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Who is a better odi player among the two?Both very destructive and are one of the greats of the game.
 
They played in different era and so it's difficult to compare

De Villiers is playing in the era of T20's and plays a lot of unconventional shots

Jayasuriya played only authentic cricket shots

I would give Jayasuriya the edge
 
Jayasurya revolutionalised ODI's he will never be forgotten.. He has etched his name in history..

ABD is a far better batsman however unless he wins CT and 2019 WC 15 years from now he will not be remembered as the best..
 
ABD is playing in the modern era which is better than old "tuk tuk" era.
AB>Sanath
 
I am not a huge fan of AB but he is, surprisingly, really underrated on this forum. The guy is easily among the top 10 ODI batsmen of all time, if not top 5. Give it a rest guys, as far as only batting is concerned, AB >> Jayasuriya. If you take into account Jayasuriya's bowling and AB's fielding - still I would take AB for his ridiculous consistency.
 
Jayasuriya was a big deal no doubt and really his greatness cant be captured with stats but AB with his innovative shot hitting ability and brilliant consistency edges out the former hands down who wasn't that consistent enough.

As a cricketer too, I will pick AB due to his excellent fielding ability.

AB is also a better test bat although that has to do nothing with this thread.
 
I used to rate Jaysuriya above Sachin when I didn't understand stats. He was entertaining to watch and destroyed every top bowler. I'm going with Jayasuriya purely for his All-rounder skills. In terms of batting I still edge towards Jaysuriya again because he was man of the series in 1996 world cup and many tri-series. ABD maybe a better skilled batsman but I don't see him performing under pressure like Jayasuriya. Look at the MOM and MOS awards. Cleary Jayasuriya is a match winner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_of_the_Match_awards_(cricket)
 
Ab Fan said:
Jayasuriya was a big deal no doubt and really his greatness cant be captured with stats but AB with his innovative shot hitting ability and brilliant consistency edges out the former hands down who wasn't that consistent enough.

As a cricketer too, I will pick AB due to his excellent fielding ability.

AB is also a better test bat although that has to do nothing with this thread.
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Jayasuriya's greatness cant be captured with stats. Look at his MOM and MOS awards. He is clearly a match winner on another level. ABD can't perform when his team needs him and therefore his value is well below. Innovation is all nice but what about match performance. He was a beast in Tri-series tournament finals and qualification matches. Jayasuriya and Ganguly both are a step above ABD.
 
Absolute joke of a comparison. With all due respect to Sanath, he can't hold a candle to ABD. ABD is among the top 5 ODI batsmen ever and has a great chance to finish at the top if he gets that one amazing WC. What's Sanath's average in non-Asia? Ok, don't get me there, that's probably harsh. What's his overall away average? oh, that's a bit too much. Ok, let's keep it simple, what's his overall career average?. Oh..even that's too low for a "great" player. And he is compared to the most destructive, and at the same time, the most consistent player ever? What a farce! Past players are unbelievably overrated and at the same time, AB is hugely undermined (only on this forum) every now and then with these kind of comparisons. I know cricket isn't all about stats, but the gap is just too wide to ignore.
 
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Specialisttailender said:
Jayasuriya's greatness cant be captured with stats. Look at his MOM and MOS awards. He is clearly a match winner on another level. ABD can't perform when his team needs him and therefore his value is well below. Innovation is all nice but what about match performance. He was a beast in Tri-series tournament finals and qualification matches. Jayasuriya and Ganguly both are a step above ABD.
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Jayasuriya wasn't that consistent mate. In an era when the best bats in the world were averaging 39-42, he was having an avg of 31-32 although at a great SR but that avg is too low. There were some stiff competitors in his era like Sachin, Lara, Anwar, Waugh,Ganguly and de Silva but with AB, there is hardly anyone barring Kohli. Others like Smith, Rohit, Guptill, Amla,Root are level below.
 
AB de Villiers by some distance, and I rate Sanath very highly. Between him and Gilchrist, I always struggle to pick one for my all-time ODI XI.
 
Jayasuria as an overall ODI cricketer.He played a big part in revolutionizing batting in ODI's.He was also a handy bowler.
 
Mamoon said:
AB de Villiers by some distance, and I rate Sanath very highly. Between him and Gilchrist, I always struggle to pick one for my all-time ODI XI.
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I'd say:

Gilchrist
Jaya
Ponting
Kohli
Richards
MSD
Klusener
Wasim
Warne
Mcgrath
Bond
 
AB is definitely the better and more skilled bat for mine but as players tho I think Sana brings more to the table. Also for the moment I think Sana has ticked off more boxes. AB still has a few things left to prove.
 
AB is the better player, but Jayasuriya can't be measured by stats. Take a look at his MoM and MoS to know what kind of player he was. I have no idea what Jayasuriya's strike rate would've been in modern day.
 
AB averages 20+ higher than Sanath in ODIs. The difference is so big that even different eras is not a valid excuse.
 
The_Odd_One said:
AB averages 20+ higher than Sanath in ODIs. The difference is so big that even different eras is not a valid excuse.
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Nobody is saying Jayasuriya is better, ABD might be the most talented batsman of all time in ODIs even. But one should not measure Jayasuriya by stats, him and Richards created the art of aggressive batting in cricket.
 
sanath Jaysurya

Because perform against the great fast bowling like mcgrath brett lee gallispee wasim waqar shoaib.
 
Jaya did it in an era where it wasnt so heavily favoured to batsmen and destroyed most bowlers around the world and on that basis id put him ahead of AB.
 
No comparison, AB is level above Jayasuriya once you remove nostalgia from the equation. I don't care how revolutionary he was, Jayasuriya still averaged barely 30 with the bat and even worse against the top sides.

People get upset when WG Grace is called the greatest cricketer ever but don't see their own hypocrisy by picking the likes of Jayasuriya over de Villiers in these this thread.
 
Firstly you cant compare Jayasuriya the allrounder with ABD as a lot of people here are doing. They should be compared as pure batsmen and even then there is no comparison. Jayasuriya started off as an allrounder, batting low in the order and even when he started opening he wasn't exactly expected to score a lot every time he went out to bat. His role was to get SL off too a quick start even if it cost him his wicket (which it often did). ABD on the other hand is a complete batsman with an unparalleled array of shots. It doesn't make sense to compare the two.
 
ABD as a batsman pretty easily , although Sanath w.r.t nostalgia of 90s and the impact he had on his team winning the WC is tremendous.

Have more memories is Sanaths knocks compared to ABD but skill wise ABD is on diff level to probably anyone in ODI cricket.
 
Joke of a comparison. Jayasuriya easily. He actually made his performance count. While AB, a fine cricketer, but hardly ever seem him making an impact on the game.

If it is for best poses for photos, then AB by a distance.
 
Jayasuriya, Viv and Azharuddin would have made bowlers of today shed tears with modern day big bats, shorter boundaries and easy pitches. Jaysuriya eat big sixes easily for a short player and Azharuddin used to hit big 100M sixes even with those small bats.
 
Also for those calling AB a choker, please check Jayasuriya's performance in ICC events. He only ever scored big against minnows. The only meaningful contribution he made with the bat was in the 2007 final and that too wasn't his best. Yes, he revolutionized the game, but he wasn't the first (player like Saeed Anwer and Mark Greatbatch had done it before him) and only half of the partnership that did it. His achievements notwithstanding, his batting ability is not comparable to someone like ABD who is easily one of the best batsman to ever play the game. So yes as a complete package he made a great impact in ODIs but comparing jayasuriya the allrounder with ABD the batsman is nonsensical.
 
amvbfm said:
Also for those calling AB a choker, please check Jayasuriya's performance in ICC events. He only ever scored big against minnows. The only meaningful contribution he made with the bat was in the 2007 final and that too wasn't his best. Yes, he revolutionized the game, but he wasn't the first (player like Saeed Anwer and Mark Greatbatch had done it before him) and only half of the partnership that did it. His achievements notwithstanding, his batting ability is not comparable to someone like ABD who is easily one of the best batsman to ever play the game. So yes as a complete package he made a great impact in ODIs but comparing jayasuriya the allrounder with ABD the batsman is nonsensical.
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1996 WC QF and semis..He was the player of the series.

We are comparing them overall as a player which we can do for any one.
 
SLcric123 said:
1996 WC QF and semis..He was the player of the series.

We are comparing them overall as a player which we can do for any one.
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Couldn't get to double figures in the semis and final, and the innings in the qf was against one of the most hapless sides England has ever fielded in a WC. Had it not been for the ridiculous format of the tournament, England would've gone home a lot earlier. And still can't see how an allrounder can be compared with a pure batsman, unless it's just for batting.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Nobody is saying Jayasuriya is better, ABD might be the most talented batsman of all time in ODIs even. But one should not measure Jayasuriya by stats, him and Richards created the art of aggressive batting in cricket.
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Qadir reinvented leg spin. That does not make him a better leggie than Warne.
 
No one matches jayasuriya, it is him who showed the world how to play modern day cricket. these days the batsmen like AB just follow the footsteps of great jayasuriya.
so Jaya>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AB
 
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ABD surpassed Jayasuriya years ago. It's now a joke to compare someone who averages 55 with someone who averaged 35.

I wonder if people rate Sarfaraz Nawaz better than Dale Steyn because Nawaz invented reverse swing (along with Imran) and Steyn is simply following in his footsteps.
 
ShahidDar08 said:
No one matches jayasuriya, it is him who showed the world how to play modern day cricket. these days the batsmen like AB just follow the footsteps of great jayasuriya.
so Jaya>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AB
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You're clearly wrong
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It is unfair to compare Jayasuriya with ABD and is another weird comparison. Jaya was not a batsman primarily when he started playing for SL. He batted lower down the order mostly at the start of his career. Only around 1994 did he start to open the batting. His average was around 14 with the bat before he started to open regularly. We are talking about around 50 ODI games here. Even when he started to open, it was just an experiment by SL. To push him up the order as a pinch hitter. Jaya did extremely well to push his average from 14 to 32 at the end of his career. He also took 323 wickets to boot. He was SL's most valuable player.

New Zealand was the first team to start this pinch hitting thing with Mark Greatbatch in 1992 world cup and they were fairly successful. This was a time when a score of 50 in 15 overs was considered norm. The next instance was when Sachin Tendulkar was pushed to open the batting in 1994 when Siddhu got injured. Sachin scored 82 of 49 balls which was unheard of by an opener. We have had lower order batters or middle order batters play such innings in the slog but an opener was always supposed to see off the new ball. Sachin broke that when he started to open during that series. He scored 1 or 2 more fifties at more than a run a ball in that ODI series and rest is history. Around the same time SL tried their experiment with Kalu and Jaya in Australia in 1994/95 where Kalu outperformed Jaya by a huge distance. Kalu hammered McGrath and Warne so easily that I thought at that time, Kalu will become some sort of a great with the bat.

So Jaya was never meant to be an opener in SL batting order, it was an experiment which became successful. From a batsman who batted as low as number 8 for SL to scoring 12700 runs with 28 hundreds as an opener, Jaya achieved a lot. More that lots of players did during that time. So this is indeed an unfair comparison as Jaya wasn't a specialist batter but ABD is.

Pardon me if my dates are little off as I am just posting this from my memory of watching the game in the 90's.
 
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Mr. 360 for the sole fact of consistency if Sanath averaged around 38 then I would've gave it to him, but an average of 32 is way too low.
 
The question is of player,not better batsman.

Sanath is an underrated bowler, taking 368 wickets. At his prime, he was more than a handy 5th bowling option for Sri Lanka


The difference is not much
 
Sanath as an overall odi player edges AbDV. But as a pure batsman and a choker , ABDV is ahead. The nostalgia that sanath created ,can not be reached by ABDV.
 
Savage said:
You're clearly wrong
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I suggest you to go through the quality of bowling Jaya used to thrash. I don't think AB has faced any world class bowler
 
ABDV- more consistent, equally destructive and far better against quality bowling attacks( Sanath hasn't done much apart from Indian bashing).

Sanath was much better under pressure however unlike AB.
 
Players like Lala and Sanath can't be judged by stats alone. Impact and sheer game changing ability is vastly underrated. Even in IPL, ABD doesn't make me nervous when MI is bowling to him. I know he will find some way to lose a match.

This is purely for LOs.
 
tough but goes to ABD,,,batsaman who can keep,good fielder ....jaysuria was not reliable as a bat while handy with the ball.
 
ABDV is better, by a distance. Sanath was great but let's be realistic here. ABDV has a much wider range of shots .
 
AB , but I dont think the game is that big . Jaya these days most likely would have been averaging above 50 at 110+ taking away matches for his team .
 
Did you guys forget Jaya’s 100 run partnership with a tailender where tails contribution was 0 or some single digit.
 
ABD is better, and I have seen Jaya whole career, as a batsman Jaya is overrated and as a all rounder underrated, Jaya is what Afridi wanted to become all his career.
Even when Sanath was playing he was not the best batsman of his era and I dare say not even top three . He was most impactful but not the best.
ABD as a batsman is on just another level. He is best of era alongside Virat . My only criticism is, that he acts like a coward and instead of coming as a no. 3 batsman, he comes at 4 or 5.
 
Jayasuriya used to send chills in the spines of opposition fans. I can never forget the epic thrashing he used to dish out to Prasad, Srinath, Kuruvilla and other trundlers.

I would pick Jaya ahead of ABD in my Eleven just for the sheer destruction and you need someone like him at the top to set the tone for the match. 1 hour of Jayasuriya is enough to win the ODI.

However, ABD is a better batsman and its no contest there.
 
big_gamer007 said:
Jayasurya revolutionalised ODI's he will never be forgotten.. He has etched his name in history..

ABD is a far better batsman however unless he wins CT and 2019 WC 15 years from now he will not be remembered as the best..
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Rayyman said:
ABD is playing in the modern era which is better than old "tuk tuk" era.
AB>Sanath
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ABD, but Sanath was a pioneer of ODI cricket before the major overhaul of rules. Used to turbo boost the SL starts along with Kalu. An important part of the 96 WC winning team.
 
troodon said:
Jayasuriya used to send chills in the spines of opposition fans. I can never forget the epic thrashing he used to dish out to Prasad, Srinath, Kuruvilla and other trundlers.

I would pick Jaya ahead of ABD in my Eleven just for the sheer destruction and you need someone like him at the top to set the tone for the match. 1 hour of Jayasuriya is enough to win the ODI.

However, ABD is a better batsman and its no contest there.
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That is one thing I can never forget. We lose context when we compare present with past. Nobody gave us nightmares to us than Jayasuriya in my memory. Because he could hit any length we bowl to him. In mcc xi vs row Jayasuriya opened with Sachin. That is when we were relieved. They were facing McGrath, Donald.
 
Is this a joke, AB is miles ahead of Jaya as a player and batsman. AB is not just one of the greats of this era he is one of the greatest to have ever played this game.

ABDV's greatness is his worst enemy, SA abused this guy by asking him to fill any hole they had.They don't have finisher he is made their finisher and he becomes great in that role too. If he was allowed to become an opener , he would have had 35 plus hundreds by now.

Gilchrist is regarding best wk keeper batsmen ever but this guy has scored 7 test hundreds and 10 odis hundreds to go along with averages @ 58 and 70 respectively.That too in just 24 tests and 59 odis.

Those numbers are not just good they are insane.Thats how great this guy is there is nothing he cannot do and Jayasurya would have to dream to become AB.

SA have just taken advantage of this poor guy .
 
Tough question. People forget Jaya not only opened the batting and played some terrific innings, he was also a very handy bowler, with over 300 damn wickets! I mean that is all rounder territory. So, if I could only pick one in an ODI all time XI, I'd go for Jayasuriya.
 
ABD! Many people use 'era' and 'age' factors to compare batsmen of totally different leagues. That's unfair.

ABD is one of the most talented batsmen ever. The difference in class should be very clear to anyone who watched those two play. I saw people talking about the 'class' of the bowlers Jayasuriya faced. Actually Jayasuriya batted in an era where defensive bowling wasn't a big thing. Most of the deliveries were bowled at the 'good' length. Scoring a lot of runs at a high SR is much more difficult today, which is why we're seeing players like ABD who can send the ball flying in pretty much any direction.
 
This is Rohit Sharma era where we 200 can be made like nobody’s business. Mindset changed in T20 era. Not just AB can score at breakneck a speed. Array of batsmen can do the same. Maxwell, Miller, Rohit, Anderson , Guptill, Gayle.
 
Jayasuriya> anyone from the current era.

Forget de Villiers ,even the best batsmen of this era, Virat Kohli, strikes at 90 runs while Jayasuriya striked at 92 in 90s-00s.

Jayasuriya won 2 WC knockouts and was MOS while Kohli has done nothing in WC.
 
Kroll said:
ABD, but Sanath was a pioneer of ODI cricket before the major overhaul of rules. Used to turbo boost the SL starts along with Kalu. An important part of the 96 WC winning team.
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Exactly Sanath was a pioneer no doubt he will forever be remembered.. However people are being harsh on ABD as a batsman he is superior to Jayasurya.. Jayasurya revolutionalised the style and ABD improved on it.. As a batsman ABD has a case of being in top 5 ODI batsmen of all time along with Sachin, ponting, VK and Viv..

People are getting nostalgic about Sanath but reality is batting wise he is not close to ABD however as an innovator and impact wise he is far ahead but then he is far ahead of many better batsmen not just ABD.
 
Sanath Jayasuriya is most certainly an ATG.

Fun fact : Sanath Jayasuriya has more ODI wickets than Shane Warne (323 vs 293)
 
jusarrived said:
AB , but I dont think the game is that big . Jaya these days most likely would have been averaging above 50 at 110+ taking away matches for his team .
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AB easily, and the gap in terms of quality between the two is even larger than their averages (already huge). Jaya these days would average in 20s with a SR in 70s owing to smarter bowling strategies and higher fielding standards. Jaya had a limited number of go-to (release) shots, after all.
 
Jayasuriya beats AB de Villiers as a batsman alone.

Combining his more than handy off spin bowling, leadership qualities and a smile to die for he dwarfs ABD and most top cricketers of today. A genuine legend of the game.

Bhaijaan's top 3 Sri Lankan ODI batsmen of all time :-

1. Jayasuriya
2. De Silva
3. Dilshan 2.0
 
Absurd comparison. Sanath was never a top order player, so what he achieved was phenomenal. Sri Lanka tried to open with Sanath and Kaluwitharana in the 1994/95 season as a pinch hitting option and they turned out to be one of the most feared combination in the world. What Sanath achieved with the bat from batting at number 7 or 8 in the order to opening the batting was unbelievable. Comparing him with a top order batsman is a huge injustice to the legendary Sri Lankan. He was instrumental in SL winning the 1996 WC and also countless games in ODI with bat and ball. He also has a triple hundred in test cricket to boot.

ABD is way ahead of Sanath as a batsman but someone deciding to compare the two speaks volumes of the success the latter had in the top order in spite of being a lower order bat in the initial phase of his career (I think he batted 30-40 games below 6 in the order before being pushed to open).
 
Kroll said:
ABD, but Sanath was a pioneer of ODI cricket before the major overhaul of rules. Used to turbo boost the SL starts along with Kalu. An important part of the 96 WC winning team.
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This is a big misconception. Agreed that Sri Lanka were the first team to make this as a strategy by pushing Sanath and Kalu to open the batting but they were sent to open specifically to pinch hit. Sanath was a lower order bat with talent and Sri Lanka in 1994 decided to push him to open to see if he can give them a flying start and he succeeded. But when you look at the history of the game couple of teams had tried this before SL did.

In the 1991/92 WC after the first couple of games, NZ pushed Mark Greatbatch to open the batting with the exact same idea. Greatbatch provided similar impact for the hosts during the time when 230 was a winning score. In the smaller NZ grounds, Greatbatch surprised the world by going after the bowling and putting the bowlers out of their plans. NZ were extremely successful and reached the semi-finals before they ran into Inzamam.

In the year 1994, When Navjot Siddhu got injured, India decided to promote Sachin Tendulkar to open against New Zealand and Sachin absolutely blasted the NZ bowling attack to all parts on a pitch where the hosts were bowled out for 140 odd. He scored 82 of 49 balls. An innings even to date can be considered as relevant. Sachin continued to plunder runs at the top of the order, giving India some phenomenal starts in first 15 overs.

Both these events happened before Sanath took the world by storm. Only Sanath and Greatbatch were due to a plan by their respective teams but Sachin's success was random luck. India never meant for someone to go after the bowling in the 15 overs but Sachin just did that naturally and India got lucky.
 
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This is a big misconception. Agreed that Sri Lanka were the first team to make this as a strategy by pushing Sanath and Kalu to open the batting but they were sent to open specifically to pinch hit. Sanath was a lower order bat with talent and Sri Lanka in 1994 decided to push him to open to see if he can give them a flying start and he succeeded. But when you look at the history of the game couple of teams had tried this before SL did.

In the 1991/92 WC after the first couple of games, NZ pushed Mark Greatbatch to open the batting with the exact same idea. Greatbatch provided similar impact for the hosts during the time when 230 was a winning score. In the smaller NZ grounds, Greatbatch surprised the world by going after the bowling and putting the bowlers out of their plans. NZ were extremely successful and reached the semi-finals before they ran into Inzamam.

In the year 1994, When Navjot Siddhu got injured, India decided to promote Sachin Tendulkar to open against New Zealand and Sachin absolutely blasted the NZ bowling attack to all parts on a pitch where the hosts were bowled out for 140 odd. He scored 82 of 49 balls. An innings even to date can be considered as relevant. Sachin continued to plunder runs at the top of the order, giving India some phenomenal starts in first 15 overs.

Both these events happened before Sanath took the world by storm. Only Sanath and Greatbatch were due to a plan by their respective teams but Sachin's success was random luck. India never meant for someone to go after the bowling in the 15 overs but Sachin just did that naturally and India got lucky.
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You can go even further back. Krish Srikkanth is officially the first to do this role. But it was not a strategy or plan. That is how he played Tests and ODIs. Srikkanth had outrageous strike rates even in Tests. Having said attack from both ends was conceived only by Srilanka. Basically they treated their runs as bonus. They didn't mind them losing their wickets.
 
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