"BJP govt. will not force a single (non-Muslim) refugee to leave the country" : Amit Shah

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Amit Shah in Kolkata: I today want to assure Hindu,Sikh,Jain,Buddhist &Christian refugees, you will not be forced to leave India by the Centre. Don't believe rumours. Before NRC, we will bring Citizenship Amendment Bill, which will ensure these people get Indian citizenship <a href="https://t.co/zcWhmL10xl">pic.twitter.com/zcWhmL10xl</a></p>— ANI (@ANI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1178979318971555841?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 1, 2019</a></blockquote>
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On his first visit to Bengal after the national elections, Home Minister Amit Shah on Tuesday accused Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee of trying to spread panic over the National Register for Citizens, or NRC, and declared that Hindu, Sikh and Jain refugees in the state or elsewhere would not be forced out of the country due to the citizens’ list.

“The Bharatiya Janata Party government will not force a single (non-muslim) refugee to leave the country,” Shah said at an event called the NRC-Jagran Abhiyan, his first stop in state capital Bengal.

“Mamata is telling people of Bengal that lakhs of Hindu refugees (from Bangladesh) would be thrown out if NRC happens. There cannot be a bigger lie…. And I have come here today to make it clear that this will not happen,” Shah said.

He reminded people that the BJP-led national coalition at the Centre had already moved a bill in Rajya Sabha back in 2016 to give citizenship to minority communities from neighbouring countries. Before NRC, the Narendra Modi government is going to bring in this bill that will entitle refugees to Indian citizenship. ‘You will have the same rights as any of us,” he said.

“Not one refugee will have to leave. And we will not allow even one infiltrator to stay back,” he said, accusing Mamata Banerjee of trying to “shield infiltrators” because they vote for her.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...h-in-bengal/story-GPnV0ke9adJbSaJ7kOsQBK.html

 

[Asim_khan]

And then we have saffron buffoons on this trying to claim this isn't a Nazi regime? It's absolutely embarassing.

Oh India how you've fallen. These clowns will absolutely destroy any chance of you progressing above your current station.

 

[re82h]

Stay Classy India!

BJP following up Imran Khan's speech beautifully here. Proving his words correct.

 

[kk1992]

Said it before.

He hold one of the highest position in BJP government.

It will become extremely difficult to defend for those Indian who try to come off of as neutral.

RSS members and supporters will find any excuse to defend this.

It has always been anti-muslims.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And then we have saffron buffoons on this trying to claim this isn't a Nazi regime? It's absolutely embarassing.

Oh India how you've fallen. These clowns will absolutely destroy any chance of you progressing above your current station.

Why should muslim refugees be allowed in India? They demanded partition and now have two countries. Why should they be allowed back into India?

He is not talking about Indians, he is talking about non indians who have entered India.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Good for Shah, he is finally dispelling the myth of that old saying bagal mein churi, mun pe ram.

He is saying it openly which in my mind is better than the sly bigots who keep their feelings hidden.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Said it before.

He hold one of the highest position in BJP government.

It will become extremely difficult to defend for those Indian who try to come off of as neutral.

RSS members and supporters will find any excuse to defend this.

It has always been anti-muslims.

What is there to defend? He is correct.

Why should muslim refugees be allowed in India? They demanded partition and now have two countries. Why should they be allowed back into India?

You took the land, now stay with it. Yiu are not welcome here. This is not a hotel, where you come and go as you please.

 

[kk1992]

Good for Shah, he is finally dispelling the myth of that old saying bagal mein churi, mun pe ram.

He is saying it openly which in my mind is better than the sly bigots who keep their feelings hidden.

You have to appreciate his honesty.

I wish those closet bigots should appreciate his honesty and come out in open to say what they have been secretly hoping for.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You have to appreciate his honesty.

I wish those closet bigots should appreciate his honesty and come out in open to say what they have been secretly hoping for.

What is the bigotry here? If muslims were given land which they demanded, why should they be allowed to come back now?

We are not here to live according to their whims and fancies. Yesterday they wanted partition, today they want to come here, tommorow they will again want to leave and create a new national security issue.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What is there to defend? He is correct.

Why should muslim refugees be allowed in India? They demanded partition and now have two countries. Why should they be allowed back into India?

You took the land, now stay with it. Yiu are not welcome here. This is not a hotel, where you come and go as you please.

Why shouldn't they come and go as they please? If you can allow non-Kashmiris to flood the valley despite not being welcome, then this shows India can accommodate non-natives if they feel inclined.

That too Bengal belongs to Bengalis regardless of the religion except in the mind of religious bigots. If non-Muslim Bengalis can't bear to share their land with different religions then they should leave. Head for Sri Lanka maybe.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why shouldn't they come and go as they please? If you can allow non-Kashmiris to flood the valley despite not being welcome, then this shows India can accommodate non-natives if they feel inclined.

That too Bengal belongs to Bengalis regardless of the religion except in the mind of religious bigots. If non-Muslim Bengalis can't bear to share their land with different religions then they should leave. Head for Sri Lanka maybe.

No bengal doesnot belong to bengalis. It belongs to all Indians. Muslim bengali speakers demanded their share of land and now have a country, t They have no legal right to come back and stay in bengal now.

Kashmir is part of India and any Indian can settle there. So can they in Bengal. But muslim refugees cannot.

 

[Abdullah719]

No bengal doesnot belong to bengalis. It belongs to all Indians. Muslim bengali speakers demanded their share of land and now have a country, t They have no legal right to come back and stay in bengal now.

Kashmir is part of India and any Indian can settle there. So can they in Bengal. But muslim refugees cannot.

But Modi said that NRC won't impact Bangladesh.

So where are these illegal immigrants going? Will they be kept in open air prisons? Dumped in the sea? Sent to the moon?

Just before the list was released, external affairs minister S. Jaishankar said in Dhaka that the Assam NRC process is an “internal matter”.

Following the register’s publication, Assam’s finance minister Himanta Biswa Sarma stated that India has to “start discussing with Bangladesh to accept its citizens who had settled in India illegally”.

According to Momen, after the Bangladeshi prime minister raised the matter, the Indian prime minister told Hasina that there “will be no impact on Bangladesh and there is no need to be worried about it”.

This is not the first time that the Indian PM has assured Hasina that there would no deportations.

In an interview to Voice of America in October 2018, Sheikh Hasina said that she had been spoken to Narendra Modi over the issue. “He told me that they have no plan to send them (illegal migrants) back,” she said.

https://thewire.in/diplomacy/nrc-bangladesh-sheikh-hasina-narendra-modi-meet

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No bengal doesnot belong to bengalis. It belongs to all Indians. Muslim bengali speakers demanded their share of land and now have a country, t They have no legal right to come back and stay in bengal now.

Kashmir is part of India and any Indian can settle there. So can they in Bengal. But muslim refugees cannot.

This is rubbish. Hindus and Jains also decided to stay in East Pakistan, they wanted their share of land, why should they be allowed to change their minds as and when they feel like it? We can't have one rule for some and different rules for other if we are claiming to hold to secular values.

If on the other hand, you are proud to claim anti-Muslim bias and pro Hindu bigotry, then by all means, all power to you. I have no argument with the honest bigot.

 

[cricketjoshila]

But Modi said that NRC won't impact Bangladesh.

So where are these illegal immigrants going? Will they be kept in open air prisons? Dumped in the sea? Sent to the moon?

They will be dealt as per law. Many will be deported. Many jailed and many will return via the route they came in.

Once this starts, the next time someone thinks of coming to india, he will think a 100 times. Idea is to make India hostile for illegal immigrants.

 

[Finisher]

Why should muslim refugees be allowed in India? They demanded partition and now have two countries. Why should they be allowed back into India?

He is not talking about Indians, he is talking about non indians who have entered India.

Does the same apply to Kashmir and its people

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is rubbish. Hindus and Jains also decided to stay in East Pakistan, they wanted their share of land, why should they be allowed to change their minds as and when they feel like it? We can't have one rule for some and different rules for other if we are claiming to hold to secular values.

If on the other hand, you are proud to claim anti-Muslim bias and pro Hindu bigotry, then by all means, all power to you. I have no argument with the honest bigot.

No non muslim demanded a partition. It was a muslim league demand that a separate country be given for muslims. So non muslims do not come into the picture in partition. And this is the reason why India is open to taking non muslims.

Pro hindutva? Lol. This is what partition was based on. If you have issues than take it up with those who lead the partition movement and gave rise to this bigotry. Those Muslims who wanted a piece of land got it. They now live there and are not welcome here. Rest others are.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No non muslim demanded a partition. It was a muslim league demand that a separate country be given for muslims. So non muslims do not come into the picture in partition. And this is the reason why India is open to taking non muslims.

Pro hindutva? Lol. This is what partition was based on. If you have issues than take it up with those who lead the partition movement and gave rise to this bigotry. Those Muslims who wanted a piece of land got it. They now live there and are not welcome here. Rest others are.

Those Hindus and Jains who agreed to stay in East Pakistan clearly demonstrated their loyalty to the country over India. LOL you want to reward them by giving them the opportunity to jump across the border as their fancy takes it? Why? Purely because they are non-Muslims? LOL.

And again LOL.

As I said, I have no problem with Hindutvas being openly anti-Muslim, just own it like your govt ministers do. Don't be shy, be proud.

 

[Akki malhotra]

And then we have saffron buffoons on this trying to claim this isn't a Nazi regime? It's absolutely embarassing.

Oh India how you've fallen. These clowns will absolutely destroy any chance of you progressing above your current station.

Without citizenship how can any foreigners illegaly live in India? I know India has higher standards for secularism if compared to whole world. No issue. But we have a lot of population already and can't take it any more.
Plus non Muslims such as hindus, sikhs etc have not many countries to live. India is their homeland.
Muslims who are not indians already got their 2 Islamic countries. If still any Muslim want to come to India , they can come through proper channels such as adnan sami Or tarek fateh etc etc. After all india is land of peace .

 

[Bilal_103]

Without citizenship how can any foreigners illegaly live in India? I know India has higher standards for secularism if compared to whole world. No issue. But we have a lot of population already and can't take it any more.
Plus non Muslims such as hindus, sikhs etc have not many countries to live. India is their homeland.
Muslims who are not indians already got their 2 Islamic countries. If still any Muslim want to come to India , they can come through proper channels such as adnan sami Or tarek fateh etc etc. After all india is land of peace .

Land of peace lol

 

[kk1992]

Without citizenship how can any foreigners illegaly live in India? I know India has higher standards for secularism if compared to whole world. No issue. But we have a lot of population already and can't take it any more.
Plus non Muslims such as hindus, sikhs etc have not many countries to live. India is their homeland.
Muslims who are not indians already got their 2 Islamic countries. If still any Muslim want to come to India , they can come through proper channels such as adnan sami Or tarek fateh etc etc. After all india is land of peace .

Land of peace lol

Secular, lol.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Secular, lol.

Yes secular. A word that people of islamic republic wont understand.

 

[kk1992]

Thank God, I won the genetic lottery.

Imagine if you are a muslim born in today's India, imagine how would you feel.

Over 200 million Indian Muslims are being marginalized by majority of Indians.

Bigotry and fascism is unfolding in front of your eyes.

and yet, they dare to lecture rest of the world on secularism and peace. LOL

 

[IMMY69]

No bengal doesnot belong to bengalis. It belongs to all Indians. Muslim bengali speakers demanded their share of land and now have a country, t They have no legal right to come back and stay in bengal now.

Kashmir is part of India and any Indian can settle there. So can they in Bengal. But muslim refugees cannot.

So then 200 million muslims living in India, how would they feel that the government is discriminating against their religion?

 

[IMMY69]

Thank God, I won the genetic lottery.

Imagine if you are a muslim born in today's India, imagine how would you feel.

Over 200 million Indian Muslims are being marginalized by majority of Indians.

Bigotry and fascism is unfolding in front of your eyes.

and yet, they dare to lecture rest of the world on secularism and peace. LOL

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Mesozoic]

Correct.

Muslims of Bengal opted for a separate country. So why should they be allowed back to India ? Hindus did not fight or wanted a separate Bengal , so they're welcome to come to India.

Secularism has got nothing to do with this.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Thank God, I won the genetic lottery.

Imagine if you are a muslim born in today's India, imagine how would you feel.

Over 200 million Indian Muslims are being marginalized by majority of Indians.

Bigotry and fascism is unfolding in front of your eyes.

and yet, they dare to lecture rest of the world on secularism and peace. LOL

Where did Indian muslims come in? This is about refugees.

Pakistan is a islamic republic and they wsnt to talk about secularism in India. Joke!!!

 

[cricketjoshila]

So then 200 million muslims living in India, how would they feel that the government is discriminating against their religion?

They are talking about foreigners not Indians. The same foreigners these 200mn indian muslims refused to side with in 1947 and continued to call India their home.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes secular. A word that people of islamic republic wont understand.

Please do educate.

A secular nation does not implement policies based on peoples religions. This is one of the most fundamentals of secularism.

On the same subject you claimed these Muslim refugees are security threat but still haven't explained why?

You make a absurd claim these people choose partition. How many of these refugees were born prior to 1947?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Correct.

Muslims of Bengal opted for a separate country. So why should they be allowed back to India ? Hindus did not fight or wanted a separate Bengal , so they're welcome to come to India.

Secularism has got nothing to do with this.

Welcome. For context BJP/RSS supporter?

How old are these refugees to have chosen partition?

 

[IMMY69]

They are talking about foreigners not Indians. The same foreigners these 200mn indian muslims refused to side with in 1947 and continued to call India their home.

Ok well thanks for clearing that up.
So Hindu foreigners are fine, Indians happy with that. Muslims however are not, Indian Muslims Happy with that too. Got it.

I must say having the mind of an RSS does make it a lot simpler.

 

[kk1992]

Please do educate.

A secular nation does not implement policies based on peoples religions. This is one of the most fundamentals of secularism.

On the same subject you claimed these Muslim refugees are security threat but still haven't explained why?

You make a absurd claim these people choose partition. How many of these refugees were born prior to 1947?

Conveniently ignored by Khaki chaddi wearing soldiers of India and hoping rest of the world will change the definition of secularism to please Hindu.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Conveniently ignored by Khaki chaddi wearing soldiers of India and hoping rest of the world will change the definition of secularism to please Hindu.

Feel sorry for decent Hindus actually, not all of them think like this. Must be so embarrassing for them to be associated with the current govt, effectively giving the impression they are all bloodthirsty bigots.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Imran spoke up for human rights in kashmir, apparently what he said was hate speach.

BJP leaders talking openly about sterilizing muslims, supporting cow vigilantes, etc... is not hate speach

Apparently what imran said was us versus them, midevil thoughts.

But bjp leaders are using us versus them in a positive way in assam

Right, then call imran a hypocrite for focusing on kashmiris rather than the uyghers.

On one hand they say they gave the world buddha and ghandi, on the other hand it was RSS ideology which the BJP are inspired by, which killed Ghandhi.

BJP are masters of propaganda lol.

I cant believe they made a billion people believe their lies and got a majority of them to vote for them lol.

 

[Mesozoic]

Welcome. For context BJP/RSS supporter?

How old are these refugees to have chosen partition?

I am no one's supporter. And for once, stop labeling every Indian that disagrees with your views as an RSS supporter.

As for your question , it does not matter how old they are. Their predecessors chose a different country to live in and they must live with that and in that.

 

[Abdullah719]

Imran spoke up for human rights in kashmir, apparently what he said was hate speach.

BJP leaders talking openly about sterilizing muslims, supporting cow vigilantes, etc... is not hate speach

Apparently what imran said was us versus them, midevil thoughts.

But bjp leaders are using us versus them in a positive way in assam

Right, then call imran a hypocrite for focusing on kashmiris rather than the uyghers.

On one hand they say they gave the world buddha and ghandi, on the other hand it was RSS ideology which the BJP are inspired by, which killed Ghandhi.

BJP are masters of propaganda lol.

I cant believe they made a billion people believe their lies and got a majority of them to vote for them lol.

Imran: If a conflict ensues, there could be the threat of nuclear war.

BJP politicians/govt. officials: We will attack Pakistan and get back 'POK'

Indian army: We are ready to retrieve 'POK'

Indians: ImRaN iS a WaRmOnGeR

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am no one's supporter. And for once, stop labeling every Indian that disagrees with your views as an RSS supporter.

As for your question , it does not matter how old they are. Their predecessors chose a different country to live in and they must live with that and in that.

With 10 runs on the board, you cannot know what I label or not unless you have returned with a new account after a ban.

Thanks, you didn't vote, well done.

Interesting, you are blaming people for what their ancestors did. Do you think this is right? Are you to blame for what your 'predecessors' did?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am no one's supporter. And for once, stop labeling every Indian that disagrees with your views as an RSS supporter.

As for your question , it does not matter how old they are. Their predecessors chose a different country to live in and they must live with that and in that.

Got it. You aren't an RSS supporter, you just agree with what they say.

 

[Mesozoic]

With 10 runs on the board, you cannot know what I label or not unless you have returned with a new account after a ban.

Thanks, you didn't vote, well done.

Interesting, you are blaming people for what their ancestors did. Do you think this is right? Are you to blame for what your 'predecessors' did?

When did I "blame" anyone ?

All i have said is those people fought a political war with India and took a large chunk of it for them to live in. And now , they (their successors) want to come back ? India is a sovereign country and it has people to look after and it has no business in accommodating those who were against it's sovereignty .

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What an embarrassing tweet.

 

[Mesozoic]

Got it. You aren't an RSS supporter, you just agree with what they say.

Well I don't agree with mob lynchings , beef killings, Ghar wapsi , Akhand Bharat etc . So, there you go.

 

[KingKhanWC]

When did I "blame" anyone ?

All i have said is those people fought a political war with India and took a large chunk of it for them to live in. And now , they (their successors) want to come back ? India is a sovereign country and it has people to look after and it has no business in accommodating those who were against it's sovereignty .

Amazing RSS logic. Muslim ancestors did this , did that, so we will do this and that.

Do the RSS realise you cannot change history. Muslim came conquered ruled , got the t-shirt. Isnt it time for Hindu extremists to move on from this?

If the BJP/RSS and their supporters hate Muslims, just say it.

 

[kk1992]

Have said it before and will say it again.

There is absolutely no way to further RSS ideology without directly or indirectly marginalize Indian Muslims.

You will see less and less Indian commenting or trying to justify RSS ideology out in open, simply because, all those argument about Mughal/partition have already played out. No one in 2019 is falling for that excuse, those talking points are for domestic Hindus and will only work on domestic Hindus, the government of India knows it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Please do educate.

A secular nation does not implement policies based on peoples religions. This is one of the most fundamentals of secularism.

On the same subject you claimed these Muslim refugees are security threat but still haven't explained why?

You make a absurd claim these people choose partition. How many of these refugees were born prior to 1947?

The basis of policy is national security.

These refugees were born outside India, hence not Indians. Yes they chose partition thats why they were not born in India.

They are a security risk because a number of organizations in these countries are involved i n terrorist activities. And those organizations are muslim organizations hence they are a security risk. Not to forget who knows these guys like their ancestor may demand another piece of land.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ok well thanks for clearing that up.
So Hindu foreigners are fine, Indians happy with that. Muslims however are not, Indian Muslims Happy with that too. Got it.

I must say having the mind of an RSS does make it a lot simpler.

All non muslim are fine because non muslims didnot ask for partition.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Conveniently ignored by Khaki chaddi wearing soldiers of India and hoping rest of the world will change the definition of secularism to please Hindu.

Islamic republic citizens talking about secularism. This aint even funny.

 

[cricketjoshila]

With 10 runs on the board, you cannot know what I label or not unless you have returned with a new account after a ban.

Thanks, you didn't vote, well done.

Interesting, you are blaming people for what their ancestors did. Do you think this is right? Are you to blame for what your 'predecessors' did?

More often than not a person has the citizenship of the country he is born or the country his parents have citizenship of.

If someone is not a citizen of X country because of his amcestors, its not the fault of X country and it is not their problem either.

 

[Mamoon]

BJP seems to believe in the Two Nation Theory unlike Congress. At least they have something in common with our foundation. We should welcome their ideology and open our borders to these Muslim refugees.

 

[IMMY69]

All non muslim are fine because non muslims didnot ask for partition.

So the current two hundred million Indian Muslims asked for partition?

 

[cricketjoshila]

People who killed 100s of 1000s of hindus jains sikhs etc to get a country now want to be back in India. No bloody way.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So the current two hundred million Indian Muslims asked for partition?

Where do Indians come from?

This is a question about non indian illegal immigrants.

 

[cricketjoshila]

BJP seems to believe in the Two Nation Theory unlike Congress. At least they have something in common with our foundation. We should welcome their ideology and open our borders to these Muslim refugees.

Two nation theory is a truth. Muslims killed 100s of 1000s for this land. If they are not happy there, thats there problem. They have no place here.

 

[IMMY69]

Where do Indians come from?

This is a question about non indian illegal immigrants.

and the non Indian Hindu and Christian immigrants?

 

[Mamoon]

Two nation theory is a truth. Muslims killed 100s of 1000s for this land. If they are not happy there, thats there problem. They have no place here.

I agree. Those who believed in it have no place in India now, but those who rightly rejected it deserve equal rights as citizens of India.

 

[kk1992]

BJP seems to believe in the Two Nation Theory unlike Congress. At least they have something in common with our foundation. We should welcome their ideology and open our borders to these Muslim refugees.

Do not worry, according to you, pretty soon, the might Indian army will absorb most of the Pakistan and then you can finally be an Indian.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistanis when a muslim majority country enforces sharia or otyer laws favouring muslims:Their country their rules.

Non muslim majority country does anything thats not per the liking of Muslims: Minority rights,liberalism,fascism,hitler,mussolini,nuclear war.

 

[Finisher]

All non muslim are fine because non muslims didnot ask for partition.

Sikhs are asking for Khalistan tho

 

[Mesozoic]

Amazing RSS logic. Muslim ancestors did this , did that, so we will do this and that.

Do the RSS realise you cannot change history. Muslim came conquered ruled , got the t-shirt. Isnt it time for Hindu extremists to move on from this?

If the BJP/RSS and their supporters hate Muslims, just say it.

You are obsessed with BJP/RSS. Get over it.

Anyways, there is no reason for us to "hate" present day south Asian Muslims as they (most of them) have nothing to do with or are in no ways related to the medieval Islamic invaders. And i was not even talking about them but the political fighters of Muslim league pre-independence.

 

[Mamoon]

You are obsessed with BJP/RSS. Get over it.

Anyways, there is no reason for us to "hate" present day south Asian Muslims as they (most of them) have nothing to do with or are in no ways related to the medieval Islamic invaders. And i was not even talking about them but the political fighters of Muslim league pre-independence.

Obsessed is a small word. He is Indophobic.

 

[kk1992]

Islamic republic citizens talking about secularism. This aint even funny.

Are Islamic republic citizens prohibited to talk about secularism?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I agree. Those who believed in it have no place in India now, but those who rightly rejected it deserve equal rights as citizens of India.

Those who rejected it and stayed back in India do have equal rights as per law.

Yes clashes do happen between Hindus and Muslims, and have been happening for 70yrs.

The only way to stop it is uniform civil law. But thing is while muslims want that ciw slaughter laws should go, they also want they should continue to enjoy separate personal laws. Both cant happen.

Another problem is that post Indira Gandhi, India didnot have a leader who can clmmand the votes across the hindu spectrum. So political parties will woo a certain section of hindu votes and then woo muslims, this way they would have enough votes to win elections. This led to decades of muslim appeasement and emboldened a certain section of muslims to think they are beyond law. This led to clashes between the majority community and a politically emboldened minority.

Bjp has changed the game. It has cornered hindus votes across tge spectrum,and also the shia muslim votes.

Now the majority community which was for decades victim of political appeasement is trying to balance it. Now the opposition is trying to play this up and get muslim votes. That is leading to further consolidation of hindu votes for bjp.

This needs a very careful handling.

Bengal is a state where muslim appeasement is massive. Couple of months ago a muslim mob attacked doctors after a muslim patient died. The govt refused to act on them, resulting in a 8 day long strike.

The muslim intelligentsia is reading the signs that such appeasement will ultimate lead to non muslim votes consolidating and making muslims politically insignificant.

Read this link.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....ushoshi-sengupta-2056298?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

 

[KingKhanWC]

You are obsessed with BJP/RSS. Get over it.

Anyways, there is no reason for us to "hate" present day south Asian Muslims as they (most of them) have nothing to do with or are in no ways related to the medieval Islamic invaders. And i was not even talking about them but the political fighters of Muslim league pre-independence.

Since you asked, I find Hindu nationalist fascism interesting. One reason being these people cant get over Muslims ruling over them many years ago. Another reason the BJP/RSS is a threat to Pakistan, not these clowns could ever take over, they cant even take Azad Kashmir but can only oppress unarmed civilians in IOK but they use covert means supporting terrorism in Pakistan.

Im glad you said 'us', confirming your identity. So the Muslim league wanted a seperate state so now any Muslims refugees are not welcomed. Rss logic lol.

 

[Mamoon]

Those who rejected it and stayed back in India do have equal rights as per law.

Yes clashes do happen between Hindus and Muslims, and have been happening for 70yrs.

The only way to stop it is uniform civil law. But thing is while muslims want that ciw slaughter laws should go, they also want they should continue to enjoy separate personal laws. Both cant happen.

Another problem is that post Indira Gandhi, India didnot have a leader who can clmmand the votes across the hindu spectrum. So political parties will woo a certain section of hindu votes and then woo muslims, this way they would have enough votes to win elections. This led to decades of muslim appeasement and emboldened a certain section of muslims to think they are beyond law. This led to clashes between the majority community and a politically emboldened minority.

Bjp has changed the game. It has cornered hindus votes across tge spectrum,and also the shia muslim votes.

Now the majority community which was for decades victim of political appeasement is trying to balance it. Now the opposition is trying to play this up and get muslim votes. That is leading to further consolidation of hindu votes for bjp.

This needs a very careful handling.

Bengal is a state where muslim appeasement is massive. Couple of months ago a muslim mob attacked doctors after a muslim patient died. The govt refused to act on them, resulting in a 8 day long strike.

The muslim intelligentsia is reading the signs that such appeasement will ultimate lead to non muslim votes consolidating and making muslims politically insignificant.

Read this link.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....ushoshi-sengupta-2056298?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

Thanks for the valuable insight.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sikhs are asking for Khalistan tho

In US and UK.

 

[KingKhanWC]

More often than not a person has the citizenship of the country he is born or the country his parents have citizenship of.

If someone is not a citizen of X country because of his amcestors, its not the fault of X country and it is not their problem either.

Whta kind of rubbish is this? lol

Refugees by definition have left their land because they dont feel safe. Yet you still blame these people for what their ansecestors did or what they choose legally?

My advice for the BJP/RSS, write new history books and erase Muslim rule from your minds so you sleep at night.

 

[KingKhanWC]

People who killed 100s of 1000s of hindus jains sikhs etc to get a country now want to be back in India. No bloody way.

When did these refugees kill 100,000's of Hindus?

Just tell me the name of the Bollywood movie.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Amazing RSS logic. Muslim ancestors did this , did that, so we will do this and that.

Do the RSS realise you cannot change history. Muslim came conquered ruled , got the t-shirt. Isnt it time for Hindu extremists to move on from this?

If the BJP/RSS and their supporters hate Muslims, just say it.

Whats pakistan got to do with this? Did any pakistani conquer anything? They were themselves conquered and followed the conquerors.

 

[cricketjoshila]

When did these refugees kill 100,000's of Hindus?

Just tell me the name of the Bollywood movie.

So non muslims were not killed during partition and in the months leading to it?

 

[Mesozoic]

Since you asked, I find Hindu nationalist fascism interesting. One reason being these people cant get over Muslims ruling over them many years ago. Another reason the BJP/RSS is a threat to Pakistan, not these clowns could ever take over, they cant even take Azad Kashmir but can only oppress unarmed civilians in IOK but they use covert means supporting terrorism in Pakistan.

Im glad you said 'us', confirming your identity. So the Muslim league wanted a seperate state so now any Muslims refugees are not welcomed. Rss logic lol.

Everything you've said in the first part suits better when it's converse.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Whta kind of rubbish is this? lol

Refugees by definition have left their land because they dont feel safe. Yet you still blame these people for what their ansecestors did or what they choose legally?

My advice for the BJP/RSS, write new history books and erase Muslim rule from your minds so you sleep at night.

Lol. So muslims dont feel safe in muslim majority countries ? The countries they founded. Well hard luck. They killed 100s of 1000s to get that land. And are not welcome here.

My advise is that you stop thinking thst people exist to fulfill the whims of muslims or that pakistans were any kind of conquerors.

 

[Mesozoic]

Whats pakistan got to do with this? Did any pakistani conquer anything? They were themselves conquered and followed the conquerors.

Exactly. They gloat as if....... well leave it.

 

[Patriot]

I understand the logic where non Indian Muslim illegal immigrants from South Asia who wanted partition would not be accepted.

But what about non Indian Muslim illegal immigrants from outside South Asia who have no history of partition? For example from Africa. Surely they should be treated equally as non Muslim illegal immigrants under secular values.

 

[Patriot]

Exactly. They gloat as if....... well leave it.

Not all Pakistanis are South Asian. My ancestors are pushtoon. I have done a DNA test and I’m around 85% from Afghanistan (Central Asia) and the rest from Western Asia (Iran, etc.).

 

[cricketjoshila]

I understand the logic where non Indian Muslim illegal immigrants from South Asia who wanted partition would not be accepted.

But what about non Indian Muslim illegal immigrants from outside South Asia who have no history of partition? For example from Africa. Surely they should be treated equally as non Muslim illegal immigrants under secular values.

Hardly any such refugee here in India. But i guess their issues should be separately considered.

 

[Patriot]

Hardly any such refugee here in India. But i guess their issues should be separately considered.

Fair enough

 

[Mesozoic]

Not all Pakistanis are South Asian. My ancestors are pushtoon. I have done a DNA test and I’m around 85% from Afghanistan (Central Asia) and the rest from Western Asia (Iran, etc.).

Not all but vast majority of them (esp in Punjab and Sindh) are South Asians through and through.

 

[Patriot]

Lines do get blurry between policy and implementation of said policy. It’s happened before.

You might start off with enforcing policy rigidly but over time, discrimination, along with weak controls do start to kick in and India needs to be careful of this. Where potentially Indian Muslim nationals are treated as illegals.

Even counties like the U.K. aren’t immune to this despite having much better governance and control than a country like India. For example the Windrush scandal has resulted in potential deportation for U.K. nationals.

 

[Patriot]

Not all but vast majority of them (esp in Punjab and Sindh) are South Asians through and through.

That is true.

 

[Cricket]

Those who rejected it and stayed back in India do have equal rights as per law.

Yes clashes do happen between Hindus and Muslims, and have been happening for 70yrs.

The only way to stop it is uniform civil law. But thing is while muslims want that ciw slaughter laws should go, they also want they should continue to enjoy separate personal laws. Both cant happen.

Another problem is that post Indira Gandhi, India didnot have a leader who can clmmand the votes across the hindu spectrum. So political parties will woo a certain section of hindu votes and then woo muslims, this way they would have enough votes to win elections. This led to decades of muslim appeasement and emboldened a certain section of muslims to think they are beyond law. This led to clashes between the majority community and a politically emboldened minority.

Bjp has changed the game. It has cornered hindus votes across tge spectrum,and also the shia muslim votes.

Now the majority community which was for decades victim of political appeasement is trying to balance it. Now the opposition is trying to play this up and get muslim votes. That is leading to further consolidation of hindu votes for bjp.

This needs a very careful handling.

Bengal is a state where muslim appeasement is massive. Couple of months ago a muslim mob attacked doctors after a muslim patient died. The govt refused to act on them, resulting in a 8 day long strike.

The muslim intelligentsia is reading the signs that such appeasement will ultimate lead to non muslim votes consolidating and making muslims politically insignificant.

Read this link.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....ushoshi-sengupta-2056298?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

can you elaborate pls what kind of appeasement muslims are njoying in bengal

 

[KingKhanWC]

Whats pakistan got to do with this? Did any pakistani conquer anything? They were themselves conquered and followed the conquerors.

Where did I mention Pakistan in this post?

So non muslims were not killed during partition and in the months leading to it?

Lol. So muslims dont feel safe in muslim majority countries ? The countries they founded. Well hard luck. They killed 100s of 1000s to get that land. And are not welcome here.

My advise is that you stop thinking thst people exist to fulfill the whims of muslims or that pakistans were any kind of conquerors.

These refugees didnt kill any Hindus )

By your logic, if you great great grandad raped a child, you are guilty too.

 

[Pakpak]

Sad is thing is joshila is a doctor.

What a sad indictment.