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South africa,newzealand,england all were almost whitewashed in india that too in 4-5 match series had it not been rain in 1 or 2 matches .. ..some matches were completed in 3-4 days..No excuses of tosses as well...australia though they also won their first test match in india after 10 years ...they also used to get whitewash here most of the times...but this time way out of form world best bat & spinner as kohli & ashwin and winning 3 tosses still they cudnt beat india in a series........
My question is do you see any team beating india in a series in india?
 
Realistically, no. But I am sure that most Pakistani fans would feel otherwise.
 
Sure why not. Great Pakistan can defeat India in India at anytime. That's one of the reasons why BCCI is not too keen to organise a Test Series in India.
 
Pakistan should easily whitewash India in India :yk

Seriously tho, India are a mighty strong team in India. A batting line-up so well set that the weak link is Kohli :P

Bowling can easily get 20 wickets.

Man, a Pak v Ind series in India would be a gem of a series
 
India vs Pakistan would be a cracker of a contest.

Once Pakistan builds a 2, 3 men spin attack which they will with enough testing, it would be the tough challenge for both teams.
 
Their ace batsman and ace bowler struggle. Main fast bowler missing. Opposition still can't win the series. So there is lot of resilience.
 
England did in 2012 .
Pakistan can as well .. They always play well in India. Even afridi with his fast spin was unplayable in 2005 last test .
The real question is can anyteam win the series in the UAE ??

India has lost to england . Pakistan are yet to lose a series.
 
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Pace attack of umesh,mohammad shami,bhuvi. spin attack of jadeja,ashwin, kuldeep .....batting there is weak link of saha and karun nair though....plus i am never been impressed since long time with our slip catching or catches normally in test matches ....
 
England did in 2012 .
Pakistan can as well .. They always play well in India. Even afridi with his fast spin was unplayable in 2005 last test .
The real question is can anyteam win the series in the UAE ??

India has lost to england . Pakistan are yet to lose a series.

you guys cudnt beat south africa and new zealand in uae i think...but look we beat them that too not in some mini series like pakistan beating aussies since ages in uae after winning the both tosses in 2 match series......we have beaten them all the teams with lossing almost all the tosses & that too in long series..not a sort of 2 match series
i asked this question because its the way we beat all teams here....demolish them compltly ..this time aussies gave us fight and all the odds against us india that kohli , ashwin two gun players out of form..,lost 3 tosses still they cudnt beat us...plus yes england won in 2012...but in that case i shud include pakistan cudnt beat zimbawe outside uae as well...so we shud talk abt present.
 
you guys cudnt beat south africa and new zealand in uae i think...but look we beat them that too not in some mini series like pakistan beating aussies since ages in uae after winning the both tosses in 2 match series......we have beaten them all the teams with lossing almost all the tosses & that too in long series..not a sort of 2 match series
i asked this question because its the way we beat all teams here....demolish them compltly ..this time aussies gave us fight and all the odds against us india that kohli , ashwin two gun players out of form..,lost 3 tosses still they cudnt beat us...plus yes england won in 2012...but in that case i shud include pakistan cudnt beat zimbawe outside uae as well...so we shud talk abt present.

You asked a simple question .
England has already beaten india .
Pakistan are the only team that hasnt lost a series so techinically your question was sort of wrong .
Would have made sense if india hadnt lost a test series at home .
 
the only team that can beat India in India is Pakistan, Indians are smart, they know it as much as we do. But they don't want a repeat of Aane Do! series, their number 1 spot will be in grave danger because soon they will be stepping out of their precious doll houses to play in non friendly conditions against the big boys, if they lose to Pakistan, and then get pummeled in SA, Eng and Aus, they will be far from the top spot.
 
Eng didn't happen 50 years back. Aus was also in contention and even now anything can happen.
 
Eng didn't happen 50 years back. Aus was also in contention and even now anything can happen.

This series is over....but england did beat us in 2012 by 2-1....cmmon its been almost 4-5 years since then and before that also we were quite good for a long time
 
the only team that can beat India in India is Pakistan, Indians are smart, they know it as much as we do. But they don't want a repeat of Aane Do! series, their number 1 spot will be in grave danger because soon they will be stepping out of their precious doll houses to play in non friendly conditions against the big boys, if they lose to Pakistan, and then get pummeled in SA, Eng and Aus, they will be far from the top spot.

Well champions trophy is around the corner..you will again get your chance then ....plus if our are dolls outside asia..then pakistan didnt beat zimbawe,newzealand any team ....The only place they played well is in england...
 
This series is over....but england did beat us in 2012 by 2-1....cmmon its been almost 4-5 years since then and before that also we were quite good for a long time

4-5 years is not long enough to start asking question like if any team can win Series in India. 10-20 years of unbeaten run may be fine when asking such question.
 
Well champions trophy is around the corner..you will again get your chance then ....plus if our are dolls outside asia..then pakistan didnt beat zimbawe,newzealand any team ....The only place they played well is in england...

Yes and india couldnt even play well in england so you get the point ??
 
Well champions trophy is around the corner..you will again get your chance then ....plus if our are dolls outside asia..then pakistan didnt beat zimbawe,newzealand any team ....The only place they played well is in england...

No one disputed two dolls being present.
 
Well champions trophy is around the corner..you will again get your chance then ....plus if our are dolls outside asia..then pakistan didnt beat zimbawe,newzealand any team ....The only place they played well is in england...


You're never gonna admit it but Pakistan is capable of beating India in India, no matter how much you do mouthing off here, Pakistan have what it taked to beat India in India.
 
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But we played well in zimbawe ,australia,new zealand,south africa ,west indies than pakistan na.....so you get the point...

in the Pakistan India test series, If India play well, they will lose 3-0 otherwise they will lose 4-0
 
But we played well in zimbawe ,australia,new zealand,south africa ,west indies than pakistan na.....so you get the point...

Lol.
India didnt win a single test in australia . newzealand . Southafrica . Got demolished in england . The number is 0.
Hanging in by the skin of your teeth against australia at home imagine what touring will be like this time around.
Btw stop making excuses about stuff like losing the toss and two match series .
It works both ways Einstein.
If this was a two match series it would hve ended 1-1 . Be gracious.
 
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Lol.
India didnt win a single test in australia . newzealand . Southafrica . Got demolished in england . The number is 0.
Hanging in by the skin of your teeth against australia at home imagine what touring will be like this time around.
Btw stop making excuses about stuff like losing the toss and two match series .
It works both ways Einstein.
If this was a two match series it would hve ended 1-1 . Be gracious.

But ranking doesnt go like that einstein..it goes like how many matches you have not lost or drawn as well....pakistan were white washed everywhere except england ...but india were not...it has effect on ranking man....pakistan did win one extra test match than india in england only...but pakistan lost to zimbawe , west indies as well...so you knkw what i mean....
 
England did in 2012 .
Pakistan can as well .. They always play well in India. Even afridi with his fast spin was unplayable in 2005 last test .
The real question is can anyteam win the series in the UAE ??

India has lost to england . Pakistan are yet to lose a series.

England 2012 was a blip mate, taking nothing away from england performance the stars lined up for them. Our team consisted mostly of over the hill stars who couldn't hack it any more or young guns who hadn't grown into their roles yet. Eg. Sehwag, Tendulkar, zaheer, harbhajan for the former while jadeja, kohli, pujara in the latter.

England caught us at our worst while they had an actual ATG team with an on song cook with KP, trott, bell and prior chipping, with a bowling lineup at its peak with anderson, broad swann and panesar. That sort of a scenario won't take place with team atleast for a few years.
 
Pak i think 2015 would have easily beaten India in India but now with Misbah on the decline. YK has 1 or 2 years left and apart from Yasir we have no top class Test match spinners. Zulfi is finished and likes of Zafar Gohar Shadab Usama Mir are untested. India have the best overall Spin attack in the world. Ashwin and Jadeja are world class at home. And Kuldeep Yadav looks like a real wicket taking option.

India also have better ARs than us which gives them a lot more depth in batting. Likes of Ashwin Jadeja even BK can chip in with 30s 40s 50s regularly even 100s from time to time. They can turn 250-6 into 400. While we often go from 250-6 to 290 all out.
 
Only England can beat India in India at this point.

You need a spin attack that can rivals Indian spinners and also batsmen who can dominate Ashwin/Jaddu.

Aus needed one more batsman to support Steve Smith. Their bowling is good enough to win in India.

All England needs is one champion spinner and they can easily defeat India in India.

This Ausbseries is not over yet. So premature thread.
 
Only England can beat India in India at this point.

You need a spin attack that can rivals Indian spinners and also batsmen who can dominate Ashwin/Jaddu.

Aus needed one more batsman to support Steve Smith. Their bowling is good enough to win in India.

All England needs is one champion spinner and they can easily defeat India in India.

This Ausbseries is not over yet. So premature thread.

All india need is a world class pacer or 2 and we can win in every country in the world, all i need is superman-esque powers and i can fly around in uncomfortable looking clothing saving the world. All ifs and buts dude, fact of the matter is at this point in time no team can confidently claim that they can definitely beat india in india.
 
You shouldn't have made the thread after this series.. India have been pathetic
 
4-5 years is not long enough to start asking question like if any team can win Series in India. 10-20 years of unbeaten run may be fine when asking such question.

But in these 4-5 years india only lost 1 match at home and teams are not even been able to draw series or we see draw matches also very rare in india,so i asked .And before that england 2-1 win here in india in 2012 ,india were unbeatable for long run as well
 
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A couple of years back, I'd have backed us to win but India would be favourites now.
 
A quality team will always challenge India as a LOT of Indian players themselves aren't proven great test cricketers yet. Australia could have beaten india and well with his seems like but if a jinx already because the match isn't over yet and you never know maybe Cummins takes a hattrick first over tomorrow and turns the match on its head.

Nonetheless India have been great and very dominant. Absolutely deserve the #1 tag.
 
I think we should wait for the outcome of tomorrow's sessions before getting too excited about it. The game is not won for India yet and there is enough demon in the wicket to keep the likes of Leon, O'Keefe, Cummins and Hazelwood interested. The result could still be 2-1 in Australia's favour. So guys, hold on to your horses.
 
This series has shown the vulnerabilities and tomorrow could still turn out to be a series loss.

But our Test team somehow does not seem fully settled yet - question marks over Vijay's place, 5th batsman vs bowler strategy not yet sealed, 2nd seamer's slot also a toss up depending on Shami's availability. Add to it the slip catching woes which have gone on for far too long.
 
Pakistan could. i would be a lot confident a few months ago but since our disaster test series in NZ/Aus we all doubt our test side more. I reckon though that this team could beat them, hopefully we get back to winning ways in WI
 
England 2012 was a blip mate, taking nothing away from england performance the stars lined up for them. Our team consisted mostly of over the hill stars who couldn't hack it any more or young guns who hadn't grown into their roles yet. Eg. Sehwag, Tendulkar, zaheer, harbhajan for the former while jadeja, kohli, pujara in the latter.

England caught us at our worst while they had an actual ATG team with an on song cook with KP, trott, bell and prior chipping, with a bowling lineup at its peak with anderson, broad swann and panesar. That sort of a scenario won't take place with team atleast for a few years.

But isnt that the whole point of this thread .
Yes india can be beaten.
Not a wise thread to create after this performance against the aussies at home.
 
In 2015 we would have swept the floor with India in India

Now it will most likely be a draw or Indian win

Besides its not like England was decades ago
 
in the Pakistan India test series, If India play well, they will lose 3-0 otherwise they will lose 4-0

Quite evident from the fact that Pak are rated at the 6th spot in Tests and 8th in ODI's. What a champion team, who lost to the WI at home!!
 
But isnt that the whole point of this thread .
Yes india can be beaten.
Not a wise thread to create after this performance against the aussies at home.

Why not? We have been poor. Our best pacer has been out injured, our star player and skipper has been in all sorts of trouble, our best spinner has been trash and still we will end up winning this series 2-1 but for some miracle. These situations like ashwin and kohli going off the boil. Shami injured and out of series, wont happen together in the future. This was the worst case scenario and we are still winning, it hasn't been pretty or convincing but we are still winning and that is all that matters. As they say in football, if you want to be a top team you must know how to win when not playing well and india are doing that.
 
the question should be re-phrased to: "Can any team tie a test series with India in India". Australia came the closest to tying the series. Winning No. As a Pakistani, I have no shame in admitting it that contrary to what many fellow Pakistanis think, it will be hard for Pakistan to do so as well. India has a very balanced batting and bowling line up. It's very hard to beat India in India. Australia played the best cricket that they could and still come up short.
 
:))) :))) Is this even a question, India were just humiliated across all the tests by a minnow in asia. Pakistan would absolutely decimate India in India, they refuse to play us out of fear of being embarrassed
 
:))) :))) Is this even a question, India were just humiliated across all the tests by a minnow in asia. Pakistan would absolutely decimate India in India, they refuse to play us out of fear of being embarrassed

I wonder what were the results when that minnow team in Asia visited you the last time in your country back in ..... oh, I don't remember .... was it around 19 years ago or so?
 
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I wonder what were the results when that minnow team in Asia visited you the last time in your country back in ..... oh, I don't remember .... was it around 19 years ago or so?

We violated AUS in the UAE, SL violated them in Lanka and yet AUS the minnow in asia went the distance in India and almost won a closely fought series :))) how humiliating must that be, no wonder you refuse to play pakistan out of fear of losing test status; that's how bad we'd beat you, you'd get sent back to the associate era.
 
4-5 years is not long enough to start asking question like if any team can win Series in India. 10-20 years of unbeaten run may be fine when asking such question.

In 2015 we would have swept the floor with India in India

Now it will most likely be a draw or Indian win

Besides its not like England was decades ago

Why are you worried about what happened in the past? The question is if any team can win a series in India right now, against the current team.
 
Why are you worried about what happened in the past? The question is if any team can win a series in India right now, against the current team.

Because premise of question is faulty
 
No team can beat India in India at the moment because current players know how to score runs and take wickets on Indian wickets.
 
In 2015 we would have swept the floor with India in India

Now it will most likely be a draw or Indian win

Besides its not like England was decades ago

In 2015 swept the floor with India ? You mean India A team ?
Unless Imran Khan , Wasim, Waqar , Shoaib and Inzamam came back to play in 2015 then a possible close game.
But remind me the 2015 Pak team again ?
 
We violated AUS in the UAE, SL violated them in Lanka and yet AUS the minnow in asia went the distance in India and almost won a closely fought series :))) how humiliating must that be, no wonder you refuse to play pakistan out of fear of losing test status; that's how bad we'd beat you, you'd get sent back to the associate era.

Pakistan can rarely last 50 overs in a ODI , you expect to bat more than 40-50 overs in a Test Match ? :murali
 
Pakistan can rarely last 50 overs in a ODI , you expect to bat more than 40-50 overs in a Test Match ? :murali

Pakistan regularly posted 350+ scores in England and Australia and yes they will not be able to do so in India despite those conditions favoring them more. There is no limit to delusion.
 
We violated AUS in the UAE, SL violated them in Lanka and yet AUS the minnow in asia went the distance in India and almost won a closely fought series :))) how humiliating must that be, no wonder you refuse to play pakistan out of fear of losing test status; that's how bad we'd beat you, you'd get sent back to the associate era.

Looks like you have some comprehension problems. I asked you about the results when the Aussies last visited your land. Although I can understand it's not easy to recall events that happened 19 years ago ;-)
 
Well champions trophy is around the corner..you will again get your chance then ....plus if our are dolls outside asia..then pakistan didnt beat zimbawe,newzealand any team ....The only place they played well is in england...

I don't why you keep repeating this nonsense that Pakistan haven't beaten Zimbabwe and New Zealand away from home.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe-v-pakistan-2011/engine/match/523731.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/engine/series/473915.html

Pakistan has won a series in Zimbabwe and New Zealand under Misbah's bloody captaincy. We also beat India in India in an ODI series, and are the only Asian team with an ODI series win in South Africa. All under our current Test captain.

Last time Pakistan toured England we won 2 test matches and came back undefeated in the series, India got beaten conclusively even after winning the first game. Pakistan is undefeated in the UAE, our last home series defeat came to South Africa in 2007, the best team in the world. India's came to a formidable England in 2012.
 
Pakistan regularly posted 350+ scores in England and Australia and yes they will not be able to do so in India despite those conditions favoring them more. There is no limit to delusion.

Regularly posted 350 + scores in England and Australia , Could you please run the numbers by for which years / series
 
Looks like you have some comprehension problems. I asked you about the results when the Aussies last visited your land. Although I can understand it's not easy to recall events that happened 19 years ago ;-)

That was in 1998 when we lost 1-0, our second ever home series defeat to Australia. India lost in 2004, there 4th home series defeat to Australia.
 
Pakistan...because, why not, its been a slow news day so far.
 
Regularly posted 350 + scores in England and Australia , Could you please run the numbers by for which years / series

The last series they played in England and Australia. You can use CricInfo by yourself if you did not bother to watch any of those matches.

I really do not like to waste my time debating with someone who thinks Pakistani test team cannot survive 40-50 overs in a test match in India.
 
That was in 1998 when we lost 1-0, our second ever home series defeat to Australia. India lost in 2004, there 4th home series defeat to Australia.

Except that the Aussies have played 14 Test series in India, but just 8 Test series in Pakistan.

BTW, credit to you that you remember the year i.e 1998 ;-)
 
We violated AUS in the UAE, SL violated them in Lanka and yet AUS the minnow in asia went the distance in India and almost won a closely fought series :))) how humiliating must that be, no wonder you refuse to play pakistan out of fear of losing test status; that's how bad we'd beat you, you'd get sent back to the associate era.

Neither Pak in UAE nor SL in SL could beat the Kiwis who got badly whitewashed in India!!

The funny stories of associate era and all that..
 
Neither Pak in UAE nor SL in SL could beat the Kiwis who got badly whitewashed in India!!

The funny stories of associate era and all that..

Pakistan still didn't lose the series to New Zealand. By using similar logic I can say that the last time India won a test series in New Zealand was 2009, while Pakistan won in 2011, which is more recent thus making Pakistan better.
 
Interesting choice of words. I assume you likewise apply them to Pakistan when it toured Aus and NZ.

Pakistan did annihilate Australia when we whitewashed them in 2014.

The first test in the New Zealand tour was a low scoring affair in which their batsmen struggled to score against our bowlers as well. It was a bad game for batsmen all around.

The 2nd test Pakistan was actually going for the win in the final session to draw the series, which led to a batting collapse. It was a close game which Pakistan almost won, but should have drawn.

The first test against Australia was an epic.

The 2nd test had a double hundred from Azhar and we declared our first innings. A final day collapse won Australia the game.

The 3rd test had a typical big daddy hundred from Younis, and a more disciplined batting display on the final day would have drawn that game too.

No annihilation or violation of Pakistan took place on these tours during the games, our typical final day collapses cost us dear but we competed rather well for 4 days in every test. While we violated Australia over the whole course of 5 days when they visited the UAE.
 
Interesting choice of words. I assume you likewise apply them to Pakistan when it toured Aus and NZ.

not really

in Aus we were competitive and in the game for 2 of the 3 test matches

the hammering Australia got in UAE was unheard of for a top side and led their own opener to say that it was 'boys vs men'
 
Except that the Aussies have played 14 Test series in India, but just 8 Test series in Pakistan.

BTW, credit to you that you remember the year i.e 1998 ;-)

Pakistan won its first series against Australia in 1956. It took Australia's 5th visit in 1979 for India to finally win a series against Australia, an Australia devoid of it's best players to WSC.

India might have played Australia in 6 series more at home but they've won only 7 series so far, while Pakistan has beaten them 6 times, just a series less, in so many less tours.

I remember 1998, the year when we became a nuclear power, and Vajpayee came running to fix things because India for the first time saw that they couldn't steamroll Pakistan politically or militarily with the threat of nuclear weapons.
 
Yes! The only team is Australia. They are the second best for a reason and they came close. Rest of the teams do not stand a chance except Australia.
 
Pakistan did annihilate Australia when we whitewashed them in 2014.

The first test in the New Zealand tour was a low scoring affair in which their batsmen struggled to score against our bowlers as well. It was a bad game for batsmen all around.

The 2nd test Pakistan was actually going for the win in the final session to draw the series, which led to a batting collapse. It was a close game which Pakistan almost won, but should have drawn.

The first test against Australia was an epic.

The 2nd test had a double hundred from Azhar and we declared our first innings. A final day collapse won Australia the game.

The 3rd test had a typical big daddy hundred from Younis, and a more disciplined batting display on the final day would have drawn that game too.

No annihilation or violation of Pakistan took place on these tours during the games, our typical final day collapses cost us dear but we competed rather well for 4 days in every test. While we violated Australia over the whole course of 5 days when they visited the UAE.

Lots of excuses for a team that went 0-7 and could not even draw a game. Losing 9 wickets in the final session to lose a game is a lot worse than anything Australia experienced in the UAE.
 
The last series they played in England and Australia. You can use CricInfo by yourself if you did not bother to watch any of those matches.

I really do not like to waste my time debating with someone who thinks Pakistani test team cannot survive 40-50 overs in a test match in India.

I'' be honest I haven't watched many Pak test cricket lately but the recent ODIs I have seen them - they don't tend to bat even the alloted 50 overs in the match - which ofcourse would make you wonder whether they can last in test
 
not really

in Aus we were competitive and in the game for 2 of the 3 test matches

the hammering Australia got in UAE was unheard of for a top side and led their own opener to say that it was 'boys vs men'

Seriously, 0-5 is much much worse than 0-2.
 
Lots of excuses for a team that went 0-7 and could not even draw a game. Losing 9 wickets in the final session to lose a game is a lot worse than anything Australia experienced in the UAE.

Test cricket is about 5 days not a single session. Australia were brow-beaten and outplayed in every session for 5 days that is what you call annihilation. Drawing and winnings sessions throughout the game, and collapsing horribly in one session does not equal an annihilation in test cricket. I thought someone with an in depth knowledge of the game like yourself would understand that.
 
Seriously, 0-5 is much much worse than 0-2.

It was 5-0 over two series, Australia lot 5-0 over two series to Pakistan and Sri Lanka as well. Don't distort facts at least, please.
 
Looking at how our pacers are performing , we should win even on non spin tracks.

your pacers that too in tests lol.... Srinath, Zaheer Khan, ...... u still finding one test pacer to add one next to Zak... in addition to that srinath and zak are also avg 30+ in tests...Only Kapil dev has an avg less than 30 and I need to mention his avg is 29.64
 
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