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Just for discussion purposes, given the plight of the PCB finances in comparison to the Big 5 and the fact we constantly have to spend out of pocket to play in the UAE, if Ehsan Mani and Imran Khan were to launch a world wide donation appeal to Pakistan Cricket fans around the world requesting them to donate whatever they wanted to the PCB so that the PCB could make the urgent necessary investments in Pakistan Cricket so that it can maximize its chances to catch up with the Big 5 and not be dependent on the BCCI for a series.

Will the passionate Pak Cricket fans be charitable and willing to donate? Can the PCB realistically generate enormous funds to significantly urgently uplift its cricket on a war footing?

Please note this is not like the billion dollars needed for the Dam Fund
 
Yes absolutely... so that they get more chances to cash in more public money then they already have.

Look at the PCB management they definitely need more money to manage more useless people than they already have.

throwing money at everything won't solve the problem first have a non corrupt mindset then look at money aspect.
 
It would depend on what the PCB considers by investment in Pakistan cricket and how transparent the process would be. I would worry less about joining the big 5 whoever they are, and try to improve the domestic game and regionalise it. The grassroots need to be fixed, then in time that should start producing quality cricketers.
 
There should be transparency ofcourse where a special audit report should be required to explain how the donated funds were spent
 
Savak said:
There should be transparency ofcourse where a special audit report should be required to explain how the donated funds were spent
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first show transparency of current $$ where they were spent. Provide clean PSL accounts to where the $$ went then ask for more.

Provide what the designated person (coach/manager/director and so on) has done at his job? performance review?
 
Money from overseas Pakistanis wouldn't make the Pakistani team do any better in South Africa.

India and Australia have all the money in the world, yet both have lost to this team (RSA) in the last year alone, and Australia have shelled a number of home series as well against them.
 
Honestly if this happened I would never donate and would also actively encourage other people to not donate as well.

The PCB has much more money than most people think and they’ve also got the PSL. If the PCB was run properly then they wouldn’t be all these issues in Pakistan cricket.
 
Varun said:
Money from overseas Pakistanis wouldn't make the Pakistani team do any better in South Africa.

India and Australia have all the money in the world, yet both have lost to this team (RSA) in the last year alone, and Australia have shelled a number of home series as well against them.
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The goal shouldn't just be about short term results, but to build a self-sustaining and healthy sport at local level. India and Australia's results go up and down, but their domestic structure is relatively strong. I would imagine if for some reason they got banned from competing in international cricket, the game could still be self-sustaining, if at a lower level.
 
The responses thread is proof of how unpatriotic Pakistani fans are
 
Savak said:
The responses thread is proof of how unpatriotic Pakistani fans are
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Unpatriotic because they don't want to flush money down the bottomless pit that is the PCB? Cute.

Cricket and money have been synonymous since the 1990s, and it's not so much about the quality of the game as it is about marketing. Pakistan have a cricket crazy population of 200 million + people, and if the PCB have no idea how to assemble a watchable bunch of players as a functional cricket team at the higher and lower levels to kickstart a self sustaining business model, no amount of money is going to help them. You might as well use it to start a taxi company in Antarctica.
 
These type of charity projects don’t work. Look at how the dam project fell flat on its face.

Initially, people are very motivated, but the energy and patriotism dissipates quickly.
 
Mamoon said:
These type of charity projects don’t work. Look at how the dam project fell flat on its face.

Initially, people are very motivated, but the energy and patriotism dissipates quickly.
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There is a difference between raising $15 billion and raising $500 million
 
Savak said:
There is a difference between raising $15 billion and raising $500 million
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$500 million is still too much. We also need to consider that only people who are interested in Pakistan cricket will be willing to give money to the PCB.
 
the money probably won't even be used for any of the reasons you specified...

instead it'll be used to fund trips to switzerland or other places for the higher ups in pcb
 
Mamoon said:
$500 million is still too much. We also need to consider that only people who are interested in Pakistan cricket will be willing to give money to the PCB.
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We have a huge fan base of 200 million people. If every one donates $2.5 that will translate into $500 million for the PCB.
 
Savak said:
We have a huge fan base of 200 million people. If every one donates $2.5 that will translate into $500 million for the PCB.
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If people are so interested in Pakistani cricket then why not tap the same 200M for TV broadcast and make each year $500M?

Not able to make enough money in cricket mad country with 200M population says a lot more about PCB here. You need to fix that and everything will follow.
 
Savak said:
We have a huge fan base of 200 million people. If every one donates $2.5 that will translate into $500 million for the PCB.
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Out of the 200 million people, around 100 million people don’t care about cricket and around 40% people live below the poverty line.
 
Why are Pakistanis obsessed with short sighted solutions for deep rooted problems? You cannot crowdsource infrastructure. Solution for gangrenous limb is amputation not first aid. IK and CJP are misleading the nation that these things are feasible when they are clearly not.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1419554/donating-for-dams

PCB is a profit seeking entity therefore should not be subject to tax exemptions or bail out from public money, directly or indirectly. Same applies to BCCI and their brawl with ICC over tax exemptions. If you are earning money in India, you will pay tax to the government.

I'll gladly give money for a local sports centre to bring new equipment for the next gen of Olympians but definitely not for cricket.
 
I arrived in Pakistan three weeks ago and I see a serious decline in cricket. I dont see kids playing cricket anymore - there’s virtually no street cricket (maybe its winter). The cricket passion is missing. I haven’t really bothered to check the ongoing Pak vs SA series like many local people. People dont even know Pak vs SA is going on. Everyone’s busy on tiktok. Only overseas Pakistanis tend to care more about domestic problems (politics, governments, cricket). Local people dont seem to give a damn about the country anymore like overseas people.
 
Why should we donate our money to solve the PCB mess ? They are responsible for Pakistan cricket. So they need to use the profits made to invest in domestic cricket and at grassroots level.
 
Why should people donate to an organisation that is wasting money on providing freebies to journalists, wastes money on the PSL and employs quite a few unprofessional and incompetent people.
 
Saj said:
Why should people donate to an organisation that is wasting money on providing freebies to journalists, wastes money on the PSL and employs quite a few unprofessional and incompetent people.
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Ehsan Mani, Wasim Khan and most importantly Imran Khan are now there to fix things. We must support them to the best of our abilities.
 
Mamoon said:
Out of the 200 million people, around 100 million people don’t care about cricket and around 40% people live below the poverty line.
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Was just using the population figure to prove the statistical possibility of the objective. To say half the population does not care about cricket is far fetched. As a nation we have the highest philanthropic stats in the world and everyone talks about cricket at the lunch, snack or dinner table. The PCB can easily tap into these people for help if they promote it correctly.
 
Ganju Baba said:
Why are Pakistanis obsessed with short sighted solutions for deep rooted problems? You cannot crowdsource infrastructure. Solution for gangrenous limb is amputation not first aid. IK and CJP are misleading the nation that these things are feasible when they are clearly not.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1419554/donating-for-dams

PCB is a profit seeking entity therefore should not be subject to tax exemptions or bail out from public money, directly or indirectly. Same applies to BCCI and their brawl with ICC over tax exemptions. If you are earning money in India, you will pay tax to the government.

I'll gladly give money for a local sports centre to bring new equipment for the next gen of Olympians but definitely not for cricket.
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Infrastructure is different. Raising donations for $15 billion is a different matter versus a target of $100-$500 million
 
UP said:
I arrived in Pakistan three weeks ago and I see a serious decline in cricket. I dont see kids playing cricket anymore - there’s virtually no street cricket (maybe its winter). The cricket passion is missing. I haven’t really bothered to check the ongoing Pak vs SA series like many local people. People dont even know Pak vs SA is going on. Everyone’s busy on tiktok. Only overseas Pakistanis tend to care more about domestic problems (politics, governments, cricket). Local people dont seem to give a damn about the country anymore like overseas people.
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To be very honest, this is a side effect of zero stars in the team. Also Pakistani's are evolving, the educated, upper middle class are more into football, video games, mixed martial arts, going to the gym.

Lower class is still into cricket but surprised there is zero street cricket
 
Buffet said:
If people are so interested in Pakistani cricket then why not tap the same 200M for TV broadcast and make each year $500M?

Not able to make enough money in cricket mad country with 200M population says a lot more about PCB here. You need to fix that and everything will follow.
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PCB hands are tide given that the quality of players we are producing are just not up to the mark, our performances are not up to the mark to demand advertisers to give a massive bill. Also local broadcasters for now are exploiting their monopoly position and do whatever they can to low ball the PCB as they tried to do with the PSL.

Given the Boycott of the PCB by the BCCI and international teams, hardcare Pakistan Cricket fans must take it upon themselves to help the PCB out.
 
Savak said:
PCB hands are tide given that the quality of players we are producing are just not up to the mark, our performances are not up to the mark to demand advertisers to give a massive bill. Also local broadcasters for now are exploiting their monopoly position and do whatever they can to low ball the PCB as they tried to do with the PSL.

Given the Boycott of the PCB by the BCCI and international teams, hardcare Pakistan Cricket fans must take it upon themselves to help the PCB out.
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they can start off by saving money and not playing in the uae....instead play in zimbabwe to cut costs
 
Chokli said:
they can start off by saving money and not playing in the uae....instead play in zimbabwe to cut costs
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UAE is closest in location to Pakistan, Zimbabwe is further and more costly.
 
Savak said:
Infrastructure is different. Raising donations for $15 billion is a different matter versus a target of $100-$500 million
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It is still a huge sum of money and it is not for the benefit of the masses. Though this is a cricket forum, at the end of the day, cricket is a form of entertainment not a public cause, PCB is a corrupt profit seeking entity and those $100-500 million can be spent elsewhere.

You are better off biding your time till things, especially economy and terrorism are better. No amount of money will help you unless accountability is there and there is no such thing as accountability in the subcontinent,even less so in Pakistan.
 
Ganju Baba said:
It is still a huge sum of money and it is not for the benefit of the masses. Though this is a cricket forum, at the end of the day, cricket is a form of entertainment not a public cause, PCB is a corrupt profit seeking entity and those $100-500 million can be spent elsewhere.

You are better off biding your time till things, especially economy and terrorism are better. No amount of money will help you unless accountability is there and there is no such thing as accountability in the subcontinent,even less so in Pakistan.
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Fans will do anything for entertainment and nothing will please them than the national team doing well and beating the top teams in the world.
 
Savak said:
Ehsan Mani, Wasim Khan and most importantly Imran Khan are now there to fix things. We must support them to the best of our abilities.
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Let's see the changes first.

I have seen PCB waste a lot of money and for that reason alone I would not expect fans to give money to the Board.
 
Savak said:
Fans will do anything for entertainment and nothing will please them than the national team doing well and beating the top teams in the world.
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We are living in the ever stretching golden age of entertainment. So no.

Their team can beat top teams anywhere on the planet. With umpteen issues plaguing your country and mine, nobody is losing their sleep over cricket except a few fan boys.
 
yes, in fact this plan should be launched in Ramadan when Pakistani's are giving maximum Zakat. There are few charities as needy and as deserving as Pakistan Cricket
 
Whose responsibility is it to provide security for the visiting teams? Is it GOP or PCB or both in conjunction? PCB is doing really bad ever since the terror attack in 2009. Wondering why GOP can't provide some stability to PCB by funding and helping financially.
 
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If PCB needs crwodfunding then it means that those who run PCB are not competent to run PCB.
 
latecut said:
If PCB needs crwodfunding then it means that those who run PCB are not competent to run PCB.
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I think this is something more in the heads of some posters than a PCB policy!
 
This is the most ridiculous notion I have heard. Why would people donate money for PCB? Even comparisons with the dam fund are absurd, that was a for an impending humanitarian crises which could cost millions of lives not for a sport.
 
Savak said:
We have a huge fan base of 200 million people. If every one donates $2.5 that will translate into $500 million for the PCB.
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Are you even serious? You want people to stop feeding their families and instead donate their hard earned money to PCB?
 
So how does this work?

First you turn cricket into an elite sport, and then ask Pakistanis, a vast majority of whom are dirt poor and live hand to mouth, to donate money.

Radical stuff.
 
Yea. Donations will turn our cricketers in to match winners in SA & Aus? Ridiculous idea.
 
AMSS said:
So how does this work?

First you turn cricket into an elite sport, and then ask Pakistanis, a vast majority of whom are dirt poor and live hand to mouth, to donate money.

Radical stuff.
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And then sue the BCCI, expect to lose the case, and negotiate a 50-year repayment plan. :batman:
 
Savak said:
Was just using the population figure to prove the statistical possibility of the objective. To say half the population does not care about cricket is far fetched. As a nation we have the highest philanthropic stats in the world and everyone talks about cricket at the lunch, snack or dinner table. The PCB can easily tap into these people for help if they promote it correctly.
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I was actually quite generous with my 100 million figure. The fact is that nearly 80% of the population are causal followers of the game - they do not watch Test cricket and don’t care about domestic cricket either.

Their investment in cricket is limited to watching T20s and a bit of ODI cricket. These fans will never be willing to give PCB charity.

You might be able to extract funds from the hardcore followers, but they are in the minority. Either way, this is an impractical idea.
 
A board derives its money from the public through subtle ways, viz by selling its cricket to the public and media. Making people to part with their hard earned money is not as easy as it seems to some.
 
UP said:
I arrived in Pakistan three weeks ago and I see a serious decline in cricket. I dont see kids playing cricket anymore - there’s virtually no street cricket (maybe its winter). The cricket passion is missing. I haven’t really bothered to check the ongoing Pak vs SA series like many local people. People dont even know Pak vs SA is going on. Everyone’s busy on tiktok. Only overseas Pakistanis tend to care more about domestic problems (politics, governments, cricket). Local people dont seem to give a damn about the country anymore like overseas people.
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That is what happens when you don't reinvest in the game. When Pakistan was flying high, everyone wanted a piece of that pie, but the domestic game didn't have the same glamour or kickback opportunities. Since the WOT has decimated the international game for Pakistan, there is no domestic structure to fall back on, and local cricket fans will probably watch IPL instead. Pakistan cricket has become the mirror image of Lollywood's relationship to Bollywood due to sheer neglect and short term greed above all else.
 
I am sorry to say this but why are some Pakistanis so intent in asking for handouts. Sense of entitlement is astonishing. PCB is a for profit organization and they need to make their money on their own. With 200 million captive market whose major sport is the one you are developing is not good enough for PCB they are incompetent buffoons and don't deserve a penny of their remuneration. No one should be giving a penny of handout to PCB. I can understand they appealing fans to attend matches but asking money outright is scandalous
 
Instead of do ating hard earned money of sports boards, this can be used for better things like donating to poor
 
Varun said:
Money from overseas Pakistanis wouldn't make the Pakistani team do any better in South Africa.

India and Australia have all the money in the world, yet both have lost to this team (RSA) in the last year alone, and Australia have shelled a number of home series as well against them.
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Didn't India drop key players like Rahane and Bhuvi in some of the South Africa matches?

I feel poor leadership is preventing team India from reaching their full potential. Coach like Shastri and a limited captain like Kohli aren't doing you guys any good.
 
The PCB needs to market the cause in the right manner highlighting

- The BCCI conspiracy to ensure Pakistan Cricket remains impoverished and the impact it has no tv broadcast rights

- The Western Boards refusal to tour Pakistan because they don't want anything to do with a third world country unless it is financially beneficial for them and the impact it has on tv broadcast rights

- The fact that our stadiums are in disarray, the pitches in domestic cricket has reduced the quality of cricketers we are producing, the PCB is unable to fund development of the game i.e. establishment of high quality academies all over the country with a massive proliferation of training facilities, bio mechanics and bowling machines, inability to higher outside coaches and ex legends at the highest possible market salaries

- Need to expand the PSL and introduce higher payments to intice global super stars

These points will surely convince passionate Pakistani Cricket fans inside Pakistan and outside Pakistan to donate to shore up the PCB finances in efforts to speedtrack the urgent upliftment of Pakistan Cricket so that the evil designs of the Indians especially that the gap between Pakistan Cricket and the rest of the world get wider and wider can be defeated
 
Savak said:
UAE is closest in location to Pakistan, Zimbabwe is further and more costly.
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i think it would end up being less than UAE... not to mention it'll help our cricket.

our batsmen looked better in zimbabwe than uae
 
Savak said:
The PCB needs to market the cause in the right manner highlighting

- The BCCI conspiracy to ensure Pakistan Cricket remains impoverished and the impact it has no tv broadcast rights

- The Western Boards refusal to tour Pakistan because they don't want anything to do with a third world country unless it is financially beneficial for them and the impact it has on tv broadcast rights

- The fact that our stadiums are in disarray, the pitches in domestic cricket has reduced the quality of cricketers we are producing, the PCB is unable to fund development of the game i.e. establishment of high quality academies all over the country with a massive proliferation of training facilities, bio mechanics and bowling machines, inability to higher outside coaches and ex legends at the highest possible market salaries

- Need to expand the PSL and introduce higher payments to intice global super stars

These points will surely convince passionate Pakistani Cricket fans inside Pakistan and outside Pakistan to donate to shore up the PCB finances in efforts to speedtrack the urgent upliftment of Pakistan Cricket so that the evil designs of the Indians especially that the gap between Pakistan Cricket and the rest of the world get wider and wider can be defeated
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I don't think you are getting it. Pakistani cricket needs to be self-funding, you can't demand other countries boards to give you a better deal. Pakistan is luckier than most in that it has a large population where the favourite sport is still cricket. It's up to the PCB to work out how to turn that into a commercial success, otherwise what is the point of the organisation?
 
Savak said:
The PCB needs to market the cause in the right manner highlighting

- The BCCI conspiracy to ensure Pakistan Cricket remains impoverished and the impact it has no tv broadcast rights

- The Western Boards refusal to tour Pakistan because they don't want anything to do with a third world country unless it is financially beneficial for them and the impact it has on tv broadcast rights

- The fact that our stadiums are in disarray, the pitches in domestic cricket has reduced the quality of cricketers we are producing, the PCB is unable to fund development of the game i.e. establishment of high quality academies all over the country with a massive proliferation of training facilities, bio mechanics and bowling machines, inability to higher outside coaches and ex legends at the highest possible market salaries

- Need to expand the PSL and introduce higher payments to intice global super stars

These points will surely convince passionate Pakistani Cricket fans inside Pakistan and outside Pakistan to donate to shore up the PCB finances in efforts to speedtrack the urgent upliftment of Pakistan Cricket so that the evil designs of the Indians especially that the gap between Pakistan Cricket and the rest of the world get wider and wider can be defeated
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What a sook.

The BCCI not touring/playing Pakistan can be the best thing that can happen to the PCB long term. Unlike the equally corrupt SLC, they can't expect a periodic payday to hit them while chilling on their couches - they actually need to roll up their sleeves and do some actual work. They have a population of 200M who watch/play no other sport so that's a start.

So if I were you, the only thing I'd crowdfund is to ban any talk of India visiting Pakistan/UAE. It's for the greater good, but there needs to be a follow through.
 
I think a better plan would be make sure the PCB actually runs properly first and then we can think off asking for donations when all other options have been exhausted.

The board is extremely incompetent and it seems to be turning a blind eye to the uncountable issues in Pakistan cricket.

Why would any one want to donate to people like these
 
maybe the pcb officials should cut their salaries and other cost cutting measures for the betterment of pakistan cricket
 
I won't be contributing anything. I am not supporting a bunch of losers.
 
Ganju Baba said:
It is still a huge sum of money and it is not for the benefit of the masses. Though this is a cricket forum, at the end of the day, cricket is a form of entertainment not a public cause, PCB is a corrupt profit seeking entity and those $100-500 million can be spent elsewhere.

You are better off biding your time till things, especially economy and terrorism are better. No amount of money will help you unless accountability is there and there is no such thing as accountability in the subcontinent,even less so in Pakistan.
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Very good post. Hard to imagine that cricket needs $500 million in donations when there is so much need in other areas.
 
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