[VIDEO] A sincere reform or land grab attempt by BJP? - "Ignorant Fools Of BJP And Sangh': Lalu Yadav hits back at Amit Shah's jibe on Waqf Bill

[MP2011]

In India, Muslims face insults for offering namaz, are lynched over allegations related to cows, their businesses are boycotted under the pretext of vegetarianism, they are denied rental housing due to their identity, and their homes are bulldozed, yet the BJP government expects us to believe that this bill was introduced for the welfare of Muslims.

More than the regime, it's 2 kaudi ke andhbhakts who are falling over each other to blindly support anything what the feku says or does.

Funniest part is, most of them don't even live in India and hence have no inkling what is it like to stay in a regime helmed by an illiterate.

 

[rpant_gabba]

by the way there are polygamist faith based communities in the US. Mormons are in Utah, Colorado, etc and have multiple wives. I am sure they are not allowed legally, but its their own personal choice to live together as man and wives and there are no laws against doing so.

Spin it as you may, I don't care: but these are facts.

Yup.

Legality of polygamy in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The makes no accommodation for polygamy.

There is no restriction on who can live together.

If it ever gets to a court about anything, second and other wives have no legal standing.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Lol you will teach other about integrity and shame

First of all explain in simple words what is WAQF, and then will decide whether to continue with you or not

Is it this?

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/in-tamil-nadu-waqf-board-claims-ownership-of-an-entire-village-there-s-a-temple-too-101663245541768.html

 

[globetrotter]

New waqf act is now having provision of inclusion of non-Muslims in waqf institutions ….Corrupt leaders like Lallu Yadav, Sharad Pawar will make all efforts to be in new waqf committee.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No one gives a two hoot about what Pakistanis think, so no question of fooling anyone. Modi and Yogi have been elected multiple times by the people of their country and state respectively...so thats all matters. If removing religious based laws like WAQF, Triple Talaq or Uniform Civil Code is Islamophobia and muslim hate for you, you are free to think whatever you want. Talking about being open and transparent like Trump, removing WAQF was in BJPs election manifesto clearly highlighting as one of their agenda. Not sure how much more transparent one can be.

If no one gave "a hoot what Pakistanis think" you wouldn't be here. Not even worth reading past your first line for the rest of the hindutva spiel.

 

[Rajdeep]

If no one gave "a hoot what Pakistanis think" you wouldn't be here. Not even worth reading past your first line for the rest of the hindutva spiel.

Actually you are not reading the rest of it bcoz it doesnt support your agenda.

 

[RexRex]

New waqf act is now having provision of inclusion of non-Muslims in waqf institutions ….Corrupt leaders like Lallu Yadav, Sharad Pawar will make all efforts to be in new waqf committee.

Just been doing some reading on this topic. I'd go even further and abolish the legal concept of Waqf and level the playing field for all religions. It's a clear privilege granted to Muslims that others don't get.

 

[uppercut]

Watch the madness that is otherwise known as WAQF .... I really hate our past leaders. Such irresponsible idiots.

And then we have numbskulls here having the gall to critique Hindu right wing backlash.

 

[JaDed]

Waqf board isn’t sincere either, they have gotten away with lot of nonsense over the years.
My biggest issue with Congress will always remain not having uniform
law for the country, what nonsense were they thinking?

 

[Major]

Just been doing some reading on this topic. I'd go even further and abolish the legal concept of Waqf and level the playing field for all religions. It's a clear privilege granted to Muslims that others don't get.

But Hindus do get

Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowments (HRCE) Acts exist
Sikh Gurdwaras Act, 1925

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Actually you are not reading the rest of it bcoz it doesnt support your agenda.

No, I did read it, but it was hindutva claptrap. I am not even saying that Waqf boards are legitimate, all I am saying is that hindutvas are going after Islamic targets because Islamophobia in India is a big vote winner, presumably because the Hindu majority hate Muslims.

 

[Rajdeep]

No, I did read it, but it was hindutva claptrap. I am not even saying that Waqf boards are legitimate, all I am saying is that hindutvas are going after Islamic targets because Islamophobia in India is a big vote winner, presumably because the Hindu majority hate Muslims.

BJP is correcting all historical mistakes like abolishing Article 370, WAQF, triple talaq etc. It is not BJPs problem that most of these prejudices exists only in Muslim community. If there are similar prejudices exists in other community and BJP is not focussing on them then pls highlight those rather than playing victim card and crying Islamophobia.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

BJP is correcting all historical mistakes like abolishing Article 370, WAQF, triple talaq etc. It is not BJPs problem that most of these prejudices exists only in Muslim community. If there are similar prejudices exists in other community and BJP is not focussing on them then pls highlight those rather than playing victim card and crying Islamophobia.

You can't really dispute what I am saying by using silly terms like crying Islamophobia. BJP govt goes after Islam and Muslims, and it is a big vote winner. This is a fact, no one needs to cry about it. Presumably it's a big vote winner because the majority Hindus hate Indian Muslims. It may be justified, that is not what I am arguing. Don't know why you don't just admit it, you could just say, yes we Hindus do as a majority hate Muslims and it is justified.

 

[Rajdeep]

You can't really dispute what I am saying by using silly terms like crying Islamophobia. BJP govt goes after Islam and Muslims, and it is a big vote winner. This is a fact, no one needs to cry about it. Presumably it's a big vote winner because the majority Hindus hate Indian Muslims. It may be justified, that is not what I am arguing. Don't know why you don't just admit it, you could just say, yes we Hindus do as a majority hate Muslims and it is justified.

Of course I can dispute. Until and unless you give specific examples of what BJP has done to marginalize Muslim community, these big statements makes zero sense.

All you are doing is generalizing by saying BJP goes after Muslims and Islam because I heard it from others but not providing any specifics.

If Modi was really against Islam, he will not be getting highest civilian award in UAE.

Muslims in India benefits from every govt schemes like any other community. Muslims in India can become President, Prime minister, cricket team captain anything...things that a minority can never dream in an Islamic country like Pakistan.

The only thing Modi govt has done is remove the following:

1. Article 370 - we all agree a state should not have autonomy and it was a historical mistake.

2. Remove triple talaq - a repressive practice and everyone will agree removing it was correct decision

3. WAQF - why do we need a religious based board known for land grabbing for its profit?

4. Universal Civil Code - same law for everyone in the country.


All the above were correct things to do. So based on above you cant say BJP is after muslims. It is correcting historical mistakes.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Of course I can dispute. Until and unless you give specific examples of what BJP has done to marginalize Muslim community, these big statements makes zero sense.

All you are doing is generalizing by saying BJP goes after Muslims and Islam because I heard it from others but not providing any specifics.

If Modi was really against Islam, he will not be getting highest civilian award in UAE.

Muslims in India benefits from every govt schemes like any other community. Muslims in India can become President, Prime minister, cricket team captain anything...things that a minority can never dream in an Islamic country like Pakistan.

The only thing Modi govt has done is remove the following:

1. Article 370 - we all agree a state should not have autonomy and it was a historical mistake.

2. Remove triple talaq - a repressive practice and everyone will agree removing it was correct decision

3. WAQF - why do we need a religious based board known for land grabbing for its profit?

4. Universal Civil Code - same law for everyone in the country.


All the above were correct things to do. So based on above you cant say BJP is after muslims. It is correcting historical mistakes.

You didn't even mention demolishing mosques, renaming roads and towns, cow protection legislation etc. Every word you write literally reeks of hatred of Musiims, not even restricted to India by the way, you have form in topics about Britain as well. But why not just be open about it? What is the need to dance round it?

Oh wait...I forgot. When you guys give your thoughts some air it creates big international backlash like it did in the UAE when Modi had to sack his minister Nupur Sharma after she let the mask slip.

 

[Rajdeep]

Oh and @Cpt. Rishwat forgot to address you on Hindus hate muslims gibberish. Are you saying it is one sided? Is it not true that muslims consider all non muslims as devil worshippers and kaafirs?

At least Hindus have reason to hate since they have been subjugated by Islamic invaders for 1000 years.

 

[Rajdeep]

You didn't even mention demolishing mosques, renaming roads and towns, cow protection legislation etc.

India has more mosques than Pakistan. The only Mosque that was demolished which was build by destroying Ram Temple as per archaeological survey and that too when Congress was in power.

Renaming names that were kept in the name of invaders are correct decision. It is similar to how Britain was demolishing all white supremacist statues after BLM movement.

Cow protection legislation was passed in 1951 by Jawaharlal Nehru...have some basic knowledge first

Every word you write literally reeks of hatred of Musiims, not even restricted to India by the way, you have form in topics about Britain as well. But why not just be open about it? What is the need to dance round it?

LOL you saying it is in irony when each and every post of your is about hatred for Hindutva and India. Infact many times Pakistani posters have highlighted the same to you. It is called Ulta Chor Kotwal ko daante.

Oh wait...I forgot. When you guys give your thoughts some air it creates big international backlash like it did in the UAE when Modi had to sack his minister Nupur Sharma after she let the mask slip.

What about Nupur Sharma? She made a mistake and has been banned since then. Have you seen her anywhere in any tv debates? Where as Waqar Younis openly says Hinduo ke beech me namaz and still continue to sit in Pak tv studios.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Oh and @Cpt. Rishwat forgot to address you on Hindus hate muslims gibberish. Are you saying it is one sided? Is it not true that muslims consider all non muslims as devil worshippers and kaafirs?

At least Hindus have reason to hate since they have been subjugated by Islamic invaders for 1000 years.

I don't think Muslims consider all non-Muslims as devil worshippers, but kafir just means those who don't believe in Islam. So what? They are perfectly free not to believe in Islam, that is their choice. That doesn't mean that Pakistani politicians have to whip up anti-Hindu hysteria to win elections.

 

[RexRex]

But Hindus do get

Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowments (HRCE) Acts exist
Sikh Gurdwaras Act, 1925

Hindus, Sikhs and others settle their religious property disputes by going to civil courts whereas Muslims have specially created Waqf tribunals for them.

I would abolish these tribunals and mandate that muslims must go to the courts as well.

 

[Major]

Hindus, Sikhs and others settle their religious property disputes by going to civil courts whereas Muslims have specially created Waqf tribunals for them.

I would abolish these tribunals and mandate that muslims must go to the courts as well.

So its ok if they get special act that gives the same thing?

 

[RexRex]

So its ok if they get special act that gives the same thing?

Not okay.

No special acts .. period; everybody gets access to the same govt resources. If it were up to me, I'd enact laws in Parlaiament that were religion neutral and doesn't favor anyone. A bit like the USA does.

 

[Rajdeep]

I don't think Muslims consider all non-Muslims as devil worshippers, but kafir just means those who don't believe in Islam. So what? They are perfectly free not to believe in Islam, that is their choice. That doesn't mean that Pakistani politicians have to whip up anti-Hindu hysteria to win elections.

Similarly all Hindus dont hate Muslims....its all in your mind.

Pakistani politicians whip Kashmir issue to win elections rather.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Similarly all Hindus dont hate Muslims....its all in your mind.

Pakistani politicians whip Kashmir issue to win elections rather.

Pakistani politicians trying to whip up the Kashmir issue is pretty much a dead duck these days, no one takes it seriously. But the hindutva movement is massively successful, and it seems to get a lot of traction by making Muslims the enemy. You can deny it if you want, but you are one of the posters who prove the truth in it.

 

[uppercut]

I don't think Muslims consider all non-Muslims as devil worshippers, but kafir just means those who don't believe in Islam. So what? They are perfectly free not to believe in Islam, that is their choice. That doesn't mean that Pakistani politicians have to whip up anti-Hindu hysteria to win elections.

Yeah next you are going to tell me you are the real Santa Clauss and you come bearing expensive Rolex watches as free gifts.

Here is the reality:

Kafir - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

See this tidbit in there:

In 2019, Nahdlatul Ulama, the world's largest independent Islamic organization, issued a proclamation urging Muslims to refrain from using the word kafir to refer to non-Muslims because the term is both offensive and perceived as "theologically violent"

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

More than the regime, it's 2 kaudi ke andhbhakts who are falling over each other to blindly support anything what the feku says or does.

Funniest part is, most of them don't even live in India and hence have no inkling what is it like to stay in a regime helmed by an illiterate.

Exactly, that is the funniest part. Maybe they feel guilty about enjoying their Canada and Americas while dreaming of a superpower India, so now they blindly support anything Feku says or does. And let's not forget their fake concern for cows roaming the streets and munching on plastic.

The irony is these same NRIs land in India, call it backward, and can't wait to hop on the next flight out.

 

[Red-Indian]

Sometimes I feel the India vs. Pakistan passion is sustained more by overseas Indians and Pakistanis than locals.

It's been a while since I heard Pakistan mentioned in Indian politician's speech. If they do so, it's more as a calumny against Indian Muslims who're targeted as an election issue. The main enemy is regular local Muslims.

I haven't heard Pakistani politicians bring India up in regular discourse either much to be honest. They're more focused on proving each other traitors. Of course they'll trot India out every time there's a terrorist incident and they need someone to blame.

It's a weird situation.

 

[Major]

Not okay.

No special acts .. period; everybody gets access to the same govt resources. If it were up to me, I'd enact laws in Parlaiament that were religion neutral and doesn't favor anyone. A bit like the USA does.

so you are saying Hindus and Sikhs should not get special acts like they are doing so right now?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

so you are saying Hindus and Sikhs should not get special acts like they are doing so right now?

He is saying exactly that, but I don't expect cow lovers from Great America who themselves enjoy a lavish lifestyle, to accept it.

 

[Major]

He is saying exactly that, but I don't expect cow lovers from Great America who themselves enjoy a lavish lifestyle, to accept it.

But than the question is, why didnt the Indian govt make a move and remove all special religious acts and only did so with Muslims.

 

[uppercut]

so you are saying Hindus and Sikhs should not get special acts like they are doing so right now?

The difference is that there is no Hindu or Sikh equivalent of the WAQF act which gives such ludicrous Powers like they could claim any property to be theirs and the burden of proof Would be on those whose property is impacted. Classic banana Republic.

But ofcourse this makes perfect sense

 

[Major]

The difference is that there is no Hindu or Sikh equivalent of the WAQF act which gives such ludicrous Powers like they could claim any property to be theirs and the burden of proof Would be on those whose property is impacted. Classic banana Republic.

But ofcourse this makes perfect sense

I just mentioned the act

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Tamil Nadu’s Waqf Bill resolution triggers uproar in Jammu and Kashmir Assembly​

The latest decision by the M.K. Stalin-led Tamil Nadu government to pass a firm anti-Waqf Bill resolution and simultaneously move the Supreme Court to challenge the contentious Act resonated in the Jammu and Kashmir Legislative Assembly on April 7, prompting Speaker Abdul Rahim Rather to adjourn the proceedings for the day.

Amid pandemonium and protests against the controversial Waqf Act, the Speaker adjourned the House twice. When the protests did not abate and disorder persisted, he finally adjourned the House for the day. The Speaker refused to entertain any discussions on the Waqf (Amendment) Bill, 2025, citing the matter as “sub judice”.

Earlier, opposition leaders led by People’s Democratic Party (PDP) MLA Waheed Parra hailed the Tamil Nadu government’s stance on the Waqf Bill. Notably, Kashmir’s head priest and chairman of the All Parties Hurriyat Conference, Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, also praised the Tamil Nadu government’s position while criticising the ruling National Conference for “compliance and capitulation”.

Opposition’s ire
Waheed Parra attempted to move a resolution against the controversial Waqf Act, stating: “This Assembly resolves to urge the Union government to immediately withdraw the Waqf Amendment Act and restore the previous legal framework governing all Waqf properties.”

However, the Speaker refused to allow Parra’s resolution. “With as many as 50 Muslim MLAs, the Jammu and Kashmir Assembly failed its community by not passing a resolution against the Waqf Act. On the other hand, the Tamil Nadu government took an unambiguous stance,” Parra, the PDP’s youth leader, told Frontline.

He accused the ruling National Conference, led by Chief Minister Omar Abdullah, of “surrendering on all important issues”. “Sadly, the National Conference keeps offering a meek surrender—first on Articles 370 and 35A, then on statehood, and now even on an important religious matter, the Waqf Act. No resolution on the Waqf amounts to silent approval,” he said.

Echoing Parra’s views, Hurriyat chief Mirwaiz Umar Farooq commended the Tamil Nadu government’s stand and denounced the National Conference’s “capitulation”. “It is deeply disheartening to witness the National Conference government and the Speaker of the J&K Assembly hiding behind technicalities and refusing to discuss such an important issue,” Mirwaiz told Frontline, adding: “Tamil Nadu, with only a six per cent Muslim population, passed a robust anti-Waqf Bill resolution. The NC government refused to draw any lessons from Tamil Nadu.”

He also expressed similar sentiments on X (formerly Twitter). Former Chief Minister and PDP president Mehbooba Mufti said that Muslims across India had their hopes pinned on Muslim-majority Jammu and Kashmir but had faced disappointment. “We are a Muslim-majority region. The Muslim community had hoped that our Chief Minister, Omar Abdullah, a Muslim, would at least speak up and stand in solidarity with them. The least they expected was that he would not allow the Waqf Act to be implemented in Jammu and Kashmir. But that was not to be,” she said

Source: The Hindu

 

[sweep_shot]

Why are they so mad at Waqf?

Why do they have a problem if Indian Muslims have private properties (which they received legally)? It seems like they want to steal Muslim private properties.

#Thieves

 

[big_gamer007]

What is a Muslim matter? Property acts, criminal, civil laws apply to everyone equally living in a country. Speaking of none of your business it is definetely BJP’s business as last time I checked they are responsible for governance and administration as elected government. Seems more like none of your business to me

You seem to be oblivious to the crux of the entire debate with this guy. Your debate with this guy is not about waqf or BJP. It’s about the core difference in thought process, for a lot of Muslims (if not most) including the guy you are debating, their Muslim identity comes first above any nation.
You won’t be able to convince the guy or have a logical debate based on laws or concept of secularism or rule of land with such a Muslim because for them those things are secondary/non existent.

 

[HalBass9]

I don't think any Indian is in position to lecture anyone on secularism when the entire Modi’s cabinet promote religion more than secularism.

 

[Slim]

Oh and @Cpt. Rishwat forgot to address you on Hindus hate muslims gibberish. Are you saying it is one sided? Is it not true that muslims consider all non muslims as devil worshippers and kaafirs?

At least Hindus have reason to hate since they have been subjugated by Islamic invaders for 1000 years.

Correction: Christians and Jews think that Hindus are devil worshippers. Muslims just think of Hindus as pagans. You are not the same as Jews or Christians which are considered people of the book.

 

[MP2011]

There is a total of 8L acres land under Waqf in entire India. However, there is a total of 10L acres of land in 4 Southern states of Kerala, TN, Telangana & AP alone under Hindu temples.

Wonder why this regime went only after Waqf but not the Hindu religious places which themselves have amassed a huge wealth themselves.

Case in point being Sidhi Vinayak temple in Mumbai received donations of INR 133 crores, a hike of 16% as compared to last FY.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yeah next you are going to tell me you are the real Santa Clauss and you come bearing expensive Rolex watches as free gifts.

Here is the reality:

Kafir - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

See this tidbit in there:

In 2019, Nahdlatul Ulama, the world's largest independent Islamic organization, issued a proclamation urging Muslims to refrain from using the word kafir to refer to non-Muslims because the term is both offensive and perceived as "theologically violent"

This is just political correctness to be honest, the fault lies in the perception, not the terminology. If you don't believe in Islam, why would you have a problem being a disbeliever?

 

[Slim]

There is a total of 8L acres land under Waqf in entire India. However, there is a total of 10L acres of land in 4 Southern states of Kerala, TN, Telangana & AP alone under Hindu temples.

Wonder why this regime went only after Waqf but not the Hindu religious places which themselves have amassed a huge wealth themselves.

Case in point being Sidhi Vinayak temple in Mumbai received donations of INR 133 crores, a hike of 16% as compared to last FY.

Any answer to this @Bhaijaan @Rajdeep

 

[Bhaijaan]

Any answer to this @Bhaijaan @Rajdeep

We will both get back to you soon brother.

 

[MP2011]

Any answer to this @Bhaijaan @Rajdeep

This regime is indulging in this kind of communal warfare as it wants it's andhbhakts to have a toy to play and forget about unimportant issues like inflation, unemployment, illiteracy, hunger, sanitation, business and industries etc.

Indulging in Muslim bashing is favourite pastime of feku and his andhbhakts.

 

[MP2011]

If this regime is so worried about Muslims and the issues plaguing them, why it didn't give a single ticket to any Muslim?

 

[uppercut]

This is just political correctness to be honest, the fault lies in the perception, not the terminology. If you don't believe in Islam, why would you have a problem being a disbeliever?

Read that tidbit in RED again which explains why such a drastic action was necessary and additionally read the entire wiki link. I mean there is no shortage of well documented violent repurcussions for Kafir populations the world over for centuries to go with the linguistic aspect of it. It compares with the use of the N word for African American people. It is waaaaay more than political correctness.​

 

[Romali_rotti]

It looks like Pakistanis will be launching a strong appeal in Indian Supreme Court on behalf of Indian Waqf Board.

Hopefully they are successful