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A disturbing video of an Indian Muslim man being brutally lynched by 11 people armed with swords and sticks in Maharashtra state has gone viral on social media and prompted a debate on the victim’s identity.

According to reports in Indian media, the victim, whom police identified as Rafiquddin, allegedly a gangster, was having tea at a roadside stall in Dhule, around 280 km from Mumbai, when he was attacked.

Gruesome CCTV footage shows a group of about 11 men pulling Rafiquddin onto the street in public view and striking him with swords and sticks. They continue to hit him even as he lies unconscious and accumulated rainwater around him turns red with blood.

Rafiquddin was struck 27 times with swords before the attackers escaped on motorcycles and scooters. Police claimed that he was a criminal out on bail, who had more than 30 cases of extortion, rape and murder against him, and that the murder was possibly a result of gang rivalry.

However, several social media posts have emerged in the aftermath of the murder which refute the Indian media and police’s claim that the victim was a criminal.

Social media users identify him as Naveed Pathan, a bodybuilder, who had participated in many contests.

Zain Khan, a Dubai-based broadcast journalist, tweeted that Hindu extremists had targeted Pathan.

Others, including Senator Sherry Rehman also expressed their outrage.

A Facebook page called “We want justice for Naveed Pathan‘ also termed the murder a religion-based attack, while a Pakistani bodybuilder also posted a video against barbaric incident.

Source: https://tribune.com.pk/story/146479...muslim-bodybuilder-killed-faith-gang-rivalry/
 
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No no he was muslim that's the only reason he was killed. if any muslim got killed or there is fight with some one or get robbed or got injured in accident and the reason for that belongs to other religion then its definately communal.
 
No no he was muslim that's the only reason he was killed. if any muslim got killed or there is fight with some one or get robbed or got injured in accident and the reason for that belongs to other religion then its definately communal.

As if there isn't rise of killing of Muslims in India due to their religious beliefs.

This may not be but that doesn't change the fact many have been killed, abused, harassed and threaten just because the wanted to have juicy steak with mashed potatoes.
 
As if there isn't rise of killing of Muslims in India due to their religious beliefs.

This may not be but that doesn't change the fact many have been killed, abused, harassed and threaten just because the wanted to have juicy steak with mashed potatoes.

Can you please tell how many muslims out of 125 crore population of india has been killed in recent 5 years combined data???
india is the safest place for muslima for a reason. its equally unsafe for hindus , muslims or any other person
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As if there isn't rise of killing of Muslims in India due to their religious beliefs.

This may not be but that doesn't change the fact many have been killed, abused, harassed and threaten just because the wanted to have juicy steak with mashed potatoes.

Don't take this incident to score points against anyone. A man has been brutally killed by a mob. There is no proof that whether it's based on religion or any personal grudge.
 
Can you please tell how many muslims out of 125 crore population of india has been killed in recent 5 years combined data???
india is the safest place for muslima for a reason. its equally unsafe for hindus , muslims or any other person
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Who told this? Just praising yourself and giving certificates.
 
India is a third world cesspit of fanatics and crazies. what a horrible country; with a dismal track record.. Funny how they label Pakistan witch fancy insults whilst being the worst country on planet earth, at the very least all of Asia. Indian Muslims are second class citizens, it's needless to say they made a big mistake to stay in India during and after partition. Well too late. Pakistanis stay blessed.
 
Can you please tell how many muslims out of 125 crore population of india has been killed in recent 5 years combined data???
india is the safest place for muslima for a reason. its equally unsafe for hindus , muslims or any other person
.

I'm sure you know who "google" is. Why don't you ask her/him/it.

It isn't about how many were killed, it is about why and by who they were killed.
 
Don't take this incident to score points against anyone. A man has been brutally killed by a mob. There is no proof that whether it's based on religion or any personal grudge.

Not scoring points. I don't know any of you here. Just stating the facts.
 
Who told this? Just praising yourself and giving certificates.

we dnt ever need a certificate of an islamic country where people get killed for without even eating beef, without even violance or without even doing anything....
 
A disturbing video of an Indian Muslim man being brutally lynched by 11 people armed with swords and sticks in Maharashtra state has gone viral on social media and prompted a debate on the victim’s identity.

According to reports in Indian media, the victim, whom police identified as Rafiquddin, allegedly a gangster, was having tea at a roadside stall in Dhule, around 280 km from Mumbai, when he was attacked.

Gruesome CCTV footage shows a group of about 11 men pulling Rafiquddin onto the street in public view and striking him with swords and sticks. They continue to hit him even as he lies unconscious and accumulated rainwater around him turns red with blood.

Rafiquddin was struck 27 times with swords before the attackers escaped on motorcycles and scooters. Police claimed that he was a criminal out on bail, who had more than 30 cases of extortion, rape and murder against him, and that the murder was possibly a result of gang rivalry.

However, several social media posts have emerged in the aftermath of the murder which refute the Indian media and police’s claim that the victim was a criminal.

Social media users identify him as Naveed Pathan, a bodybuilder, who had participated in many contests.

Zain Khan, a Dubai-based broadcast journalist, tweeted that Hindu extremists had targeted Pathan.

Others, including Senator Sherry Rehman also expressed their outrage.

A Facebook page called “We want justice for Naveed Pathan‘ also termed the murder a religion-based attack, while a Pakistani bodybuilder also posted a video against barbaric incident.

Source: https://tribune.com.pk/story/146479...muslim-bodybuilder-killed-faith-gang-rivalry/

This was a gang killing. Probably his killers were Muslims too. Shameful how routine gang violence are being given a communal cover by Pakistani newspapers
 
Don't take this incident to score points against anyone. A man has been brutally killed by a mob. There is no proof that whether it's based on religion or any personal grudge.
This killing was covered in Mumbai. The deceased was a well known gangster
 
Can you please tell how many muslims out of 125 crore population of india has been killed in recent 5 years combined data???
india is the safest place for muslima for a reason. its equally unsafe for hindus , muslims or any other person
.

if i say 5 are killed in the past 5 would you say thats fine?

1 or 2, murder means a murder...

They are harassed killed over NOTHING and its an open news, but what is more concerning is that dozens of females are victimized every day
 
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we dnt ever need a certificate of an islamic country where people get killed for without even eating beef, without even violance or without even doing anything....

Plz elaborate!

Are you talking about the agents that India sends for murdering purposes or the weaponry that it provides to the SO CALLED TALIBANS
 
This was a gang killing. Probably his killers were Muslims too. Shameful how routine gang violence are being given a communal cover by Pakistani newspapers

You said probably his killers were Muslims too. That means you don't know either so you are also making assumptions to suit your own agenda. All we really know is that the official version that he was a gangster is being disputed by parties closer to the ground than we are.
 
Just to play devil's advocate, I read about a case in the past where a person was dying on the side of a road and no one bothered to stop and help. It was in India and the person was a Hindu. As much as I disagree with Indian PP'ers on most things, some have a point here, we shouldn't resort to reverse discrimination just because there's a growing tendency of normal discrimination in India.

Certain Indians may well be in denial but this selective news reporting isn't the solution to that problem, if anything it encourages their denial
 
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Plz elaborate!

Are you talking about the agents that India sends for murdering purposes or the weaponry that it provides to the SO CALLED TALIBANS

yes indians send people to kill ahmadis in pakistan and everything in balochostan and pakistan where every month bomb occurance is normal only because of india.

even hafeez saeed,dawood, osama bin laden, lashkar taiba etc are because of india that they are terrorist recognized by world.
we dnt need islamic country point of view for sure. There is a reason people apply for citizenship of india from pakistan even when india is third world country and indian muslims dnt apply citizenship of pakistan even it is islamic country.
India is thirld world i agree that ...but its difficult for everyone here because of poverty, jobless youth, politics,overpopulation , society etc etc but i dnt think religious thing is much problem.
 
if i say 5 are killed in the past 5 would you say thats fine?

1 or 2, murder means a murder...

They are harassed killed over NOTHING and its an open news, but what is more concerning is that dozens of females are victimized every day

Females victimized ?? dnt you think they get victimized all over subcontinent ? shud i share news of just yesterday of pakistan ?
https://www.dawn.com/news/1347085/10-minors-raped-killed-in-six-months-in-kasur-city
All these things are related because there is still alot of poor , uneducated ,jobless people live her.....
There is still many many problems pending rather than beef issue which is the smallest of issue.but politicians and media is like all muslims have been targeted because of beef.
 
You said probably his killers were Muslims too. That means you don't know either so you are also making assumptions to suit your own agenda. All we really know is that the official version that he was a gangster is being disputed by parties closer to the ground than we are.
This was covered in the Indian newspapers, besides being from Mumbai, I probably know more than the guy sitting in Dubai, mentioned in the OP

http://www.hindustantimes.com/mumba...-goes-viral/story-y4gTDy1miIG2ZuPcSW0PLM.html

http://m.ndtv.com/india-news/in-vid...-road-man-struck-27-times-with-swords-1727120
 
It could be a non religious issue. There are plenty of gangs in India killing each other. Just coz the victim was a Muslim does not make it a religiously motivated crime unless conclusive evidence can be provided.
 
Gang members usually has several alias names. It's quite common among them to get killed this way.

I am in India right now and not a day goes by without hearing someone getting killed over propert issues or past rivalry or Eve teasing or extra marital affairs.

It looks as though killing is the only answer to all problems in India.

Comin to Mr. Pathan, did the killers shouted Jai Shreeram or madePathan say Bharat Mata ki Jai before murdering him? That is what Hindu extremists do before lynching someone.

There should be investigation on this.
 
Naveed Pathan killed by Hindu Terrorists

Another day and another Muslim killed by Hindu's in India. That too in broad daylight.

It is quite obvious now that it is a policy decision of the government to allow these killings, which are now starting to seem like the beginnings of a genocide against Muslims in India.

The act was caught of CCTV, and the video puts into perspective how bad things really are. Please watch at your own risk. 18+ only.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FRMhrv1N4k
 
I don't get it. He wasn't exactly a symbol of Muslims, why choose him over any other Muslim. I'm inclined to agree with those calling it gang violence. However, if this is the Hindutva angle, India as predicted, is on a path of self - destruction
 
they should be hanged in front of media if indian government has guts.........

What would that achieve? There's no need for people to be exposed to violence which would only beget more violence. By all means, advocate the death penalty if you wish but public executions are no longer necessary
 
The last guy, in the blue top, who just kept going on and on - truly India is going to the dogs
 
The last guy, in the blue top, who just kept going on and on - truly India is going to the dogs

Let's be real, he was probably a grade-A criminal even before the current Prime Minister came on - as you're making everyone believe. People don't become killers overnight. Fact is these elements have always been prevalent in Indian society, it's just that the narrative surrounding them changes depending on what political motivation needs fulfilling.
 
Let's be real, he was probably a grade-A criminal even before the current Prime Minister came on - as you're making everyone believe. People don't become killers overnight. Fact is these elements have always been prevalent in Indian society, it's just that the narrative surrounding them changes depending on what political motivation needs fulfilling.
So instead of being a responsible govt that keeps psychopaths and hardcore criminals in check, you provide them an opportunity to exhibit their biases without any fear?
This is what happens when, in Modi's words, you let them "vent their anger" with no fear of reprisal.
 
First of all, I feel sick. I am disgusted to call myself a human, animals are more civilized than this. Second of all RIP to the victim, 3rd of all there is no proof this was actually a communal hindu vs muslim, the guy killed was apparently a gang member and these kind of killings within gang wars are common.
 
The orange/saffron shirts give them away.

Muslims need to arm themselves, concealed weaponry, it's the only way they can protect themselves, since the Butcher of Gujarat isn't gonna do anything to help
 
Let's be real, he was probably a grade-A criminal even before the current Prime Minister came on - as you're making everyone believe. People don't become killers overnight. Fact is these elements have always been prevalent in Indian society, it's just that the narrative surrounding them changes depending on what political motivation needs fulfilling.

Lets be clear on one thing, Pakistan and majority of other Muslim countries openly declare themselves to follow Islamic laws. Therefore, in a way, we can never be truly democratic because minority religions do not get a fair representation, and they are also discriminated against which the authorities cannot do much about.

Then there is the fact that our Religious text is often quoted out of context to give the impression that Muslims are out to kill anyone who isn't a Muslim. And this is used by foreign nations as propaganda and groups like Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Taliban etc. to breed extremism.

These are our short-comings that we get and we are punished for at all levels by the International community. i.e. stricter visa conditions for those who originate from a Muslim country.

Now let us compare this with India. India presents itself as a secular country, yet the majority voted for a far-right party and a leader who played a major role in the mass killings of Muslims in Gujrat.

Soon after, Nationalism, not as an Indian but as a Hindu, is on the rise. Being Indian now means being Hindu. ban on eating beef is to respect Hindu beliefs, much like laws in Muslim countries are to protect Islamic beliefs.

Anyone who is even suspected of breaking the beef ban is lynched by the mob, quite like the lynchings that take place in Pakistan just on the suspicion of blasphemy.

Women suffer abuse in both India and other Islamic countries and are often advised to compromise with their situation.

These are just a few similarities between a Secular and a Democratic Country i.e. India Shining, and Islamic countries pretending to be "Democratic". So why does the international community have a different set of rules for one and a completely different set of rules for another.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="et" dir="ltr">In <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash">#India</a> today extremist Hindus brutally killed (Lynched) a Muslim Body builder Naveed Pathan aka Naveed Iqbal aka Pappu. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Naveedpathan?src=hash">#Naveedpathan</a> <a href="https://t.co/xxWvxosbCO">pic.twitter.com/xxWvxosbCO</a></p>— Zain Khan (@ZKhanOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZKhanOfficial/status/888905291227705344">July 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Now let us compare this with India. India presents itself as a secular country, yet the majority voted for a far-right party and a leader who played a major role in the mass killings of Muslims in Gujrat.

Huge myth. Peel off the PR wrapper and you'll realize that we're no more or less secular than other countries of our kind.
 
Even if it wasn't religious this is terrible, bunch of savages......

I agree.

And all who are saying thank you Jinnah and thank god we have Pakistan etc. People in glass houses should not throw stones at others #SialkotLynching #Ahmedis Etc How can one politically point score over this brutality?!?
 
Havent you seen the video?

What ever the reasoning is, such brutal mob violence should not be excused or encouraged. Does not matter where it is!

Of course it is not encouraged. But at the same time the victim wasn't a commoner, he was a dreaded gangster with a dreaded criminal record who was out on bail. His actions decided his destiny.
 
I read somewhere he was a well known criminal which could mean it's most probably gang violence rather than Hindu-Muslim fight.
 
Of course it is not encouraged. But at the same time the victim wasn't a commoner, he was a dreaded gangster with a dreaded criminal record who was out on bail. His actions decided his destiny.

So you're a fan of Mob violence? Whatever he was, in no society should armed commoners who and hack someone to death.

It's that sort of thinking which led to 7 men gang raping a girl in a bus, cos she was travelling at night time and dressed in western clothes.
 
So you're a fan of Mob violence? Whatever he was, in no society should armed commoners who and hack someone to death.

It's that sort of thinking which led to 7 men gang raping a girl in a bus, cos she was travelling at night time and dressed in western clothes.

I disagree, in countries like India and Pakistan it's a dream come true when criminals fight each other to the death. Whilst guys like Modi and NS remain in charge, this is best respite for the inhabitants of those nations. Just because this guy was Muslim and the perpetrators were Hindu shouldn't blur the fact that they were criminals.
 
So you're a fan of Mob violence? Whatever he was, in no society should armed commoners who and hack someone to death.

It's that sort of thinking which led to 7 men gang raping a girl in a bus, cos she was travelling at night time and dressed in western clothes.

Let me put this in simple words.

Newton's third law: For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

For ex - If I punch you on your face, your action in turn against me won't be sweet. How about I blame the government or the police for not protecting me when you punch me back in return?

That guy pretty much took the risk of getting attacked or killed when he decided to get involved in crime, becoming a notorious gangster. The only way Modi government could have prevented this attack on him is by providing him security. And I don't think any country would offer security to a gangster who is out on bail. What can be done is bringing the attacks to justice, and I hope that happens.
 
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The victim was a gangster with a horrible criminal record.

He must have been a pretty low grade gangster if he can be bumped off by a few hooligans wielding swords and clubs just turning up out of the blue. Can't the gangsters afford guns in India?
 
Let me put this in simple words.

Newton's third law: For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

For ex - If I punch you on your face, your action in turn against me won't be sweet. How about I blame the government or the police for not protecting me when you punch me back in return?

That guy pretty much took the risk of getting attacked or killed when he decided to get involved in crime, becoming a notorious gangster. The only way Modi government could have prevented this attack on him is by providing him security. And I don't think any country would offer security to a gangster who is out on bail. What can be done is bringing the attacks to justice, and I hope that happens.

Newton's Third Law could be used as a justification for all acts of terrorism.

So Mumbai 2009 was just Newton's Third Law in action.

Cool story bro.
 
RIP.

Point scoring over someone's death as usual,posters doing anything to win an internet argument nowadays.
 
RIP.

Point scoring over someone's death as usual,posters doing anything to win an internet argument nowadays.

Did you see the video? It wasn't some old lady dying of pneumonia, it was a very savage attack in modern India. Ignore the communal angle if you like, which may well be unproven, but the attack itself shouldn't be witnessed on the streets of any civilised nation. Questions should be asked.
 
I unfortunately saw the video of this beating. It was horrific to put it mildly...a dude was beating someone who looked dead and bleeding out of everywhere with a stick/danda surrounded by a pool of blood. I don't know what the reasons were but no living thing on this planet deserves that.
 
It was a gang murder, I dont understand why everyone always calls murders like this a hate crime
 
Did you see the video? It wasn't some old lady dying of pneumonia, it was a very savage attack in modern India. Ignore the communal angle if you like, which may well be unproven, but the attack itself shouldn't be witnessed on the streets of any civilised nation. Questions should be asked.

It's a Savage attack, questions need to be asked about lawlessness in that area,the thread is merged now so the title by poster is hidden,but there is a title to see which is what I was talking about.
 
I saw the video and it was extremely cruel and terrorizing. I hope the criminals are caught and are handed down an exemplary punishment.

And if he was such a heinous criminal then why was he roaming freely in a market instead of being behind bars? If he was such a notorious gang member then why he had no weapons or men support with him?

After watching the video you can't imagine the reason of the rivalry. But couple of things are clear that he was hapless and unarmed and his killers were quite professional who came with a proper plan to kill him.

CCTV footage is quite clear, I hope our Indian friends will share the news here whenever these savages are caught and punished.
 
It's a Savage attack, questions need to be asked about lawlessness in that area,the thread is merged now so the title by poster is hidden,but there is a title to see which is what I was talking about.

Only difference between this and many other killings which don't generate as much disgust is that this one had CCTV. Can't fault the youtube generation if they think that things were peaceful earlier.
 
Only difference between this and many other killings which don't generate as much disgust is that this one had CCTV. Can't fault the youtube generation if they think that things were peaceful earlier.

Couldn't have put this better
 
He must have been a pretty low grade gangster if he can be bumped off by a few hooligans wielding swords and clubs just turning up out of the blue. Can't the gangsters afford guns in India?

This what I am thinking. In most places gang killings are very quick, usually done at night with a gun. Gangsters wouldn't want their faces shown in broad daylight or captured on tv. I think because he was big and strong it was easy to suggest he's a gangster, not many in India have such a physique.

Let;s hope the real story comes out soon.
 
The gangster theory has been denied by quite a few on social media, instead he's described as a professional bodybuilder.

I don't get why they'd probably have walked past hundreds of other Muslims just to target him? I understand the brutality because it's in India where people get attacked for selling beef, but there's little to suggest that this attack was motivated by Hindutva extremists.
 
I don't get why they'd probably have walked past hundreds of other Muslims just to target him? I understand the brutality because it's in India where people get attacked for selling beef, but there's little to suggest that this attack was motivated by Hindutva extremists.

That doesn't mean he's a gangster either. For all we know this could be for some comment he passed on social media, or perhaps he was involved with the wrong girl. It just seems odd that someone who was a professional bodybuilder would have time to be a gangster, usually those sort have more important business than to preen in bodybuilding competitions.

In any case if he was a gangster he must have been a pretty crap one. No gang members to protect him and his assailants didn't even bother taking guns in case he had any minders.
 
Ok it was a Gangsta killing, we got It.

Just like all those beef related killings, they were actually killed because of links with the underworld and not the food they eat.
 
I saw the video and it was extremely cruel and terrorizing. I hope the criminals are caught and are handed down an exemplary punishment.

And if he was such a heinous criminal then why was he roaming freely in a market instead of being behind bars? If he was such a notorious gang member then why he had no weapons or men support with him?

After watching the video you can't imagine the reason of the rivalry. But couple of things are clear that he was hapless and unarmed and his killers were quite professional who came with a proper plan to kill him.

CCTV footage is quite clear, I hope our Indian friends will share the news here whenever these savages are caught and punished.

I could not have said it better. He was killed so brazenly, whatever the motivations.

That's what would concern me more and then of course if he is such a career criminal how comes he was not behind bars ??

Doesn't make entire sense but I think some will be satisfied it was a gang on gang killing who deserved what he got and just move on.
 
I could not have said it better. He was killed so brazenly, whatever the motivations.

That's what would concern me more and then of course if he is such a career criminal how comes he was not behind bars ??

Doesn't make entire sense but I think some will be satisfied it was a gang on gang killing who deserved what he got and just move on.

He was out on bail. 30 cases including rape and murder. One killer has been arrested, and others identified, from a rival gang.
 
That doesn't mean he's a gangster either. For all we know this could be for some comment he passed on social media, or perhaps he was involved with the wrong girl. It just seems odd that someone who was a professional bodybuilder would have time to be a gangster, usually those sort have more important business than to preen in bodybuilding competitions.

In any case if he was a gangster he must have been a pretty crap one. No gang members to protect him and his assailants didn't even bother taking guns in case he had any minders.

As a Muslim in the UK I can empathise with some Indians on here when every other attack is linked to extremists within their religion.

When any attack is committed by a Muslim here, the first suspicion is of terrorism, and there's a similar theme now for mob violence in India. Not all mob violence is related to communal tensions and constantly attempting to draw that link shuts off the reasonable voices, some of whom are already in denial.

You could be right about the Facebook comment, or the honour killing aspect.
 
He was out on bail. 30 cases including rape and murder. One killer has been arrested, and others identified, from a rival gang.

And how the hell did he get bail on so many charges, especially rape and murder ?

Still doesn't all add up.
 
As a Muslim in the UK I can empathise with some Indians on here when every other attack is linked to extremists within their religion.

When any attack is committed by a Muslim here, the first suspicion is of terrorism, and there's a similar theme now for mob violence in India. Not all mob violence is related to communal tensions and constantly attempting to draw that link shuts off the reasonable voices, some of whom are already in denial.

You could be right about the Facebook comment, or the honour killing aspect.

I agree, this may well have nothing to do with religious tension and it's unfortunate when people jump to conclusions. But the official version that he is a gangster has been disputed so you have to allow that there maybe an alternative until we have further details. Perhaps he just a very crap gangster, who knows.
 
And how the hell did he get bail on so many charges, especially rape and murder ?

Still doesn't all add up.

This is not the UK where justice and law enforcement is near perfect, where a gangster would be in jail, and not allowed to be killed by rivals in broad daylight. There will be plenty of communally inspired killings, so him being a victim of secular killing is hardly a missed chance.
 
The weapons used and the manner in which they went about it reeks of classic Indian gang violence. This is prevalent all over India and has been for decades. Even in allegedly quiet Bangalore, it's been going on for years. I've personally witnessed one such attack (the victim survived) over a decade back in Bangalore.

LOL at those expressing outrage just because of his religion.
 
The weapons used and the manner in which they went about it reeks of classic Indian gang violence. This is prevalent all over India and has been for decades. Even in allegedly quiet Bangalore, it's been going on for years. I've personally witnessed one such attack (the victim survived) over a decade back in Bangalore.

LOL at those expressing outrage just because of his religion.

LOL even more at those who think chopping up people on the streets like buffalo wings is okay to pass off as everyday happenings in a civilised nation. RIP.
 
LOL even more at those who think chopping up people on the streets like buffalo wings is okay to pass off as everyday happenings in a civilised nation. RIP.

I'm not the one obsessed with passing off my country as a paragon of multiculturalism. :))

Never have been.
 
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