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Bowling isn't the issue, it is still the batting

JibranAnsari

JibranAnsari

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Yah we got thrashed by indians in the last 5 overs but before starting the innings everyone was expecting a score of 320 - 330 and this score is norm these days in the age of phattas. In every match played in this tournament a score of 300 has been scored.Yah indians should not have gone past 300 today but we should always be expecting to post or chase a total of 300. 3 batsmen in pakistan top 4 become redundant when we have to post or chase a total of 300 and yet they keep coming back in the top 4.

Ahmed shehzad was kicked out of the team because of his form and discipline but he made it back.
Azhar was dropped because he was incompatible for odi cricket but he was brought back to tackle seam and swing on english phattas.
Hafeez was ousted after his poor performance in england last year but mysteriously made his way back without performing in any domestic tournament or first class matches.

These three are the main reason pakistan will never be able to compete against modern teams. Do not just play these players because they have experience , they add no value to our ODI team. Why not give chances to guys like sahibzada farhan now? Are the youngsters Hassan Ali , shadab khan and Mohammad abbas not showing that they belong at this level? Whats stopping the other youngsters to replace these outdated players.
 
I agree, the bowling was very good (except riaz) and even Imad did his job quite well.

Unfortunate, that Hassan lost the plot in the end, Amir got injured and Imad had to bowl the last over.
 
Everything is a mess and below par compared to the rest of the teams around the world.
 
No offence but bowling wasn't that good either.. You are lucky Rohit was trying to find his form and Kohli also was trying to get back in form otherwise the score would have been over 350..

Batting ofcourse was dismal
 
Not sure why people are acting surprised(not directed at you OP). You've gotta be an idiot to not have realized the difference in quality before the match. Azhar, Shehzad and Hafeez are club level ODI batsmen.
 
big_gamer007 said:
No offence but bowling wasn't that good either.. You are lucky Rohit was trying to find his form and Kohli also was trying to get back in form otherwise the score would have been over 350..

Batting ofcourse was dismal
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I didnt say that bowling was perfect but teams these days arent much worried if they have to chase 300 plus scores but with our batting , bar any miracle we cant even score 300.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Not sure why people are acting surprised. You've gotta be an idiot to not have realized the difference in quality before the match. Azhar, Shehzad and Hafeez are club level ODI batsmen.
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We arent surprised , we are just raising our voice again and again. This forum is widely followed and read and i am sure we make some difference.
 
Indians only scored these many in 48 overs because until quite late, they were preserving wickets to get a D/L advantage. Conditions were such that it could rain any second.

Had it not been the case, Indians would have taken risks much earlier and utilized their batting depth much more effectively. Pakistani bowlers actually bowled far worse than what the scoreboard suggest.
 
Bowling was not that great. Granted pitch didn't offer them much. But Pakistan always had one bowler who teams would be worried about like Ajmal This is a steady bowling line up. Not a threatening one. If teams put down their foot and start attacking they can go helter skelter. Didn't BD score like 340 in the warm up? Afridi was a threatening force atleast against other teams if not India. Now that he is not there, Pakistan may struggle against SA and SL as well.
 
No, absolutely not. We need to start accepting that our bowling is mediocre, if not entirely pathetic. Only Aamir & Hassan can be termed as acceptable. That makes just 20 overs.

It'd be logical fallacy to think that as 320 was a par score on this pitch, we hadn't done very bad. In fact, had Rohit played the way Guptill or Amla or Hales play, 360 would have been reached easily. Indian openers batted poorly. We didn't have anything to do with it.
 
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LordEddardStark said:
No, absolutely not. We need to start accepting that our bowling is mediocre, if not entirely pathetic. Only Aamir & Hassan can be termed as acceptable. That make just 20 overs.

It'd be logical fallacy to think that as 320 was a par score on this pitch, we'd done very bad. In fact, had Rohit played the way Guptill or Amla or Hales play, 360 would have been reached easily. Indian openers batted poorly. We didn't have anything to do with it.
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It is mediocre but teams are expected to give away 300 runs , but our batting makes our bowling looks worse than it actually is.
 
All aspects to Pakistan's one day cricket are a mess, but I agree with the opening post that their batting is more so an issue than their bowling.
 
Bowling was avg Batting was really bad. In earlier era's our bowling was exceptional and we won or loss on how batting turned up

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Abdullah719 said:
And pretty much everyone saw it coming.

The batting order is a sad joke.
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The batting it seems has got worse over the last year, but the bowling has improved only by a fraction in that Pakistan are getting smashed for 320 rather than 400 that they were by England last summer.
 
Haroon786 said:
The batting it seems has got worse over the last year, but the bowling has improved only by a fraction in that Pakistan are getting smashed for 320 rather than 400 that they were by England last summer.
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320 in 48 mind.
 
Agree with you,bowling looked good till the last 8-10 overs but then we dropped Yuvraj and Kohli and they punished us.At one stage I thought we might have to chase 280 which could have given us a slight chance but then injuries came and things went haywire.Batting was disastrous,only Malik looked to be out there with an intent.
 
I wouldn't say bowling isn't the issue. We could hardly take any wickets. I know a couple of catches were dropped but basically we were waiting for the batsmen to mistime their shots to be able to get them out rather than relying on our bowlers hitting the stumps or getting an edge.

The bowling was below par. Wahab and Imad were absolutely horrid but overall as well the bowling was below par.

The batting was obviously worse than our bowling. Too many passengers in the team who don't contribute anything. It would be okay to keep them if they had potential or were seen to be improving but the likes of Hafeez and Shehzad really need to go.
 
Bowling was an issue.

Anytime you have a bowling team conceding 70 runs off last 4 overs and then say bowling isn't an issue has no clue.

And then India being 213-2 in 40 overs and saying we were in the game.

Sure Sarfi, you were in the game because India hadn't attacked yet.
 
Ok let me rephrase it , bowling is less of an issue in current era. Rr of 6 is a bare minimum these days , if you have to chase a target of 320 you shouldnt be much worried about it. Most teams will give away 300 runs but their batting will still fancy their chances.
 
Couch Cricketer said:
Bowling was avg Batting was really bad. In earlier era's our bowling was exceptional and we won or loss on how batting turned up

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Exactly my friend.


3 wickets taken, 72 of last 4 overs (Epic phainta)


And Bowling isn't an issue Lolz :)
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Bowling was an issue.

Anytime you have a bowling team conceding 70 runs off last 4 overs and then say bowling isn't an issue has no clue.

And then India being 213-2 in 40 overs and saying we were in the game.

Sure Sarfi, you were in the game because India hadn't attacked yet.
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Again Sane post.


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Pakistani batting does not look like they can score more than 250
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Exactly my friend.


3 wickets taken, 72 of last 4 overs (Epic phainta)


And Bowling isn't an issue Lolz :)
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Yah bowling not as big issue as our batting , we were ready to give away 330 at the start of the match and we ended up scoring only half of them.

We should always expect to concede 300 plus these days but what about batting?
 
Pathetic batting and poor bowling alongside rank fielding. This is as bad as it gets. Pakistan is sliding down to it lowest standards. This is the death of Pakistani cricket and an ongoing decline that could lead to Pakistan flirting with associate cricket.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Yah bowling not as big issue as our batting , we were ready to give away 330 at the start of the match and we ended up scoring only half of them.

We should always expect to concede 300 plus these days but what about batting?
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Jibran bhaee I respect your opinion.


Yes Batting is and was a hugggggeeeee issue. It's True.

We were pathetic with the Bat. It's True


But if we conceded 72 in last 4 overs against Aus, SA, NZ, Eng & Ind than no matter what the score is we eill lose 97 % of those games because


1. Momentum will be with opponents

2. Our batting 2 weak.



Taking only 3 wickets in 50 overs is a huge issue. You will win games mostly if you get the opposing team atleast 6-7 wickets when you bowl first. You slow down run rate by taking wickets otherwise you get thrashed.


We were ribbish in all 3 departments yesterday hence we lost by a huge margin.
 
The Yorker said:
Pathetic batting and poor bowling alongside rank fielding. This is as bad as it gets. Pakistan is sliding down to it lowest standards. This is the death of Pakistani cricket and an ongoing decline that could lead to Pakistan flirting with associate cricket.
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Precisely Well Said.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Jibran bhaee I respect your opinion.


Yes Batting is and was a hugggggeeeee issue. It's True.

We were pathetic with the Bat. It's True


But if we conceded 72 in last 4 overs against Aus, SA, NZ, Eng & Ind than no matter what the score is we eill lose 97 % of those games because


1. Momentum will be with opponents

2. Our batting 2 weak.



Taking only 3 wickets in 50 overs is a huge issue. You will win games mostly if you get the opposing team atleast 6-7 wickets when you bowl first. You slow down run rate by taking wickets otherwise you get thrashed.


We were ribbish in all 3 departments yesterday hence we lost by a huge margin.
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Bowling will not do this every match if we cut out wahab riaz but for batting we do not have ant solutions. I am pretty sure if amir was not unfit yesterday we could have kept them around 290- 300. A spinner bowling last over never a goid idea unless you are maxwell against pakistan. We should expect to concede 300 but the major issue still is batting and has been for a long time. Three of the top 4 arr outdated players and i cringe when people said yesterday that azhar played well.
 
Yes batting is the main problem. It's not like bowling set a target of 400 or something. Give this target to teams like Australia, India, England, etc and they will chase it 8 out of 10 times.
 
We lack potency with the ball. Rohit and Dhawan batted for 25 overs in overcast conditions, but we didn't look remotely close to finding a breakthrough, until the fluke wicket of Dhawan.

One fluke wicket, one run out and one batsman getting out because of slogging in 48 overs under overcast conditions. The two dropped catches were on attempted slogs as well.

Hence, we cannot say that bowling isn't a major issue. It doesn't always work but wickets often dampen the run rate, since not everyone is in good batting form.
 
Mamoon said:
We lack potency with the ball. Rohit and Dhawan batted for 25 overs in overcast conditions, but we didn't look remotely close to finding a breakthrough, until the fluke wicket of Dhawan.

One fluke wicket, one run out and one batsman getting out because of slogging in 48 overs under overcast conditions. The two dropped catches were on attempted slogs as well.

Hence, we cannot say that bowling isn't a major issue. It doesn't always work but wickets often dampen the run rate, since not everyone is in good batting form.
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Tbh even Starc didn't take a single wicket in this tournament uptil now so the problem is in batting and not bowling
 
HinderTheJinder said:
Tbh even Starc didn't take a single wicket in this tournament uptil now so the problem is in batting and not bowling
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Yes, but look at what Starc has done overall. It's not about this tournament only, we have generally lacked potency for a while now. The likes of Amir and Junaid have zero five wicket hauls in ODIs, and Wahab doesn't have one since 2011. Hasan seems the most potent pacer at the moment.
 
We have issues with every department hence we are ranked so low
 
Batting needs to be positive and we need to score runs as quickly as possible early on.

Cant bat like snails and allow england bowlers to build pressure.
 
We need to play well in the PP. 1st 10 overs will set the tone . No doubt Fakhar will get short balls .
 
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