Brexit: the UK has left the European Union

[Technics 1210]

UK PM has given EU 38 days to negotiate a deal, or UK walks away.

For those of you who do not understand how negotiations work, you must be prepared to walk away; not succumb to the Nazi organisation that is the EU.

The EU/EZ economy is in the pits, and this before Brexit, before C19. Yes lets put our faith in a failed Nazi organisation that cannot help it's own. Very sound logic.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

What happens when UK walks away without a deal?

 

[Technics 1210]

Life will go on; society will learn to adapt.

Scaremongering just won't work anymore; C19 pandemic is evidence of this.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

I’ve no skin in the game mate. I’m just trying to understand it from a practical point of view.

 

[Varun]

UK PM has given EU 38 days to negotiate a deal, or UK walks away.

For those of you who do not understand how negotiations work, you must be prepared to walk away; not succumb to the Nazi organisation that is the EU.

The EU/EZ economy is in the pits, and this before Brexit, before C19. Yes lets put our faith in a failed Nazi organisation that cannot help it's own. Very sound logic.

How is this still carrying on?

If anything is in the pits, it's this entire failed Brexit cuckadoo.

 

[Technics 1210]

It depends who you ask.

Those who voted to Remain, are still trying their level best to somehow overturn the result of the largest democratic exercise in the UK, the EU referendum (in 2016). Plenty of scaremongering from the losers of the vote! And thus far not one of their scare stories has materialised.

Those who voted for Brexit are positive and looking forward to a new future. Had enough of the EU and their Nazi laws, for example, laws which prevented the UK from trading freely with the rest of the world without quotas. The world has moved on but no, remainers want to put all their eggs in one basket, the EU single market.

How did we get here? People started raising their concerns after 2008 crash, austerity hit hard, no one was listening, and the left, in true fashion, ignored the voices of the many - it got to a boiling point - and hey presto - the UK is out.

Now the left label Brexiteers racists, have created a polarised political landscape (the left have ensured there is no such thing as a centrist position anymore, either left or right).

The Remainers also refuse to accept a democratic result while taking pride in UK's democracy when boasting about the UK to others.

Liberalism has destroyed the UK. I have seen it, and experienced it, with my own eyes; I am born and bred in London for nearly 50 years - and I can tell you life before the EU, was magical.

 

[Technics 1210]

[MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION]. Put Brexit aside, take a look at the state of the EU/EZ economy. It's been in the dolldrums, long before the EU ref. Greece, Spain, Italy etc - all toast.

The reason it has taken the UK this long (almost 4 years) is because the - lefty looney loser liberals - couldn't accept their loss, and tried everything possible to delay and overturn the referendum result.

The EU were kicking the can down the road when May was PM. Another Election, Tories won with an overwhelming majority, which meant passing bills in the HoC is now a breeze. Again the left failed to realise that the people voted for Brexit, again, at the GE.

 

[IMMY69]

[MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION]. Put Brexit aside, take a look at the state of the EU/EZ economy. It's been in the dolldrums, long before the EU ref. Greece, Spain, Italy etc - all toast.

The reason it has taken the UK this long (almost 4 years) is because the - lefty looney loser liberals - couldn't accept their loss, and tried everything possible to delay and overturn the referendum result.

The EU were kicking the can down the road when May was PM. Another Election, Tories won with an overwhelming majority, which meant passing bills in the HoC is now a breeze. Again the left failed to realise that the people voted for Brexit, again, at the GE.

You’re slightly wrong in that a true “looney” leftist as you call them would actually favour leaving the EU so they can implement their policies of nationalising everything which they can’t do whilst being in the EU.

It is the middle ground liberals that are pro EU...

This why Labour were destroyed in the elections because they had a brexit leader who had to keep quiet as they were desperate to win the elections but failed to read the mood of the country.

 

[Robert]

What happens when UK walks away without a deal?

It will immediately become more expensive to import and export to the 45% of our market which is the EU27, and about 20% more made up of countries the EU has free trade deals with. This will mean that some British businesses will fail, and more will lay off staff.

Just-in-time supply chains will slow down as parts from the EU are stopped at the docks and have to go through Customs checks. So it will take more time to build things. This will be an additional handicap to British manufacturers. It will take more time to get German and French cars fixed and cost more to do so.

People will get laid off, houses will be repossessed and more and more will have to rely on charity at least in the short of medium term.

UK will gradually become less influential in the world. Our voice was amplified by being a leader of a bloc which has 18% of the world economy but that voice will now be ignored more and more. We were the Atlantic Bridge between EU and USA but that bridge has been cut too.

China and India will grow their economies while ours will shrink and we will gradually recede as an important power.

In order to preserve peace in Northern Ireland, UK will have to consider the province in effect part of the customs union, so there will be a barrier even within the UK.

Scotland will leave the Union and rejoin the EU. Ireland will eventually reunify
and Ulster regain its EU membership. England and Wales will become a low-tax, low-services, low-rights, low pay country.

 

[IMMY69]

It depends who you ask.

Those who voted to Remain, are still trying their level best to somehow overturn the result of the largest democratic exercise in the UK, the EU referendum (in 2016). Plenty of scaremongering from the losers of the vote! And thus far not one of their scare stories has materialised.

Those who voted for Brexit are positive and looking forward to a new future. Had enough of the EU and their Nazi laws, for example, laws which prevented the UK from trading freely with the rest of the world without quotas. The world has moved on but no, remainers want to put all their eggs in one basket, the EU single market.

How did we get here? People started raising their concerns after 2008 crash, austerity hit hard, no one was listening, and the left, in true fashion, ignored the voices of the many - it got to a boiling point - and hey presto - the UK is out.

Now the left label Brexiteers racists, have created a polarised political landscape (the left have ensured there is no such thing as a centrist position anymore, either left or right).

The Remainers also refuse to accept a democratic result while taking pride in UK's democracy when boasting about the UK to others.

Liberalism has destroyed the UK. I have seen it, and experienced it, with my own eyes; I am born and bred in London for nearly 50 years - and I can tell you life before the EU, was magical.

I’ve lived in london since the 70’s and I have the complete view. Life now is a billion times better now

 

[Technics 1210]

Yes China and indian economies will grow, but the EU has imposed limits on how much the UK can trade with the rest of the world. But no, lets stick with the EU.

People are getting laid off now, losing homes, jobs, because of C19, not because of the EU membership

No deal will not result in a GDP contraction as C19 did. If UK can survive the C19 pandemic, no deal is just a breeze. The UK will set it's own tarrifs and take control.

Remember, the UK is EUs largest consumer of goods. Will EU say no to their number 1 customer? Not a chance. EU stand to lose more.

This is leverage, and this is why UK is prepared to walk. Time to called the bluff on those unelected Nazi leaders in the EU.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Wonder what are Britain’s major exports that’ll help them solidify foreign trade deals. Especially when Britain’s economy is centred around consuming rather than creating/manufacturing goods.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Yes China and indian economies will grow, but the EU has imposed limits on how much the UK can trade with the rest of the world. But no, lets stick with the EU.

People are getting laid off now, losing homes, jobs, because of C19, not because of the EU membership

No deal will not result in a GDP contraction as C19 did. If UK can survive the C19 pandemic, no deal is just a breeze. The UK will set it's own tarrifs and take control.

Remember, the UK is EUs largest consumer of goods. Will EU say no to their number 1 customer? Not a chance. EU stand to lose more.

This is leverage, and this is why UK is prepared to walk. Time to called the bluff on those unelected Nazi leaders in the EU.

The whole idea of free trade deals is that tariffs will have to go.

 

[Technics 1210]

[MENTION=38764]IMMY[/MENTION] Life is better now? More and more people are drowning in debt. Affordability is out the window. Influx of EU citizens has suppressed wages. Back in the day 1 salary was enough for a home, car, holiday etc - now even 2 full time salaries is not enough. I could go on and on.

Yes those who bought their houses before the UK joined the EU are well off.

Quality of life in the UK is in decline. Austerity is leading to all sorts.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

[MENTION=38764]IMMY[/MENTION] Life is better now? More and more people are drowning in debt. Affordability is out the window. Influx of EU citizens has suppressed wages. Back in the day 1 salary was enough for a home, car, holiday etc - now even 2 full time salaries is not enough. I could go on and on.

Yes those who bought their houses before the UK joined the EU are well off.

Quality of life in the UK is in decline. Austerity is leading to all sorts.

I think that has a lot to do with Britain moving away from manufacturing and to the service industry.

 

[Technics 1210]

I think that has a lot to do with Britain moving away from manufacturing and to the service industry.

This also has played a part but more to do with Globalisation; a model which has been questioned since the C19 pandemic.

The UK now is pretty much relying on financial services now.

So yes, once UK leave the EU it should hopefully encourage manufacturing within the UK.

 

[IMMY69]

[MENTION=38764]IMMY[/MENTION] Life is better now? More and more people are drowning in debt. Affordability is out the window. Influx of EU citizens has suppressed wages. Back in the day 1 salary was enough for a home, car, holiday etc - now even 2 full time salaries is not enough. I could go on and on.

Yes those who bought their houses before the UK joined the EU are well off.

Quality of life in the UK is in decline. Austerity is leading to all sorts.

Many reasons for my belief...
a few examples..

What would take one week to put a wooden floor in to a small 500 square foot flat now takes 2 days. This is applies across the board in the building trade.

Shops, cafes, restaurants and care homes have been transformed with eu immigration with more choice now then there ever was which also allows for greater employment...

Longer opening hours

Salaries and bonuses on a Hugh trajectory until 2008 when it all fell flat on the floor followed by austerity measures.

Many mire reasons but I’m sitting in my car waiting for a meeting

PS
As a remainer I do think the pandemic has changed things somewhat. We could actually end up better off outside of the EU but that’s not really deciding factor when it comes to being pro Or anti EU

 

[Robert]

The whole idea of free trade deals is that tariffs will have to go.

Problems is that one cannot just set one’s own tariffs under GATT / WTO. They have to be the same for all nations.

And any WTO member nation can object to attempts by tariffs set by any other.

And plenty of nations just flat out hate UK, or rather England.

Yet another reason for Scotland to secede and rejoin the EU. They won’t want to be shackled to a corpse. You’ll see a brain drain as skilled English people start to research their Scottish and Irish heritage and apply for passports.

 

[Technics 1210]

UK shackled to the corpse that is EU is acceptable?

Japan and Australia are on verge of signing trade deals with UK.

WTO tarrifs are fixed. Non negotiable, that is why it's known as WTO.

Remainers said the UK would collapse after the day of the ref result.

4 years on we're still here, planes have not fallen out of the skies as remainers were predicting.

 

[Technics 1210]

Many reasons for my belief...
a few examples..

What would take one week to put a wooden floor in to a small 500 square foot flat now takes 2 days. This is applies across the board in the building trade.

Shops, cafes, restaurants and care homes have been transformed with eu immigration with more choice now then there ever was which also allows for greater employment...

Longer opening hours

Salaries and bonuses on a Hugh trajectory until 2008 when it all fell flat on the floor followed by austerity measures.

Many mire reasons but I’m sitting in my car waiting for a meeting

PS
As a remainer I do think the pandemic has changed things somewhat. We could actually end up better off outside of the EU but that’s not really deciding factor when it comes to being pro Or anti EU

I'm pretty sure the longer opening hours were down to the Asian community opening their off licenses etc for longer hours, and of course the restaurants and shops well before UK joined the EU.

But yes I agree the C19 pandemic has revealed far greater problem and has provided the perfect juxtaposition to then entire EU debate.

 

[Technics 1210]

Do not let remainers push the argument of democracy. For those of you who do not know:

Maastrict treaty, Rome treaty, and Lisbon treaty - the treaties which signed UK up to the EU were NEVER put to the people.

Let em weep. You reep what you sow.

 

[Robert]

Treaty of Rome was was put to the people in the 1975 Referendum. 67% voted Yes.

Maastricht should have been put to the people but Major chose not to.

Lisbon meant no meaningful constitutional change to the UK.

 

[Technics 1210]

Treaty of Rome was was put to the people in the 1975 Referendum. 67% voted Yes.

Maastricht should have been put to the people but Major chose not to.

Lisbon meant no meaningful constitutional change to the UK.

I stand corrected.

However the 1975 vote was to join the EEC, not the EU. EEC was an economic union and I don't think anyone, even today, would object to an economic union.

It's the political union (EU) which is opposed.

 

[msaaim89]

Any forecastson house prices over next few months and immediately after Brexit?

Seem to be in a miniboom now. Surely won't last? Think the ending of furlough scheme may play a bigger part than Brexit.
[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] @Technics_1210 [MENTION=491]IMMY69[/MENTION]

 

[Robert]

Any forecastson house prices over next few months and immediately after Brexit?

Seem to be in a miniboom now. Surely won't last? Think the ending of furlough scheme may play a bigger part than Brexit.
[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] @Technics_1210 [MENTION=491]IMMY69[/MENTION]

I would say sell immediately. Or buy next year because housing prices will go into decline as unemployment soars and companies close.

Johnson never intended to get that “oven ready deal” he promised us in November. It was a mirage to get votes. He has to please his disaster capitalist donors who have shorted Sterling in the belief that it will fall against the US£ and Euro, and intend to hoover up property as the prices fall.

 

[Technics 1210]

The forecast for the housing market in the UK is not looking great:

1. Bank of Mum and Dad who remortgaged their home to help their children get on the property ladder - are almost out of cash. Bank of Grandma and Grandad are now being tapped.

2. Affordability for UK residence is out the window for the majority of buyers.

3. The majority of buyers are foreign due to a weak GBP.

4. Chancellor has been urged to extend furlough to avoid mass defaults on mortgages (once furloughs end, most companies will not rehire on full wages or even have jobs).

5. Banks have removed mortgage products which require low percentage of deposits.

6. Buy to let mortgages require even stricter requirements.


As Rob has said, many are selling/cashing in.

Just goes to show how UK economy is almost 100% reliant on debt.

Best advice - save as much as you can. Only a fool would sign their life away for 25 years on over inflated house prices.

 

[IMMY69]

Any forecastson house prices over next few months and immediately after Brexit?

Seem to be in a miniboom now. Surely won't last? Think the ending of furlough scheme may play a bigger part than Brexit.
[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] @Technics_1210 [MENTION=491]IMMY69[/MENTION]

Right now its the perfect storm for the property market.

Zero stamp duty upto £500k, extremely low interest rates and a huge appetite for people to trade up due to Covid-19. People are now looking for an extra bedroom or even a garden so they're don't feel trapped if another full blown lockdown happens. Also the market was shut for almost three months with many sales/purchases on hold...

As a property investor, it's always a good time to buy especially if you're not looking to sell.
However, its also a decent time to get on to the property ladder as the number of mortgages being approved is going through the roof.

If you're looking to upscale and have the funds to do it then by all means do. However, with furlough ending, uncertainty after Brexit (I mean once we have actually left), stamp duty returning April 2021, massive unemployment, realistically you can expect this bubble to burst at some time, more likely sooner rather then later.

 

[Technics 1210]

I would say sell immediately. Or buy next year because housing prices will go into decline as unemployment soars and companies close.

Johnson never intended to get that “oven ready deal” he promised us in November. It was a mirage to get votes. He has to please his disaster capitalist donors who have shorted Sterling in the belief that it will fall against the US£ and Euro, and intend to hoover up property as the prices fall.

Capitalists donors shorting the GBP. This sound far fetched. Any evidence supporting this claim?

You don't need to short the GBP if the USD/EUR gains in strength. Since you believe the single market/EZ is a strong economy, the EUR gains strength anyway. So why short the GBP?

 

[IMMY69]

I would say sell immediately. Or buy next year because housing prices will go into decline as unemployment soars and companies close.

Johnson never intended to get that “oven ready deal” he promised us in November. It was a mirage to get votes. He has to please his disaster capitalist donors who have shorted Sterling in the belief that it will fall against the US£ and Euro, and intend to hoover up property as the prices fall.

Covid scuppered the “hoover up property” plan...

Residential rental yield 3/4pct
Pre Covid Commercial Yield 7pct plus....

Now you can see Boris and his friends pushing for people to get back to work... watch next for incentives given to companies to bring people back to the office and taxes on online shopping.

 

[Firebat]

Northern Ireland Secretary admits new bill will 'break international law'

A government minister has said a new bill to amend the UK's Brexit deal with the EU will "break international law".

Concerns had been raised about legislation being brought forward which could change parts of the withdrawal agreement, negotiated last year.

Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis conceded it would go against the treaty in a "specific and limited way".

Former PM Theresa May warned the change could damage "trust" in the UK over future trade deals with other states.

The permanent secretary to the Government Legal Department, Sir Jonathan Jones, has announced he resigning from government in light of the bill, making him the sixth senior civil servant to leave Whitehall this year.

Sir Jonathan, who is the government's most senior lawyer, is understood to have believed the plans went too far in breaching the government's obligations under international law.

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer condemned the bill and accused No 10 of "reopening old arguments that had been settled", saying the "focus should be on getting a [trade] deal done" with the EU.

No 10 revealed on Monday that it would be introducing a new UK Internal Market Bill that could affect post-Brexit customs and trade rules in Northern Ireland.

Downing Street said it would only make "minor clarifications in extremely specific areas" - but it worried some in Brussels and Westminster that it could see the government try to change the withdrawal agreement, which became international law when the UK left the EU in January.

The row also comes at the start of the eighth round of post-Brexit trade deal talks between the UK and the EU.

The two sides are trying to secure a deal before the end of the transition period on 31 December, which will see the UK going onto World Trade Organisation rules if no agreement is reached.

The UK's chief Brexit negotiator, Lord David Frost, called for "realism" from his EU counterparts, saying he would "drive home our clear message that we must make progress this week if we are to reach an agreement in time".

The EU said it would "do everything in [its] power to reach an agreement" with the UK, but "will be ready" for a no-deal scenario.

On Monday, Boris Johnson said if a deal hadn't been done by the time the European Council meets on 15 October, the two sides should "move on" and accept the UK's exit without one.

Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary, Louise Haigh, said it was "deeply concerning" that the prime minister "appeared to be undermining the legal obligations of his own deal" with the introduction of the new law while the negotiations are taking place.

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54073836

 

[Robert]

Capitalists donors shorting the GBP. This sound far fetched. Any evidence supporting this claim?

You don't need to short the GBP if the USD/EUR gains in strength. Since you believe the single market/EZ is a strong economy, the EUR gains strength anyway. So why short the GBP?

I can’t produce evidence for something that has not happened yet. I am making a prediction.

Look, it’s pretty obvious that Sterling will fall in the new year so the money brokers will bet that it will go down. So they have a vested interest in the most destructive form of Brexit for the British economy. The Conservative Party has always been the party representing big business so there will be pressure on the PM to not get a FT deal. He’s now saying that the oven-ready deal he promised the electorate last year was never likely.

 

[Technics 1210]

I can’t produce evidence for something that has not happened yet. I am making a prediction.

Look, it’s pretty obvious that Sterling will fall in the new year so the money brokers will bet that it will go down. So they have a vested interest in the most destructive form of Brexit for the British economy. The Conservative Party has always been the party representing big business so there will be pressure on the PM to not get a FT deal. He’s now saying that the oven-ready deal he promised the electorate last year was never likely.

Why don't we call your prediction what it really is - a 'lefty looney' conspiracy theory.

The GBP has been in decline vs the USD since 2008 (from a high of 2.10). It was Gordon Brown, who when Chancellor in 97, under LABOUR ofcourse, embarked on a path of financial deregulation - which was proven to be instrumental to the crash of 2008. We are steal reeling from that crash. Facts.

The GBP will continue to get weaker. We don't manufacture anything of any significance anymore. There is no reason for the GBP to get stronger other than higher interest rates. Rates were much higher pre-2008 crash and this propped up the value of the GBP. We now have near zero interest rates and talk of heading into negative territory. Facts.

Also since Reaganomics was born in the 80s, debt levels have just gone up in the West. This put more pressure on the currency. GBP was above 2.5 since the birth of the debt binge system. Facts.

You need to start looking at the wider picture and stop blaming Brexit, stop thinking this is some Tory right-wing conspiracy to please the doners/Brexiteers - it's not. You need to blame the Capitalist system we live in, because it is the capitalist system that is the cause.

The GBP has been in a downward spiral long before Brexit, long before the EU - and it will continue until the capitalist system is fixed. Until then the last hope is to go back to the roots of prosperity and currency strength, trade, and start trading with the world, but you rather be subservient to a bunch of nations that tried to destroy the UK at least twice in the past 100 years.

 

[Robert]

Why don't we call your prediction what it really is - a 'lefty looney' conspiracy theory.

The GBP has been in decline vs the USD since 2008 (from a high of 2.10). It was Gordon Brown, who when Chancellor in 97, under LABOUR ofcourse, embarked on a path of financial deregulation - which was proven to be instrumental to the crash of 2008. We are steal reeling from that crash. Facts.

The GBP will continue to get weaker. We don't manufacture anything of any significance anymore. There is no reason for the GBP to get stronger other than higher interest rates. Rates were much higher pre-2008 crash and this propped up the value of the GBP. We now have near zero interest rates and talk of heading into negative territory. Facts.

Also since Reaganomics was born in the 80s, debt levels have just gone up in the West. This put more pressure on the currency. GBP was above 2.5 since the birth of the debt binge system. Facts.

You need to start looking at the wider picture and stop blaming Brexit, stop thinking this is some Tory right-wing conspiracy to please the doners/Brexiteers - it's not. You need to blame the Capitalist system we live in, because it is the capitalist system that is the cause.

The GBP has been in a downward spiral long before Brexit, long before the EU - and it will continue until the capitalist system is fixed. Until then the last hope is to go back to the roots of prosperity and currency strength, trade, and start trading with the world, but you rather be subservient to a bunch of nations that tried to destroy the UK at least twice in the past 100 years.

Because this is a specific situation. Rich people in the Tory supporting press want to carry on paying no tax. The EU Tax Avoidance Directive makes this harder for them, so the Tory press barons persuaded people to vote Leave.

Then the money brokers realised Sterling would fall. So they need a hard Brexit to maximise profit, not the free trade deal that UK and EU could conceivably both benefit from. There is no other explanation for hard Brexit. Somebody must be compelling Johnson to take this mad course.

We have always traded with the world, and we got better deals with negotiating as part of the EU (18% of world GDP) than we will by ourselves (just 3%).

The structures that since 1956 have underpinned what is now the EU since 1956 make further European war impossible. I don’t want subservience, I want the more-than-equal partnership we had in the big bloc.

And I want my rights back. Hopefully soon I will get my Irish passport and become an EU citizen again.

 

[Technics 1210]

What rights have you lost?

 

[Robert]

What rights have you lost?

https://europa.eu/european-union/business_en

 

[Technics 1210]

You are 'predicting' again. You haven't lost any rights.

 

[Robert]

You are 'predicting' again. You haven't lost any rights.

It’s EU law. We are withdrawing from it. On 31 December those rights go away for Britons.

In other news, Theresa May leads a Tory backbench rebellion against Johnson’s breach of the Withdrawal Agreement. Good one Mrs May. If we break the law here, nobody will trust us enough to make deals in future. The US Senate trade committee has already said as much.

 

[Technics 1210]

It’s EU law. We are withdrawing from it. On 31 December those rights go away for Britons.

In other news, Theresa May leads a Tory backbench rebellion against Johnson’s breach of the Withdrawal Agreement. Good one Mrs May. If we break the law here, nobody will trust us enough to make deals in future. The US Senate trade committee has already said as much.

There is no reason why EU law cannot be enshrined into UK law through Parliament.

You are worrying for nothing and have bought into the scare mongering. You and I will still be alive and well on 1st Jan 2021. Where is your British Bulldog spirit? We survived C19 haven't we? Are do you feel you are more European than British?

 

[Gabbar Singh]

How have the EU-philes allowed themselves to be played like a fiddle like this by the hard brexiteers? Not in their wildest dreams would people like Farage, Rees-Mogg etc have thought they’d actually get a proper clean break brexit like this. For a long time it was looking like we’d have some bizarre brexit in name only situation yet look at us now. Don’t agree with much of what Farage etc want but boy have they won this war resoundingly - these are some of the most successful and influential politicians in post war Britain. A couple of decades ago they were openly mocked in Europe and at home for their views and ambitions - and now they are about to totally reshape the future of this nation.

 

[Robert]

There is no reason why EU law cannot be enshrined into UK law through Parliament.

You are worrying for nothing and have bought into the scare mongering. You and I will still be alive and well on 1st Jan 2021. Where is your British Bulldog spirit? We survived C19 haven't we? Are do you feel you are more European than British?

Obviously UK law cannot grant EU citizenship, only EU law can do that.

As for British Bulldog spirit, this isn’t WW2 where there was a existential enemy, it’s unnecessary self-inflicted harm. I still feel like a Briton, but not English any more. Am exploring my Irish side. If I can get that passport, I might retire to Tenerife.

 

[Robert]

How have the EU-philes allowed themselves to be played like a fiddle like this by the hard brexiteers? Not in their wildest dreams would people like Farage, Rees-Mogg etc have thought they’d actually get a proper clean break brexit like this. For a long time it was looking like we’d have some bizarre brexit in name only situation yet look at us now. Don’t agree with much of what Farage etc want but boy have they won this war resoundingly - these are some of the most successful and influential politicians in post war Britain. A couple of decades ago they were openly mocked in Europe and at home for their views and ambitions - and now they are about to totally reshape the future of this nation.

Decades of programming by the Eurosceptic media nurturing an ugly English nationalism, exceptionalism and victimhood, a complete failure to explain the advantages of EU membership over the same period, the failure of Project Fear by Cameron, abject lack of Opposition leadership in Corbyn, plus the worst Tory campaign imaginable in 2017 which lost May her majority and mandate to drive a sensible Brexit through.

Now the Union will split.

 

[Technics 1210]

Obviously UK law cannot grant EU citizenship, only EU law can do that.

As for British Bulldog spirit, this isn’t WW2 where there was a existential enemy, it’s unnecessary self-inflicted harm. I still feel like a Briton, but not English any more. Am exploring my Irish side. If I can get that passport, I might retire to Tenerife.

I think you are confused. The result of excess lefty media scaremongering.

You are ashamed of who you are it seems because you are worried about what people think of England. No words.

Besides, not a single one of your or Remainer predictions has come close to being true. The truth is you are just looking for an excuse (Brexit) to leave England cos things have gotton pretty bad due to austerity, not Brexit.

Anyway, good luck in your post EU endeavors, I hate to think how you would feel if the EU failed in the future.

 

[Robert]

In other news, Theresa May leads a Tory backbench rebellion against Johnson’s breach of the Withdrawal Agreement. Good one Mrs May. If we break the law here, nobody will trust us enough to make deals in future. The US Senate trade committee has already said as much.

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/bre...AtSll-GOxgw_W1Gm1VXmTgw75u43AaPaQfMjAC2Ms0gN4

 

[msaaim89]

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/bre...AtSll-GOxgw_W1Gm1VXmTgw75u43AaPaQfMjAC2Ms0gN4

Very specific and limited way? In standard terms, breaking a part of the law.

I think Robert on this occasion you are right, this may come back to bite Boris in the rear.

 

[Robert]

Very specific and limited way? In standard terms, breaking a part of the law.

I think Robert on this occasion you are right, this may come back to bite Boris in the rear.

He would rather break an international treaty that he signed himself rather than admit he didn’t read it properly.

Galactic-level incompetence and dishonesty.

 

[Technics 1210]

Remainers clutching at every straw possible here. Breaking the law. How many times have we heard this?

The only law that is bring broken is The European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018.

No one cares about May just like no one cared when Blair broke international law when going to War against Iraq.

Boo hoo. Move on.

 

[MenInG]

The EU has threatened the UK with legal action if it does not ditch a bill to override key parts of the Brexit divorce deal "by the end of the month".

In a statement following emergency talks between the two sides, the EU said the bill "seriously damaged trust between the EU and the UK".

The UK government said its Parliament is sovereign and can pass laws which breach the UK's treaty obligations.

Meanwhile, trade talks between UK and EU officials continue in London.

The source of the EU's concern is Mr Johnson's proposed Internal Market Bill, which was published on Wednesday.

It addresses the Northern Ireland Protocol - an element of the withdrawal agreement designed to prevent a hard border returning to the island of Ireland.

The bill proposes no new checks on goods moving from Northern Ireland to Great Britain. It gives UK ministers powers to modify or "disapply" rules relating to the movement of goods that will come into force from 1 January, if the UK and EU are unable to strike a trade deal.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54097320

 

[Robert]

Remainers clutching at every straw possible here. Breaking the law. How many times have we heard this?

The only law that is bring broken is The European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018.

No one cares about May just like no one cared when Blair broke international law when going to War against Iraq.

Boo hoo. Move on.

You say you want U.K. to get international trade deals.

We won’t get any trade deals if the U.K. breaches the Withdrawal Agreement it so recently signed with the EU, because nobody will trust us.

 

[Technics 1210]

You say you want U.K. to get international trade deals.

We won’t get any trade deals if the U.K. breaches the Withdrawal Agreement it so recently signed with the EU, because nobody will trust us.

I got news for you, no one ever trusted us!

 

[Firebat]

EU boosts 'no-deal' planning as UK refuses to give way in Brexit stalemate

LONDON/BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Union stepped up planning for a “no-deal” Brexit on Friday after Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s government refused to revoke a plan to break the divorce treaty that Brussels says will sink four years of talks.

Britain said explicitly this week that it plans to break international law by breaching parts of the Withdrawal Agreement treaty that it signed in January, when it formally left the bloc.

Britain says the move is aimed at clarifying ambiguities, but it caused a new crisis in talks less than four months before a post-Brexit transition period ends in December.

European Parliament lawmakers said on Friday they will not approve any new EU-UK trade deal unless Britain fully implements its earlier divorce deal. The chamber must approve any such trade deal for it to be enacted.

If the UK authorities breach the divorce deal, or threaten to do so, then “the European Parliament will, under no circumstances, ratify any agreement between the EU and the UK,” the parliament’s Brexit group and the heads of the parliamentary political groups said in a statement.

Investment banks have increased their estimates of the chances of a messy end to Britain’s exit from the EU. Sterling dipped to 5-1/2-month lows on Friday.

A deputy head of the bloc’s executive, Maros Sefcovic, said on Friday that “it is now up to the UK government to re-establish trust”. Sefcovic spoke after informing EU lawmakers of his unsuccessful talks the previous day in London where he demanded that Britain scrap by the end of this month the plan to breach the divorce treaty.

Britain has refused, saying its parliament is sovereign above international law.

“As the United Kingdom looks to what kind of future trade relationship it wants with the European Union, a prerequisite for that is honouring agreements that are already in place,” said Pascal Donohoe, chairman of euro zone finance ministers.

As the atmosphere soured between London and Brussels, Japan and Britain said they had reached agreement in principle on a bilateral trade deal that meant 99% of the Britain’s exports to Japan would be tariff-free.

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NO DEAL

EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier said on Thursday the bloc was increasing its planning for a no-deal Brexit at the end of this year after trade talks made little progress.

“The UK has not engaged in a reciprocal way on fundamental EU principles and interests,” Barnier said. “Nobody should underestimate the practical, economic and social consequences of a ‘no-deal’ scenario.”

Britain rejected Barnier’s view.

“We don’t recognise the suggestion that we’ve not engaged, we’ve been engaged in talks pretty consistently for many months now,” a British source said.

“The problem is the EU seems to define engagement as accepting large elements of their position rather than being engaged in discussions.”

The government said parliament would debate the contentious Internal Market Bill on Monday.

The bill will face opposition in both houses of parliament as many senior British politicians have expressed shock that London is explicitly planning to breach international law.

“I don’t think this will get through the Lords, in its present form,” said Norman Lamont, a Brexit supporting member of the House of Lords, the upper chamber.

“It is impossible to defend. They’ll have to think again.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...to-give-way-in-brexit-stalemate-idUSKBN2620PK

 

[Robert]

I got news for you, no one ever trusted us!

I don’t believe that. UK helped set up the post-WW2 rule-based order. The UN, GATT, World Bank, IMF. Shared values of responsibility and trust. Our word has always been our bond until now. If Britain says it will do something, it does it.

But now HMG is run by people with no ethical sense, who lie as easily as you and I breathe. It will start to seep down into society. The people are being shown a dreadful example of how to behave. The fish rots from the head.

 

[Technics 1210]

I don’t believe that. UK helped set up the post-WW2 rule-based order. The UN, GATT, World Bank, IMF. Shared values of responsibility and trust. Our word has always been our bond until now. If Britain says it will do something, it does it.

But now HMG is run by people with no ethical sense, who lie as easily as you and I breathe. It will start to seep down into society. The people are being shown a dreadful example of how to behave. The fish rots from the head.

Post WW2 order after centuries of pillaging the world? Yup, no reason not to trust UK. By the way the institutions you have listed are dying with the baby boomer generation.

Speaking of trust, the left have already betrayed the trust of the 17.3M voters, and in the process have insulted democracy top to bottom. No one trusts the left anymore.

 

[Robert]

Post WW2 order after centuries of pillaging the world? Yup, no reason not to trust UK. By the way the institutions you have listed are dying with the baby boomer generation.

Speaking of trust, the left have already betrayed the trust of the 17.3M voters, and in the process have insulted democracy top to bottom. No one trusts the left anymore.

Well, there you are. You don’t expect our leaders to be decent and responsible and truthful. I do.

The Britain I grew up believing in is passing away. I am filled with sorrow to watch it sicken and die.

 

[Technics 1210]

Well, there you are. You don’t expect our leaders to be decent and responsible and truthful. I do.

The Britain I grew up believing in is passing away. I am filled with sorrow to watch it sicken and die.

Yet you do not respect the trust of 17.3M voters. Remind us why we should listen to the liberal left?

You respect truthful leaders like Blair?

You don't care about the indigenous, so why should the indigenous care about you?

 

[Firebat]

Michael Gove says Brexit bill will protect 'integrity' of UK

Michael Gove has defended plans to override parts of the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement as a means of protecting the "integrity" of the UK.

The Cabinet Office minister said the UK was being "generous" with the EU over the Brexit negotiations.

The EU has threatened legal action over the Internal Market Bill, which ministers say will break international law in a "specific and limited way".

PM Boris Johnson is urging Tory MPs to back it, after some raised concerns.

The bill, which will be formally debated in the House of Commons for the first time on Monday, addresses the Northern Ireland Protocol - the part of the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement designed to prevent a hard border returning to the island of Ireland.

If this became law it would give UK ministers powers to modify or "disapply" rules relating to the movement of goods between Britain and Northern Ireland that will come into force from 1 January, if the UK and EU are unable to strike a trade deal.

Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis told the Commons the bill, which would go against the Withdrawal Agreement signed by the UK and EU, would "break international law in a very specific and limited way".

But Mr Gove said the attorney general had said the proposal would be consistent with the rule of law - and that it was important to have an "insurance policy".

He insisted the government was being "proportionate and generous" in its approach to the EU talks.

Mr Gove said: "These steps are a safety net, they're a long-stop in the event, which I don't believe will come about but we do need to be ready for, that the EU follow through on what some have said they might do which is, in effect, to separate Northern Ireland from the rest of the United Kingdom."

While admitting it was a "crunch moment", he insisted "we have got the support of our own MPs".

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54129927

 

[IMMY69]

Yet you do not respect the trust of 17.3M voters. Remind us why we should listen to the liberal left?

You respect truthful leaders like Blair?

You don't care about the indigenous, so why should the indigenous care about you?

Well at least you’ve moved away from looney left to liberal left.

The conservatives themselves were split over brexit but now we have staunch brexiteers voicing their concerns of the exit agreement.

BUT truth is I want to thank you. You’ve posts have been like holding a mirror to me and I’m going to make a bigger effort to be politer, less crass and more open minded.
So thank you

 

[James]

The Tory Party recently won the General Election on the promise that they would implement an international treaty which they have now retroactively deemed to be unworkable. And yet according to flash polling, most of their supporters and many members of the public have already accepted this and don’t seem to mind. It’s a strange post-truth political era that we are living in.

 

[sweep_shot]

Brexit: Tony Blair and John Major urge MPs to reject bill

Former prime ministers Tony Blair and Sir John Major have urged parliament to reject Boris Johnson's "shameful" attempt to override parts of the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement.

The PM has said the European Union is threatening to impose a customs border in the Irish Sea, separating Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK.

Mr Blair and Sir John have accused the government of "embarrassing" the UK.

The Internal Market Bill will be debated in the Commons on Monday.

The bill would go against the Withdrawal Agreement signed by the UK and EU.

It addresses the Northern Ireland Protocol - the part of the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement designed to prevent a hard border returning to the island of Ireland.

If the bill becomes law it would give UK ministers powers to modify or "disapply" rules relating to the movement of goods between Britain and Northern Ireland that will come into force from 1 January, if the UK and EU are unable to strike a trade deal.

Writing in The Sunday Times, Sir John and Mr Blair - former Conservative and Labour prime ministers respectively - said the government's actions were "irresponsible, wrong in principle and dangerous in practice".

"It raises questions that go far beyond the impact on Ireland, the peace process and negotiations for a trade deal - crucial though they are. It questions the very integrity of our nation," they said.

The former leaders said that respecting treaty obligations was "just as important" as domestic law, and called for MPs to reject the legislation.

"As the world looks on aghast at the UK - the word of which was once accepted as inviolable - this government's action is shaming itself and embarrassing our nation," they added.

Source" https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54135231.

 

[Technics 1210]

Blair embarrassed? What a joke. War criminal through and through. As for Major, he denied the people the vote to join the EU.

They've got some front.

 

[Robert]

The Tory Party recently won the General Election on the promise that they would implement an international treaty which they have now retroactively deemed to be unworkable. And yet according to flash polling, most of their supporters and many members of the public have already accepted this and don’t seem to mind. It’s a strange post-truth political era that we are living in.

This is what I am so disappointed by. So many people don’t seem to care that our leaders have no moral sense, no guiding principles. Time was that every town had a big Conservative Association, a big Liberal Club, strong union membership in the North. But people are disengaged from the political process, and the amoral weeds have taken root in the gaps.

 

[Technics 1210]

This is what I am so disappointed by. So many people don’t seem to care that our leaders have no moral sense, no guiding principles. Time was that every town had a big Conservative Association, a big Liberal Club, strong union membership in the North. But people are disengaged from the political process, and the amoral weeds have taken root in the gaps.

Who is to blame for this? Remainers and yes the lefty looney liberals.

If only they had accepted the democratic descision in 2016 instead of trying to supress the voice of the 17.4M. How many elections since 2016? Then you wonder why the electorate are jaded and disenfranchised?

 

[Firebat]

'Shocking': Blair, Major chide UK plan to breach international law

LONDON (Reuters) - Former prime ministers Tony Blair and John Major said on Sunday Britain must drop a “shocking” plan to pass legislation that breaks its divorce treaty with the European Union, in a breach of international law.

The British government said explicitly last week that it plans to break international law by breaching parts of the Withdrawal Agreement treaty that it signed in January, when it formally left the EU.

“What is being proposed now is shocking,” Major and Blair, who were adversaries in the 1990s as Conservative and Labour leaders, wrote in a joint letter published by the Sunday Times newspaper.

“How can it be compatible with the codes of conduct that bind ministers, law officers and civil servants deliberately to break treaty obligations?”

Theresa May, the predecessor of current Prime Minister Boris Johnson, has also questioned whether international partners would be able to trust Britain in future.

Johnson’s Internal Market Bill is aimed at ensuring Britain’s four constituent nations can trade freely with one another after leaving the EU, but the government says that requires overriding part of the withdrawal treaty it signed with Brussels.

British ministers say the bill is a “safety net” in the event there is no trade deal reached with the bloc, but top EU officials say it undermines both the withdrawal treaty and trust in future talks.

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KEEPING THE PEACE

EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier said on Sunday that the Withdrawal Agreement on Northern Ireland “is not a threat to the integrity of the UK”, and had been agreed by the two sides to protect peace on the island of Ireland.

“We could not have been clearer about the consequences of Brexit,” Barnier said on Twitter.

His British counterpart David Frost responded by saying London had to reserve powers in the new bill in order to keep the peace in Ireland.

Keir Starmer, leader of the opposition Labour Party, described the legislation as wrong on Sunday.

“We have broken the trust of our international partners,” Starmer wrote in the Sunday Telegraph newspaper, adding that his party would oppose the bill in parliament unless changes were made.

European lawmakers have warned they would not approve any new trade deal unless the withdrawal agreement was fully implemented, while there is also talk of possible legal action.

“The reputation of the UK ... as a trusted negotiating partner on important issues like this is being damaged in a very serious way,” Irish foreign minister Simon Coveney told the BBC on Sunday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...lan-to-breach-international-law-idUSKBN2640C4

 

[Robert]

'Shocking': Blair, Major chide UK plan to breach international law

LONDON (Reuters) - Former prime ministers Tony Blair and John Major said on Sunday Britain must drop a “shocking” plan to pass legislation that breaks its divorce treaty with the European Union, in a breach of international law.

The British government said explicitly last week that it plans to break international law by breaching parts of the Withdrawal Agreement treaty that it signed in January, when it formally left the EU.

“What is being proposed now is shocking,” Major and Blair, who were adversaries in the 1990s as Conservative and Labour leaders, wrote in a joint letter published by the Sunday Times newspaper.

“How can it be compatible with the codes of conduct that bind ministers, law officers and civil servants deliberately to break treaty obligations?”

Theresa May, the predecessor of current Prime Minister Boris Johnson, has also questioned whether international partners would be able to trust Britain in future.

Johnson’s Internal Market Bill is aimed at ensuring Britain’s four constituent nations can trade freely with one another after leaving the EU, but the government says that requires overriding part of the withdrawal treaty it signed with Brussels.

British ministers say the bill is a “safety net” in the event there is no trade deal reached with the bloc, but top EU officials say it undermines both the withdrawal treaty and trust in future talks.

Read more:

Spoiler

KEEPING THE PEACE

EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier said on Sunday that the Withdrawal Agreement on Northern Ireland “is not a threat to the integrity of the UK”, and had been agreed by the two sides to protect peace on the island of Ireland.

“We could not have been clearer about the consequences of Brexit,” Barnier said on Twitter.

His British counterpart David Frost responded by saying London had to reserve powers in the new bill in order to keep the peace in Ireland.

Keir Starmer, leader of the opposition Labour Party, described the legislation as wrong on Sunday.

“We have broken the trust of our international partners,” Starmer wrote in the Sunday Telegraph newspaper, adding that his party would oppose the bill in parliament unless changes were made.

European lawmakers have warned they would not approve any new trade deal unless the withdrawal agreement was fully implemented, while there is also talk of possible legal action.

“The reputation of the UK ... as a trusted negotiating partner on important issues like this is being damaged in a very serious way,” Irish foreign minister Simon Coveney told the BBC on Sunday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...lan-to-breach-international-law-idUSKBN2640C4

Have written to my MP to ask him to vote said bill down. He won’t listen as he’s ERG but I have to try.

 

[MenInG]

David Cameron has become the fifth former prime minister to criticise a new bill attempting to override the Brexit withdrawal agreement.

The Internal Market Bill will come before MPs later, with the government calling it an "insurance policy".

Mr Cameron said he had "misgivings" over it and breaking an international treaty should be the "final resort".

Former Tory PMs Theresa May and Sir John Major, and Labour's Tony Blair and Gordon Brown have condemned the plan.

Earlier, Policing Minister Kit Malthouse called it a "practical" step.

 

[Technics 1210]

David Cameron has become the fifth former prime minister to criticise a new bill attempting to override the Brexit withdrawal agreement.

The Internal Market Bill will come before MPs later, with the government calling it an "insurance policy".

Mr Cameron said he had "misgivings" over it and breaking an international treaty should be the "final resort".

Former Tory PMs Theresa May and Sir John Major, and Labour's Tony Blair and Gordon Brown have condemned the plan.

Earlier, Policing Minister Kit Malthouse called it a "practical" step.

May : EU puppet.
Major : Traitor to the people of UK.
Blair - War Criminal and an embarrassment to the UK.
Brown - Contributed to the crash of 2008, and sold UK's Gold at rock bottom prices.

Cameron? He bailed ship the morning after the EU referendum. Coward.

 

[Firebat]

May : EU puppet.
Major : Traitor to the people of UK.
Blair - War Criminal and an embarrassment to the UK.
Brown - Contributed to the crash of 2008, and sold UK's Gold at rock bottom prices.

Cameron? He bailed ship the morning after the EU referendum. Coward.

This is certainly becoming quite the conspiracy against the British people. Wonder who's paying all these (democratically elected) traitors to publicly denounce this bill. Could be the lizard people. Maybe the Illuminati!

Anyway Jacob Rees-Mogg and Nigel Farage say it's a good bill, so end of story everyone. Now hurry up and break this international treaty.

 

[Technics 1210]

Thatcher was the last PM to stand against the EU, and now Boris.

News for those who don't know, you can't break international law like the way remainers are bemoaning because any changes in UK law must be voted through parliament. Oh, yeah, Tories have a massive majority. Oh diddums.

 

[Firebat]

EU plays the money card as Johnson faces Brexit revolt in parliament

LONDON (Reuters) - The European Union on Monday ramped up pressure on Prime Minister Boris Johnson to step back from breaking the Brexit divorce treaty, delaying a key decision on London’s euro clearing just as he faces a rebellion in the British parliament.

The European Union says Johnson’s plan would wreck trade talks and propel the United Kingdom towards a messy Brexit while former British leaders have warned that breaking the law is a step too far that will tarnish the country’s image.

The House of Commons is due to vote on moving the Internal Market Bill, which the EU has demanded London scrap by the end of the month, to its next amendment stage after a debate that Johnson will introduce.

As Johnson prepared to try to persuade lawmakers that his plan to explicitly break international law was worth supporting, a derivatives industry source said the European Commission had delayed a decision on euro clearing.

Johnson, who has a majority of 80 in the lower house of parliament, faces a growing revolt. All of Britain’s living former prime ministers have expressed concern about his plan as have many senior figures in his Conservative Party.

“No British minister should solemnly undertake to observe treaty obligations with his fingers crossed behind his back,” Johnson’s former Attorney General Geoffrey Cox, who is influential with colleagues, said in The Times newspaper.

The leader of the opposition Labour Party, Keir Starmer, who was self isolating due to coronavirus, said he would oppose a bill that broke international law.

Johnson’s plan to explicitly break international law has plunged Brexit back into crisis less than four months before Britain is finally due to leave the EU’s orbit at the end of a transition period, and jeopardised trade talks.

The EU has ramped up preparations for a no-deal Brexit, which would be chaotic for business, markets and nearly $1 trillion in annual trade.

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WHO BLINKS FIRST?

Conservative lawmaker Rehman Chishti, who was Johnson’s special envoy for freedom of religion, quit his role, saying he could not support the bill. “As an MP (lawmaker) for 10yrs & former barrister, values of respecting rule of law & honouring one’s word are dear to me,” he tweeted.

British ministers say the bill, which explicitly states that it could be inconsistent with a host of international laws, is intended to clarify ambiguities - particularly over Northern Ireland - and act as a safeguard in case trade talks fall.

But some EU diplomats believe London is playing a game of chicken, inviting the collapse of trade talks to either get the deal it wants or leave without a deal.

The EU says it cannot trust those who break agreements and that if the bill is not effectively scrapped there will be no trade deal to cover everything from car parts to food.

If, as expected, it is passed in its second reading on Monday, there will be four more days of debate on the bill’s fine print - lasting into Tuesday of next week.

 

[Firebat]

Thatcher was the last PM to stand against the EU, and now Boris.

News for those who don't know, you can't break international law like the way remainers are bemoaning because any changes in UK law must be voted through parliament. Oh, yeah, Tories have a massive majority. Oh diddums.

Admittedly I'm not a lawyer, but sounds pretty law-breaking to the layman:

The government has admitted that its plan to change the special Brexit arrangements for Northern Ireland will break international law. That's because it would be ignoring the Withdrawal Agreement it signed.

 

[Technics 1210]

Admittedly I'm not a lawyer, but sounds pretty law-breaking to the layman:

More project fear.

 

[Robert]

It will be revealing to see how many Tories vote against this bill and which ones. They will be the ones I consider to be decent law abiding people, who seek to give the electorate the “oven-ready” free trade deal it was promised last December.

 

[Technics 1210]

There is no illegal activity here. This is UK Parliament democracy in process. This isn't the first time a UK law could be overridden by the majority vote in HoP no wait - that's exactly how it works.

The law abiding people is a euphemism for people who agree with the Remainer view; everyone else is sit on the far right.

 

[James]

I actually disagree. It isn’t just Remainers and Liberals who oppose this bill. Some Tories who voted for the Withdrawal Agreement and lean towards Leave will oppose it as well. It’s a shockingly arrogant and repellant bill. (I am no Remainer)

 

[Robert]

I actually disagree. It isn’t just Remainers and Liberals who oppose this bill. Some Tories who voted for the Withdrawal Agreement and lean towards Leave will oppose it as well. It’s a shockingly arrogant and repellant bill. (I am no Remainer)

Including some hardline Tory Leavers. This isn’t about Leave or Remain at all. It’s about following international law we made, or breaking it.

 

[Technics 1210]

1st reading of the new bill has passed by a majority of 77.

77

 

[msaaim89]

This is certainly becoming quite the conspiracy against the British people. Wonder who's paying all these (democratically elected) traitors to publicly denounce this bill. Could be the lizard people. Maybe the Illuminati!

Anyway Jacob Rees-Mogg and Nigel Farage say it's a good bill, so end of story everyone. Now hurry up and break this international treaty.

Why are you so eager, sick of the drama?

 

[KingKhanWC]

If this happens, the country needs to revolt and hang Boris.

Water rationing and food shortages’ if second wave clashes with no-deal Brexit

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/23/wate...-clashes-no-deal-brexit-13166025/?ito=cbshare

 

[msaaim89]

If this happens, the country needs to revolt and hang Boris.



Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/23/wate...-clashes-no-deal-brexit-13166025/?ito=cbshare

Seems to be well exaggerated.

Could of, would of, should have...

 

[KingKhanWC]

Seems to be well exaggerated.

Could of, would of, should have...

What I thought but cant rule anything out with Boris. He was supposed to be the man to lead Britain back to the Riches of Empire but instead is flushing the country down the toilet. The arrogance of this clown thinking great powers in Europe like Germany will bow down to a broken UK.

 

[James]

30 Tories abstained on the bill and 2 voted against. Many of them were “old grandees” as opposed to the younger intake. Potentially interesting, because this group of a few dozen discontents could grow in size and influence if the Government continues to behave like a young boy on his birthday playing with his new remote control toy helicopter.