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The professionally offended are out in force at the moment whining about what two parents have decided to name their child. On social media many have even been wishing ill for the kid. :(


NEW DELHI — Many Indians on Tuesday weighed in when one of Bollywood’s most stylish couples announced they had given birth to a new baby boy.

The baby's name is Taimur Ali Khan Pataudi. “Taimur” is a name many Indians may recognize from their school history textbooks. Taimur the Lame, often known as Timur or Tamerlane, was a brutal Mongol invader who conquered many parts of Persia and central Asia. He called himself the “sword of Islam” and used religious symbols for his conquests.

Taimur slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Indians on his way to capture Delhi in the 14th century. In Indian history, his name is synonymous with massacres.

So when Saif Ali Khan and Kareena Kapoor Khan — who are fondly called “Saifeena” by the gushing Indian media, imitating the term “Brangelina” — announced their son's name, it opened a Pandora’s box. News outlets immediately began dishing out short history lessons about the medieval tyrant, and some on social media attacked the choice.

The couple's defenders pointed out that Taimur means “like iron” in Turkic languages, trying to counter the volley of criticism on Twitter. Much like celebrity kids such as Beyoncé's daughter, Blue Ivy, in the United States, Taimur is already a star on Twitter.

“While their fans wait to get the first glimpse of the prince, one thing is clear — he has already been put in the spotlight, courtesy his unique name,” News18.com reported.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...c-conqueror/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.e45e3d373b8f
 
What's the big deal? They may have liked the meaning of the name or the sound of it, not everybody cares if some dude centuries ago had the same name.
 
Indians are still scared of Timur 1000 years later

that is called striking fear into hearts
 
Absurd.

Let's just make it clear once and for all

No Englisman shall name their child William, No Asian should name their Child Alexander or Sikander, No Indian should name their child Ashoka or Taimur or any of his descendents who drew legitimacy from Taimur, which includes all the Mughals, so Babur, Akbar, Hamayun, Saleem, Aurangzeb and even Zafar are all out. North Africans (which includes Tunisians, Moroccans and Libyans) cant have a Tariq, No Palestinian can be a David or a Joshua, or their arab derivatives like Daud. No Iraqi, Syrian Lebanese or Levantian Arab can be an Umer. And certainly no American should be called Christopher.
 
My boss in the US had a middle name with initial A

Found out it was A for Adolf

He seemed to be a perfectly nice guy
 
It would be like naming your kid Hitler .. which is fine if you think Hitler is a jazzy , vibrant name.
 
A guy I know got a German Shepherd puppy and named it Hitler.

He hoped it would grow up to be as fierce and effective as a watchdog.

Unfortunately, his kids showered so much love on him that Hitler became an extremely friendly and docile dog.

What's in a name anyway?
 
Does anyone know this fascinating story:

In 1942, the body of Timur was exhumed by a few anthropologists. And when they saw the remains a preserved note had been left which said sth like 'Whoever opens the grave will unleash an invader more destruvtive that me.' And a couple of days later Hitler started his invasion of Soviets.
 
Slog said:
Does anyone know this fascinating story:

In 1942, the body of Timur was exhumed by a few anthropologists. And when they saw the remains a preserved note had been left which said sth like 'Whoever opens the grave will unleash an invader more destruvtive that me.' And a couple of days later Hitler started his invasion of Soviets.
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Moreover, his body was re-buried with full Islamic ritual in November 1942, the Russians won the Battle of Stalingrad moments later.
 
To avoid such controversies, India should follow Sweden by having an approved list of names, with new names not on the list requiring prior approval from the relevant government agency before the child could be named as such.
 
Saif and Kareena knew this reaction would come and that's what they want too.
 
On a second thought,saifeena could have been more careful in naming the little one.reaction was as expected honestly.
 
Would all Taimurs of Pakpassion please stand up
 
Whats wrong with this name? Its a common muslim name.. I have lots of friends named timoor.
 
Well people should mind their own business and don't fringe into personal matters of others.

Keep your personal opinion on people's personal life limited to yourself or your home. That's it.


If Taimur was a person as described by WashingtonPost than it won't be unjust to call him a fanatic, extremist and terrorist who disgraced Islam.

The ideology of Islam is not to instirr fear in people, fear of life and convert them to Islam with genuine threats to their life.

" Sword of Islam " is taken up by many extremist and terrorist organisations.


So Indians not liking it is natural and justified if Taimur was such a guy.
 
hussain123 said:
On a second thought,saifeena could have been more careful in naming the little one.reaction was as expected honestly.
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Lol please don't call them as Saifeena. It makes Brangelina look cheap, despite them parting ways.

One is a flop actor, another has had a decent career but nothing like Hemamalini, Sridevi, Madhuri et al..
 
street cricketer said:
He's a mongol as far as my limited knowledge of history goes. Or are there turkish clans in Mongolia/Uzbekistan?
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He wasn't a Mongol because he wasn't a descended of Genghis Khan. However the empire he formed was heavily inspired by the Mongol tradition and culture.
 
The funny thing is why would the conquered native people name their kids the name of the conqueror (who destroyed, raped and pillaged everything he put his hands on)?

This is not just limited to subcontinent people. The entire South and Central America is a shining example of it. Spanish people slaughtered the native South Americans mercilessly and imposed their ways. Now we have the entire South America following the murderers culture and bearing their names.

This will be like Iraqis naming their kids George Bush in a few hundred years from now Or Indians giving their kids the names of British Generals.

Just something I don't understand. Its a democracy. So we should not complain.
 
Muhammad10 said:
Isn't there an Indian politician named Stalin? :13:
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One of my friends name is Lenin. Its not an uncommon name. I know 3 people so far since childhood in my home town whose name is Lenin.

Usually communists and Atheists have those names.

Atheists even the names like Washington, Edison, Einstein etc in India. They name their kids after great politicians and Scientists.
 
Lol I know a Muslim family in Delhi where dad is named changez and sons are Aurangzeb, Babur and Jahangjr
 
troodon said:
The funny thing is why would the conquered native people name their kids the name of the conqueror (who destroyed, raped and pillaged everything he put his hands on)?

This is not just limited to subcontinent people. The entire South and Central America is a shining example of it. Spanish people slaughtered the native South Americans mercilessly and imposed their ways. Now we have the entire South America following the murderers culture and bearing their names.

This will be like Iraqis naming their kids George Bush in a few hundred years from now Or Indians giving their kids the names of British Generals.

Just something I don't understand. Its a democracy. So we should not complain.
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Saif Ali Khan isn't native indian and you don't know thing about anybody's heritage to assume. South Asian Muslims are a diverse group of people. It's like me asking why do some Hindus name their sons "Aryan" when they aren't aryan when in reality I may not know anything about their particular ethnicity or caste.
 
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blue_champion said:
You realize that Timur massacred his way from what today is modern day Pakistan right???
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Refer to my post above. I mentioned this.

The descendants of slaughtered people even name their kids the murderers name. Sikandar/Timur etc.
 
troodon said:
The funny thing is why would the conquered native people name their kids the name of the conqueror (who destroyed, raped and pillaged everything he put his hands on)?

This is not just limited to subcontinent people. The entire South and Central America is a shining example of it. Spanish people slaughtered the native South Americans mercilessly and imposed their ways. Now we have the entire South America following the murderers culture and bearing their names.

This will be like Iraqis naming their kids George Bush in a few hundred years from now Or Indians giving their kids the names of British Generals.

Just something I don't understand. Its a democracy. So we should not complain.
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That's entirely understandable. Your example about Indians not naming their kids after British generals doesn't hold because the Indian culture didn't get replaced by the British culture even at the height of colonisation (although it could be argued we're moving towards a more westernised society now which is a bit ironical). However it's not the same case with the other examples. When the Spanish, the Portuguese, the French and the British invaded Africa and Latin America, they not only colonised them but also ended up replacing their native culture. Christianity spread to these parts via the invaders and replaced whatever native religions were there. Ditto with the islamic invasion of erstwhile India. The hindu/buddhist culture got replaced by islamic culture and hence it's natural.

Nobody cares about what his ancestors were doing 1000 or 2000 years ago. Everyone's idea and perspective about life and the world is shaped by the culture in which he is brought up in. Imagine if someone says that your (or mine for that matter) ancestors followed a pagan religion or buddhism before it got replaced by hinduism in India. Would you suddenly start naming your kids on pagan gods (does paganism have gods?) or buddhist names..It is natural that we will still identify with the hindu culture in which we were brought up in. It's a bit like that. Of course there are a few guys who like to take a superiority complex and say "we ruled you blah blah for so and so years", etc. That's due to insecurity more than anything else. It's as daft as me converting to islam tomorrow and saying "we ruled hindus for 500-1000 years" lol..:narine
 
street cricketer said:
That's entirely understandable. Your example about Indians not naming their kids after British generals doesn't hold because the Indian culture didn't get replaced by the British culture even at the height of colonisation (although it could be argued we're moving towards a more westernised society now which is a bit ironical). However it's not the same case with the other examples. When the Spanish, the Portuguese, the French and the British invaded Africa and Latin America, they not only colonised them but also ended up replacing their native culture. Christianity spread to these parts via the invaders and replaced whatever native religions were there. Ditto with the islamic invasion of erstwhile India. The hindu/buddhist culture got replaced by islamic culture and hence it's natural.

Nobody cares about what his ancestors were doing 1000 or 2000 years ago. Everyone's idea and perspective about life and the world is shaped by the culture in which he is brought up in. Imagine if someone says that your (or mine for that matter) ancestors followed a pagan religion or buddhism before it got replaced by hinduism in India. Would you suddenly start naming your kids on pagan gods (does paganism have gods?) or buddhist names..It is natural that we will still identify with the hindu culture in which we were brought up in. It's a bit like that. Of course there are a few guys who like to take a superiority complex and say "we ruled you blah blah for so and so years", etc. That's due to insecurity more than anything else. It's as daft as me converting to islam tomorrow and saying "we ruled hindus for 500-1000 years" lol..:narine
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I am from Andhra where Buddhism really took over the area for about 500 years before Hinduism replaced it again.
Even now many Hindu house holds have a picture of Buddha. My home also has one even now.

Buddha was not a foreigner. He was not an invader and never killed anyone to spread his ideology. Buddha was the son of the soil. He is an Indian.

I respect Mahavir and Guru Nanak too. Proud of all these great people who tried to reform the evil things in Hinduism.

But naming kids with British Generals names or Timur is bizarre to me.

I am not against naming kids with those names. But it will be strange to me if the kid is named after Timur the murderer. Only Bhagwan knows their intentions.
 
troodon said:
Its not fear :facepalm:

Its about honoring a murderer/rapist/Daku..

Do you seriously think people are afraid of Timur's name?
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Every ruler and warrior is a murderer in some way

Ashoka was one of the greatest pillagers of his time.

And the many Hindu kingdoms which got their behinds handed to them by invaders from the western borders would have done the same (and did) if they had the capability
 
Ah...the good old Ashoka argument....Ashoka became remorseful and became a monk for his deeds which by the way was looking at th casualties of war not innocent women and children.

No one names their kid jesus because he was an awesom carpenter but because of what he became later in life.

Surprisingly Taimur massacred a lot of muslims too probably a lot more than Hindus...any way the point is naming your kid after a bloodthirsty savage who killed people from your own country.

So the name doesn't strike fear in you...no problem let a Pakistani hindu couple name their kid narendra and see what happens :))
Of course didn't use the word celebrity here because let alone main stream celebrity status pretty sure most Hindu couples wouldn't be getting 2 waqt ki roti in Pakistan:(
 
blue_champion said:
Ah...the good old Ashoka argument....Ashoka became remorseful and became a monk for his deeds which by the way was looking at th casualties of war not innocent women and children.

No one names their kid jesus because he was an awesom carpenter but because of what he became later in life.

Surprisingly Taimur massacred a lot of muslims too probably a lot more than Hindus...any way the point is naming your kid after a bloodthirsty savage who killed people from your own country.

So the name doesn't strike fear in you...no problem let a Pakistani hindu couple name their kid narendra and see what happens :))
Of course didn't use the word celebrity here because let alone main stream celebrity status pretty sure most Hindu couples wouldn't be getting 2 waqt ki roti in Pakistan:(
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Taimurlane wasn't the first guy named Taimur, people with his name existed before him too. The name has a good meaning and sounds good, why should it be offlimits for people today to name their son 'Taimur' just cause one guy many centuries ago was a murderer. He wasn't a murderer cause of his name.
 
I find it very ironic when Indians (whether from North, South, East or West) complain about naming on Mongol/Persian/Muslim invaders.


India as a whole was never "India" the various kingdoms that comprised the land mass of present day India were always at odds with each other and constantly murdering/pillaging/raping each others populations. Heck from I know there were four freaking different kingdoms in South India alone.

You can thank the Mughals and eventually the Brits for accumulating the various kingdoms of the "India" into India and you get the big country that you have these days. If it weren't for these invaders India would have comprised of 6-7 sovereign countries.
 
Syed1 said:
I find it very ironic when Indians (whether from North, South, East or West) complain about naming on Mongol/Persian/Muslim invaders.


India as a whole was never "India" the various kingdoms that comprised the land mass of present day India were always at odds with each other and constantly murdering/pillaging/raping each others populations. Heck from I know there were four freaking different kingdoms in South India alone.

You can thank the Mughals and eventually the Brits for accumulating the various kingdoms of the "India" into India and you get the big country that you have these days. If it weren't for these invaders India would have comprised of 6-7 sovereign countries.
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No one cares if people name their kids after Mughal emperors. Problem is when it is named after documented savages or people
Responsible for crimes against humanity.

Sure every king,general etc were responsible for blood shed in some way or the other but Idi Amin,Taimur,Chengiz,Adolf no sane person will name their kids after them
 
troodon said:
I am from Andhra where Buddhism really took over the area for about 500 years before Hinduism replaced it again.
Even now many Hindu house holds have a picture of Buddha. My home also has one even now.

Buddha was not a foreigner. He was not an invader and never killed anyone to spread his ideology. Buddha was the son of the soil. He is an Indian.

I respect Mahavir and Guru Nanak too. Proud of all these great people who tried to reform the evil things in Hinduism.

But naming kids with British Generals names or Timur is bizarre to me.

I am not against naming kids with those names. But it will be strange to me if the kid is named after Timur the murderer. Only Bhagwan knows their intentions.
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See, you may have photos of Buddha in your home. Yet you are still seeing it from a hindu perspective. What you're failing to see is that they see it from an islamic perspective, there are no 2 parties here. There is no concept of an "outsider" here.

There are a lot of British Indians in the UK (born and raised there). The topic of colonialism has always been a difficult one for everyone and particularly them, yet when it arises, you'll see a lot of them discussing it from a British perspective rather than an Indian perspective. I've seen a many of them arguing about the positives of British colonialism on Indian history. Not everyone talks from an Indian perspective because they were brought up in the british culture and so they see it from a British perspective. It's a bit like that.
 
I've seen some Indians named Stalin, Napoleon, ... who are directly or indirectly responsible of millions of deaths too. I doubt that these Bollywood name their baby in the honour of Tamerlan who, by the way, when he conquered India, mainly fought Islamic powers (with probably dominant Hindu civilians, but it was not as "communal" as it might seem.) It's again non issue hypertrophied by netizens.

blue_champion said:
Of course didn't use the word celebrity here because let alone main stream celebrity status pretty sure most Hindu couples wouldn't be getting 2 waqt ki roti in Pakistan:(
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In Pak it depends on the caste, middle class Sindhi Hindu get more than do waqt ki roti. But you should also use your hyperbolic compassion for the nearly 200 millions of Indian (Hindu) Dalits (literally more than whole of Pak) who suffer on daily basis because of their caste, through economic pressure, rape, etc I'm not sure the Taimur name is their primordial problem.
 
blue_champion said:
Of course didn't use the word celebrity here because let alone main stream celebrity status pretty sure most Hindu couples wouldn't be getting 2 waqt ki roti in Pakistan:(
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That is a very misinformed opinion. Obviously there are poor Hindus, just like Muslims, in Pakistan. However, some of the richest people in Pakistan are also the large landowners in Sindh who happen to be of the Hindu faith.


I had one such "waderay ka beta" in my school and believe it or not he had a protocol of five cars that dropped him off at the school and came to pick him up. He was a Hindu and openly supported India during cricket matches but was very Pakistani otherwise. We all found him to be very weird.
 
In an another example, you see a lot of hindu sounding names among Thai people. Sure the Pallavas weren't all Hitlers, but they did pillage too. That doesn't deter the people living there from naming their kids by hindu/buddhist sounding names.
 
Syed1 said:
That is a very misinformed opinion. Obviously there are poor Hindus, just like Muslims, in Pakistan. However, some of the richest people in Pakistan are also the large landowners in Sindh who happen to be of the Hindu faith.


I had one such "waderay ka beta" in my school and believe it or not he had a protocol of five cars that dropped him off at the school and came to pick him up. He was a Hindu and openly supported India during cricket matches but was very Pakistani otherwise. We all found him to be very weird.
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Nothing weird about it. There are quite a few muslim youngsters in India who support Pakistan in cricket but may otherwise identify as Indian in other matters.
 
Pakistanian said:
Taimurlane wasn't the first guy named Taimur, people with his name existed before him too. The name has a good meaning and sounds good, why should it be offlimits for people today to name their son 'Taimur' just cause one guy many centuries ago was a murderer. He wasn't a murderer cause of his name.
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The only Timur that people know in India is that Murderer. Saif and Kareena named their kid after that murderer. Not Timur the Janitor or Shoemaker. :ma

Saif and Kareena knew this reaction would come. Pretty sure they are enjoying the limelight.
 
I loved name Nawab 'Mansoor' Ali Khan Pataudi, Saif is meh and Taimur is also uninspiring.

My favorite name is Liaquat.
 
It was actually the Pakistani-Canadian Tarek Fatah who started this witch hunt on social media.
 
Muslims name their kids based on the names meaning and not on the personality of someone with the same name. Indians getting upset at this should also know Saif Ali Khan's blood uncle (dad's brother) is a major general for Pakistan Army...Asfandyar Pataudi..he at one point was being tipped to become the ISI chief.

Clearly, Saif Ali is running a Pakistani agenda...he first bagged the granddaughter of Bollywoods biggest dynasty and then had her name her child after someone who killed Indians. This kid will grow up to become a RAW agent with a hidden agenda to destroy it from within. Kinda like Angelina Jolie in the Movie 'Salt' but this kid will not have a change of heart like she did and will succeed in his mission.
 
Find it strange how some people are defending criticism of the couple naming their child Timur. The important point is not that they named the child after a brutal medieval conqueror but how much attention this had received in India.

There must be hundreds of people named Timur in India, thousands named Qasim and millions named Muhammad. But nobody before would have made the connection with Muhammad bin Qasim or even cared about it. Just like nobody cared that the name Saif literally means sword and the full name is often Saifullah or sword of God. Even the name Mansoor is of Arab origin, means the 'victorious one' and was the name of a caliph. It was traditional for royal families in India to have names with military or religious conotations.

All it shows is the rising level of intolerance and at least from an outsiders perspective the effect of Modi coming into power. It is true that social media doesn't represent a country but it is a useful indicator of how the people are divided on certain issues.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Well people should mind their own business and don't fringe into personal matters of others.

Keep your personal opinion on people's personal life limited to yourself or your home. That's it.


If Taimur was a person as described by WashingtonPost than it won't be unjust to call him a fanatic, extremist and terrorist who disgraced Islam.

The ideology of Islam is not to instirr fear in people, fear of life and convert them to Islam with genuine threats to their life.

" Sword of Islam " is taken up by many extremist and terrorist organisations.


So Indians not liking it is natural and justified if Taimur was such a guy.
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"Sword of Islam" isn't all bad. After all it was the nickname of Khalid bin al Waleed (ra). Saifullah in Arabic. Like Saifullah Bangash. :D
 
#Taimur makes perfect sense.

Given that it means iron, that family now has a Loha Ali Khan and a Soha Ali Khan.
 
blue_champion said:
Ah...the good old Ashoka argument....Ashoka became remorseful and became a monk for his deeds which by the way was looking at th casualties of war not innocent women and children.

No one names their kid jesus because he was an awesom carpenter but because of what he became later in life.

Surprisingly Taimur massacred a lot of muslims too probably a lot more than Hindus...any way the point is naming your kid after a bloodthirsty savage who killed people from your own country.

So the name doesn't strike fear in you...no problem let a Pakistani hindu couple name their kid narendra and see what happens :))
Of course didn't use the word celebrity here because let alone main stream celebrity status pretty sure most Hindu couples wouldn't be getting 2 waqt ki roti in Pakistan:(
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What good old Ashoka argument lol!

Literally that's the first time I've used it or seen it being used. Dunno in which circles is it some regular discussion point :))

Anyways I could have used a whole variety of Hindu names of Hindu rulers who massacred people if I was bothered to do a Google search for this.

Finally. This is kinda hilarious but I know 2 people named narendra in Karachi. Lol at fear :))) like literally you think this would be an issue
 
Pakistanian said:
Taimurlane wasn't the first guy named Taimur, people with his name existed before him too. The name has a good meaning and sounds good, why should it be offlimits for people today to name their son 'Taimur' just cause one guy many centuries ago was a murderer. He wasn't a murderer cause of his name.
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There's nothing wrong with the great taimur either. Sure looking at it from lens of today he caused death and destruction but all great military leaders remembered in history did that

He was just a product of his time.

Any other powerful ruler would have done the same

Lol what do people think Alexander did when he conquered so many regions. Give garlands of roses to the residents and a feast to the existing ruler before taking over their land :)))
 
Funny anecdote:


We had a friend named Taimur in uni. He hailed from Lahore and was a very fun lad (has done very well for himself since graduation as well). Now poor ol' Taimur had a Bengali gf who pronounced his name as "Ta-yi-ee-mooor". We always used to tease him about it by calling him that way and he absolutely hated it. I think our group of friends was a big part in his break-up.


:yk
 
They should have gone with grandfather's name Mansoor Ali Khan, majestic and would have earned cheers from all cricket lovers. Poor kid now has to live with bullying all his life. Right or wrong its going to affect the child. Not sure why celebrities opt for such ridiculous measures to stay relevant. Apaprently Saif is a so-called history buff, should have seen this coming.
 
Screopho said:
They should have gone with grandfather's name Mansoor Ali Khan, majestic and would have earned cheers from all cricket lovers. Poor kid now has to live with bullying all his life. Right or wrong its going to affect the child. Not sure why celebrities opt for such ridiculous measures to stay relevant. Apaprently Saif is a so-called history buff, should have seen this coming.
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No one is going to be bullying the kid

Everyone will be looking to suck up to him lol considering his family's status
 
Rayyman said:
"Sword of Islam" isn't all bad. After all it was the nickname of Khalid bin al Waleed (ra). Saifullah in Arabic. Like Saifullah Bangash. :D
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Sword of Islam is not bad at all.

I love Hazrat Khalid Bin Waleed RA. Great companion. Great soldier.


But He RA and other Sahaba fought wars in defence. While later Sword was misused on name of religion. As allegedly Washingtonpost points out to Taimur's acts which were totally un-Islamic (if he did use sword in that way)
 
Bhai, Tamerlane the Mongol warrior was not the first person who has the name Taimur. This name has been used before Tamerlane and will continue be used after him. Its a nice name. Jeez.
 
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Slog said:
What good old Ashoka argument lol!

Literally that's the first time I've used it or seen it being used. Dunno in which circles is it some regular discussion point :))

Anyways I could have used a whole variety of Hindu names of Hindu rulers who massacred people if I was bothered to do a Google search for this.

Finally. This is kinda hilarious but I know 2 people named narendra in Karachi. Lol at fear :))) like literally you think this would be an issue
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Pretty much everyone on social media has used this,but don't know if you have access to that....As I believe CHina have their own twitter and google :))

What a coincidence that it so happens you "know" 2 Narendras from Karachi just as a counter to my argument lol....this is equivalent of the Rain that helped Pak sneak into the Semis in 1992 :)

Fear Daaleri etc is not a word I throw around just like that.

Simple wikipedia search will help...Timur was not a ruler,yes he was a conqueror who ransacked cities right from persia all the way up to India...Persia being the key word here.

There were plenty of kings,generals etc who massacred people true but Timur is in a league of his own...He was a Bradman before Adolf became the "Sachin" in that area :))) with likes of Idi Amin being the Lara etc etc.

Here is a guy who said that even if his tomb is opened,more evil will be unleashed on the world-This is the gem we are talking about here hehehe
 
Slog said:
No one is going to be bullying the kid

Everyone will be looking to suck up to him lol considering his family's status
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That kid will never go to public schools where there is a chance of getting bullied for his name. He is going to study in US/UK/France or some Western country. That is what most Bollywood star kids do.
 
Slog said:
There's nothing wrong with the great taimur either. Sure looking at it from lens of today he caused death and destruction but all great military leaders remembered in history did that

He was just a product of his time.

Any other powerful ruler would have done the same

Lol what do people think Alexander did when he conquered so many regions. Give garlands of roses to the residents and a feast to the existing ruler before taking over their land :)))
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Unwritten rule of war even today is that civilians will be left out of it...yeah sure people cross that line all the time,but still it is the basic ethics of being a soldier.

There is a reason Ghazini,Ghori,TImur etc have a special place in history,they were more bandits and destroyers than actual rulers who had strategy to expand.

Most Mughal Emperors or Kings of that time,wanted to expand their territory and political power,there motto wasn't death and destruction...I am stunned you cannot see the difference.

Russia annexing crimea is expansion,Russia Ethnically cleansing all Crimea civilians and looting the wealthy and raping women is in a different category....how can you not see the basic difference lol.
 
India should ban tarek Fatah all this guy does is polarize people, guy is always on the case of Indian Muslims.
 
Slog said:
Lol I know a Muslim family in Delhi where dad is named changez and sons are Aurangzeb, Babur and Jahangjr
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We had family friends, a Mr and Mrs Barlas (Barlas is the name of the original Mughal clan) whose sons were Babar, Akbar, Jehangir and Humayun. People would joke that they shouldn't have stopped until they had Shahjahan and Aurangzeb too. Later, when Babar got married, his sons were named... Shahjahan and Aurangzeb. I imagine the grandparents insisted on it, just so they could hear the end of it.

Similarly, there was a family in the neighborhood whose sons were Muhammad Ali, Ali Hasan, Ali Hussain, Ali Zain-ul-Abidin, and Ali Baqir. Only the first one went by Ali, the four other Ali's were the called by their second names. Like the Barlas family, the questions about why they didn't have twelve sons never stopped.
 
Parents can call there child whatever they want. There are many Mughal's considered as being invaders by Indian people so why only attack the name Taimur? As usual the Indian's like making a fuss out of every little thing, get over it!
 
They shoukd have another kid and name him Aurengzeb. That will show these people, never give up to keyboarded warriors.
 
I think people on this board or I should say friends from Pakistan needs to realize that...most of the decent and normal people will stay away from naming anyone after someone who was against humanity or have some really dark past.

But I guess you are so blind seeing non-muslims ( specially Hindus) get worked up that you have become ignorant that unintentionally they all are praising all the brutal and inhuman personalities of past...you know what you think what you become or get...

I am just shocked that Pakistani muslims are proud of all the invaders who killed and burnt their ancestors...it's almost like seek mentality...I understand that you don't have any prominent personality from Pakistan in last 70 years or no one in current time that you can look upon...but you will find this place always empty, unless you change your thinking...stop making some barbaric, inhuman and killers of your ancestors as a HERO...they were not and they can never be your HERO....

I am sure lot of people will disagree because you can't change someones thinking which fed through generations.... I am hopeful that one day will come when Pakistanis will realize and proud of their own mother land and believe in themselves rather than worshiping some invaders....
 
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