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Following a fatal physical clash between Chinese and Indian border defense troops in the Galwan Valley region, some extreme anti-China groups and individuals in India have been promoting a China "boycott."

The Swadeshi Jagran Manch (SJM), an affiliate of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), on Tuesday renewed their demand for "an economic boycott of China and Chinese products," Outlook India Magazine reported. The anti-China group is calling for India to launch frictions with China "in trade and investment." That irresponsible call has been echoed by a handful of Indian celebrities with large numbers of followers. Some in India are enthusiastically promoting hostility toward China for their own interests, though they likely account for just a small percentage of India's vast population. They have called for a China boycott each time an issue has arisen between the two neighbors, placing bilateral ties in a dangerous position.

Rational voices in India have repeatedly pointed out that it is unrealistic and self-destructive for Asia's third-largest economy to launch frictions with the largest economy in the region. And blindly associating border issues with investments and trade is illogical. The rational majority in the South Asian nation - particularly those involved in economic development and politics - is unlikely to allow anti-China groups to incite hatred, escalate border issues or interrupt economic ties with China.

While assessing the new tensions at the border, India should understand that China's restraint is not weak. The two nations should cherish their precious development opportunities and maintain good bilateral ties. It would be extremely dangerous for India to allow anti-China groups to stir public opinion, thus escalating tensions. The priority now for both sides and the region is to accelerate economic recovery.

The global economy is faced with great uncertainty amid the coronavirus pandemic. With mounting pressure on economies this year, economic development on both sides will inevitably suffer huge losses if China and India allow border tensions to escalate.

According to UNCTAD's World Investment Report 2020 issued on Monday, global foreign direct investment (FDI) flows are forecast to decrease by up to 40 percent in 2020, down from their 2019 $1.54 trillion value, while investment flows to developing countries in Asia could fall up to 45 percent in 2020.

As a developing country, India needs to concentrate on development while there are huge uncertainties around the world. Developing countries are more vulnerable during the pandemic. If border tensions escalate and adverse factors increase, investment may withdraw.

India currently has the fourth most confirmed COVID-19 cases in the world, but it is not continuing its lockdown. That shows its economy is facing great pressure - particularly when it comes the country's large number of people living in poverty. Many face immediate threat to survival if they lose their jobs during the lockdown.

India's exports in May fell 36.5 percent year-on-year, while imports plunged 51.1 percent year-on-year. It was the eighth consecutive month that Indian exports fell, according to media reports.

The space for economic cooperation between China and India is vast. Economic and trade cooperation is of great significance to the economic development of both countries, and to overcoming difficulties. It is also of great significance to the regional and global economies in overcoming the impact of the pandemic.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1191935.shtml
 
I think you need to share the title of the article as the title of the thread:

India should curb ‘boycott China’ voices after border clash

The above is what China is saying its precious Modi to do, sounds more like an order.
 
JaDed said:
I think you need to share the title of the article as the title of the thread:

India should curb ‘boycott China’ voices after border clash

The above is what China is saying its precious Modi to do, sounds more like an order.
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But its a biased view.

I am looking for a counterview
 
Many countries buy from China. So, I don't think China will be too affected in the long run (unless other countries start to boycott China too).
 
People need to realize it is not a one way street with China like probably most other smaller sc nations.

India has a lot of trade depending on China as well. If there is a full boycott coming from 2 of the worlds largest economies one way or the other there is no good that will come out of it.

This isn’t about India will suffer more or China but it will be a huge hole in the pockets of both countries.

What India can do is regulate Chinese investments. If that is not already in place maybe make it difficult for them to penetrate the market.

This isn’t ancient or medieval period people, conflicts may impact trade and other diplomatic exchanges but it won’t stop them.

They are parallels that will go on even if there is a conflict. Yes if this becomes a global war then that would be a different scenario.
 
Local.Dada said:
People need to realize it is not a one way street with China like probably most other smaller sc nations.

India has a lot of trade depending on China as well. If there is a full boycott coming from 2 of the worlds largest economies one way or the other there is no good that will come out of it.

This isn’t about India will suffer more or China but it will be a huge hole in the pockets of both countries.

What India can do is regulate Chinese investments. If that is not already in place maybe make it difficult for them to penetrate the market.

This isn’t ancient or medieval period people, conflicts may impact trade and other diplomatic exchanges but it won’t stop them.

They are parallels that will go on even if there is a conflict. Yes if this becomes a global war then that would be a different scenario.
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Should we gift them entire Ladakh as a peaceful gesture so Gujaratis and traders can keep trading?
 
JaDed said:
Should we gift them entire Ladakh as a peaceful gesture so Gujaratis and traders can keep trading?
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Again why does everything have to be an extreme conclusion. How about Ladakh conflict continues till it is settled one way or the other and traders keep trading.

India and Pak have been at each other’s throats for 70+ years. Apart from cricket and a few Pakistani artists what has stopped?
 
JaDed said:
Should we gift them entire Ladakh as a peaceful gesture so Gujaratis and traders can keep trading?
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You let go of harnal village, and you are better off now. Treat it as sunk cost. You don't throw good money after bad money.
 
Local.Dada said:
Again why does everything have to be an extreme conclusion. How about Ladakh conflict continues till it is settled one way or the other and traders keep trading.

India and Pak have been at each other’s throats for 70+ years. Apart from cricket and a few Pakistani artists what has stopped?
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https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/foreign-trade/pakistan-says-trade-with-india-plunges-significantly/articleshow/73544675.cms?from=mdr

CricketCartoons said:
You let go of harnal village, and you are better off now. Treat it as sunk cost. You don't throw good money after bad money.
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What is good money if we have a growing deficit? And my family were villagers then but they made sure they joined the army later.
 
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MenInG said:
Interesting from a Chinese pov

===Rational voices in India have repeatedly pointed out that it is unrealistic and self-destructive for Asia's third-largest economy to launch frictions with the largest economy in the region. And blindly associating border issues with investments and trade is illogical. The rational majority in the South Asian nation - particularly those involved in economic development and politics - is unlikely to allow anti-China groups to incite hatred, escalate border issues or interrupt economic ties with China.

While assessing the new tensions at the border, India should understand that China's restraint is not weak. The two nations should cherish their precious development opportunities and maintain good bilateral ties. It would be extremely dangerous for India to allow anti-China groups to stir public opinion, thus escalating tensions. The priority now for both sides and the region is to accelerate economic recovery.
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India can live quite quite well without toys like Chinese smartphones. Much of Indian industry gets inputs from China, but this supply chain can be replaced over time.

China is currently having Huawei 5G locked of out various markets, including the US. I assume Huawei 5G will be kicked out of India. We will quite happily get 5G from a US or a European firm even if it is costlier.

The fact is China's trade with most countries is heavily tilted towards export of manufactured Chinese consumer products, so shutting out trade from China will not affect India much. Yeah, it will be more expensive to buy balloons and smartphones, but obviously Indians will not trade with a country that kills its soldiers.

MIG, this is the counterview.
 
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Protesters attempt to gather at Chinese embassy in New Delhi

Anti-China protests have broken out across various cities in India following a clash high in the Himalayas between the world's two most populated countries that killed 20 Indian soldiers.

In New Delhi, protesters who tried to demonstrate near the Chinese embassy were swiftly detained by police and escorted away in buses, according to the Associated Press news agency.

Protesters called for a boycott of Chinese-made products and in Lucknow and Mumbai many gathered to smash phones and burn other electronics that were made in China.
 
New Delhi: The Telecom department has decided to rule out the use of Chinese equipment in the upgradation of the 4G equipment of the state-owned Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited or BSNL. Sources in the government said the ministry has decided to "firmly tell BSNL" not to use Chinese equipment in view if security issues. Sources said the department has also decided to rework the tender in this regard. The government is also considering asking private operators to reduce their dependence on equipment made by Chinese firms.
Telecom companies like Bharti Airtel and Vodafone Idea have been working with Huawei in their current networks, while ZTE works with state-run BSNL.

The government's decision came amid a huge tension at Ladakh, where 20 Indian soldiers were killed in a clash with Chinese troops on Monday evening. This was the first time in nearly five decades that fatalities were reported at the Line of Actual Control, the de facto border with China.

The network security of equipment made by Chinese companies are always doubtful, sources told NDTV.

In 2012, a committee of US lawmakers warned of cyber espionage threats from telecom networks built by Chinese companies and suggested that American companies considering to do business with Huawei and ZTE should look for other vendors. The Chinese companies had strongly denied the accusations.

Two years later, parliament was told that Chinese telecom equipment maker Huawei has allegedly hacked into the BSNL network and the government is investigating the matter.

In February, during US President Donald Trump's visit to India, Mukesh Ambani had assured him that Reliance Jio will not have a single Chinese network part in its upcoming 5G network.Reliance Jio is the only network in the world that doesn't use Chinese equipment, Mr Ambani told Mr Trump. Jio has South Korea's Samsung as a networking partner for both its 4G and 5G networks.

Upgradation of 4G facilities is part of the BSNL's revival package and earlier this year, there was a tug of war between BSNL employees and the government over the latter's insistence on the use of homegrown firms to boost its Make in India policy. The BSNL employees had pointed out that all its competitors -- Bharati Airtel, Vodafone and Reliance Jio -- were using equipment from multinationals.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/gov...kh-clash-sources-2247969?pfrom=home-topscroll
 
New Delhi: There's been a clamour for boycotting Chinese products amid a border stand-off with People's Liberation Army (PLA) at the LAC (Line of Actual Control) and criticism over Beijing's handling of the Covid-19 pandemic.

As per Times Social media team, there had been approximately 47,000 mentions on the hashtag #BoycottChina and 2,31,000 mentions on the hashtag #BoycottChineseProducts on the microblogging platform --Twitter-- between May 28 and June 1, 2020. However, amidst this clarion call across the country, how realistic is it for India on the economic front and would it be so easy to do away with China completely? Here is a look at what is at stake for Indians economically viz-a-viz. China:

Private Indian companies with major Chinese Investments - as per a March 2020 report published by Gateway House, 'Indian Council on Global Relations', lists major Indian companies with substantial holdings from Chinese investors. China's tech company and VC (Venture Capitalist) investments in India account for more than $ 3,600 million or $3.6 billion on one hand, while on the other hand, the report also states that most "Indian VC financiers are wealthy individuals or family offices – and cannot make the $100-million commitments needed to finance start-ups through their early losses," the report says.

"For instance, Paytm incurred a loss of Rs 3,690 crore in FY19 while Flipkart lost Rs 3,837 crore over the year, which leaves western and Chinese investors as dominant players in the Indian start-up space," it added.

Most Indian companies with Chinese investments are E-commerce retail service providers offering doorstep delivery for customers. An e-commerce ecosystem consists of sellers, marketers and payment solution providers, the company, logistics partners and IT/ITeS organizations. A 2018 report by KPMG India states that “E-tail and the allied sectors, like logistics, warehousing, IT/ITeS” are expected to create direct employment for around 1.45 million people by 2021. With the world grappled with COVID-19 pandemic and Indian government’s push towards online deliveries, this number is expected to be much higher. Also, the amount of job and financial losses in case Chinese investors pull out of Indian companies is sizeable and cannot be ignored.

China in India’s' digital sector – Apps with Chinese investments constituted a substantial 50% of top app downloads (both iOS and G Play combined) which includes web browsers, data sharing and social media apps as per the Gateway house report. Also, as of October 2019, a browser with Chinese investment was said to have a "sizeable market share of 17.09% in the mobile browser market space and it also led the mobile phone segment in India with 21.38% market share". Not only this, but Chinese companies have also made sizeable investments in streaming services used in India such as apps for songs and OTT platforms. This certainly states that China already has deep roots in tech India which is growing substantially day by day.

Chinese FDI into India - As per the Indian governments' department for promotion of Industry and International Trade, China's FDI equity inflows in India was a meager 0.01% at US$ 2.91 million of the total FDI into India for the period between August 1991 to December 2005. The present FDI inflows from China to India stand at 0.51% at US $ 2,378.71 million of total FDI into India for the period April 2000 to March 2020. India has seen some of the highest FDI inflows from China from 2014 to 2019 as per the FDI statistics. The table below lists China's FDI inflows into India over the last 13 years.

FDI

Is India in a position to let go of the FDI inflows from China in case the Boycott China movement becomes a success especially at a time when the entire world is grappled with an economic crisis brought down by COVID 19 pandemic and prospects for new FDI inflows are difficult in the near future.

Import-Export scenario with China and the trade deficit – As per the Trade statistics published in the Indian government's Ministry of Commerce and Trade website, China had a 5.08% share in India's exports for the year 2018-19 and a 13.8% share in India's imports for the year 2018-19. India's trade balance with China stood at the negative $184,000.33 million for the year 2018-19.

Also, as per a report by MVIRDC (Visvesvaraya Industrial Research and Development Centre) World Trade Centre Mumbai, in Jan 2020, published in CMIE (Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy Pvt.

Ltd.), India's trade deficit with China stood at USD 53.56 billion in 2018-19. This report had also identified 20 products that had an export potential worth US $ 82 billion to China which would help reduce India's trade deficit with the country as well as enhancing India's market share for these products in China. However, with the humongous Boycott China call and the building border tensions at the LAC, would the Indian government be willing to let go of this opportunity. Also, is the Indian economy well prepared to account for the huge trade deficit with China and does India have an alternative market for a surplus of products/services which India exports to China as of now?

While the Indian sentiment would always be in support of the Indian army and as Defence Minister Rajnath Singh has very rightfully iterated that the government will not allow India's pride to be hurt under any circumstances, Indians and the Indian government have a lot to think about before they take any stringent action towards boycotting Chinese made products as there is a lot at stake for India as well.

https://www.timesnownews.com/busine...o-boycott-chinese-products-investments/606752
 
#WeStandWithIndianArmy trends on India Twitter

Indians have taken to social media to express their anger and grief over China killing 20 soldiers, while four others are reported to be critical.

Hashtag 'We Stand With Indian Army' trends on Twitter, with many calling for revenge and others asking for a boycott of Chinese products.
 
JaDed said:
Any country killing our soldiers and dominating us should be allowed to take over Indian companies?
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There is already a law which prevents neighbouring countries from investing more than a limit. There is no takeover happening. By the way you will be surprised to know many "indian" companies are actually foreign owned.

back to the previous question: How is no trade better than a trade deficit?
 
CricketCartoons said:
There is already a law which prevents neighbouring countries from investing more than a limit. There is no takeover happening. By the way you will be surprised to know many "indian" companies are actually foreign owned.

back to the previous question: How is no trade better than a trade deficit?
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We have trade deficit with many countries, Point is consideration should be taken based on relations as well.

This is the scenario:

Trade deficit+Soldier Killed +Losing Land+zero support in UN

What else are you looking for? Also I have an idea about foreign money in Indian business , my point is on China.
 
MenInG said:
#WeStandWithIndianArmy trends on India Twitter

Indians have taken to social media to express their anger and grief over China killing 20 soldiers, while four others are reported to be critical.

Hashtag 'We Stand With Indian Army' trends on Twitter, with many calling for revenge and others asking for a boycott of Chinese products.
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Have there been any war rooms and plans shown to attack China like there was after Pulwama? Or has the playground bully gone tuss.
 
In year 2020, no country can afford to boycott economically China.

Big companies don't care about fake nationalism.

USA is way powerful than India and Trump didn't boycott jack despite all his blabbering.
 
JaDed said:
We have trade deficit with many countries, Point is consideration should be taken based on relations as well.

This is the scenario:

Trade deficit+Soldier Killed +Losing Land+zero support in UN

What else are you looking for? Also I have an idea about foreign money in Indian business , my point is on China.
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More soldiers have been killed when engaging with pakistan, but there is still trade and relations were decent for two enemy nations in the last decade. Did you ask for boycott for anything pakistani?

What is so special about china that you want a complete boycott?

Answer me this: does zero trade with china benefit india more than the current trade deficit? If yes, how? if no, then why cut your nose to spite your face?
 
Napa said:
India can live quite quite well without toys like Chinese smartphones. Much of Indian industry gets inputs from China, but this supply chain can be replaced over time.

China is currently having Huawei 5G locked of out various markets, including the US. I assume Huawei 5G will be kicked out of India. We will quite happily get 5G from a US or a European firm even if it is costlier.

The fact is China's trade with most countries is heavily tilted towards export of manufactured Chinese consumer products, so shutting out trade from China will not affect India much. Yeah, it will be more expensive to buy balloons and smartphones, but obviously Indians will not trade with a country that kills its soldiers.

MIG, this is the counterview.
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Smart phone isn’t the only thing made in china. Now a days alot other consumer good from fabric and electronics to vehicle parts etc are made in china.

Just to achieve economies of scale many international corporations ve consolidated their mass manufacturing operations in china, so for Indians there may not be too many alternative places to source from. Even if india will find other suppliers the price may be high for low budget mass consumers in a 3rd world country like India.

This lop sided Supplychain model leaves many countries at the mercy of chinese. So the question is can indians really afford a total boycott of china?
 
Knight_Rider said:
Smart phone isn’t the only thing made in china. Now a days alot other consumer good from fabric and electronics to vehicle parts etc are made in china.

Just to achieve economies of scale many international corporations ve consolidated their mass manufacturing operations in china, so for Indians there may not be too many alternative places to source from. Even if india will find other suppliers the price may be high for low budget mass consumers in a 3rd world country like India.

This lop sided Supplychain model leaves many countries at the mercy of chinese. So the question is can indians really afford a total boycott of china?
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The point is that most countries in the world are a market for Chinese manufactured goods. Cutting off access to a market hurts the market a bit, but hurts the manufacturer a lot more.

At this point Indians are willing to take the hurt from a loss of cheap Chinese consumer goods.

As for 5G, it is not clear who the winner will be? Will it be a US firm, a European firm or Huawei? Shutting Huawei out of the Indian market makes it much harder for Huawei to win the worldwide competition.
 
Why are Indians always convinced that having a large population alone is sufficient to give them the economic might to dictate anyone they want.

At the end of the day its still a large pool of poor people, who cannot be the most lucrative of all markets. Surely it gives India some leverage but may not be to the extent that you think.
 
MenInG said:
Interesting from a Chinese pov

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Following a fatal physical clash between Chinese and Indian border defense troops in the Galwan Valley region, some extreme anti-China groups and individuals in India have been promoting a China "boycott."

The Swadeshi Jagran Manch (SJM), an affiliate of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), on Tuesday renewed their demand for "an economic boycott of China and Chinese products," Outlook India Magazine reported. The anti-China group is calling for India to launch frictions with China "in trade and investment." That irresponsible call has been echoed by a handful of Indian celebrities with large numbers of followers. Some in India are enthusiastically promoting hostility toward China for their own interests, though they likely account for just a small percentage of India's vast population. They have called for a China boycott each time an issue has arisen between the two neighbors, placing bilateral ties in a dangerous position.

Rational voices in India have repeatedly pointed out that it is unrealistic and self-destructive for Asia's third-largest economy to launch frictions with the largest economy in the region. And blindly associating border issues with investments and trade is illogical. The rational majority in the South Asian nation - particularly those involved in economic development and politics - is unlikely to allow anti-China groups to incite hatred, escalate border issues or interrupt economic ties with China.

While assessing the new tensions at the border, India should understand that China's restraint is not weak. The two nations should cherish their precious development opportunities and maintain good bilateral ties. It would be extremely dangerous for India to allow anti-China groups to stir public opinion, thus escalating tensions. The priority now for both sides and the region is to accelerate economic recovery.

The global economy is faced with great uncertainty amid the coronavirus pandemic. With mounting pressure on economies this year, economic development on both sides will inevitably suffer huge losses if China and India allow border tensions to escalate.

According to UNCTAD's World Investment Report 2020 issued on Monday, global foreign direct investment (FDI) flows are forecast to decrease by up to 40 percent in 2020, down from their 2019 $1.54 trillion value, while investment flows to developing countries in Asia could fall up to 45 percent in 2020.

As a developing country, India needs to concentrate on development while there are huge uncertainties around the world. Developing countries are more vulnerable during the pandemic. If border tensions escalate and adverse factors increase, investment may withdraw.

India currently has the fourth most confirmed COVID-19 cases in the world, but it is not continuing its lockdown. That shows its economy is facing great pressure - particularly when it comes the country's large number of people living in poverty. Many face immediate threat to survival if they lose their jobs during the lockdown.

India's exports in May fell 36.5 percent year-on-year, while imports plunged 51.1 percent year-on-year. It was the eighth consecutive month that Indian exports fell, according to media reports.

The space for economic cooperation between China and India is vast. Economic and trade cooperation is of great significance to the economic development of both countries, and to overcoming difficulties. It is also of great significance to the regional and global economies in overcoming the impact of the pandemic.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1191935.shtml
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It will wreck India in the short term more than it would impact China. However the problems with Indians winning in the long term is consistency and bureaucracy that plagues them like an incurable disease. I personally don't feel Indians have the determination to crank up their manufacturing sector to become the next global factory the more I look at it now.
 
One exports manufactured goods, while the other exports cheap labour.

China had a virus scare, and it plunged the world economy by levels never witnessed before.

India would get crushed.
 
India federal minister calls for boycott of Chinese goods

Hardline nationalist groups tied to Modi's Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) have stepped up calls for a boycott of Chinese goods and cancellation of contracts with Chinese firms.

"In the current situation, the China issue should not be taken lightly… In many cases, there may be Chinese money invested, but I think the regular things we buy from the market, one should certainly make sure that we avoid Chinese products," Food and Consumer Affairs Minister Ram Vilas Paswan told the Economic Times newspaper.

Similar calls have also been made by many BJP supporters and others on social media.
 
These kind of talks are only to manage public anger for few weeks. Both nations depend on each other to create jobs and wealth. You cannot change that overnight.

Does China have a lot to lose without trade with India? Yes.

Is it India's best interest to boycott China economically and walk out of this without suffering losses? No.

Think long term. Don't boycott China. Become China.

Don't walk out from Chinese business but create a scenario in which other nations companies relocate from China to India.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
These kind of talks are only to manage public anger for few weeks. Both nations depend on each other to create jobs and wealth. You cannot change that overnight.

Does China have a lot to lose without trade with India? Yes.

Is it India's best interest to boycott China economically and walk out of this without suffering losses? No.

Think long term. Don't boycott China. Become China.

Don't walk out from Chinese business but create a scenario in which other nations companies relocate from China to India.
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You can't become china with kind of democracy and opposition and coalition politics. All these dharnas and protests and freedom to bark comes at a cost, and the cost is that india will remain a 3rd world country.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Restaurants selling Chinese food should be banned. I appeal to people to boycott Chinese food: Union Minister Ramdas Athawale <a href="https://t.co/PoY0Udfule">pic.twitter.com/PoY0Udfule</a></p>— ANI (@ANI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1273513215373176832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The BCCI is open to reviewing its sponsorship policy for the next cycle but has no plans to end its association with current IPL title sponsor Vivo as the money coming in from the Chinese company is helping India's cause and not the other way round, board treasurer Arun Dhumal said on Friday. Anti-China sentiments are running high in India following the border clash between the two countries at Galwan valley earlier this week. The first skirmish at the India-China border in more than four decades left at least 20 Indian soldiers dead. Since then, calls have been made to boycott Chinese products.

But Dhumal said Chinese companies sponsoring an Indian event like the IPL only serve his country's interests.

The BCCI gets Rs 440 crore annually from Vivo and the five-year deal ends in 2022.

"When you talk emotionally, you tend to leave the rationale behind. We have to understand the difference between supporting a Chinese company for a Chinese cause or taking help from Chinese company to support India's cause," Dhumal told PTI.

"When we are allowing Chinese companies to sell their products in India, whatever money they are taking from Indian consumer, they are paying part of it to the BCCI (as brand promotion) and the board is paying 42 per cent tax on that money to the Indian government. So, that is supporting India's cause and not China's," he argued.

Oppo, a mobile phone brand like Vivo, was sponsoring the Indian cricket team until September last year when Bengaluru-based educational technology Byju's start-up replaced the Chinese company.

Dhumal said he is all for reducing dependence on Chinese products but as long as its companies are allowed to do business in India, there is no harm in them sponsoring an Indian brand like the IPL.

"If they are not supporting the IPL, they are likely to take that money back to China. If that money is retained here, we should be happy about it. We are supporting our government with that money (by paying taxes on it)."

"If I am giving a contract to a Chinese company to build a cricket stadium, then I am helping the Chinese economy. GCA built the world's largest cricket stadium at Motera and that contract was given to an Indian company (L&T)," he said.

"Cricketing infrastructure worth thousands of crores was created across country and none of the contract was awarded to a Chinese company."

Dhumal went on to say the BCCI is spoilt for choice when it comes to attracting sponsors, whether Indian or Chinese or from any other nation.

"If that Chinese money is coming to support Indian cricket, we should be okay with it. I am all for banning Chinese products as an individual, we are there to support our government but by getting sponsorship from Chinese company, we are helping India's cause."

"We can get sponsorship money from non-Chinese companies also including Indian firms. We can support our players any way but the idea is when they are allowed to sell their products here, it is better that part of money comes back to the Indian economy."

"The BCCI is not giving money to the Chinese, it is attracting on the contrary. We should make decision based on rationale rather than emotion," he added.

https://sports.ndtv.com/ipl-2020/ch...urer-arun-dhumal-2248532?pfrom=home-sshowcase
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Restaurants selling Chinese food should be banned. I appeal to people to boycott Chinese food: Union Minister Ramdas Athawale <a href="https://t.co/PoY0Udfule">pic.twitter.com/PoY0Udfule</a></p>— ANI (@ANI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1273513215373176832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Yet another fascist / racist Indian minister!
 
Global Times editorial says 'Indian nationalism will harm business ties'

China's Communist party newspaper the Global Times has said in an editorial that "Indian nationalism will harm business ties" with China.

The warning comes as a movement to boycott Chinese goods has grown in India. New Delhi on Thursday also reportedly told state firms not to use Chinese-made equipment to upgrade their systems to 4G.

"If the boiling nationalist sentiment continues unchecked in India, it may lead to serious consequences in extreme cases, which would only weaken that market's appeal to the outside world, making it easier to be replaced with other Southeast Asian markets," the editorial said, noting that Chinese company Oppo had canceled it's live launch of its 5G mobile phone in the wake of the deadly clash between the two countries.
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Restaurants selling Chinese food should be banned. I appeal to people to boycott Chinese food: Union Minister Ramdas Athawale <a href="https://t.co/PoY0Udfule">pic.twitter.com/PoY0Udfule</a></p>— ANI (@ANI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1273513215373176832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Lol got carried away on his pink sofa, Indian Chinese food is nothing like Chinese Chinese food.
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Restaurants selling Chinese food should be banned. I appeal to people to boycott Chinese food: Union Minister Ramdas Athawale <a href="https://t.co/PoY0Udfule">pic.twitter.com/PoY0Udfule</a></p>— ANI (@ANI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1273513215373176832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Sir please I kindly ask you to ban Gun Powder which was chinese invention. Thank you sir. We respect you. India #1.
 
Indians call for boycott of Chinese goods after fatal border clashes

Indians have called for a boycott on Chinese goods and the Indian government has pledged to block investment and increase tariffs for China in the aftermath of the deadly border clash in the Himalayas that left 20 Indian soldiers dead.

The fighting on Monday night on a steep precipice along the disputed border in the mountainous region of Ladakh was the worst violence between Indian and Chinese forces in 45 years. China has still not disclosed if it suffered any casualties.

Indian government officials said they plan to impose higher trade barriers and raise import duties on around 300 products from China. India currently has a $59.3bn (£47.7nb) trade deficit with China, with 11% of India’s imports coming from China.

The Indian Telecom Ministry ordered government telecom providers and other private companies to ban all future Chinese deals and equipment upgrades. Chinese companies will also be banned from participating in tenders for future projects, which is likely to include plans to upgrade 4G services in India.

Calls for a boycott of Chinese goods, technology and investment have been growing in India since early May, when Chinese troops began to build up in disputed territory in Ladakh, and violent skirmishes and stand-offs occurred between troops on the ground. An Indian-built program that helps users identify and delete Chinese apps on their phones was downloaded more than 5m times in May before it was blocked by Google.

An Indian butter company briefly had its Twitter account blocked in early June after it posted adverts captioned with the thinly veiled anti-China message “exit the dragon?”.

However, the boycott campaign quickly gathered momentum on both local and government levels across India after news emerged of the violence in the Galwan Valley, where soldiers fought in hand-to-hand conflict, with stones and clubs wrapped in barbed wire used as weapons.

Sonam Wangchuk, a pioneering Indian engineer who lives and works in Ladakh, has been at the forefront of calls for a boycott on China, in response to what he described as China’s “bullying” behaviour over recent years, where land used by local herdsman to graze goats in Ladakh has slowly been encroached on by Chinese forces.

“If we just meet them with military force, that’s what China are looking for,” said Wangchuk. “We should do what they fear more, which is economic damage. India sends so much money to China because even though we know it is funding this terrible regime, we have become addicted to their cheap goods. But we need to get ourselves out of this trap and call out China for what they are: a wolf, a rogue nation.”

Wangchuk said the campaign had already been more successful than he had ever anticipated and he believed it could be the launchpad for a global China boycott. “Citizens can make a huge difference,” he said. “The same wallets that built China in the last 30 years can also bring them down.”

Since Monday, anti-China protests have broken out all over India, with effigies of the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, set alight, while in Gujarat there was footage of people throwing their Chinese-made televisions over their balconies.

In Delhi, the Residents Welfare Association of Defence Colony, an affluent neighbourhood of south Delhi, declared “war” on China through a boycott of Chinese goods.

Retired army major Ranjit Singh, who is president of the RWA, said in a video message to residents: “I declare Defence Colony is at war. Unfortunately we cannot take up guns and bullets but definitely there are other means. We can break China’s backbone economically and today I request you all, with immediate effect, shun Chinese goods and if you have any lying in your house, please throw them out.”

Both sides have blamed the other for the conflict, with India alleging that China carried out a “premeditated” attack on its forces, while China claims that Indian forces entered their territory on three occasions. Satellite footage confirms there had been a significant build up of Chinese troops in areas they were previously absent over the past month.

The situation remains tense. While both India and China agreed to continue the process of de-escalation, discussions on Wednesday between Chinese and Indian army generals remained “inconclusive”.

The Confederation of All India Traders (CAIT), which represents over 60 million Indian traders, stated it would be stepping up its anti-China boycott to include 450 broad categories of commodities, which cover over 3,000 Chinese products ranging from cosmetics to handbags and furniture. The objective is to reduce the import of Chinese goods into India by $13bn by the end of 2021.

Pressure was also building to cancel the lucrative contract recently given to a Chinese construction company to build an underground stretch of a new rapid rail project in Delhi. General secretary of the opposition Congress party, Priyanka Gandhi, accused the government of adopting a “a weak strategy of kneeling down” before China and handing them the project.

There is a sense that China is concerned about the Indian calls for a boycott. A piece this week in the Global Times, the newspaper which is a mouthpiece for the Communist party, called for India to curb “illogical boycott-China voices” after the border clash, adding: “It is unrealistic and self-destructive for Asia’s third-largest economy to launch frictions with the largest economy in the region.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...t-of-chinese-goods-after-fatal-border-clashes
 
India plans extra tariffs, trade barriers on 300 imported products from China: Report

India plans to impose higher trade barriers and raise import duties on around 300 products from China and elsewhere, two government officials told Reuters news agency, as part of an effort to protect domestic businesses.

The plan has been under review since at least April, according to a government document seen by Reuters, and is in line with Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s recently announced self-reliance campaign to promote local products.

The new duty structures are likely to be gradually outlined over the next three months, said the sources, who asked not to be named as the plan is still being finalised.
 
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India plans extra tariffs, trade barriers on 300 imported products from China: Report

India plans to impose higher trade barriers and raise import duties on around 300 products from China and elsewhere, two government officials told Reuters news agency, as part of an effort to protect domestic businesses.

The plan has been under review since at least April, according to a government document seen by Reuters, and is in line with Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s recently announced self-reliance campaign to promote local products.

The new duty structures are likely to be gradually outlined over the next three months, said the sources, who asked not to be named as the plan is still being finalised.
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Poor Aam Aadmi will end up paying this "tariff" :facepalm:

Hopefully the list doesn't include essential products.
 
The ministry of railways on Thursday said its PSU, Dedicated Freight Corridor Corporation of India Limited (DFCCIL), has decided to terminate its contract with Chinese firm, Beijing National Railway Research & Design Institute of Signal & Communication, for work pertaining to signalling, citing delays.

To be clear, the decision to terminate the contract was taken in April due to “slow progress by the firm,” officials aware of the development said.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...performance/story-nHak8FjrYW0iaVroBZlTzI.html
 
This just in from bloomberg... Boycott of Chinese goods by Indians didn't last long...

Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-18/border-conflict-does-little-to-damp-chinese-phone-sales-in-india

OnePlus, a China-based smartphone maker, saw its latest model sold off within minutes in India on Thursday, despite growing calls for boycott of Chinese goods following a border conflict between the Asian neighbors.

The OnePlus 8 Pro mobile phone, which is priced at a significant discount to Apple Inc.’s latest iPhones, was not available on Amazon.com Inc.’s local website just a few minutes after it went on sale. At the same time, #BoycottChineseProducts was among the top Twitter trends in India for almost two days, after the nation’s army said at least 20 of its soldiers lost their lives in a violent standoff with Chinese troops in a contested Himalayan border.

The pace of sales show that weaning away Indians from feature-rich and cheaply priced Chinese products is easier said than done. India relies on China for the bulk of its imports, with purchases in the year ended March running into more than $60 billion. Beijing runs a trade surplus of about $50 billion with New Delhi.

While Prime Minister Narendra Modi Thursday said the nation will reduce dependence on imports, Ramdas Athawale, a member of Modi’s ministerial panel, went so far as to call for a ban on even restaurants that prepare Chinese food.
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No, India's boycott alone won't cause more than a dent for China. Not that India would follow through on a complete boycott. The high from cheap Chinese goods coupled with the fact that it takes years to stand up your own manufacturing will ensure the bulk of India-China trade will stay intact, for now.

What you will see though is some high-profile, sporadic 'bans' on Chinese investments here and there.
 
Good article which presents a sane view.

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The Indian government has tried to respond to the border dispute with China by training its guns on trade. The idea resonating in Indian streets is that Indians should boycott Chinese goods and thus “teach China a lesson”.

Visuals of Indians breaking and burning their fully functional Chinese appliances such as TVs have been doing the rounds in social media. Union minister Ramdas Athawale has even demanded a ban on restaurants selling Chinese food even though these would be Indian restaurants, employing Indian chefs and using largely Indian agricultural produce to serve such Chinese dishes.

While one can understand the outrage that Indians feel when they hear about the brutal deaths of their soldiers, turning a border or defence dispute into a trade one is an ill-advised move.

There are several reasons.

1. Trade deficits are not necessarily bad

One of the main reasons why banning trade has been the first reaction is the notion that having a trade deficit is somehow a “bad” thing. The fact is altogether different. Trade deficits/surpluses are just accounting exercises and having a trade deficit against a country doesn’t make the domestic economy weaker or worse off.

For instance, if one looks at the top 25 countries with whom India trades, it has a trade surplus with the US, the UK and the Netherlands. But that doesn’t mean the Indian economy is stronger or better off than any of these three.

Similarly, it has a trade deficit with the other 22 of them (including China) — regardless of their size and geographic location. This list includes France, Germany, Nigeria, South Africa, UAE, Qatar, Russia, South Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Indonesia among others.

Yet, a trade deficit doesn’t necessarily mean that the Indian economy is worse off than South Africa’s. A trade deficit with China only means that Indians buy more Chinese products than what Chinese from India. But per se that is not a bad thing.

Why? Because it shows that Indian consumers — who made these purchase decisions individually and voluntarily — are now better off than what they would have been had they bought either, say, a Japanese or French or even an Indian alternative.

Essentially, it shows that Indian consumers, as well as the Chinese producers, gained through trading. It is this very process that generates the gains from trade. Both sides are better off than what they would have been without trade.

Of course, running persistent trade deficits across all countries raises two main issues.

One, does a country have the foreign exchange reserves to “buy” the imports. Today, India has more than $500 billion of forex — good enough to cover imports for 12 months.

Two, it also shows that India is not capable of producing for the needs of its own people in the most efficient manner.

At one level, no country is self-sufficient and that is why trade is such a fantastic idea. It allows countries to specialise in what they can do most efficiently and export that good while importing whatever some other country does more efficiently.

So while a persistent trade deficit merits the domestic government — the Indian government in this case — to put in place policies and create the infrastructure that raises competitiveness, it should not “force” or even “nudge” people to move away from trade because doing so will undermine efficiency and come at the cost of the consumer’s benefits.

China India trade, Ban on China trade, India China border dispute, India China, India China news A member of National Students’ Union of India (NSUI) holds a placard during a protest against China, in Ahmedabad, June 18, 2020. (Reuters Photo: Amit Dave)

2. Will hurt the Indian poor the most

More often than not, the poorest consumers are the worst-hit in a trade ban of this kind because they are the most price-sensitive. For instance, if Chinese ACs were replaced by either costlier Japanese ACs or less efficient Indian ones, richer Indians may still survive this ban — by buying the costlier option — but a number of poor, who could have otherwise afforded an AC, would either have to forgo buying one because it is now too costly (say a Japanese or European firm) or suffer (as a consumer) by buying a less efficient Indian one.

Similarly, the Chinese products that are in India are already paid for. By banning their sale or avoiding them, Indians will be hurting fellow Indian retailers. Again, this hit would be proportionately more on the poorest retailers because of their relative inability to cope with the unexpected losses.

3. Will punish Indian producers and exporters

Some may argue that trading with China hurts many Indian producers. This is true, but it is also true that trading hurts only the less efficient Indian producers while helping the more efficient Indian producers and businesses.

It is important to note that the list of Indian consumers of Chinese imports does not comprise just those who consume the final finished good from China; several businesses in India import intermediate goods and raw materials, which, in turn, are used to create final goods — both for the domestic Indian market as well as the global market (as Indian exports).

Contrary to popular belief an overwhelming proportion of Chinese imports are in the form of intermediate goods such as electrical machinery, nuclear reactors, fertilisers, optical and photographic measuring equipment organic chemicals etc. Such imports are used to produce final goods which are then either sold in India or exported.

A blanket ban on Chinese imports will hurt all these businesses at a time when they are already struggling to survive, apart from hitting India’s ability to produce finished goods.

To recap: Trade deficits are not necessarily bad; they improve the wellbeing of Indian consumers including producers and exporters. In any case, India has trade deficits with most countries so why single out China.

4. Will barely hurt China

Still, some may argue that we want to single out China because it has killed our soldiers at the border and we will now punish it through trade.

Then the question is: Will banning trade hurt China?

The truth is the exact opposite. It will hurt India and Indian far more than it will hurt China.

Let’s look at the facts again. While China accounts for 5% of India’s exports and 14% of India’s imports — in US$ value terms — India’s imports from China (that is, China’s exports) are just 3% of China’s total exports. More importantly, China’s imports from India are less than 1% of its total imports.

The point is that if India and China stop trading then — on the face of it — China would lose only 3% of its exports and less than 1% of its imports, while India will lose 5% of its exports and 14% of its imports.

Moreover, if one takes the notion of not letting China profit from the Indian purchasing power strictly, then Indians should also avoid buying all products that use Chinese goods and labour. So, forget the several obvious Chinese brands and products, Indian consumers would have to go about figuring out if China gains any money from, say, the iPhones that are sold in India. Or if the steel used in a European gadget is Chinese or not.

The trouble is this is a near-impossible task not just because of China’s centrality in global trade and global value chains but also because even teams of bureaucrats will find it tough to map Chinese involvement in all our trade on a real-time basis.

On the whole, it is much easier for China to replace India than for India to replace China.

Here’s some food for thought: /What if Xi Jinping and the political establishment in China do the same thing to India? What if they decided to abruptly ban all trade and forbid all private investment via any route into India?/

Of course, India would survive, but at a huge cost to common Indians while depriving many Indian businesses (the start-ups with billion-dollar valuations) of Chinese funding.

Why? Because in the short to medium term, it would be both difficult and costly to replace Chinese products. Imagine diverting all our imports from China to Japan and Germany. We will only increase our total trade deficit.

If on the other hand, we decide to use Indian products, that too would cost us more — albeit just internally.

5. India will lose policy credibility

It has also been suggested that India should renege on existing contracts with China. Again, while in the short-term this may assuage hurt sentiments, it would be hugely detrimental for a country such as India which has been trying to attract foreign investment.

One of the first things an investor — especially foreign — tracks is the policy credibility and certainty. If policies can be changed overnight, if taxes can be slapped with retrospective effect, or if the government itself reneges on contracts, no investor will invest. Or, if they do, they will demand higher returns for the increased risk.

6. Raising tariffs is mutually assured destruction

It has also been argued that India should just slap higher import duties on Chinese goods. Others have suggested that India can allow primary and intermediate goods from China at zero duty, but apply prohibitive tariffs on final goods.

Even leaving aside the rules of the World Trade Organization that India would be violating, this is a poor strategy since others — not just China — can and most likely will reciprocate in the same way.

What will also go against India here is its relatively insignificant presence in global trade and value chains. In other words, it is relatively easy for the world to bypass India and carry on trading if India doesn’t play by the rules.

The Upshot:

The first thing to understand is that turning a border dispute into a trade war is unlikely to solve the border dispute. Worse, given India and China’s position in both global trade as well as relative to each other, this trade war will hurt India far more than China. Thirdly, such a shock — banning all trade with China — will be most poorly timed since the Indian economy is already at its weakest point ever — facing a sharp GDP contraction.

The surge of protectionism and anti-globalisation sentiment since the start of the Global Financial Crisis of 2008 is well known but it is also well established that trade leaves people better off.

Of course, not everyone. For instance, all inefficient domestic industries would want to be protected by higher tariffs in the name of economic nationalism. But, as explained above, this protection will come at the cost of domestic consumers.

Indeed, in the first four decades of India’s existence, it has tried — and miserably failed — making mantras like “self-reliance”, “import-substitution” and “protecting infant domestic industries” work.

India must try to aggressively acquire a higher share of global trade by raising its competitiveness. India now has an insignificant share in world trade. If it is not careful, much smaller countries will further chip away.

For instance, while in November 2019, India refused to join the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) — a Free Trade Agreement (FTA) in a region that is least affected by Covid and most likely to see trade volumes in the future — Vietnam signed an FTA with the European Union earlier this month. Indian exporters were already losing ground in the EU to Vietnam will now be adversely affected since most Vietnamese goods will enjoy zero import duties in the EU, thus making them more affordable for European consumers.

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/india-china-trade-ban-explained-6465949/
 
The BCCI will not award contracts to any Chinese company in the future to build stadiums or other infrastructure, cricket board treasurer Arun Dhumal informed. Chinese communication company Vivo is the title sponsor of the Indian Premier League while Li-Ning is the apparel sponsor for the Indian Olympic Association, and both organisations refused to rule out the termination of these contracts anytime in the future.

Dhumal said the deal with Vivo will stay for now but the BCCI will not hesitate to terminate it in case the government asks them to do so.

“In the future, we will not give any contract to Chinese companies to build our (BCCI) infrastructure,” Dhumal told The Indian Express. This follows the flare-up on the Line of Actual Control (LAC) at Galwan valley that saw 20 Indian Armymen lose their lives fighting against the Chinese troops.

The BCCI treasurer said that Vivo’s IPL sponsorship needs to be seen in the right perspective. “We have to understand the difference between supporting Chinese companies and supporting the Chinese cause. We are taking money from a Chinese company, it’s not that we are giving money to a Chinese company.”

Vivo acquired the IPL title sponsorship for Rs 2,199 crore in 2018 in a five-year deal. Dhumal went on to explain, “42 per cent of the money goes to the Government of India as taxes. So in a way, we are helping the Indian cause. That money is being retained here and it is helping Indian cricket and part of the money that goes to the Government of India is helping the Indian cause.”

He added: “They (Chinese companies) sell their phones and collect money from Indian consumers, and if I don’t take that money, it will flow back to China. So, one needs to understand that.”

The BCCI hasn’t discussed the Vivo sponsorship issue as yet, but it will not hesitate to terminate the contract if there’s a government advice or order with regards to dissociating with Chinese companies as sponsors.

“There’s no two ways about it, in case the government decides to ban Chinese products and companies, we (BCCI) will be happy to follow that,” Dhumal said. He also said the BCCI would “keep public sentiment in mind” in the future when the contract cycle ends. And the BCCI treasurer fully supports the public sentiment. “As an Indian, I’m all for it to teach them (China) a lesson and hit them at places where it hurts them very badly. Be it economic or not buying their products…”

Meanwhile, IOA secretary general Rajeev Mehta said they will not hesitate to cut ties with Li Ning if needed. However, he said a decision in this regard can be taken only by the executive board.

“We will see how the current scenario evolves. If we reach a point where it becomes a matter of the country’s pride, then I am confident the IOA executive board will choose country ahead of the sponsors,” Mehta said. “We have an existing contract with a Chinese firm for the Indian contingent’s kit. That deal is till the Tokyo Olympics. Right now, we are not reconsidering any deal but if the situation changes, we will take a call over what needs to be done.”

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...en-to-ending-deals-with-vivo-li-ning-6465571/
 
So discussing how to go after China but the sponsor of the show is a Chinese firm...


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The Chinese economy is 5 times bigger than the Indian economy. It doesn't take rocket science to figure out who will be hurt more. And the Indian state knows this all too well. Their aim throughout has been to not get on China's bad side too much, while fanning the flames of domestic anger by telling them 43 Chinese soldiers have died incomparison to 20 Indian soldiers. But somehow didn't think about people questioning why 20 Indians died?

The Chinese state is much smarter than India. All its moves have been calculated. It has avoided being taken captive by the domestic audience by simply not telling how many Chinese or Indians died. It has not ceded anything while Modi denies China even entered into Indian territory which is ofcourse a flat-out lie.
 
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Minister of state for road transport and highways and former Chief of Army Staff (COAS), General VK Singh said the latest transgression by China into Indian territory has created a trust deficit. He also said war is the last resort, but there are many ways, including an economic boycott that can be an apt response to China.

Here are the excerpts of Singh’s conversation with HT

Q: As an ex-army chief what is your reading of the ground situation?

A: It is firmly in control of the Indian troops. There are no intrusions. There are transgressions, not intrusions. Where PP 14 is concerned, there is no intrusion whatsoever. Where PP 15 area is concerned, every year they have been trying to transgress and every year we push them to go back.

Where Pangong Tso is concerned, this is not just a yearly feature, but happens in the summer and sometimes in the winter also. These have been happening, the only difference this time is that the transgression has involved a certain amount of stealth in the Pangong Tso area, they’ve done things which they have never done earlier.

Q: Like what?

A: Trying to land some troops behind Finger 4, this they did for the first time. And the aim is clear - they want to push us from Finger 4. Our people, however, will take care of that.


Q: Is that what the negotiation and talks were about?

A: The talks were about wherever there have been transgression - like at PP 14 where they said the LAC is not this way but is a different way. They have been told that we’ve been sitting here on this for decades now, where is the doubt. Same is true for other regions including Chumar. They try and come to the Heights opposite the DBO. All this is very old it’s not new. What is new is as the infrastructure becomes better they try to overawe us by more strength or vehicles.

Q: There are questions about why there was ambiguity about the Chinese being on our territory and now them claiming the Galwan.

A: They are not on our territory. The LAC is an interpretation from a map given in 1959 and the Chinese keep advancing some claim or the other. The LAC is not marked on the ground, there is no agreement on it. There is a certain amount of flexibility that exists out there. But there are places where both sides know their sides and ensure these are protected. Where there is no man’s land, which comes up because of these perceptional differences, is where these patrol face-offs take place.

Q:What details do we have of the casualties on the Chinese side? Did we detain any PLA soldiers and how many?

A: In the 1962 war, they never told anybody how many casualties they suffered. It was sometime in the 2000s when they said we suffered a few hundred (casualties), but people who fought know exactly how much they had suffered. They are good at deception because they don’t want the people to get anti-government or raise objections.

I’m quite sure they must be disposing of the dead also in a manner that others don’t come to know. There was talk of 43 persons in the beginning, in the media. I would say whoever put out that figure, based on what the troops had said, is the minimum. There may be more.

Since we did not cross the Line of Actual Control, they were on one side of the river near PP 14. So, most of the things were on each side, it was not something that was on our side. What happened was that people got separated. In the melee, where there are over 600 people just jostling, scuffling, pushing and hitting each other and in a dark night some people got separated; their people on our side and our people on their side. But in the morning they were exchanged. I was told that one of their chaps said we have treated your people well and our chaps said we have also treated your people well. Matter ended there with no brouhaha about it.

Q: Do we have a number?

A: As per my information we had some people.

Q: On Friday, Congress president Sonia Gandhi at the all-party meeting asked if this was an intelligence failure.

A: I am not in a position to respond because intelligence is a domain that is looked after by the R&AW. What I can refute is that it is a military intelligence failure, because they have been debarred from looking across the LoC and the LAC. This happened in 2012 and Sonia Gandhi should have known about it.

Q: There are questions about the policy of using arms at LAC too.

A: In the dark of the night… you are among 600 people carrying weapons, you don’t know where your people are. What happens if somebody fires breaking the agreement? These agreements have been there and both sides are adhering to it, if one side breaks it then the other side will also break it.

So far, we haven’t had any problems. That is why this pushing and jostling took place, otherwise firing would’ve taken place. Just like what happened on the Line of Control that we don’t have an agreement of a similar nature but other agreements. There are protocols that have come into being over a period of time after negotiations of the border peace and treaty agreement and unfortunately, you have to follow them. [If] You want to break them, then somebody should take a decision. If Congress is so concerned about it, they should have broken it and not gotten into it.

As a military man, I can say, I don’t think the military wanted it and I don’t think the military was even consulted on it.

Q: What has changed after Monday’s conflict?

A: The only thing that has changed is that we knew they were deceitful but they will engineer such a big deceit on us... it leads to loss of confidence. And we will think 10 times before believing them that they will do a particular thing. We will be more prepared for any eventuality that will follow.

Q: You also said China did this to deflect attention. Would you explain?

A: Why would China try to do things at the border, it is there any reason? In China nothing happens at the local level, it all comes from the top and who is the head of the military commission, Xi Jinping. So this is not like India where broad instructions are there and commanders do their own things. What is it that they want to divert attention from? They are in the firing line of all the countries in the world because of Covid-19, they are having problems in Hong Kong, they have problems in the South China Sea, they have trade problems with the United States, everybody is blaming them for everything. It means they want to divert attention from something.

Q: The PM said the sacrifice of our soldiers will not go in vain. What do you think will be an apt response to China?

A: If you’re going to tell about the response now then the response is of no use whatsoever. I am sure the required people have been tasked to think of what can be done, what cannot be done and what all measures have to be taken.

The first thing that has been given out is to boycott Chinese goods, let’s start with this. Let’s hurt them economically other things will follow. War and use of force is the last resort always and every time. When all other means fail then you resort to this. There are many means available.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...-border-row/story-0abNH3yfPoE979VtbmQdJN.html
 
Why are we boycotting Chinese products when they didn't even enter into Indian territory? They killed our 20 soldiers and we killed their 43(?) soldiers in outer space. Since we killed more than them, shouldn't China boycott Indian products instead? :inti
 
On June 18, two days after the violent faceoff in the Galwan Valley, the Ministry of Defence contacted manufacturers of protective gear and bullet-proof jackets worn by Army personnel in forward areas, including in Leh, for “urgent” reinforcement of supplies — estimated at 2 lakh units. Follow India-China border dispute LIVE updates

What has added a twist to this is the fact that a majority of the existing Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEMs) use Chinese raw materials. This includes the company that got the 2017 contract — it’s in the delivery stage — for supplying 1.86 lakh bullet-proof jackets to the Army. Announcing the Rs 639-crore contract to SMPP Pvt Ltd, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh had said, in Parliament, that there was “no embargo” on the import of raw materials from China for the manufacture of protective jackets for the Army.

With the changed circumstances, there are calls for a rethink. Niti Aayog member and former chief of the Defence Research and Development Organisation V K Saraswat has urged a “re-look” at these imports.

Speaking to The Indian Express, Saraswat said: “A year ago, we discouraged import of Chinese raw materials for critical items such as bullet-resistant jackets for their doubtful quality. We had even called the company which had the existing Army contract and told them to ensure testing of all imported raw materials at their end. Now I feel there should be a clear re-look at all such imports which are made from China just because of the price differential. We should not encourage import of Chinese raw material for strategic sectors like telecom and protective gear including bullet resistant jackets worn by our troops.”

On Saturday, the PHD Chamber of Commerce and Industry, which was earlier part of a committee formed by the Department of Defence Production on “indigenisation of critical raw materials for manufacturing defence products,” sent a letter to the Defence Secretary on the subject of “renouncing the usages of Chinese products.”

That letter specifically mentions imports of High Performance Polyethylene (HPPE) from China for manufacture of bullet-resistant jackets. Citing steps taken by the Telecom Ministry to “avoid Chinese equipment in upgradation” it says: “Generally all the manufacturers (of protective gear) are importing this material from companies based in the Republic of China and very sizeable foreign exchange is diverted to these companies…we request you to kindly make a policy to reduce dependence on the Chinese materials substantially so that the security and safety of our fighting soldiers is not compromised…”

Meanwhile, industry representatives said that besides HPPE and fabric, boron carbide and other ceramics were also imported from China for manufacture of bullet-resistant jackets. Said S C Kansal, Managing Director of SMPP Pvt ltd, which is executing the current contract to supply bullet-resistant jackets to the Army: “Yes, we are reliant upon imports from China but will move with the mood of the country. If required we will look at alternative routes for imports and we have a vast Research & Development wing for doing so.”

So dependent on imports on China, the industry waits for MoD directions. Mahendra Gupta, Managing Director of Star Wire (India) Limited, said that his firm uses Chinese material for manufacturing protective gear but given the killings and the standoff, “the protective gear industry needs a clear direction on imports of critical raw materials from China and what is permissible.”

Neeraj Gupta, Managing Director of MKU, said the firm imports raw materials from either US or European countries which pushes their prices up. “Chinese raw materials are 60%-70% cheaper than other international firms but this is a sector where quality of the gear and minimum loss of life on the frontlines is of utmost importance,” he said.

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...n-china-link-niti-member-says-relook-6468635/
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Products on <a href="https://twitter.com/amazon?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@amazon</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Flipkart?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Flipkart</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/snapdeal?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@snapdeal</a> should have a clear column on country of origin for every product so that consumers can decide if they want to buy a Made in China product or not. Hope Govt can find a way of getting e-commerce companies to ensure this. Can’t profit & fight</p>— Rahul Kanwal (@rahulkanwal) <a href="https://twitter.com/rahulkanwal/status/1274884796553068544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Didn’t the newest version of OnePlus sell out in India on its first day despite all these calls for boycott?
 
I talked to a couple of Chinese people today and they barely know about it. Apparently it’s 3rd or 4th ness in priority list
 
Can India afford to boycott Chinese products?

Anti-China sentiment has been on the rise in India since last week’s fatal border clash between the two nuclear-armed neighbours.

Twenty Indian soldiers were killed in fighting at a disputed border site in the Himalayan Galwan Valley, prompting a swift and theatrical backlash on India’s streets.

People in the western Indian city of Ahmedabad hurled Chinese TV sets down their balconies, while traders in the capital, Delhi, protested by burning Chinese goods.

A central minister called for a boycott of restaurants selling “Chinese food” - an Indianised version of Chinese cuisine that is hugely popular; an opposition leader was seen clambering atop a JCB machine to blacken a billboard of Chinese smartphone maker Oppo; a group of eager protesters went viral after burning an effigy of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, mistaking him for Chinese President, Xi Jinping.

The Indian government hasn’t explicitly announced a boycott, but by all accounts states and public sector companies have been reportedly asked to desist from issuing new contracts to Chinese companies. The railways have reportedly cancelled a signalling project that was given to a Chinese company in 2016. And, according to reports, the government has also asked e-commerce companies to display the country of origin for the products they sell.

Bilateral trade between the countries, already down by 15% since the 2018 financial year, could take a further hit as India mulls extra tariffs and anti-dumping duties on Chinese imports.

But, experts warn, it’s easier said than done to convert such boycott rhetoric into reality.

What is the alternative to China?

For one, China is India’s second-largest trading partner after the US. And two, it accounts for nearly 12% of India’s imports across sectors such as chemicals, automotive components, consumer electronics and pharmaceuticals.

“At least 70% of India’s drug intermediary needs are fulfilled by China,” Sudarshan Jain, president of the Indian Pharmaceutical Alliance, told the BBC.

Although India has announced a new policy to become more self-reliant in drugs, he says that will take time.

India’s booming smartphone sector also heavily depends on cheap Chinese phones made by Oppo, Xaomi and others with the lion’s share of the local market.

Most consumer electronics makers say they’ll be paralysed if they can’t import crucial intermediate goods from China.

“We are not worried about finished goods. But most players across the globe import key components such as compressors from China,” says B Thiagrajan, managing director of Blue Star Limited, an Indian manufacturer of air conditioners, air purifiers and water coolers.

Mr Thiagrajan adds that it will take a long time to set up local supply chains, and that there are few alternatives for certain kinds of imports.

Chinese money funds Indian unicorns

India and China have also become increasingly integrated in recent years. Chinese money, for instance, has penetrated India's technology sector, with companies like Alibaba and Tencent strategically pumping in billions of dollars into Indian startups such as Zomato, Paytm, Big Basket and Ola. This has led to Chinese giants deeply "embedding themselves" in India’s socio-economic and technology ecosystem, according to Gateway House, a Mumbai-based think tank.

“There have been more than 90 Chinese investments in Indian startups, most of them made over the last five years. Eighteen out of 30 Indian unicorns [tech startups valued at over $1bn] have a Chinese investor,” says Amit Bhandari, an analyst at Gateway house.

At $6.2bn, direct Chinese investment in India appears relatively small. But, Mr Bhandari says, restricting the likes of Alibaba from creating monopolies in the Indian market will be crucial given the “outsized impact” of these investments.

To that effect, India has already amended its FDI (foreign direct investment) rules to stave off hostile takeovers of Indian companies.

While China has accused India of contravening WTO principles, it’s unlikely to cut ice under current circumstances "as there is no way of enforcing any decision if an inter-country conflict is cited as a reason to justify the violations”, Zulfiquar Memon, managing partner at MZM Legal, said in an email interview.

This gives India some leeway to reduce its dependence on imports, and heed growing calls for self-reliance. India’s gaping trade deficit of nearly $50bn with China has long been a sticking point between the two countries, and the current standoff provides an impetus for India to shrink the gap.

Is self-reliance the answer?

India’s domestic manufacturing sector can substitute as much as 25% of total imports from China, according to new findings from Acuité, a ratings agency. This would lead to a reduced import bill of over $8bn in a single year.

Handicrafts, for instance, is a category where India imported $431m worth of goods from China in the 2020 financial year without any significant reciprocal exports.

But Mr Bhandari of Gateway House says boycotting popular Chinese apps such as TikTok might be more effective than boycotting physical goods in terms of value added because there are multiple alternatives.

But from India’s standpoint, none of this is likely to play out without grave consequences to the economy, especially during a severe downturn. China, on the other hand, is less concerned since India accounts for only 3% of its exports.

So far Beijing has been restrained in its reaction to the growing backlash in India.

But a recent op-ed in the daily Global Times warned that “China's restraint is not weak”.

It says it would “be extremely dangerous for India to allow anti-China groups to stir public opinion, thus escalating tensions”, and adds that the focus should instead be on “economic recovery”.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53150898
 
Slog said:
I talked to a couple of Chinese people today and they barely know about it. Apparently it’s 3rd or 4th ness in priority list
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Like I said, the Chinese competition is the US. They don't care about the scrimmish with India.
 
India's border stand-off with China may disrupt the supply chains of U.S. companies based in the south Asian nation.

The decision by customs officials to abruptly halt clearances of industrial consignments coming in from China at major Indian ports and airports has raised concerns among U.S. manufacturers based in the country, according to a letter written to India's Department for Promotion of Industry and Internal Trade.

"We are concerned about the repercussions an unanticipated embargo on the import of goods from neighboring countries will have on the supply chain and manufacturing," said Mukesh Aghi, president of the U.S. India Strategic Partnership Forum in the letter sent to Guruprasad Mohapatra, secretary of the government department.

Lack of information about what consignments may be held up threatens business continuity and disrupts manufacturing operations, the letter noted. India's trade with the U.S. was worth $87.95 billion in the year ended March 2019, making it the country's largest partner. Yet China remains the south Asian nation's biggest global supplier, and Beijing has a trade surplus of about $50 billion with New Delhi.

"There's no formal order from India's Directorate General of Foreign Trade at the moment on halting any imports," said Yogesh Baweja, a spokesman for the commerce ministry, adding the problems may have been caused by procedural delays at customs. Rajesh Malhotra, spokesman for the finance ministry, declined to comment.

India has stepped up import curbs after nearly two months of simmering border tensions with China in the high Himalayas escalated sharply on June 15, resulting in the deaths of 20 Indian soldiers. India's federal government has asked companies to list purchases from China and flag those critical to operations so it can identify non-essential imports that can be substituted with local products, the Economic Times reported.

The Trade Ministry is also evaluating non-tariff measures including inspections, product testing and enhanced quality certification requirements to check Chinese imports to avoid falling foul of World Trade Organization rules.

The State-run Bureau of Indian Standards is finalizing tougher norms for at least 370 products to ensure items that can be locally produced aren't imported and talks are on to raise import duties on certain products.

source Al Jazeera
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Exclusive and Important - <a href="https://twitter.com/nitin_gadkari?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nitin_gadkari</a> writes to <a href="https://twitter.com/nsitharaman?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nsitharaman</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/PiyushGoyal?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PiyushGoyal</a> asking them to clear Chinese imports stuck at Indian ports as it harms Indian businesses. <a href="https://twitter.com/QuintHindi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@QuintHindi</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TheQuint?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheQuint</a> <a href="https://t.co/ypvyKSWAp3">https://t.co/ypvyKSWAp3</a></p>— Sanjay Pugalia (@sanjaypugalia) <a href="https://twitter.com/sanjaypugalia/status/1276907374008102912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Nitin Gadkari is the biggest business politician of India, I have to agree I was wrong about my initial reaction to Chinese goods need more practical approach.
 
JaDed said:
Nitin Gadkari is the biggest business politician of India, I have to agree I was wrong about my initial reaction to Chinese goods need more practical approach.
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You are like most indians who are jazbaati, probably the influence of bollywood. It is a headless chicken generation.
 
BIG BREAKING: Indian Govt bans 59 Chinese apps, including Tik-Tok. Full list:
apps list.jpg
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">List of 59 apps banned by Government of India "which are prejudicial to sovereignty and integrity of India, defence of India, security of state and public order”. <a href="https://t.co/p6T2Tcd5rI">pic.twitter.com/p6T2Tcd5rI</a></p>— ANI (@ANI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1277621426317647872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
JaDed said:
Nitin Gadkari is the biggest business politician of India, I have to agree I was wrong about my initial reaction to Chinese goods need more practical approach.
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Just as I said this , GOI changed lol .

In a statement, the government said the apps were blocked "in view of information available they are engaged in activities which is prejudicial to sovereignty and integrity of India, defence of India, security of state and public order".
 
I only have ES File Explorer installed from the above list on my Redmi phone along with those MI apps that come pre installed so I hardly give a damn about this ban.

My opinion on this ban : Expected behaviour from a third world country.

Now let's see whether they ban Vivo or not. Since Vivo which is associated with IPL, patriotism of many people will be tested now. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I only have ES File Explorer installed from the above list on my Redmi phone along with those MI apps that come pre installed so I hardly give a damn about this ban.

My opinion on this ban : Expected behaviour from a third world country.

Now let's see whether they ban Vivo or not. Since Vivo which is associated with IPL, patriotism of many people will be tested now. :inti
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If patriotism was in question One Plus wouldn't had sold out :P , Also everytime I google it shows me some One Plus phone launching :/ , apparently launching TV too
 
Its not about hurting but self-reliance and benefits for own. Google/FB banned in CH, led to the creation of local alternatives like Beidu, WC.

Similar idea is now needed for India...
 
Lol, who ever oppose this idea in India is called 'chinese' or they are asked if they are indians. What a bunch of fools these idiots are.
 
someone21 said:
Its not about hurting but self-reliance and benefits for own. Google/FB banned in CH, led to the creation of local alternatives like Beidu, WC.

Similar idea is now needed for India...
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Yeah China bans it from around the world, India is just banning the Chinese one..so alternatives wouldn't be created.. tiktok maybe but not Google.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I only have ES File Explorer installed from the above list on my Redmi phone along with those MI apps that come pre installed so I hardly give a damn about this ban.

My opinion on this ban : Expected behaviour from a third world country.

Now let's see whether they ban Vivo or not. Since Vivo which is associated with IPL, patriotism of many people will be tested now. :inti
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What about Oppo?
 
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