some best in the world, like Princeton, Columbia and UPenn. Crime rate is extremely low in my town, you leave the house unlocked for week and no one will touch it. Very versatile state, nice people, not much discrimination for Indians-Pakistanis. Yes, there are areas in NJ with high crime rate though.

Crime rate is low even in Dallas where I’m right now, so i don’t hate USA if anything I respect it a lot where depending on how you are you can change and go to that state.

Suburbs usually have low crime rate even the best school districts near Chicago(not in) have no crime rate and are beautiful as well.

I’m just comparing the quality of life based on below factors and to Canada:
Food
Water
Schooling

And yes Jersey is the best state to live in considering everything I came to that conclusion an year ago as well.( inspite of the bad rep it gets)
 
Dallas looks interesting and i ve heard that there is a large south Asian community there. How’s it for jobs etc?
 
Know someone who lives there and have been there several times. It has a modern infrastructure, good location and weather (year round), people are very polite and civilised. Plus they ve some official retirement scheme in place called ‘my second home Malaysia’ (or something like that).

English is widely spoken and Malay isn’t too difficult to learn either. Wonderful wonderful place.
 
Returning to the original thread - we have indeed decided to leave England after we retire.
To this end, we have bought property in Edinburgh - which, particularly when you ask the Scots - is another country. After brexit, I hope that there will be a groundswell for another independence referendum, which I am sure will produce an independent Scotland. I for one will be voting 'yes'.
Then Scotland can re-apply to the EU! Our son is already studying at Edinburgh Uni and we have strongly advised him to make his career there or in Aus/NZ.

I see grim times for "little England" for the next 10 - 20 years - at least until my right-wing-nut generation have kicked the bucket and the country has adopted a sensible voting system which does not allow lying charlatans to sweep elections with a single item divisive agenda.

Scottish weather is fairly miserable in winter and we have thoroughly discussed the pros and cons of winter sojourns in Spain or Cyprus. However we have a difficulty here. My wife is Indian and refuses to get a British passport. Hence she requires a visa to go to EU and certainly will not be allowed to stay for 6 months every year.
So, we have come to the decision to winter in India where she owns property. Apart from her home town in north-eastern India, we are also looking for a small place in Kerala, by the sea. I expect our great adventure will start next year. And all this courtesy of the london property market where we have been fortunate to have invested for the past 30 years. And of course 2 pensions - from NHS & BBC.

In this context, I would dearly love to visit Pakistan but I worry that my stubbornly Indian wife may not get a visa.

There are so many English retired people living in Mallorca, Malaga or near Alicante etc.
Come to Spain if all plans fall apart :)

In this context, I would dearly love to visit Pakistan but I worry that my stubbornly Indian wife may not get a visa.
I highly doubt so. Especially now that present Pak government are trying their utmost best regarding Kartarpur corridor etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvnjZMXb5dE
 
Dallas looks interesting and i ve heard that there is a large south Asian community there. How’s it for jobs etc?

Excellent for IT jobs, but is mostly warm and gets hard in summer, also pollen content is very high, if anyone in family has allergies.

Desi community is very high in number, events throughout, but as I’m living alone kinda gets boring at times.

Texans are multi dimensional most have a job and always keep a side hobby(glass carving, yoga, scuba instructor) which also gets them paid , that feature is diff from other cities i have been to considering the percentage of people doing that, I guess having outgoing weather helps with that.
 
I don't believe you, and you have completely misunderstood my point on Brexit views.

Your Shakespeare logic is laughable. Reading Shakespeare and passing an opinion on it is very different to having a one-sided experience of life in the EU.

Anyway, Remain lost. Liberalism is dead. Get over it and move on.

You can believe what you like. My final salary NHS pension - almost 40% of my current income is already due. Unlike the private sector my cohort can enjoy ours at 60! My wife will get her - also final salary - pension in a few years too. These are consolations which will soothe our own feelings about Brexit. Of course, after Scotland leaves the UK we will rejoin EU.

And ideologies never die, they have cycles. The current right-wing-nut madness will pass. Our son's generation is (thankfully) even more left than we were when we marched against the Vietnam war and thrilled to the songs of Dylan and Joan Baez.

And your views about Europe/EU are extra-ordinary to us liberals.
 
There are so many English retired people living in Mallorca, Malaga or near Alicante etc.
Come to Spain if all plans fall apart :)


I highly doubt so. Especially now that present Pak government are trying their utmost best regarding Kartarpur corridor etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvnjZMXb5dE

As I said we did carefully evaluate Spain but the problem with the visa for wife remains. Also it really is not that warm in winter. The temperatures in north-east India are extremely pleasant with highs of around 25 and lows of 10 - 15 in December to Feb and somewhat higher in autumn and spring. Kerala of course is much warmer at all times.
As for visiting Pakistan, thanks for the heads-up. I will definitely look into it next year.
 
Come to Australia Bro, let's settle this India/Pakistan/Kashmir/BJP/RSS/Hindutva/Imran Khan issues for good.


:)

Nothing to settle, one man has built hospitals saving peoples lives, the other has built a web of hate in his own nation.

Australia seems a great place but a bit too far to live away from the UK. Also hearing the Aussie commies, puts me off from the people who seem dim and dim witted. :)
 
You can believe what you like. My final salary NHS pension - almost 40% of my current income is already due. Unlike the private sector my cohort can enjoy ours at 60! My wife will get her - also final salary - pension in a few years too. These are consolations which will soothe our own feelings about Brexit. Of course, after Scotland leaves the UK we will rejoin EU.

And ideologies never die, they have cycles. The current right-wing-nut madness will pass. Our son's generation is (thankfully) even more left than we were when we marched against the Vietnam war and thrilled to the songs of Dylan and Joan Baez.

And your views about Europe/EU are extra-ordinary to us liberals.

Okay. I will give you the benefit of doubt, however my point still stands, to understand the full effect of the EU, one has to experience life prior to the EU, not rely on illegal soundbites. Anecdotel it may be, but it's a qualified opinion based on qualified experience.

For the record, I am fully supportive of an economic union (EEC) and economic migrants, but I opposed the political union that is the EU for reasons which can be discussed in a separate thread.
 
Okay. I will give you the benefit of doubt, however my point still stands, to understand the full effect of the EU, one has to experience life prior to the EU, not rely on illegal soundbites. Anecdotel it may be, but it's a qualified opinion based on qualified experience.

For the record, I am fully supportive of an economic union (EEC) and economic migrants, but I opposed the political union that is the EU for reasons which can be discussed in a separate thread.

What are illegal soundbites? - pray explain.
And there won't be any economic union let alone economic migrants. Isn't that what you voted for? No more migrants - European or anyone else. Certainly not those brown-skinned types from India/Pakistan/Bangladesh with their funny accents and smelly foods. Eeh by gum I'll nowt 'ave any o'tha mooky stoof eeh luv.
 
What are illegal soundbites? - pray explain.
And there won't be any economic union let alone economic migrants. Isn't that what you voted for? No more migrants - European or anyone else. Certainly not those brown-skinned types from India/Pakistan/Bangladesh with their funny accents and smelly foods. Eeh by gum I'll nowt 'ave any o'tha mooky stoof eeh luv.

Lol! Not illegal - bloody spellcheck! I meant illiterate! As in, unverified acceptance of media sound-bites, sheep!

Speaking of funny accents, loving the reverse psychology, albeit pointless.
 
What are illegal soundbites? - pray explain.
And there won't be any economic union let alone economic migrants. Isn't that what you voted for? No more migrants - European or anyone else. Certainly not those brown-skinned types from India/Pakistan/Bangladesh with their funny accents and smelly foods. Eeh by gum I'll nowt 'ave any o'tha mooky stoof eeh luv.

Ha ha! I don't think most of the Brexit voting working class even know what they voted for. If they were told the EU migrants would be replaced by former empire dark people, they would probably have thought again.
 
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I hate the cold, so Canada is no go. Northern Europe can get cold but has little wind so doesnt feel so bad. Also NE deal with snow better than anywhere else, nothing stops.

So far, if I was to leave the UK it would be NE. Aus, US, Cananda not appealing. UAE, Pakistan is a possibility.
 
I would say Australia is the best place to live. It is clean, welcoming, multicultural, big and not too expensive when it comes to housing. Employment opportunities are decent.

Australis has a really good vibe, calm and peaceful.
 
And yet they still provide flights to over a 190 international destinations. What a turnaround after almost being wiped out.
Lol!
Yes my bad!
I had been up since 4am fot the cricket, my mind wasnt quite as fresh as it could have been when i wrote that.
Funny comment though, i be looking out for your posts in the future!
 
You appear to have some interest in medicine and sciences - so please , please do some reading. Not just the History channel.

Vacccination is known to have saved far, far more lives than antibiotics. In Jenner's time 10% of UK population died from smallpox. And it was Jenner who did this work by innoculating a child called James Phipps with cowpox in 1796. Your Louis Pasteur was born in 1822 and was responsible for the germ theory of disease. He invented pasteurisation and many other things, but not immunisation against smallpox. Please don't lecture a professional on his profession - it's just not smart.

I am fully aware of our issues with antibiotics resistance and no, it's not our biggest worry. I have to prescribe them all the time and have to be aware of these issues. There are several new classes of antibiotics in development and more importantly multiple new targets for microbicidal chemicals being developed. A whole new CLASS of antibiotics was isolated last year so I don't know where you got 40 years from. The primary problem is not knowledge but rather who will fund the research.
BTW - it's not penicillin resistance that we worry about. We have dozens of antibiotics for pen resistance. MRSA = Methicillin resistant staph aureus. And we have antibiotics for that one as well.

I do not know whether Jenner's work led to "billions" saved, bit of hype there; and Fleming really did very little if anything to develop penicillin. One of the most undeserving nobels of all time. Most antibiotics were not discovered in any single country.

Mendel did early work in inherited characteristics - genetics; he did no work on evolution. Plus he was not Belgian. He was born in a place which is currently part of the Czech republic. Perhaps you are thinking about Darwins co-author Wallace. Again, a bit of reading and fact checking would be helpful.

In my experience fantasies of national superiority help various personality types to cope with their situations in life. If you are one of them then I wish you all the best with the rest of your life.

Finally I really cannot work out what you mean by your first sentence.

I was refering to darwin when i wrote evolution.
I said mendel was responsible for discovery of ginetics.

I know louie pasteur did wotk on germ thery and pasteurised milk gets its name from him, but i did mistakenly think he was the one who notice the milkmaids resistance to small pox. The connection of milk and milkmaids probably got me confused, but as you rightly say, it was jenner. Did this stuff in school history lessons, a very , very long time ago, so you can forgive me for forgetting.
As far as i know, no new class of antibiotics have come on the market for about 40 odd years, new class i heard on the news was discovered a few years back, but not on the market.

Alfred Wallace was a SCOT, not from europe, another GREAT BRITON, who had the idea of evolution at the same time as darwin. They were NOT co- writers, but did have some scientific papers published together, which forced darwin to publish his book, which he had been delaying til that point.
Maybe you should do some reading up and fact finding before you post next time as well, looks bad as a self proclaimed expert in the field does not even know such well known and famous facts.
Me i have an interest in all general knowledge, but biology/medicine and the history of, is not my specialised field, but i can tell you this, i wouldnt make such simple basic errors in my specialist field, professor!

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!
 
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I politely request people from overseas to be respectable of our great and wonderful nation and our people.
If our nation is not up to your expectations, then quite frankly, no one is forcing you to stay here!

GREAT BRITAIN THE GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD!

RULE BRITANNIA, BRITANNIA RULES THE WORLD!
 
The 'point' was that it was largely people with accents like that who drove the brexit vote and have now given the Cons carte blanche to screw my (and yours) NHS.

Well that's not hard to deduce. The north decimated after Thatcher, and then decimated after 2008 financial crash.

Doesn't take a genius to figure out how the North would vote. Though of course you have forgotten Wales and the rest of England whom voted in their droves to leave.

What's done is done now. Politicians never learn. Brexit is the symptom, austerity is the cause. You want to save OUR NHS then fix the underlying capitalist system.
 
I politely request people from overseas to be respectable of our great and wonderful nation and our people.
If our nation is not up to your expectations, then quite frankly, no one is forcing you to stay here!

GREAT BRITAIN THE GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD!

RULE BRITANNIA, BRITANNIA RULES THE WORLD!

My God.

You are NOT White. You are a p*ki like the rest of us. You're embarrassing yourself and others alike.
Not a SINGLE white dude would see you as British lol

Stop with the inferiority complex. This is like a White Guy going to India and saying I'm an Indian now lol. That's not how it works

Be proud of your background. Don't run away from it
 
Alfred Wallace was a SCOT, not from europe, another GREAT BRITON, who had the idea of evolution at the same time as darwin. They were NOT co- writers, but did have some scientific papers published together, which forced darwin to publish his book, which he had been delaying til that point.
Maybe you should do some reading up and fact finding before you post next time as well, looks bad as a self proclaimed expert in the field does not even know such well known and famous facts.
Me i have an interest in all general knowledge, but biology/medicine and the history of, is not my specialised field, but i can tell you this, i wouldnt make such simple basic errors in my specialist field, professor!

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!

Darwin and Wallace were co-authors on the first paper published on the theory of natural selection.

Darwin was writing up his theory in 1858 when he received an essay from Alfred Russel Wallace who was in Borneo, describing Wallace's own theory of natural selection, prompting immediate joint publication of extracts from Darwin's 1844 essay together with Wallace's paper as On the Tendency of Species to form Varieties; and on the Perpetuation of Varieties and Species by Natural Means of Selection in a presentation to the Linnaean Society on 1 July 1858.

Hence they were co-authors. That does not, of course, imply they worked together or wrote anything else.

Not sure why you imagined I was expert in the field of evolution. I said I am a professional - in medicine.
As in that is my profession. And in this context, off the top of my head, 3 antibiotics - Ceftobiprole, Tedizolid and Oritavancin were released for use between 2014 -16. An entirely new class - teixobactin - is currently undergoing human trials. The biggest hurdle, as I stated earlier is that most pharmaceutical companies do not wish to invest in the cost of development which can run up to 1 billion dollars.

Back to your books young man! And btw, this thread is not the NHS one!
 
Get Brexit Done - was a party slogan during an election campaign. Whoever came up with it, should be knighted. Perhaps the most effective slogan in UK elections - in my living memory.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...haps-greatest-example-golden-slogan-lifetime/

You were ranting about media soundbites -
"I meant illiterate! As in, unverified acceptance of media sound-bites, sheep!".

I thought that I would just supply an example. Certainly plenty of those you call sheep fell for it.
 
Well that's not hard to deduce. The north decimated after Thatcher, and then decimated after 2008 financial crash.

Doesn't take a genius to figure out how the North would vote. Though of course you have forgotten Wales and the rest of England whom voted in their droves to leave.

What's done is done now. Politicians never learn. Brexit is the symptom, austerity is the cause. You want to save OUR NHS then fix the underlying capitalist system.

The curious thing is that the extreme example of "capitalism" (excuse the pun) in this country - London -voted overwhelmingly to remain. So no, I don't think we can blame capitalism; much as I would love to.
 
You were ranting about media soundbites -
"I meant illiterate! As in, unverified acceptance of media sound-bites, sheep!".

I thought that I would just supply an example. Certainly plenty of those you call sheep fell for it.

Slogan and sound bite are two different things. It's obvious but go ahead, argue at will. Just admit it, the most effective 3 words In Tory history.
 
The curious thing is that the extreme example of "capitalism" (excuse the pun) in this country - London -voted overwhelmingly to remain. So no, I don't think we can blame capitalism; much as I would love to.

Austerity breeds fascism and crime. Once again Brexit is a symptom. You go right ahead and blame the weather.
 
Slogan and sound bite are two different things. It's obvious but go ahead, argue at will. Just admit it, the most effective 3 words In Tory history.

You are probably too young to remember " Labour's not working". Positively Wildean compared to "get brexit done".
 
Austerity breeds fascism and crime. Once again Brexit is a symptom. You go right ahead and blame the weather.

Brexit may be a manifestation of a whole gamut of causes; but it will still turn out to be the greatest act of self-harm that this once great nation has inflicted upon itself.
 
Brexit may be a manifestation of a whole gamut of causes; but it will still turn out to be the greatest act of self-harm that this once great nation has inflicted upon itself.

Pessimism has no place in society. So much for the 'Bulldog spirit' ey?
 
My God.

You are NOT White. You are a p*ki like the rest of us. You're embarrassing yourself and others alike.
Not a SINGLE white dude would see you as British lol

Stop with the inferiority complex. This is like a White Guy going to India and saying I'm an Indian now lol. That's not how it works

Be proud of your background. Don't run away from it
Wow!
I do not have an inferiority complex, but YOU certainly do!
I am a proud brown brit of Pakistani/indian heritage.
I have no confusion of who i am, i do not think i am white, i am brown and proud. Being british is not associated with skin colour except in the deluded minds of racists, which i have to say, unfortunately , you sound like.
Just like american italians are proud of their italian heritage but consider themselves as americans, i too am proud of my Pakistani heritage and consider myself British.
I know alot of white british people who fully and unequivocally,.would condemn your racist slur, that they do not think of people of colour as british, we have two such friends on this forum, who would confirm that [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION]

My family has white, brown(pakistani, indian and bangladeshi) and black people in it. We are all family and treat each other with love and respect and whats more, we are all proud BRITONS!
You need to come to terms with who you are and stop hiding behind the excuse of not being accepted and all white people are racist, when you yourself hold racist views about others.
 
Brexit may be a manifestation of a whole gamut of causes; but it will still turn out to be the greatest act of self-harm that this once great nation has inflicted upon itself.
Wrong again!
Signing the Maastricht Treaty in 1992 was the greatest act of self harm that this great nation inflicted upon itself. Going from a trade partnership with our european friends to an integrated union or united states of europe.
This was the day brexit was born!
And on 31st Jan 2020 we will finally heal from that terrible self inflicted wound of the Maastricht Treaty.
 
You are probably too young to remember " Labour's not working". Positively Wildean compared to "get brexit done".
That poster of the unemployed people in that queue which stretch for what seemed like miles, is were we would have been, if we stayed in the EU and had 5 million more europeans settle here.
 
Darwin and Wallace were co-authors on the first paper published on the theory of natural selection.

Darwin was writing up his theory in 1858 when he received an essay from Alfred Russel Wallace who was in Borneo, describing Wallace's own theory of natural selection, prompting immediate joint publication of extracts from Darwin's 1844 essay together with Wallace's paper as On the Tendency of Species to form Varieties; and on the Perpetuation of Varieties and Species by Natural Means of Selection in a presentation to the Linnaean Society on 1 July 1858.

Hence they were co-authors. That does not, of course, imply they worked together or wrote anything else.

Not sure why you imagined I was expert in the field of evolution. I said I am a professional - in medicine.
As in that is my profession. And in this context, off the top of my head, 3 antibiotics - Ceftobiprole, Tedizolid and Oritavancin were released for use between 2014 -16. An entirely new class - teixobactin - is currently undergoing human trials. The biggest hurdle, as I stated earlier is that most pharmaceutical companies do not wish to invest in the cost of development which can run up to 1 billion dollars.

Back to your books young man! And btw, this thread is not the NHS one!
What have you written that is different from what i said above, apart from you going into detail ?
 
Canada but only if you live near a major city like Toronto or Vancouver. I don't think there are many jobs elsewhere.

If I was to live anywhere else I'd move to Switzerland.

Would never live in an Asian country.

Canada, in general, is not a nice place to live in at all. You are probably saying this because you were raised close to central toronto. The rest of us had to live in places like Brampton. Brampton is a hellhole. I would love to move out of here one day.
 
Canada, in general, is not a nice place to live in at all. You are probably saying this because you were raised close to central toronto. The rest of us had to live in places like Brampton. Brampton is a hellhole. I would love to move out of here one day.

Lmao :))

I grew up in Brampton and still go back when I'm not in uni. Come at me again. Brampton is probably better than any Indian or Pakistani city.

The only reason why I moved out was because commuting to Downtown during the winter would've been hell for me.
 
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I politely request people from overseas to be respectable of our great and wonderful nation and our people.
If our nation is not up to your expectations, then quite frankly, no one is forcing you to stay here!

GREAT BRITAIN THE GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD!

RULE BRITANNIA, BRITANNIA RULES THE WORLD!

Lol, you have totally lost the marbles.
 
Lmao :))

I grew up in Brampton and still go back when I'm not in uni. Come at me again. Brampton is probably better than any Indian or Pakistani city.

The only reason why I moved out was because commuting to Downtown during the winter would've been hell for me.

Oh wow. Didn't expect that. I would love to move towards the city as well. UoT (my uni) is so far away from where I live in Brampton.
 
This will be an unpopular opinion on here but for a British Pakistan, the US is a great country to live in. Houses are bigger and more affordable, there's a lot of climatic variation, lots of Muslims including Pakistanis, there are also a lot of employment and business opportunities. The British pound will take you further here, also with a British degree, work experience and accent I think you'll have really good employment chances thus you'll have good health insurance so it'll make up for the NHS as long you're employed/doing well.
 
This will be an unpopular opinion on here but for a British Pakistan, the US is a great country to live in. Houses are bigger and more affordable, there's a lot of climatic variation, lots of Muslims including Pakistanis, there are also a lot of employment and business opportunities. The British pound will take you further here, also with a British degree, work experience and accent I think you'll have really good employment chances thus you'll have good health insurance so it'll make up for the NHS as long you're employed/doing well.

It would be pleasant without far right racists like you in the states, besides your anti-black posts you have attacked black posters with the childish skinhead jerk chicken remarks etc it's funny considering you have that liberate phalestine gimmick, so no thank you Mr.Trump and I also don't want to get shot, am much better off here.
 
Everything is better than India, Pakistan, UK, and the USA these days.
 
India is not even the best country for indians, let alone Foreigners. Large indian diaspora and and increasing number of migrants out of the country are an indicator of it. Also after the increase in intolerance and polarisation of Indian society under BJP, its probably one of the worse places for anyone with links to Pakistan (like Brit Pakistanis). What a pity, as its the land if my ancestors and i would ve loved to spend some years in India after retirement

Dont worry brother, india and Pakistan were great countries, just going through some tough times at the moment, Pakistan financially and India religiously , but both countries will very soon be great again, Insha Allah.
Might even one day rival the greatest country in the world - Great Britain, but thats a long, long way away.
 
I wonder if Harry and Meghan choosing Canada over UK, US, and Australia pretty much settles this debate lol :)
 
I wonder if Harry and Meghan choosing Canada over UK, US, and Australia pretty much settles this debate lol :)

Coz they will be royalty still in Canada unlike other countries that you mentioned who wants to take their security bill.
 
Coz they will be royalty still in Canada unlike other countries that you mentioned who wants to take their security bill.

Actually their Royal status is not recognized in Canada unlike other Commonwealth countries. They might get help on their security bill but I'd be surprised if that happens as the public opinion is very much against it.
 
Actually their Royal status is not recognized in Canada unlike other Commonwealth countries. They might get help on their security bill but I'd be surprised if that happens as the public opinion is very much against it.

You are right she won’t be royal , my bad on that.
 
This will be an unpopular opinion on here but for a British Pakistan, the US is a great country to live in. Houses are bigger and more affordable, there's a lot of climatic variation, lots of Muslims including Pakistanis, there are also a lot of employment and business opportunities. The British pound will take you further here, also with a British degree, work experience and accent I think you'll have really good employment chances thus you'll have good health insurance so it'll make up for the NHS as long you're employed/doing well.

Nah, no cricket, no football. Granted US has a lot of great natural beauty and everything money can buy but the people of a nation matter to your life. I guess it depends where you live in the US.
 
Norway, Sweden and Finland are very high on the Human Development Index. If you can cope with the cold winters and long dark.

Australia is high on the index too.

I would not mind emigrating to my old Dad’s land of Ireland. They are in the EU and more liberal than the UK is now. And they might reunify, closing a hundred-year schism.
 
Wow!
I do not have an inferiority complex, but YOU certainly do!
I am a proud brown brit of Pakistani/indian heritage.
I have no confusion of who i am, i do not think i am white, i am brown and proud. Being british is not associated with skin colour except in the deluded minds of racists, which i have to say, unfortunately , you sound like.
Just like american italians are proud of their italian heritage but consider themselves as americans, i too am proud of my Pakistani heritage and consider myself British.
I know alot of white british people who fully and unequivocally,.would condemn your racist slur, that they do not think of people of colour as british, we have two such friends on this forum, who would confirm that [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION]

My family has white, brown(pakistani, indian and bangladeshi) and black people in it. We are all family and treat each other with love and respect and whats more, we are all proud BRITONS!
You need to come to terms with who you are and stop hiding behind the excuse of not being accepted and all white people are racist, when you yourself hold racist views about others.

Aye [MENTION=149691]Captain caveman[/MENTION]. You are as British as me.
 
Wrong again!
Signing the Maastricht Treaty in 1992 was the greatest act of self harm that this great nation inflicted upon itself. Going from a trade partnership with our european friends to an integrated union or united states of europe.
This was the day brexit was born!
And on 31st Jan 2020 we will finally heal from that terrible self inflicted wound of the Maastricht Treaty.

I am not so sure. While I believe that Maastricht should have been decided by a referendum, if you go back to 2014 there was a survey revealing that very few people thought the EU was a concern. They were worried about the NHS and terrorism. Then oligarchs convinced 52% of the ordinary folk that they would be better off outside the EU.
 
US? why do you say that

- No health care
- No Gun control
- Massive prices for schooling and education
- The government in hands of a total *****
- Country and its people act solely based on media that is far from neutral

I can continue.
 
No country is even close to Norway, I am afraid.

And now with mild temperatures in January it makes it even better:)
 
- No health care
- No Gun control
- Massive prices for schooling and education
- The government in hands of a total *****
- Country and its people act solely based on media that is far from neutral

I can continue.
- We don't have universal healthcare but there is private health insurance which all middle class professionals have, also America has some of the best hospitals, doctors, medical staff, medicines, and treatments.
- There is a gun control, just not strict enough. Assault rifles are still legal in most states however most of the 'blue states' have banned them.
- Schooling? Schools are free from Kindergarten till 12th grade, most Americans attend public schools. You only have to pay for college which is indeed expensive and is an issue that is on the agenda for Democratic politicians, that said for now community colleges are very cheap so you can complete 2 of the 4 years of a bachelors for no debt and then transfer to a mid tier state college where tuition is affordable (>$10,000) if you commute from home.
- Agreed
- That's a big generalization.
 
I wonder if Harry and Meghan choosing Canada over UK, US, and Australia pretty much settles this debate lol :)

It doesn't lol. Harry had to choose Canada because they have the British monarch, Canada is part of their realm whereas America overthrew the monarch in 1776 thus America won't provide state sponsored security to Harry and his wife whereas Canada being a dominion of the Queen are obligated to provide security to their prince so in reality Harry only had a choice between Canada, Australia, New Zealand and few smaller nations that still have kept the Windsors as their monarch. America was never an option or if it was it'd be costly and Americans would be annoyed cause we wanted nothing to do with the monarchy since independence.
 
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