Blessings in Pahalgam Attack

[m.shah]

First of all prayers with all the innocent people who got killed and May Allah give patience to their families.
Words fall short to condemn this terrorist attack but what it has done it has united Kashmir against terrorism. Whole Kashmir is with the victims and feeling their pain. No one is calling it inside job and everyone is calling Pakistan on this. People have become really frd up with the gun and now want to start new chapter of life where there shouldn't be any violence from any side. Kashmiris are proudly calling themselves Indians and to be part of Pakistan is out of question.
At the same time this is a golden opportunity for India to really care about Kashmiri people more. Bring more development here and also keep army in check. Make sure a policy is created where the relation between army and common people becomes positive.
Also don't seperate Kashmiris based on this attack as that will have repercussions.
At last give boost to Kashmir's horticulture and tourism so that economy will get boosted and people will divert in those fields instead of gun culture.
@Romali_rotti

 

[Rajdeep]

Terrific thread. Kashmiris are our brothers and Indian govt will and should do everything in their power to protect them and develop that state. No one looks at Kashmiris any different to any other Indians.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Terrific thread. Kashmiris are our brothers and Indian govt will and should do everything in their power to protect them and develop that state. No one looks at Kashmiris any different to any other Indians.

I pray it's true and no Kashmiri Muslim's house get blown again like yesterday

 

[m.shah]

Terrific thread. Kashmiris are our brothers and Indian govt will and should do everything in their power to protect them and develop that state. No one looks at Kashmiris any different to any other Indians.

Thanks Brother

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The damage has already been done. Except for Kashmiris, Indians in other parts of the country are blaming the locals for aiding terrorists.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Sadly it will be the opposite, more abuses, killings, torture and rapes . These hindu fanatics in power dont care for development, they want control and make at a hindu majority.
Only when these people are fully free, they will advance.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Terrific thread. Kashmiris are our brothers and Indian govt will and should do everything in their power to protect them and develop that state. No one looks at Kashmiris any different to any other Indians.

 

[Major]

What Blessings?

Modi Media is using this event as a political tool. They have created an us vs them narrative between Hindus and Muslims.

There is alot of long run damage from this. If people still see positives for Muslims under BJP govt than good luck......

 

[Devadwal]

You're opening this thread woth positive mindset but wait for some pakistan posters to find the conspiracy theories.

 

[Rajdeep]

Sadly it will be the opposite, more abuses, killings, torture and rapes . These hindu fanatics in power dont care for development, they want control and make at a hindu majority.
Only when these people are fully free, they will advance.

Spoken like a true separatist. India has many Muslim-majority areas, such as Old City Hyderabad, Malappuram in Kerala, Murshidabad, Medinipur, and Dakshin 24 Parganas in Bengal, as well as many places in Uttar Pradesh and Delhi, etc. No Hindu-led government has ever tried to change the demographics of these places. As long as Pakistan stays away and stops poking its nose, Kashmir will continue to progress.

In fact, it was already progressing until this terrorist attack, which was conducted by Pakistan because they couldn't digest Kashmir’s growth. So much for being the "saviour" of Kashmiris... LOL. The good thing is that, unlike earlier times, every Kashmiri is now openly blaming Pakistan for this attack. As I have said many times before, give it 20 more years, and Kashmiris will hate Pakistan the same way Afghans do now.

 

[Rajdeep]

Remember once upon to time you used to type as well brother.

Ban ke tu rahe gaya hai Meme ki dukaan

 

[sweep_shot]

I expect India to be balkanized in the long run.

I also expect Kashmir to become free at some point. It is obviously occupied currently. IOK is not a part of India; it is a disputed territory.

It is to remain a disputed territory until UN resolution 47 is implemented --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_47.

 

[Major]

The only good thing i am seeing is that now from Pakistan side, all that aman ke aisha ******** is dead. Even Indian journalist have been surprised by the stern responses from our journalist. Sethi gave a very good shut up call last night to Karan Thapar.
Its funny how India govt sees Pakistan media as a threat and has banned alot of these chnnales.

 

[Devadwal]

I expect India to be balkanized in the long run.

I also expect Kashmir to become free at some point. It is obviously occupied currently. IOK is not a part of India; it is a disputed territory.

It is to remain a disputed territory until UN resolution 47 is implemented --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_47.

Here comes the another Islamist to spread The nonsense .

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The best way to settle this matter is to hold a referendum. It will give us the true reflection of what Kashmiri opinion is, and also provide a way out to the losing party.

 

[sweep_shot]

The only good thing i am seeing is that now from Pakistan side, all that aman ke aisha ******** is dead. Even Indian journalist have been surprised by the stern responses from our journalist. Sethi gave a very good shut up call last night to Karan Thapar.
Its funny how India govt sees Pakistan media as a threat and has banned alot of these chnnales.

Other countries should ban Indian media too. India media is pretty low-quality anyway.

 

[sweep_shot]

The best way to settle this matter is to hold a referendum. It will give us the true reflection of what Kashmiri opinion is, and also provide a way out to the losing party.

Agree.

That's what UN proposed with resolution #47:

United Nations Security Council Resolution 47 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But, India obviously didn't cooperate.

 

[Rajdeep]

I expect India to be balkanized in the long run.

I also expect Kashmir to become free at some point. It is obviously occupied currently. IOK is not a part of India; it is a disputed territory.

It is to remain a disputed territory until UN resolution 47 is implemented --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_47.

Yeh balkan balkan karte huye firse aa gaya...looks like only English word he picked in Kanneda

 

[Devadwal]

JKNC Chief Farooq Abdullah says, "I used to favour dialogue with Pakistan every time...How will we answer those who lost their loved ones? Are we doing justice? Not Balakot, today the nation wants such action to be taken so that these kinds of attacks never happen..."

He further says, "We regret that our neighbour today also does not understand that it has murdered humanity. If they think that by doing this, we will go with Pakistan, we should clear their misunderstanding. We did not go with them in 1947, so why will we go today? We threw the two-nation theory into the water at that time. Today, we are also not ready to accept the two-nation theory. Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christians, we are all one...We will give a befitting reply to them..."

Farooq Abdullah share same thoughts .

 

[Rajdeep]

The best way to settle this matter is to hold a referendum. It will give us the true reflection of what Kashmiri opinion is, and also provide a way out to the losing party.

There won't be any referendum. Kashmir will remain with India and govt will do everything in their power to make development in that state. Even after so much inclusion if some still don't want to stay, they are free to leave. As long as Pakistan dnt poke its nose in Kashmir, it will be changa si there

 

[KingKhanWC]

Spoken like a true separatist. India has many Muslim-majority areas, such as Old City Hyderabad, Malappuram in Kerala, Murshidabad, Medinipur, and Dakshin 24 Parganas in Bengal, as well as many places in Uttar Pradesh and Delhi, etc. No Hindu-led government has ever tried to change the demographics of these places. As long as Pakistan stays away and stops poking its nose, Kashmir will continue to progress.

In fact, it was already progressing until this terrorist attack, which was conducted by Pakistan because they couldn't digest Kashmir’s growth. So much for being the "saviour" of Kashmiris... LOL. The good thing is that, unlike earlier times, every Kashmiri is now openly blaming Pakistan for this attack. As I have said many times before, give it 20 more years, and Kashmiris will hate Pakistan the same way Afghans do now.

The vast majority dont want to be part of India, its occupied land. Right now hundreds are detained and being abused . Stop watching childish and idiotic indian news and dumb indian movies , educate yourself from independent sources.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

There won't be any referendum. Kashmir will remain with India and govt will do everything in their power to make development in that state. Even after so much inclusion if some still don't want to stay, they are free to leave. As long as Pakistan dnt poke its nose in Kashmir, it will be changa si there

Then I will lay the blame squarely on you for any future terrorist attacks.

 

[Devadwal]

The vast majority dont want to be part of India, its occupied land. Right now hundreds are detained and being abused . Stop watching childish and idiotic indian news and dumb indian movies , educate yourself from independent sources.

Before talking nonsense, this thread is open by a local kashmiri. Stop watching Pakistan news channels

 

[Rajdeep]

JKNC Chief Farooq Abdullah says, "I used to favour dialogue with Pakistan every time...How will we answer those who lost their loved ones? Are we doing justice? Not Balakot, today the nation wants such action to be taken so that these kinds of attacks never happen..."

He further says, "We regret that our neighbour today also does not understand that it has murdered humanity. If they think that by doing this, we will go with Pakistan, we should clear their misunderstanding. We did not go with them in 1947, so why will we go today? We threw the two-nation theory into the water at that time. Today, we are also not ready to accept the two-nation theory. Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christians, we are all one...We will give a befitting reply to them..."

Farooq Abdullah share same thoughts .

Tides are changing. Seldom when Rajdeep says something, it comes out wrong. I have already said and repeating again, by 2045 every Kashmiri will hate Pakistan like Afghanistan do now. The same Pakistanis will call them Namak Haram then like they do for Afghans now.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The best way to settle this matter is to hold a referendum. It will give us the true reflection of what Kashmiri opinion is, and also provide a way out to the losing party.

Its obvious they will choose independent Kashmir, otherwise if India was their choice it would have taken place years ago or right now
.

Like all occasions resistance and time will ensure freedom . Kashmiris have a legal right to resist and attack occupation forces if they choose to do so . Pakistan should continue its support as long as its against lawful combatants .

 

[KingKhanWC]

Before talking nonsense, this thread is open by a local kashmiri. Stop watching Pakistan news channels

I dont lol . I think you have bigger issues personally like batting for the other team , your KP fascination is disturbing even if allowed in your faith

 

[Rajdeep]

Then I will lay the blame squarely on you for any future terrorist attacks.

Are you saying me if referendum happens and Kashmiris choose to live with India, you army will give up Kashmir cause, their main USP of staying in power and focus on other things? You are so naive.

I am also agreeing the other side, that if Kashmiris decide to break out from India as per referendum, India will still not let them go.

SO this referendum is a vogus idea. Educated Pakistanis like you should rather ask your army to work for betterment of Pakistan rather than poking its nose in other countries affairs.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Are you saying me if referendum happens and Kashmiris choose to live with India, you army will give up Kashmir cause, their main USP of staying in power and focus on other things? You are so naive.

I am also agreeing the other side, that if Kashmiris decide to break out from India as per referendum, India will still not let them go.

SO this referendum is a vogus idea. Educated Pakistanis like you should rather ask your army to work for betterment of Pakistan rather than poking its nose in other countries affairs.

Have you given up on my India's dreams of retaking Azad Kashmir

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

This incident has just shown how little leverage Pakistan has against India.
1. India just walked out of IWT, Pakistan has no recourse except drumming up some noise like article 370 in 2019
2. Pakistan's trade restrictions have little to zero impact on India, while Pakistan needs Indian medicines.
3. Closure of airspace: Pakistan like 2019 is losing millions of dollars of revenue from India. Some Indian airlines in North will get impacted but thats part of business. Pakistan will revert this move in a few months on its own like always.
4. Pakistan annulling Shimla agreement: That's the most laughable one, Pakistan violates that every few months by raising the Kashmir issue at UN, Kargil in 1999 was lovely recognition of Shimla agreement too. Its a non news because Pakistan never adhered to Simla Agreement in the first place.

 

[Rajdeep]

The vast majority dont want to be part of India, its occupied land. Right now hundreds are detained and being abused . Stop watching childish and idiotic indian news and dumb indian movies , educate yourself from independent sources.

That is due to historical brainwashing by Pakistanis in the name of religion. However the tides are changing. As you can yourself see every Kashmiri is accusing Pakistan for this terrorist attack and blaming them for halting all the tourism and development in the valley. So few more years, this brainwashing will totally disappear. Did you hear what Abdhullah had to say in J&K assembly today?

Just mind your own business. How and why it is so difficult for Pakistanis is beyond me?

#Chachaji

 

[Devadwal]

I dont lol . I think you have bigger issues personally like batting for the other team , your KP fascination is disturbing even if allowed in your faith

Your frustrations is clearly visible. Get well soon

 

[Rajdeep]

Have you given up on my India's dreams of retaking Azad Kashmir

When have I dreamt that. India will never be able to take Pakistan Occupied Kashmir as Pakistan will never able to take J&K.

The only difference being India don't do terrorism there but same cant be said for Pakistan

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Sadly it will be the opposite, more abuses, killings, torture and rapes . These hindu fanatics in power dont care for development, they want control and make at a hindu majority.
Only when these people are fully free, they will advance.

I will wait for the day when OP's wishes get fulfilled otherwise fearing same....as one is ally of Israel

 

[The Bald Eagle]

This incident has just shown how little leverage Pakistan has against India.
1. India just walked out of IWT, Pakistan has no recourse except drumming up some noise like article 370 in 2019
2. Pakistan's trade restrictions have little to zero impact on India, while Pakistan needs Indian medicines.
3. Closure of airspace: Pakistan like 2019 is losing millions of dollars of revenue from India. Some Indian airlines in North will get impacted but thats part of business. Pakistan will revert this move in a few months on its own like always.
4. Pakistan annulling Shimla agreement: That's the most laughable one, Pakistan violates that every few months by raising the Kashmir issue at UN, Kargil in 1999 was lovely recognition of Shimla agreement too. Its a non news because Pakistan never adhered to Simla Agreement in the first place.

Lol...you maybe aren't aware of the reports that stat monetary lose to Indian airlines

 

[Devadwal]

Most important thing, Indus Waters Treaty was 'most unfair" according to local Kashmir.

Indus Waters Treaty was 'most unfair document' to people of J&K: Omar​

Indus Waters Treaty was 'most unfair document' to people of J&K: Omar

Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Omar Abdullah criticizes the Indus Water Treaty with Pakistan, condemns Pahalgam attack, and vows support.

www.thehindu.com

 

[DeadlyVenom]

When have I dreamt that. India will never be able to take Pakistan Occupied Kashmir as Pakistan will never able to take J&K.

The only difference being India don't do terrorism there but same cant be said for Pakistan

Ok you have conceded half and admitted the foolishness of Jaishankars comments.

Won't be long till you concede the other part

 

[Devadwal]

Lol...you maybe aren't aware of the reports that stat monetary lose to Indian airlines

Check the real news ,while india is losing money but at the same time pakistan loss is bigger than you can't even imagine after airspace closer and Trade banned. India can afford that lose but pakistan is already bankrupt so they can't.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This incident has just shown how little leverage Pakistan has against India.
1. India just walked out of IWT, Pakistan has no recourse except drumming up some noise like article 370 in 2019
2. Pakistan's trade restrictions have little to zero impact on India, while Pakistan needs Indian medicines.
3. Closure of airspace: Pakistan like 2019 is losing millions of dollars of revenue from India. Some Indian airlines in North will get impacted but thats part of business. Pakistan will revert this move in a few months on its own like always.
4. Pakistan annulling Shimla agreement: That's the most laughable one, Pakistan violates that every few months by raising the Kashmir issue at UN, Kargil in 1999 was lovely recognition of Shimla agreement too. Its a non news because Pakistan never adhered to Simla Agreement in the first place.

India has not walked out of IWT.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I will wait for the day when OP's wishes get fulfilled otherwise fearing same....as one is ally of Israel

Same mentality too. Most of those clowns begging for war like Zionists do is not because they care for civilian deaths but their sicknesses inside wanting to kill others who they see as enemies.

 

[Rajdeep]

I will wait for the day when OP's wishes get fulfilled otherwise fearing same....as one is ally of Israel

What are you afraid of? India's constitution is secular republic. Whether I agree with that or not is different story but that is the genesis of our country. At max, Kashmir valley will have lots of non-muslims as well living peacefully with muslims like in any other part of India. Similarly, Kashmir's will live and thrive in all parts of India.

So what exactly are you afraid off and what you envision is going to happen if Kashmir dont separate from India?

Being a fair man, I want to hear both side of the story...so your time starts now.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Lol...you maybe aren't aware of the reports that stat monetary lose to Indian airlines

Maybe you arent aware about 2019, when Pakistan on its own revoked the ban. Pakistan lost about US$200 million in revenue from usage of its air space.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

What are you afraid of? India's constitution is secular republic. Whether I agree with that or not is different story but that is the genesis of our country. At max, Kashmir valley will have lots of non-muslims as well living peacefully with muslims like in any other part of India. Similarly, Kashmir's will live and thrive in all parts of India.

So what exactly are you afraid off and what you envision is going to happen if Kashmir dont separate from India?

Being a fair man, I want to hear both side of the story...so your time starts now.

To put it bluntly, I fear a recap of Kashmiri Muslims genocide post Burhani Wani's martyrdom and like Israel, India may unleash on these poor souls too under pretext of current situation.

 

[Rajdeep]

Same mentality too. Most of those clowns begging for war like Zionists do is not because they care for civilian deaths but their sicknesses inside wanting to kill others who they see as enemies.

COAS Munir says Hindus are different to us and next day terrorists butcher 26 Hindus.

And we are sick, eh?

 

[Rajdeep]

To put it bluntly, I fear a recap of Kashmiri Muslims genocide post Burhani Wani's martyrdom and like Israel, India may unleash on these poor souls too under pretext of current situation.

Burhan Wani was creation of whom? So who was the reason of that genocide?

If Pakistanis stay apart from poking its nose in Kashmir, there wont be any Burhan Wani in first place, so no question of genocide.

Pakistan should just mind its own business, let go Kashmir obsession and focus on its own country. Not very tough na?

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

India has not walked out of IWT.

India had already put IWT into non-operative status since 2023 by not appointing the 2 judges for the Court of Arbitration.
Permanent Commissioners have not met since 2021. India had asked for renegotiation, Pakistan had refused as per its right.
There is nothing, absolutely nothing forcing India back to Indus Water treaty.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Maybe you arent aware about 2019, when Pakistan on its own revoked the ban. Pakistan lost about US$200 million in revenue from usage of its air space.
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By the way following figures represent Pak govt loss vs Indian private sector loss let alone loss to your government and people.
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Pakistan's Losses
Pakistan faces significant revenue losses from overflight fees charged to Indian airlines. During a similar 2019 closure, Pakistan lost $100 million over five months ($760,000 daily). Current estimates suggest $120,000–$232,000 daily losses from overflight fees alone, depending on aircraft size. The combined impact on Pakistan’s aviation sector (including PIA’s operational losses) could again approach millions monthly.

India's Costs
Indian airlines face higher fuel expenses and longer flight times due to rerouting. In 2019, the closure cost Indian carriers $64–82 million. Current disruptions affect 800+ weekly flights, with ultra-long-haul routes (e.g., North America) requiring technical stops in Europe, increasing operational costs. While exact 2025 figures are unconfirmed, daily losses are likely multi-million rupees (crores) for fuel and logistics.

Key Comparison

Aspect Pakistan India
Loss Type Lost overflight fees, airline revenue Higher fuel costs, operational delays
2019 Impact ~$100 million $64–82 million
2025 Estimate $120k–$232k daily Crores daily (fuel/logistics)

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Burhan Wani was creation of whom? So who was the reason of that genocide?

If Pakistanis stay apart from poking its nose in Kashmir, there wont be any Burhan Wani in first place, so no question of genocide.

Pakistan should just mind its own business, let go Kashmir obsession and focus on its own country. Not very tough na?

Don't be this biased, Indian atrocities breed these freedom fighters...and I am being totally objective on this statement

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

By the way following figures represent Pak govt loss vs Indian private sector loss let alone loss to your government and people.
====
Pakistan's Losses
Pakistan faces significant revenue losses from overflight fees charged to Indian airlines. During a similar 2019 closure, Pakistan lost $100 million over five months ($760,000 daily). Current estimates suggest $120,000–$232,000 daily losses from overflight fees alone, depending on aircraft size. The combined impact on Pakistan’s aviation sector (including PIA’s operational losses) could again approach millions monthly.

India's Costs
Indian airlines face higher fuel expenses and longer flight times due to rerouting. In 2019, the closure cost Indian carriers $64–82 million. Current disruptions affect 800+ weekly flights, with ultra-long-haul routes (e.g., North America) requiring technical stops in Europe, increasing operational costs. While exact 2025 figures are unconfirmed, daily losses are likely multi-million rupees (crores) for fuel and logistics.

Key Comparison

Aspect Pakistan India
Loss Type Lost overflight fees, airline revenue Higher fuel costs, operational delays
2019 Impact ~$100 million $64–82 million
2025 Estimate $120k–$232k daily Crores daily (fuel/logistics)

So in 2019 Pakistan lost more than India by closing its airspace .
When tempers calm down, Pakistan will silently revoke the ban. Its basically free dollars from India that Pakistan is denying itself.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Airspace will obviously be closed due to heightened tensions.

It is not solely an economic decision. Only Indian carriers are banned.

 

[m.shah]

I pray it's true and no Kashmiri Muslim's house get blown again like yesterday

Well if someone takes wrong path against nation and kill innocent tourists what option they left for army.

The damage has already been done. Except for Kashmiris, Indians in other parts of the country are blaming the locals for aiding terrorists.

Sadly Godi Media is spreading false narrative but they are getting good taste in Kashmir

 

[m.shah]

What Blessings?

Modi Media is using this event as a political tool. They have created an us vs them narrative between Hindus and Muslims.

There is alot of long run damage from this. If people still see positives for Muslims under BJP govt than good luck......

It will take some time but atleast Kashmiris are protesting this terrorist attack , which is first time in 30 years

 

[The Bald Eagle]

So in 2019 Pakistan lost more than India by closing its airspace .
When tempers calm down, Pakistan will silently revoke the ban. Its basically free dollars from India that Pakistan is denying itself.

So is it a one-way loss?? And what about 200 million dollars...lol may be in your opinion even India lost also fell on Pak govt.

 

[Rajdeep]

Don't be this biased, Indian atrocities breed these freedom fighters...and I am being totally objective on this statement

That is factually incorrect bro. Pakistan wanted to annex whole of Kashmir but failed to do so in 1948 war. Since then they tried to fight couple of more wars and lost those as well. Then knowing they cant win Kashmir by conventional wars, started funding Mujahideens in the valley. The young men who should have books and mother's lap in their childhood, were given guns and stones. Indian army had no option but to protect the state from such upsurge. Every country in the world will do the same.

Again, my point remains the same. You don't have to trust me, just ask you army to stay away from the business of Kashmir for just 10 years and focus on your own country. If you still see so called freedom fighters emerging and there is an upsurge, then come and talk.

Look its clear, your army wants to keep this Kashmir flag burning to keep control on the country. The day Kashmir issue dies down, so will their relevance. So the local Kashmiris are guniea pigs for them.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

That is factually incorrect bro. Pakistan wanted to annex whole of Kashmir but failed to do so in 1948 war. Since then they tried to fight couple of more wars and lost those as well. Then knowing they cant win Kashmir by conventional wars, started funding Mujahideens in the valley. The young men who should have books and mother's lap in their childhood, were given guns and stones. Indian army had no option but to protect the state from such upsurge. Every country in the world will do the same.

Again, my point remains the same. You don't have to trust me, just ask you army to stay away from the business of Kashmir for just 10 years and focus on your own country. If you still see so called freedom fighters emerging and there is an upsurge, then come and talk.

Look its clear, your army wants to keep this Kashmir flag burning to keep control on the country. The day Kashmir issue dies down, so will their relevance. So the local Kashmiris are guniea pigs for them.

Tbh, I am even of the opinion, that Kashmiris be left on their own by both countries as fully autonomous regions

 

[Bhaijaan]

If the people of Kashmir are willing to take even a single step forward, the nation will respond by moving ten steps toward them and the same spirit extends to our dearest brothers in Pakistan. May these heightened tensions ultimately lead us all toward the path of peace. May God bless the people of Pakistan with the wealth, prosperity, and happiness they seek. I genuinely wish the best for everyone.

Love and anger are but two sides of the same coin. With Pakistan, it is not just politics but deep wounds of the heart that must heal if we are ever to truly move forward together.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

So is it a one-way loss?? And what about 200 million dollars...lol may be in your opinion even India lost also fell on Pak govt.

When did I say its a one-way loss .

 

[Bhaijaan]

I’ve been feeling physically unwell these past few days. My body and mind are struggling to function under the weight of this hostility and thirst for blood that seems to have overtaken everything around us.

There was a time when an earlier version of myself, one who had fallen to the dark side, thrived on such warmongering, it used to thrill me and i had literally become a world war anticipating little demon. But I am no longer that person who finds satisfaction in the suffering of the innocent.

I pray to God for an end to this madness, and for healing of our hearts, so that we may all find a way forward on a better, nobler path.

For all those who have an opinion on Hindutva, please also know that it was the revival of Sanatan Dharma in my heart that i retired from the dark side to become the man I am today.

 

[HalBass9]

Every insurgency, without exception, has external support, Kashmir is no different. Pakistan’s involvement will persist as long as grievances inside Kashmir remain alive, and the fact that they still do after decades of occupation should be the real headline.

Pretending that economic investment alone could resolve Kashmir is a comforting myth. Tourism can thrive under peace, regardless of whether Kashmir is under India, Nepal, or anyone else, but economic opportunity was never the root cause. The insurgency stems from political disenfranchisement, systemic dehumanization of Muslims within India, demographic manipulation in Kashmir, and decades of proxy warfare, including India’s own track record of fueling instability across its borders.

The hard truth is this, sustainable peace demands dialogue, respect, and regional cooperation, not isolation, suppression, or military arrogance. History is unkind to powers that believe might makes right. America's failures abroad should be warning enough. it will simply repeat, consuming innocent lives on both sides with each turn.

Size does not grant impunity, and India cannot bully its way into legitimacy. Sooner or later, dialogue will not be an option, it will be a necessity. Without dialogue, the cycle of violence will not end, it will simply repeat, consuming innocent lives on both sides with each turn.

Ultimately, the choice is simple, engage in meaningful dialogue now, or be dragged into it later by the weight of inevitable reality.

India had its opportunity when popular a leader in Pakistan extended a hand of engagement. Instead of seizing it, India, intoxicated by newly acquired wealth and the bigotry of its political leadership, chose arrogance over wisdom, mistaking momentary advantage for permanent supremacy.

 

[Devadwal]

Omar Abdullah in J&K Assembly - “this is the beginning of the end of terrorism if we take proper step

We may have an historic opportunity, from this grave tragedy. Hope our leaders seize it.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Every insurgency, without exception, has external support, Kashmir is no different. Pakistan’s involvement will persist as long as grievances inside Kashmir remain alive, and the fact that they still do after decades of occupation should be the real headline.

Pretending that economic investment alone could resolve Kashmir is a comforting myth. Tourism can thrive under peace, regardless of whether Kashmir is under India, Nepal, or anyone else, but economic opportunity was never the root cause. The insurgency stems from political disenfranchisement, systemic dehumanization of Muslims within India, demographic manipulation in Kashmir, and decades of proxy warfare, including India’s own track record of fueling instability across its borders.

The hard truth is this, sustainable peace demands dialogue, respect, and regional cooperation, not isolation, suppression, or military arrogance. History is unkind to powers that believe might makes right. America's failures abroad should be warning enough. it will simply repeat, consuming innocent lives on both sides with each turn.

Size does not grant impunity, and India cannot bully its way into legitimacy. Sooner or later, dialogue will not be an option, it will be a necessity. Without dialogue, the cycle of violence will not end, it will simply repeat, consuming innocent lives on both sides with each turn.

Ultimately, the choice is simple, engage in meaningful dialogue now, or be dragged into it later by the weight of inevitable reality.

India had its opportunity when popular a leader in Pakistan extended a hand of engagement. Instead of seizing it, India, intoxicated by newly acquired wealth and the bigotry of its political leadership, chose arrogance over wisdom, mistaking momentary advantage for permanent supremacy.

spoken like a true islamic thug.

we get what we want or we will murder your civilians for fun becos we are not capable of defeating your army.

@BouncerGuy @The Bald Eagle @FearlessRoar how exactly does @HalBass9 declaring that Pakistan is a terrorism nation align with "community standards" of PP?

 

[JaDed]

Wow so much negativity from Pak and wannabe Pak posters, but thanks for the post @m.shah.

 

[HalBass9]

spoken like a true islamic thug.

we get what we want or we will murder your civilians for fun becos we are not capable of defeating your army.

@BouncerGuy @The Bald Eagle @FearlessRoar how exactly does @HalBass9 declaring that Pakistan is a terrorism nation align with "community standards" of PP?

Damn bro, went straight for the cliche, I really thought you had better material than that.

Weren't you the one proudly fantasizing about poisoning Pakistani water for a slow death? As an atheist, you’d think you’d oppose all religious bigotry, not align yourself with one just because it suits your hate.

You and @uppercut don’t sound like free thinkers, you sound like two bitter guys stuck in the same sick fantasy of mass murder.

Nothing rebellious about following hate like a lost puppy.

I’m not a government official, I don’t get to declare anything, unlike @Rajdeep. I'm just an ordinary citizen offering an analysis and an opinion based on the facts as I see them. Nothing more, nothing less

But do let us know, were you offended as an atheist, as an atheist Hindutva follower, or as an atheist who just dreams of seeing all Muslims dead?

It’s hard to tell with all the layers of hatred you’re juggling.

 

[Devadwal]

Wow so much negativity from Pak and wannabe Pak posters, but thanks for the post @m.shah.

Pakistan and wannabe Pak poster are rattled after seeing the reality. Pakistan is totally exposed after This terrorist attacks . Why we are even expecting from them to say anything positive.

 

[HalBass9]

Pakistan and wannabe Pak poster are rattled after seeing the reality. Pakistan is totally exposed after This terrorist attacks . Why we are even expecting from them to say anything positive.

In matters like these, the positive is objective: every Pakistani has condemned the attack. Now we are discussing the causes.

You believe India has no involvement in terrorism in Pakistan, that's a negative mindset that refuses to acknowledge reality, and it won't solve anything. On the other hand, Pakistanis are saying, 'Both sides could be responsible,' and are willing to have that conversation.

You’re upset because your feelings are hurt, while you openly fantasized about poisoning Pakistani water to kill civilians.
See the difference? One side is trying to understand the complexity; the other side is just drowning in hatred.

Honestly, why am I even discussing this with someone who once proudly wrote an op-ed here hoping the Indian government would commit mass murder by poisoning Pakistani water?

And you were excited about how Pakistani were killed in a train by terrorist in Balouchistan. Nevermind, enjoy your time spamming here.

@JaDed, I've just highlighted the negativity.

 

[ElRaja]

omar abdullah was the guy who used to say there will never be compromise on 370, lol. im sure spending nearly a year in prison for thinking he could get away with saying what he really thought changed his mind, dude has no political influence without the approval of the powers that be.

also nothing says brotherhood like one side asking for special concessions to be considered brothers, while the other calculates how long those concessions will have to be made for before the brother is too weak to keep asking.

 

[JaDed]

In matters like these, the positive is objective: every Pakistani has condemned the attack. Now we are discussing the causes.

You believe India has no involvement in terrorism in Pakistan, that's a negative mindset that refuses to acknowledge reality, and it won't solve anything. On the other hand, Pakistanis are saying, 'Both sides could be responsible,' and are willing to have that conversation.

You’re upset because your feelings are hurt, while you openly fantasized about poisoning Pakistani water to kill civilians.
See the difference? One side is trying to understand the complexity; the other side is just drowning in hatred.

Honestly, why am I even discussing this with someone who once proudly wrote an op-ed here hoping the Indian government would commit mass murder by poisoning Pakistani water?

And you were excited about how Pakistani were killed in a train by terrorist in Balouchistan. Nevermind, enjoy your time spamming here.

@JaDed, I've just highlighted the negativity.

Indian posters here cannot be the reason for negativity in Kashmir.

Negativity towards Indian posters isn’t equivalent to progress that is being made in Kashmir either, so you can go ahead with that.

 

[Romali_rotti]

The best way to settle this matter is to hold a referendum. It will give us the true reflection of what Kashmiri opinion is, and also provide a way out to the losing party.

I am all for it. 1st step is for Pak to vacate all their troops completely from POK whilst Indians keep a minimal troop presence in the area.

Above is per the rules for the referendum...

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I am all for it. 1st step is for Pak to vacate all their troops completely from POK whilst Indians keep a minimal troop presence in the area.

Above is per the rules for the referendum...

Under international observers and guarantors they should take this step.

 

[Romali_rotti]

You're opening this thread woth positive mindset but wait for some pakistan posters to find the conspiracy theories.

Naturally a few Pakistanis are crushed that a muslim Kashmiri created this thread as they need this conflict to keep going.

Oh and special mention to the little mouse from Bangladesh that wants to fit it.

 

[Kriketer]

Tides are changing. Seldom when Rajdeep says something, it comes out wrong. I have already said and repeating again, by 2045 every Kashmiri will hate Pakistan like Afghanistan do now. The same Pakistanis will call them Namak Haram then like they do for Afghans now.

Does that mean we will be seeing Indians running away from IOK just like how we saw thousands of those cowards running away in full planes from Afghanistan when Afghan government was coming back to power?

2045 is too long of a shot, you will be kicked out sooner I think based on the terrorism you have been carrying out there for 76 years and seeing how quickly you are sliding down hatred because of Hindutva aatanki mindset spreading like corona virus in India. If you had truly peaceful government, and Kashmirirs moving freely without a million occupying army deployed and torturing, and Indian masses not injected with hatred for Muslim, then sure it would be a possible peaceful resolution for a long term conflict

 

[Romali_rotti]

Under international observers and guarantors they should take this step.

Issue is Pakistan from what I know will never take vacate their troops from POK.

 

[sweep_shot]

BJP government should do these things:

1) Restore Article 370.
2) End military occupation and oppression of Kashmir.
3) Prosecute all military personnel who have done war crimes in Kashmir.
4) Hold a referendum in Kashmir (overseen by UN) as per UN Resolution 47.

 

[Hitman]

BJP government should do these things:

1) Restore Article 370.
2) End military occupation and oppression of Kashmir.
3) Prosecute all military personnel who have done war crimes in Kashmir.
4) Hold a referendum in Kashmir (overseen by UN) as per UN Resolution 47.

Should do them? They would be compelled to do them since Your Highness has suggested so.​

 

[HalBass9]

Indian posters here cannot be the reason for negativity in Kashmir.

Negativity towards Indian posters isn’t equivalent to progress that is being made in Kashmir either, so you can go ahead with that.

Negativity toward Kashmir? Care to elaborate?

Let’s not lose sleep over the equivalent of @Devadwal and @rpant_gabba on the other side, a loud but tiny minority. Pakistanis showed more maturity than half the internet combined, condemning the violence, blaming whoever needed to be blamed (yes, including ourselves and India), and still managing to laugh about it.

Honestly, if turning a potential war into a nationwide roast session isn’t positivity, then I don’t know what is.

 

[HalBass9]

Issue is Pakistan from what I know will never take vacate their troops from POK.

That’s honestly one of the laziest excuses I’ve seen, neither side is just going to roll over. Any real solution would need mutual agreement, backed by international involvement, and a willingness from both parties to act like adults for once.

Until then, it’s just wishful thinking dressed up as analysis.

 

[rpant_gabba]

BJP government should do these things:

1) Restore Article 370.

Article 370 is internal india administraive matter

2) End military occupation and oppression of Kashmir.

Not sure what this means. but then you'll blame india for security lapse when terroristan send more terrorists

3) Prosecute all military personnel who have done war crimes in Kashmir.

There is no war in Kashmir. It is security forces dealing with terrorists

4) Hold a referendum in Kashmir (overseen by UN) as per UN Resolution 47.

 

[JaDed]

Negativity toward Kashmir? Care to elaborate?

Let’s not lose sleep over the equivalent of @Devadwal and @rpant_gabba on the other side, a loud but tiny minority. Pakistanis showed more maturity than half the internet combined, condemning the violence, blaming whoever needed to be blamed (yes, including ourselves and India), and still managing to laugh about it.

Honestly, if turning a potential war into a nationwide roast session isn’t positivity, then I don’t know what is.

I meant on this thread, outside I can tell you there are many fb groups were Pakistanis are being super sexist and belittling many Indians, I’m sure it happens other way too.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Issue is Pakistan from what I know will never take vacate their troops from POK.

Unfortunately you will find only issues with Pakistan. Pakistan will only find issues with India. For every shooting by a group you can find 10 rapes by Indian army, for every killed Muslim you will find a pandit who had to run away due to threat of violence. The situation is tragic and it is very obviously on both sides. If you read some of the human rights reports of crimes of Indian army, it should chill your blood as much as the videos of these innocents being shot.

Unfortunately many started to provide context, or look away, or rationalise crimes because it was their side that commited them. What is the end result? It is that innocent people like @m.shah live a life of fear and of constantly trying to justify their existence. It is that people who hate the Indian occupation have to take arms to resist,of women fearing raped by Indian army or pandits have to run away from their homes. Is all of this inhumanity worth it for a stretch of land?

We need genuine introspection from both sides. It is easy to only blame Pak Army. We saw during the election campaign that Modi often used the Pakistan bogeyman to rally voters. The Indian establishment is equally culpable.

Ideally under international guaruntors we need
1. Referendum in Kashmir
2. Justice for Pandits
3. Justice for victims of Indian state brutality
3. Prosecution of militants
4. Prosecution of crimes committed by the Indian army
5. South Africa style truth and reconciliation committee
6. Ireland style peace process

Yes it may be pie in the sky thinking but as common people from either side we should collectively push for a peaceful solution where human dignity not lines on a map are at the forefront. Life for us won't change if Kashmir goes to either side, life for the majority of Pakistanis and majority of Indians won't change either. We will all wake up in the morning, and literally nothing will have changed if the border shifts - but it will give both countries a way to move forward, whatever the people of Kashmir decide.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Unfortunately you will find only issues with Pakistan. Pakistan will only find issues with India. For every shooting by a group you can find 10 rapes by Indian army, for every killed Muslim you will find a pandit who had to run away due to threat of violence. The situation is tragic and it is very obviously on both sides. If you read some of the human rights reports of crimes of Indian army, it should chill your blood as much as the videos of these innocents being shot.

Unfortunately many started to provide context, or look away, or rationalise crimes because it was their side that commited them. What is the end result? It is that innocent people like @m.shah live a life of fear and of constantly trying to justify their existence. It is that people who hate the Indian occupation have to take arms to resist,of women fearing raped by Indian army or pandits have to run away from their homes. Is all of this inhumanity worth it for a stretch of land?

We need genuine introspection from both sides. It is easy to only blame Pak Army. We saw during the election campaign that Modi often used the Pakistan bogeyman to rally voters. The Indian establishment is equally culpable.

Ideally under international guaruntors we need
1. Referendum in Kashmir
2. Justice for Pandits
3. Justice for victims of Indian state brutality
3. Prosecution of militants
4. Prosecution of crimes committed by the Indian army
5. South Africa style truth and reconciliation committee
6. Ireland style peace process

Yes it may be pie in the sky thinking but as common people from either side we should collectively push for a peaceful solution where human dignity not lines on a map are at the forefront. Life for us won't change if Kashmir goes to either side, life for the majority of Pakistanis and majority of Indians won't change either. We will all wake up in the morning, and literally nothing will have changed if the border shifts - but it will give both countries a way to move forward, whatever the people of Kashmir decide.

Great posts with solid points...

You will feel I am choosing the Indian side here but imo Pakistan military establishment will never allow for a peaceful settlement of Kashmir. If it is resolved, then there is no boogey man India card anymore to spin to Pak citizens, as a result the military won't be able to control the economy/ money or at the very least it will become more difficult to do so without proper justification..

These Pakistani generals have had their hands in the honey jar for decades all of a sudden one day if they have to place their hands into an empty jar, it would not go down well, their luxurious lifestyles, overseas properties, kids education all overseas in top universities etc which they exclusively take from whatever money Pakistan has, will all come to a halt..

Indians for all their mistakes is trying to resurrect their side of Kashmir, me and @m.shah who happens to be a Kashmiri muslim were in a heated argument years ago over Kashmir, now the fact his opinions have changed, he has shown the appreciation for all the development and progress the current Indian government has bought to the area, which was unheard of with previous governments where under my Italian Ammayi Sonya the land was just rotting away...

Things were looking up in Indian Kashmir till this terror incident, it is very sad what is happening to Kashmiri students across India, I hope all this settles down quickly and hopefully there is no conflict and we just move on....

 

[BouncerGuy]

TBH, people from both sides do not want any war. This is just the governments that are doing the dirty work to keep the tensions high.