Bouncer and yorkers being underutilised costs us again

[GLORY OF '92]

Same old story. Keep bowling length or slower ball length.

We will never learn.

 

[Major]

and same old threads.

Yorkers are not that easy to bowl.. They can go off as full tosses and be hit for sixes. Plus these arnt old balls anymore.

As for boncers, we saw a few bouncers bowled.

 

[topspin]

Kohli was charging down the track to negate any idea of bowling yorkers at him. Even if the bowlers tried it, it would've been a high risk strategy with the form that Kohli is in.

I don't rate slower balls on fast Australian wickets (like the one we saw today) unless it's really well disguised.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Kohli was charging down the track to negate any idea of bowling yorkers at him. Even if the bowlers tried it, it would've been a high risk strategy with the form that Kohli is in.

I don't rate slower balls on fast Australian wickets (like the one we saw today) unless it's really well disguised.

Rauf was fooling Pandya with his slower balls. Kohli played an impossible shot.

You think anyone else could have pulled off that shot?

 

[topspin]

Rauf was fooling Pandya with his slower balls. Kohli played an impossible shot.

You think anyone else could have pulled off that shot?

I completely agree with you. I don't think anyone could've manufactured that shot as I mentioned on other threads earlier today. It was an ATG player at his very best. He's the reason why Pakistan lost today.

I don't agree that Rauf was troubling Pandya with slower balls. It was actually the opposite. Rauf was hitting the wicket hard and Pandya couldn't get bat on ball.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I completely agree with you. I don't think anyone could've manufactured that shot as I mentioned on other threads earlier today. It was an ATG player at his very best. He's the reason why Pakistan lost today.

I don't agree that Rauf was troubling Pandya with slower balls. It was actually the opposite. Rauf was hitting the wicket hard and Pandya couldn't get bat on ball.

Rauf was bowling quick back of length balls and then mixing a slower. Pandya could not put bat to ball. And Pandya is no hack.

In T20s, Rauf is better than SSA.

 

[Major]

Rauf was bowling quick back of length balls and then mixing a slower. Pandya could not put bat to ball. And Pandya is no hack.

In T20s, Rauf is better than SSA.

In Australia T20 Rauf is better.

SSA is still better if he is fully fit and with the new ball. WHat he offers with the new ball, rauf cant do that

 

[Suleiman]

As I said in another thread. Rauf is becoming over reliant on the slower balls, and Kohli made him pay.

He’s forgetting what makes him lethal. His pace and the ability mix up good bouncers with solid Yorkers.

We needed him to close out the 19th over but he didn’t live up to it. We all know Nawaz was gonna get carted (not as badly as he did, but still)

 

[topspin]

Rauf was bowling quick back of length balls and then mixing a slower. Pandya could not put bat to ball. And Pandya is no hack.

In T20s, Rauf is better than SSA.

That's a difficult comparison to make because they have a different skill set.

SSA is exceptional with the new ball and does a good job in the middle overs. Not the best in the back end of an innings though.

Haris Rauf is more of a death over specialist. He also bowls well in the middle overs.

Overall, I'd take Shaheen because he can set up the game with those wickets against the top 3.

He won the game for Pakistan in the T20 WC last year bowling in the PP.

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

When you have that much pace on that wicket you don’t bowl so many slow balls…Kohli was waiting…back of length or low full toss yorker was the need

 

[Savak]

Kohli was charging down the track to negate any idea of bowling yorkers at him. Even if the bowlers tried it, it would've been a high risk strategy with the form that Kohli is in.

I don't rate slower balls on fast Australian wickets (like the one we saw today) unless it's really well disguised.

Kohli adopted this strategy in the T-20 WC match in 2021, in the Asia Cup T-20 match and today. He slowly walks down the wicket while the bowler is in the final stages of his run up to put them off. Surely someone in the Pakistani team think tank would have picked up on this and directed them to bowl fast bouncers or to bowl a full paced wide off the stump yorker to negate this.

 

[Savak]

As I said in another thread. Rauf is becoming over reliant on the slower balls, and Kohli made him pay.

He’s forgetting what makes him lethal. His pace and the ability mix up good bouncers with solid Yorkers.

We needed him to close out the 19th over but he didn’t live up to it. We all know Nawaz was gonna get carted (not as badly as he did, but still)

Kohli is a very competitive individual who hates losing. Rauf troubled Kohli with his slower balls in Dubai but Kohli remembers these experiences and makes sure he is not only prepared for the next battle but he also has a plan on how to attack Rauf's slower deliveries whereas Rauf complacently thought he would trouble Kohli with his slower changes of pace. Great players learn from their experiences and don't make the same mistakes twice.

 

[Suleiman]

Kohli is a very competitive individual who hates losing. Rauf troubled Kohli with his slower balls in Dubai but Kohli remembers these experiences and makes sure he is not only prepared for the next battle but he also has a plan on how to attack Rauf's slower deliveries whereas Rauf complacently thought he would trouble Kohli with his slower changes of pace. Great players learn from their experiences and don't make the same mistakes twice.

Agreed. But Haris let the pressure of the occasion get to him as well. He will grow from this just as he has improved incredibly over the last year.

As I said, this change of pace stuff may be able to dupe NZ sloggers here and there, but against someone like a Kohli you have to back your strengths and use the conditions. He’s in Australia of all places with a pitch ripe with bounce, and he is bowling to Kohli like he is on the desolate graveyard pitches of UAE.

He got his wickets through pace, gave SKY an absolute snorter- again, he just got nervous and bought into Kohli’s aura as a chaser.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

In Aus, you mostly bowl hard lengths at max pace and then mix it up bouncers and yorkers, and an occasional slower or full-length bowl, if you can consistently bowl at 140k+ (which our all pacers can) you are very hard to score off, but sadly Babar and our think tank believe in something else. I don't know what Shaun Tait is telling our bowlers he is supposed to know about hard lengths more than anybody else in the team management.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

No one tried for either Yorkers or bouncers.
The tailenders are comfortable blocking the full-length deliveries and taking singles easily.

 

[hassan918]

Mohammad Wasim Jr. inclusion in the team has made a difference. He bowls really god yorkers and we have seen this in the last couple of match. Today, he made a different of 15-20 runs with his death bowling. I hope Haris can also learn from this and we see him bowling more yorkers in the upcoming matches.