Can any Muslim nation take on Israel before the end of times?

[Suleiman]

Just remember, tide of battle can turn very quickly whenever Allah ordains it.

We need to have our spiritual affairs in order and In Sha Allah victory will come.

I’m not saying ok don’t need any weapons just pick up stones and sticks and let’s win.

I’m saying every time Muslims have been victorious for long stretches of time has been when we are the most strict on ourselves regarding the Quran and the Sunnah and being united as one people regardless of race and social class.

Same thing here. If you focus on lobbies, alliances, weaponry before making sure you are praying 5x a day, avoiding major sins, etc, then you can have the best weapons, allied with the whole world but if Allah is not happy with you and destined you to lose, you will lose. Remember the 6 day war? Yeah.

Unfortunately some Muslims even at the thought of the above will scoff and say things like how will praying help us win etc. Nauzubillah. This is how weak our Iman has gotten that we forgot our own history and tenants of faith.

Faith first, duties toward Allah first, then use the means (alliances, military systems, technology)- not the other way around.

Unite on the Haqq and let’s go.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Just remember, tide of battle can turn very quickly whenever Allah ordains it.

We need to have our spiritual affairs in order and In Sha Allah victory will come.

I’m not saying ok don’t need any weapons just pick up stones and sticks and let’s win.

I’m saying every time Muslims have been victorious for long stretches of time has been when we are the most strict on ourselves regarding the Quran and the Sunnah and being united as one people regardless of race and social class.

Same thing here. If you focus on lobbies, alliances, weaponry before making sure you are praying 5x a day, avoiding major sins, etc, then you can have the best weapons, allied with the whole world but if Allah is not happy with you and destined you to lose, you will lose. Remember the 6 day war? Yeah.

Unfortunately some Muslims even at the thought of the above will scoff and say things like how will praying help us win etc. Nauzubillah. This is how weak our Iman has gotten that we forgot our own history and tenants of faith.

Faith first, duties toward Allah first, then use the means (alliances, military systems, technology)- not the other way around.

Unite on the Haqq and let’s go.

I am of the opposite opinion. Spiritual affairs are perfect for perfecting your spiritual well being. On the other hand, military development needs experts in that field, praying in masjids is just that...praying in masjids.

Muslim nations of today have any amount of expert imams but if you expect imams to invent leading edge drones, then you are living in some alternate universe. Horses for courses my man. Horses for courses. Let the specialists excel in their own fields and with less interference from those qualified in spiritual matters.

 

[Josh]

Turkey and Syria under Jolani are friends with Israel. Israeli jets refuelled over Syrian skies

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Turkey and Syria under Jolani are friends with Israel. Israeli jets refuelled over Syrian skies

They are just playing the smart game, keeping the big boys onside until the time comes for a reckoning.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Without technologically advanced weapons...it is futile to expect great results. As Prophet PBUH has said that first tie your camel and then keep faith in ALLAH

I am of the opposite opinion. Spiritual affairs are perfect for perfecting your spiritual well being. On the other hand, military development needs experts in that field, praying in masjids is just that...praying in masjids.

Muslim nations of today have any amount of expert imams but if you expect imams to invent leading edge drones, then you are living in some alternate universe. Horses for courses my man. Horses for courses. Let the specialists excel in their own fields and with less interference from those qualified in spiritual matters.

 

[Suleiman]

I am of the opposite opinion. Spiritual affairs are perfect for perfecting your spiritual well being. On the other hand, military development needs experts in that field, praying in masjids is just that...praying in masjids.

Muslim nations of today have any amount of expert imams but if you expect imams to invent leading edge drones, then you are living in some alternate universe. Horses for courses my man. Horses for courses. Let the specialists excel in their own fields and with less interference from those qualified in spiritual matters.

But that’s not what I’m saying.

what I’m saying is not choose one or the other. Do both.

Islam is actually against just sitting in the masjid and leaving your worldly affairs altogether.

What it instead prescribes is fulfilling your religious duties AND fulfilling your duties in the world. That’s why I said, I’m not saying just pray all day and then go to war with sticks and stones.

That is not the Islamic way.

The Islamic way is to pray, put God first, then with that belief work on your worldly affairs, strengthen your military, develop technology, strategy, etc etc.

You are not leaving military strategy and development to only pray and expect Allah to rain fire on the enemy while you chill at home (even though He can)

But you are also not deserting your spiritual duties to only focus on the worldly affairs and leaving the etiquette of battle and warfare ordained in the Quran and Sunnah. The Prophet PBUH was a living example of spirituality + hard work and dedication in the worldly realm.

He assigned his companions best suited for whatever role that was required.

He assigned Khalid Ibn Waleed RA as military commander for many battles, who is an undefeated general to this day. Khalid RA knew very little Quran, because his main role was that of a general and commander.

No where does it say to assign imams even if they are not qualified for certain roles.

But that’s the issue. In this day and age we think both of these realms are mutually exclusive, but they’re not.

It’s a balance. Always has been.

 

[Suleiman]

But states like Iran and the extremes we see within the Ummah makes it look like an all or nothing deal. It really isn’t. And when people see those extremes they want to throw the baby away with the bath water and go full secular and leave the faith that we saw centuries of success in.

Some of the greatest leaders in Islam like Uthman Ibn Affan RA, Umar Ibn Abdul Aziz or Harun Rasheed were military strategists, experienced in warfare, pushed for social and educational reforms but also highly qualified in the religion and proper Muslims.

 

[Farhan The Man]

the extremes we see within the Ummah

Which ummah?

You mean jordan that shot down irani drones destined for israel.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Credible Ulema suggest the end times are not imminent. The Ummah has never been so fractured and deviants are ruling the majority including the Holy Land.

This certainly seem like a historical Nadir but there's been worse, I guess ?

 

[Farhan The Man]

Credible Ulema

Like who?

 

[speed]

Dajjal will come from Isfahan with 70,000 jews, makes sense, The shah will be back, his son (pro isreal) and the Iranian Jewish population will grow before this happens.

 

[speed]

Btw the way shias never had a great empire they only ever faught with other sunni empires the fatamids fought the seljuks and the safavids faught the mughals and ottomans constantly, they have never expanded Islam's borders they have only ever faught with other sunni empires.

 

[Josh]

Still unsure if she is really her daughter...her face doesn't match with this lady with same name

It's his daughter and upset due to Iran's support for Assad regime and now with Al Jolani in charge she is really happy.

 

[Josh]

Btw the way shias never had a great empire they only ever faught with other sunni empires the fatamids fought the seljuks and the safavids faught the mughals and ottomans constantly, they have never expanded Islam's borders they have only ever faught with other sunni empires.

Shias also didn't have uncontrolled extremists because there is a power centre in Iran who they listen to unlike very decentralised leadership in Sunni Islam

 

[sweep_shot]

Dajjal will come from Isfahan with 70,000 jews, makes sense, The shah will be back, his son (pro isreal) and the Iranian Jewish population will grow before this happens.

Yup.

This is the Hadith --> Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said, "Dajjal (the Antichrist) will be followed by seventy thousand Jews of Isfahan and will be dressed in robes of green coloured satin."

Source: https://sunnah.com/riyadussalihin:1812.

Isfahan is in Iran.

I have written it before. I think there is a possible connection between Israel and Dajjal.

 

[speed]

Shias also didn't have uncontrolled extremists because there is a power centre in Iran who they listen to unlike very decentralised leadership in Sunni Islam

they do see what they did in syria and iraq, if you think they are angels, think again.

 

[Boyka]

I’d like to see Israel fight a ground war, they not very good up close and personal. If you notice, US/Israel only ever attack countries who have no airforce. Air superiority in a region without any enemies is not very difficult.

Hezbollah dealt with them in 2006. Since then Israel has worked hard to infiltrate these groups and weaken them from within.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

But that’s not what I’m saying.

what I’m saying is not choose one or the other. Do both.

Islam is actually against just sitting in the masjid and leaving your worldly affairs altogether.

What it instead prescribes is fulfilling your religious duties AND fulfilling your duties in the world. That’s why I said, I’m not saying just pray all day and then go to war with sticks and stones.

That is not the Islamic way.

The Islamic way is to pray, put God first, then with that belief work on your worldly affairs, strengthen your military, develop technology, strategy, etc etc.

You are not leaving military strategy and development to only pray and expect Allah to rain fire on the enemy while you chill at home (even though He can)

But you are also not deserting your spiritual duties to only focus on the worldly affairs and leaving the etiquette of battle and warfare ordained in the Quran and Sunnah. The Prophet PBUH was a living example of spirituality + hard work and dedication in the worldly realm.

He assigned his companions best suited for whatever role that was required.

He assigned Khalid Ibn Waleed RA as military commander for many battles, who is an undefeated general to this day. Khalid RA knew very little Quran, because his main role was that of a general and commander.

No where does it say to assign imams even if they are not qualified for certain roles.

But that’s the issue. In this day and age we think both of these realms are mutually exclusive, but they’re not.

It’s a balance. Always has been.

There is the intellectual theory and there is what you actually see in front of your eyes. I have yet to see a theocratic state which is successful in anything other than spiritual discourse or perhaps civil code. In matters of technological advance and warfare they are usually dependent on kafir even for defensive purpose. Which is why until they are proven more competent, better to leave it to whoever can do the job best regardless of religious qualities.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I’d like to see Israel fight a ground war, they not very good up close and personal. If you notice, US/Israel only ever attack countries who have no airforce. Air superiority in a region without any enemies is not very difficult.

Hezbollah dealt with them in 2006. Since then Israel has worked hard to infiltrate these groups and weaken them from within.

israel is winning the wars without fighting a ground war. So why would they engage in one?

If Iran can defeat them in a ground war they should invade israel.

 

[Suleiman]

Also the reason I don’t use Iran as an example of a model country for what I said above is because the governing body doesn’t follow Islam. Shiaism is not Islam.

Sorry if that hurts anyone’s feelings, but I have to be upfront here and differentiate away from anything that deviates away from the Quran and Sunnah and invents its own thing.

Spirituality in accordance to the Quran and what the Prophet (Peace be upon him) and his companions (May Allah be pleased with them) set.

Not just inventing and innovating your own thing and calling it Islam. Not co-signing on that, sorry.

 

[Suleiman]

There is the intellectual theory and there is what you actually see in front of your eyes. I have yet to see a theocratic state which is successful in anything other than spiritual discourse or perhaps civil code. In matters of technological advance and warfare they are usually dependent on kafir even for defensive purpose. Which is why until they are proven more competent, better to leave it to whoever can do the job best regardless of religious qualities.

It’s not theory though. It has been done before. We think 50-100 or 200 years is a long time but really in the grand scheme of things it’s a blink of an eye.

During and after the time of the Prophet peace be upon him, Arabs went from shepherds and mere nomads for centuries to ruling everything between Cordoba in modern day Spain to modern day Afghanistan, parts of Pakistan. That was not luck. Odds stacked against us almost every time, Romans with superior “technology” of the time, same with Persians, Yahud up to the same tricks as today. 70-100 years after he, peace be upon him, passed away the Banu Umayya and the kingdoms after started growing weaker in their faith but were still far better in adhering to it than we see now and enjoyed worldly success as well.

We don’t have the concept of the Ummah which the Brits ensured to do their best to psychologically erase a 100 years ago, everything is about nationalism, they carved up the Middle East after the Banu Uthman(Ottomans) collapsed, gave everyone in the Middle East random flags with the same shapes and colors, forced differences to clash on and dipped.

It may take time to come back together, but right now we are so far off from where should be as Muslims, following non Muslim systems of parliament, democracy, PMs, entrenched in the disease of nationalism for man made borders of man made countries and identities that it will take time to build back.

Prophet Muhammad PBUH predicted that we will deviate from the path for a while but there is a designated number of Khalifas promised, and then ofc under Imam Mahdi we will see the fruits of this again as well. We won’t be fragmented forever, In Sha Allah.

But it starts at an individual level, and builds from there.

 

[Boyka]

israel is winning the wars without fighting a ground war. So why would they engage in one?

If Iran can defeat them in a ground war they should invade israel.

Don’t know, I’m answering the OP.

I think geography gets in the way. Hezbollah should get involved, but I don’t think they’re as strong as they were.

 

[Theo_14]

No.

Israel has the backing of US and recently UK (through the F-35 jets; partially produced by BAE systems.)

The other thing is - America has an incredible strategy implementation whereby they have a airbase or someone sort of stake in every gulf state. Don’t see Israel going down; infact Israel is USA’s very own proxy for the dirty work.

 

[Bewal Express]

No.

Israel has the backing of US and recently UK (through the F-35 jets; partially produced by BAE systems.)

The other thing is - America has an incredible strategy implementation whereby they have a airbase or someone sort of stake in every gulf state. Don’t see Israel going down; infact Israel is USA’s very own proxy for the dirty work.

Yes but it needs to be a Muslim nation and not some corrupt country with leaders that owe their allegiance to America or Russia or whoever else they pay to protect them.

 

[Golu-momin]

Islam is the religion of mercy and peace. Islam allowed the Jews and Christians to remain in Muslim lands, and did not expel them or kill them, as they did and still do when they gain control over Muslim lands. But it is also well known among Muslims that they will overcome Zions before the end of times and would end the tyranny once and for all.

But the big question is it the fate of Muslims to suffer before the end of times or any Muslim nation can still give them a taste of their medicine before it.

Islam more than science and technology believe in Allah ,Qayamat,Kufar,Kafir they are all old dated technology won’t work so practically you can’t compete with a nation who are far superior compared to all muslim nations,jews are the race who gave wolrd 9 noble scientists. They are most intelligent race forgot about muslims even china and India can’t compete with them.
Paijan na karen is ultimate weapon khuda ka khoff krein

 

[Golu-momin]

Don't you know the history. UK followed by US were the biggest proponent of the zionist regime so the responsibility lies with them to accommodate them in places originally belonging to them.

Also don't you know that Palestinians in millions are living in Egypt and Jordan.

Furthermore, your logic in post 8 is too flawed. It is just like suggesting, if a rogue regime like Israel occupies the India tomorrow then they should kick out all the Hindus from there as there are already some dharmic or santanic states around the world

You can continue to believe fairy tales as is your right but in the real world Hindus are dominant and have kept neighbouring Muslim countries in a state of submissiveness. This is the reality of the world we live in.

What kind of submissiveness india kept neighbouring countries Bangladeshi threatening us, Nepal a few years ago on a river i forgot that name were threatening to capture villages,Pakistan downed 6 fighter jets But Modi feku Anpadh ke Ghade Alag hi dunia me hai

 

[Golu-momin]

It would be end of Pakistan if they try to attack on israel because its completely different to engage in fight with india compared to to isreael As Pakistan wont have hidden American support and help from china

 

[Boyka]

Just remember, tide of battle can turn very quickly whenever Allah ordains it.

We need to have our spiritual affairs in order and In Sha Allah victory will come.

I’m not saying ok don’t need any weapons just pick up stones and sticks and let’s win.

I’m saying every time Muslims have been victorious for long stretches of time has been when we are the most strict on ourselves regarding the Quran and the Sunnah and being united as one people regardless of race and social class.

Same thing here. If you focus on lobbies, alliances, weaponry before making sure you are praying 5x a day, avoiding major sins, etc, then you can have the best weapons, allied with the whole world but if Allah is not happy with you and destined you to lose, you will lose. Remember the 6 day war? Yeah.

Unfortunately some Muslims even at the thought of the above will scoff and say things like how will praying help us win etc. Nauzubillah. This is how weak our Iman has gotten that we forgot our own history and tenants of faith.

Faith first, duties toward Allah first, then use the means (alliances, military systems, technology)- not the other way around.

Unite on the Haqq and let’s go.

Too many of us Pakistanis think like this. With respect my brother, I think it’s the other way round. Nobody should question anyone’s faith. How do we know at which point in time of we are not upon the Quran and Sunnah? Or how weak the collective of our iman is?

It is because of our faith we act, not in spite of it.

Loss doesn’t mean Gods punishment, it means you haven’t prepared for what’s to come. That’s not the prophetic way.

If I was to take your advice, I’d rather be a Sufi and sit in the mountain.

We don’t eat because because we think God will put it on a plate for us.

Our country doesn’t develop because we think we are not faithful enough.

We don’t need to question our faith to when we’re unsuccessful. That’s literally the opposite of taqwa.

 

[Bhaijaan]

It is essential for the Muslim world to keep friendship with India. A rogue Bharat is a threat to 75% of the global Muslim population. Hopefully that will never be the case because friendship between sons of Sri Ram and Mohammad PBUH is historic.

Muslim world thank PM Modi, MBS, Emirati, Qatari, Omani sheikhs who have been trying their best to maintain cordial relationship between both civilisations.

Stop chasing the West. They will keep on provoking these kind of wars.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Let's hope things de-escalates asap, a full blown war with Israel/US vs Iran is not a fair fight, it is the end of Iran...

 

[JaDed]

Let's hope things de-escalates asap, a full blown war with Israel/US vs Iran is not a fair fight, it is the end of Iran...

1000 cuts is what Israel and US would do, like Lebanon Syria

 

[Romali_rotti]

Dajjal will come from Isfahan with 70,000 jews, makes sense, The shah will be back, his son (pro isreal) and the Iranian Jewish population will grow before this happens.

Nice sounds like a good theme for a movie.

 

[Romali_rotti]

1000 cuts is what Israel and US would do, like Lebanon Syria

I like Iran, have good Iranian friends they have always been respectful and appreciative of the Indian culture. I don't want anything bad happening to Iran to be honest.

 

[HalBass9]

1000 cuts is what Israel and US would do, like Lebanon Syria

Get the ayotullah and the regime is history.

 

[HalBass9]

I like Iran, have good Iranian friends they have always been respectful and appreciative of the Indian culture. I don't want anything bad happening to Iran to be honest.

Does he know how much you hate converts?

 

[JaDed]

Get the ayotullah and the regime is history.

You have to get all 12.. not happening, Shias are deeply considerate of the Twelver.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Does he know how much you hate converts?

Blashphemy...

I don't hate converts.

I think they are misguided the ones in the Indian sub continent that is, funny part is Iranians I know echos similar sentiment ..

 

[BouncerGuy]

KEEP YOUR IRRELEVANT AND PERSONAL STUFF AWAY FROM THIS THREAD.

READ THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD NOW BEFORE YOU POST HERE.

 

[Farhan The Man]

Y'all have been sucked in. israelis/mullahs are same side of a coin.

Like pulwama incident regained legitimacy of evil pak army, this shootout only reinforces murderous irani mullahs' upper hand in middle east politics, which faltered in last little while.

muslims were desperate for a "hero" amongst their praying, technology-inferior masses. The west obliged with this show. A great game played out on TV.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It’s not theory though. It has been done before. We think 50-100 or 200 years is a long time but really in the grand scheme of things it’s a blink of an eye.

During and after the time of the Prophet peace be upon him, Arabs went from shepherds and mere nomads for centuries to ruling everything between Cordoba in modern day Spain to modern day Afghanistan, parts of Pakistan. That was not luck. Odds stacked against us almost every time, Romans with superior “technology” of the time, same with Persians, Yahud up to the same tricks as today. 70-100 years after he, peace be upon him, passed away the Banu Umayya and the kingdoms after started growing weaker in their faith but were still far better in adhering to it than we see now and enjoyed worldly success as well.

We don’t have the concept of the Ummah which the Brits ensured to do their best to psychologically erase a 100 years ago, everything is about nationalism, they carved up the Middle East after the Banu Uthman(Ottomans) collapsed, gave everyone in the Middle East random flags with the same shapes and colors, forced differences to clash on and dipped.

It may take time to come back together, but right now we are so far off from where should be as Muslims, following non Muslim systems of parliament, democracy, PMs, entrenched in the disease of nationalism for man made borders of man made countries and identities that it will take time to build back.

Prophet Muhammad PBUH predicted that we will deviate from the path for a while but there is a designated number of Khalifas promised, and then ofc under Imam Mahdi we will see the fruits of this again as well. We won’t be fragmented forever, In Sha Allah.

But it starts at an individual level, and builds from there.

Sorry but I disagree again.

Muslims still have a firm concept of Ummah...so much so that you see non-Muslims repeating it on a constant loop on these forums like a mantra.

There is no lack of intent from the general public in Muslim countries, but yes the British carved up the Ottoman Caliphate and split the Muslim world into nation states in an attempt to pit them against each other. For this you have to give them credit, they were more strategic, and they strove to increase their knowledge and industry, while Muslims relied too much on Allah SWT to do the heavy lifting while they brushed their teeth with miswak and discussed the right length of trouser hems.

Individuals are perfectly capable of perfecting their prayers and iman in their own time, I agree with this. But if you want to take on first world nations in warfare, you need to be able to match their military hardware...and not be dependent on your enemy to provide it.

 

[Boyka]

It’s not theory though. It has been done before. We think 50-100 or 200 years is a long time but really in the grand scheme of things it’s a blink of an eye.

During and after the time of the Prophet peace be upon him, Arabs went from shepherds and mere nomads for centuries to ruling everything between Cordoba in modern day Spain to modern day Afghanistan, parts of Pakistan. That was not luck. Odds stacked against us almost every time, Romans with superior “technology” of the time, same with Persians, Yahud up to the same tricks as today. 70-100 years after he, peace be upon him, passed away the Banu Umayya and the kingdoms after started growing weaker in their faith but were still far better in adhering to it than we see now and enjoyed worldly success as well.

We don’t have the concept of the Ummah which the Brits ensured to do their best to psychologically erase a 100 years ago, everything is about nationalism, they carved up the Middle East after the Banu Uthman(Ottomans) collapsed, gave everyone in the Middle East random flags with the same shapes and colors, forced differences to clash on and dipped.

It may take time to come back together, but right now we are so far off from where should be as Muslims, following non Muslim systems of parliament, democracy, PMs, entrenched in the disease of nationalism for man made borders of man made countries and identities that it will take time to build back.

Prophet Muhammad PBUH predicted that we will deviate from the path for a while but there is a designated number of Khalifas promised, and then ofc under Imam Mahdi we will see the fruits of this again as well. We won’t be fragmented forever, In Sha Allah.

But it starts at an individual level, and builds from there.

You are right that we are not a political collective but what has this attitude done for us in 100 years since the Ottoman Empire? And why would you leave it in Gods hands if we have been given the means and aql to make decisions for the sake of him?

Whatever system we belong or are in, we need to mature beyond the emotional and religious element to fuse both innovation and action. States like Pakistan and Türkiye are learning but there are far too many reliant on those who caused the divisions in the first place. This is what will take time to reverse not some fabled caliphate.

 

[Suleiman]

Haven’t forgotten to respond to the above posts. Will reply to both, bit pressed for time currently. Thanks

 

[LordJames]

I am of the opposite opinion. Spiritual affairs are perfect for perfecting your spiritual well being. On the other hand, military development needs experts in that field, praying in masjids is just that...praying in masjids.

Muslim nations of today have any amount of expert imams but if you expect imams to invent leading edge drones, then you are living in some alternate universe. Horses for courses my man. Horses for courses. Let the specialists excel in their own fields and with less interference from those qualified in spiritual matters.

Think of it this way:

Islam is like a vast encampment made up of different "tents"—each serving a distinct but essential role. Just as society needs doctors, engineers, and technicians to function, it also needs spiritual leaders to guide the soul and conscience of humanity. The West may boast advanced technology and scientific expertise, but the absence of spiritual grounding has left it in disarray. Many in Pakistan may not see it firsthand, but here in the West, the reality is stark—elderly people abandoned, broken families, marriages collapsing, directionless youth, rampant drug abuse, and city streets that reek of urine, with addicts slumped over in broad daylight.

The Imams never claimed to be experts in drone warfare, nor did Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) ever discourage the pursuit of science and technology—quite the opposite. He emphasized knowledge and progress in all fields.

Yes, Pakistan has regressed—but not just in the religious sphere. Let me ask honestly: which “tent” in Pakistan has actually progressed? Are we world leaders in medicine, mathematics, science, or aerospace? Even the JF-17 fighter jet that Pakistan parades with pride is largely Chinese in origin.

Blaming everything on the “Mullah” is a lazy scapegoat. Were it the religious scholars who ruined the universities? Did the "Mullahs" erode merit and facilitate people like Maryam Nawaz getting into medical schools through influence rather than qualification?

Let’s be honest—decline in Pakistan is across the board, not confined to the religious class.

And finally, Islam doesn’t expect every Muslim to become a “Mullah.” What it asks is that each believer learns enough of the faith to fulfill their religious obligations—and then pursue excellence in whatever field they choose. Practice Islam, uphold its principles, and then go on to become a doctor, engineer, nuclear scientist—whatever your passion is. And if someone chooses to dedicate themselves to Islamic scholarship, that too is perfectly valid. There’s space for all roles in a balanced, thriving Muslim society.

There are some who will become leading professors of Surgery, a "Mullah" and a "spiritual advisor" and lot more and so be it..

 

[Farhan The Man]

elderly people abandoned, broken families, marriages collapsing, directionless youth, rampant drug abuse, and city streets that reek of urine, with addicts slumped over in broad daylight.

You just explained present-day karachi society and streets. To a tee.

That wasn't the case before the 80s.

pakistan poisoned itself by rebranding as islamic republick in '71.

 

[topspin]

Dajjal will come from Isfahan with 70,000 jews, makes sense, The shah will be back, his son (pro isreal) and the Iranian Jewish population will grow before this happens.

Makes you wonder whether the Zionists will conquer Iran and then turn it into another Israel at some point? In sha Allah, this doesn't happen but this could be the turning point.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Think of it this way:

Islam is like a vast encampment made up of different "tents"—each serving a distinct but essential role. Just as society needs doctors, engineers, and technicians to function, it also needs spiritual leaders to guide the soul and conscience of humanity. The West may boast advanced technology and scientific expertise, but the absence of spiritual grounding has left it in disarray. Many in Pakistan may not see it firsthand, but here in the West, the reality is stark—elderly people abandoned, broken families, marriages collapsing, directionless youth, rampant drug abuse, and city streets that reek of urine, with addicts slumped over in broad daylight.

The Imams never claimed to be experts in drone warfare, nor did Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) ever discourage the pursuit of science and technology—quite the opposite. He emphasized knowledge and progress in all fields.

Yes, Pakistan has regressed—but not just in the religious sphere. Let me ask honestly: which “tent” in Pakistan has actually progressed? Are we world leaders in medicine, mathematics, science, or aerospace? Even the JF-17 fighter jet that Pakistan parades with pride is largely Chinese in origin.

Blaming everything on the “Mullah” is a lazy scapegoat. Were it the religious scholars who ruined the universities? Did the "Mullahs" erode merit and facilitate people like Maryam Nawaz getting into medical schools through influence rather than qualification?

Let’s be honest—decline in Pakistan is across the board, not confined to the religious class.

And finally, Islam doesn’t expect every Muslim to become a “Mullah.” What it asks is that each believer learns enough of the faith to fulfill their religious obligations—and then pursue excellence in whatever field they choose. Practice Islam, uphold its principles, and then go on to become a doctor, engineer, nuclear scientist—whatever your passion is. And if someone chooses to dedicate themselves to Islamic scholarship, that too is perfectly valid. There’s space for all roles in a balanced, thriving Muslim society.

There are some who will become leading professors of Surgery, a "Mullah" and a "spiritual advisor" and lot more and so be it..

I am not blaming the "Mullah" for everything. I have already said that they are perfect for dissecting and disseminating religious doctrine. My take is that we cannot wait for the perfect Islamic community to arise while the world burns. Universities, military, civil institutions etc must produce their work regardless, and my suspicion is that the Muslim world takes the easy way out and is happy to wait until religious scholars or Allah SWT drops the solution in their laps.

So for example, don't blame lack of religious perfection for failings of a country. Blame the politicians and the institutions.

 

[Farhan The Man]

Y'all have been sucked in. israelis/mullahs are same side of a coin.

Like pulwama incident regained legitimacy of evil pak army, this shootout only reinforces murderous irani mullahs' upper hand in middle east politics, which faltered in last little while.

muslims were desperate for a "hero" amongst their praying, technology-inferior masses. The west obliged with this show. A great game played out on TV.

This game is being played out.

As I scripted. To a tee.

I called it first.

 

[Finisher]

This game is being played out.

As I scripted. To a tee.

I called it first.

Explain the sanctions and Irans support for Armenia over its Shia brethren Azerbaijan