Can India avoid a 0-5 Test series whitewash at the hands of Australia in the Border-Gavaskar Trophy 2024-25?

[Nikhil_cric]

Rain and swing , kookaburra is better again this is me being hopeful

Seam movement and bounce. Chinnaswamy is anyway the fastest pitch in India . But that covered track was offering a ridiculous amount of movement.

And Rohit chose to bat on that

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The last time they won a match in Australia was 16 tests and 14 years ago. Since then, their record has been 13-0 in 15 tests.

And that was when Australia were in transition too. Their bowling attack was ***** with a clueless timid Johnson and some garbage forgettable spinner - Doherty/Hauritz type.

 

[shariqnoor]

Kohli's record in Australia is outstanding. Australian pitches are one of the best for batting. Kohli would be relishing the tour. It would be his getaway from spin and seam.

 

[Varun]

And that was when Australia were in transition too. Their bowling attack was ***** with a clueless timid Johnson and some garbage forgettable spinner - Doherty/Hauritz type.

Yeah, also Michael Beer.

 

[Varun]

Seam movement and bounce. Chinnaswamy is anyway the fastest pitch in India . But that covered track was offering a ridiculous amount of movement.

And Rohit chose to bat on that

I looked out of the window that morning and it was so cloudy. But Mr. Sajdeh clearly has a greater IQ than me.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I looked out of the window that morning and it was so cloudy. But Mr. Sajdeh clearly has a greater IQ than me.

Yeah I woke up that morning fully expecting Rohit to bowl first after seeing the grey skies in the morning but also because the pitch had been under covers for a couple of days apparently.

Who the hell chooses to bat first on a covered pitch?

Very stupid decision

 

[BunnyRabbit]

India will put up a good fight and the series will be a closely fought one again. Pujara has been their crown jewel in Australia.
Australia themselves are in a state of transition. Smith isn't what he used to be and been looking very mortal in tests in last few years (not to the extent of Kohli though). Labuschagne is also out of his honeymoon phase and don't think he'll end up as a 50+ averaging batter. India have historically countered Starc the best and he's on his last legs too. Head, Khawaja, Cummins and Hazlewood are expected to be the big thorns for India.

 

[MMHS]

I think, we'll see new pacers from Australia in this series - no way 34/33 years old Strac & Josh can play 10 Tests, Cummins himself is 31+. There are few really good options - Fargus O'neil, Joe Paris, Bartlett, Richardson..... Boland is still active. Bowling wise, Aussies won't struggle, but their batting is probably at per or worse than last two tours - however, this time they'll face a much inferior Indian attack.

 

[Vikram1989]

According to some reports Rohit is likely not available for first two test so its better to give bumrah or pant full time captaincy for indian test team.

Then it does not make sense to have easwaran as his back up.if sai can have another decent score,it's better to have him as eswaran was atrocious in the practice match. He was dropped, ran like a deer in the headlights to reach other end and got run out.

 

[Devadwal]

Then it does not make sense to have easwaran as his back up.if sai can have another decent score,it's better to have him as eswaran was atrocious in the practice match. He was dropped, ran like a deer in the headlights to reach other end and got run out.

Easwaran deserve a chance ahead of everyone . He has earned a debut by scoring huge runs in domestic. Lets see how he is perform

 

[Devadwal]

@FearlessRoar add a poll about series results.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

@FearlessRoar add a poll about series results.

Poll added

 

[Devadwal]

Josh Hazelwood said "Whitewash(0-3vs NZ) might have Awaken a 'Sleeping Giant ".

 

[jnaveen1980]

Hope rain saves them in a match or two. This is the most over the hill team ever since 2012. So be prepared for the whitewash.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Josh Hazelwood said "Whitewash(0-3vs NZ) might have Awaken a 'Sleeping Giant ".

but India will be underpressure now as their prime batters are not clicking... i think India must bring Pujara and Rahane there as both are experienced and already performed in Australian conditions specially pujara his evrage is around 50 there.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Anil Kumble 'Surprised' By BCCI's Move Following New Zealand Test Series Humiliation

Former Indian cricket team spinner Anil Kumble was left surprised by BCCI's decision to cancel the practice game ahead of the first Test match against Australia in Perth starting November 22. The Indian cricket team was going to play a practice match against India A but following the Test series whitewash against New Zealand, the BCCI decided to scrap the encounter. During a discussion on JioCinema, Kumble said that the practice match would have ideal preparation for Rohit Sharma and Co before adding that such match practice cannot be achieved by just net sessions.

“I'm a bit surprised that India don't have a practice match going into the first Test because that would have been an ideal preparation. No matter how much you practice in the nets, going out in the middle and facing a few bowlers in the match is totally different,” he said.

Right-handed batter KL Rahul and wicketkeeper-batter Dhurv Jurel are on their way to link up with the India A squad ahead of their second four-day game against Australia A, set to begin at the Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG) from November 7.

Sources told IANS that Rahul and Jurel left for Melbourne on Sunday night after the third Test ended at the Wankhede Stadium, which India lost by 25 runs to New Zealand and suffer a 3-0 series defeat.

As per the sources, Rahul and Jurel will join the India ‘A' squad by Tuesday, and get to play in the second four-day game, with an eye to give them some game time before linking up with the main Test team to prepare for the all-important Border-Gavaskar Trophy series, starting on November 22 in Perth. It will be followed by games in Adelaide, Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney till January 7, 2025.

Rahul played three Tests in the Indian home season, with his last game coming via the hosts' series opener against New Zealand at the M Chinnaswamy Stadium in Bengaluru. After making scores of 0 and 12 in that game, where India lost by eight wickets, he didn't feature in remainder of the series.

On the other hand, Jurel didn't get a game to play in the five Tests India played at home, though he did get to feature as a substitute wicketkeeper in the first Test at Bengaluru after Rishabh Pant hurt his knee while being on keeping duties.

The first four-day game saw India A, captained by Ruturaj Gaikwad, suffer a heavy seven-wicket defeat at the Great Barrier Reef Arena in Mackay, Queensland, with left-handed batters B Sai Sudharsan and Devdutt Padikkal along with pacer Mukesh Kumar being the standout performers.

NDTV

 

[Devadwal]

Really poor from indian team to cancel the practice game .

Why are they not sending main team to Australia now when they are free. Why are they waiting for 10 or 11 November .

 

[Devadwal]

but India will be underpressure now as their prime batters are not clicking... i think India must bring Pujara and Rahane there as both are experienced and already performed in Australian conditions specially pujara his evrage is around 50 there.

Rahane is not even performing Ranji trophy. But i think pujara is not a bad choice he still can play some role in this struggling batting line up

Jaiswal
Rohit
Pujara
Virat
Gill
Pant

Ideally i want to replace Rohit and virat also but they are undroppable.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Yes India can avoid a 5-0 whitewash but Ghambir need to keep his master stroke of selecting Aakash Deep going and keep playing him in all 5 test matches....

 

[RidiculousMan]

India will win the series

 

[Devadwal]

India will win the series

We are talking about how to avoid The whitewash and you're thinking india is winning the series.

 

[Mamoon]

India will win the series

They can’t without my आशीर्वाद. (aasheervaad)

This time they will get rinsed.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

One thing that will not help India is the Aussies may not lay out the Phattas they did previously.

They were happy to lay out these pitches to appease the sponsors and the BCCI but this time they will be answerable to their own public too who won't tolerate another series defeat for the sake of commercial agreements.

Justin Langer has publicly called this flat pitch strategy out so it seems it was well known in Aussie circles that this was deliberately taking place.

Here is what Langer said recently.
"If Australia is organised and smart this summer, it will ensure that visitors see plenty of pace and bounce. History should remind them that doing India a favour by playing them on flat pitches proves counterproductive, an error and a lesson from the last two series. Australian curators were too kind the last two times around."

The Australian flat pitch strategy was similar to the one Rameez Raja deployed but the Aussies weren't scrutinized as much because the defeats came to India.

This time we may see the real Australia.

 

[Devadwal]

They can’t without my आशीर्वाद.

This time they will get rinsed.

We won a ICC trophy after 11 year when you finally stop supporting us.

 

[Varun]

One thing that will not help India is the Aussies may not lay out the Phattas they did previously.

They were happy to lay out these pitches to appease the sponsors and the BCCI but this time they will be answerable to their own public too who won't tolerate another series defeat for the sake of commercial agreements.

Justin Langer has publicly called this flat pitch strategy out so it seems it was well known in Aussie circles that this was deliberately taking place.

Here is what Langer said recently.
"If Australia is organised and smart this summer, it will ensure that visitors see plenty of pace and bounce. History should remind them that doing India a favour by playing them on flat pitches proves counterproductive, an error and a lesson from the last two series. Australian curators were too kind the last two times around."

The Australian flat pitch strategy was similar to the one Rameez Raja deployed but the Aussies weren't scrutinized as much because the defeats came to India.

This time we may see the real Australia.

Pitches on our last two tours - both of which we won - were rarely flat though.

In the first one (2018), I remember Jadeja scored like an 86 in the final test, which was higher than any Australian score in the entire series.

In the second one, I think 400 might have been breached only once, if at all.

 

[Devadwal]

One thing that will not help India is the Aussies may not lay out the Phattas they did previously.

They were happy to lay out these pitches to appease the sponsors and the BCCI but this time they will be answerable to their own public too who won't tolerate another series defeat for the sake of commercial agreements.

Justin Langer has publicly called this flat pitch strategy out so it seems it was well known in Aussie circles that this was deliberately taking place.

Here is what Langer said recently.
"If Australia is organised and smart this summer, it will ensure that visitors see plenty of pace and bounce. History should remind them that doing India a favour by playing them on flat pitches proves counterproductive, an error and a lesson from the last two series. Australian curators were too kind the last two times around."

The Australian flat pitch strategy was similar to the one Rameez Raja deployed but the Aussies weren't scrutinized as much because the defeats came to India.

This time we may see the real Australia.

Have you watched the last series? First two test were low scoring matches and Australia had not cross 200+ runs Mark's in any four innings.

Actually spicey pitches are best case for india to win The test as our bowler can bowled them out cheaply and our oldies can Play few Cameo here and there

 

[Varun]

If Australia roll out their usual roads, we are done.

I'm taking of the Warner 300 type scores - might happen in every game.

 

[Vikram1989]

They were happy to lay out these pitches to appease the sponsors and the BCCI but this time they will be answerable to their own public too who won't tolerate another series defeat for the sake of commercial agreements.

Justin Langer has publicly called this flat pitch strategy out so it seems it was well known in Aussie circles that this was deliberately taking place.

Langer is completely a hypocrite. In Melbourne aus rolled out a green pitch after 36 all out.Aus themselves rolled out for 190 odd . rahane and jadeja played a very good knock to secure the lead.Again in gabba, smith dismissal and blows to pujara in second innings alone will say whether the pitch is flat or not.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Here is what Langer said recently.
"If Australia is organised and smart this summer, it will ensure that visitors see plenty of pace and bounce. History should remind them that doing India a favour by playing them on flat pitches proves counterproductive, an error and a lesson from the last two series. Australian curators were too kind the last two times around."

Lol Langer is a sour loser, can't accept the fact he was the coach when India won the series.The Brisbane wicket had pace and bounce like all Brissy wickets when India beat em there.

You can never get pace and bounce in Sydney, Melbourne wicket has not changed in the last 25 years its always been the same.

Your boys weren't good enough to win Justin, accept the beating and humbly acknowledge it rather than making sour grape excuses

 

[Romali_rotti]

Have you watched the last series?

So what else is new. Trust a Pakistani to sing Langer's tunes like there is no tommorow if the opposition is India.

 

[Pakhs]

For the first time in over a decade, India enters this series with numerous uncertainties. They were recently whitewashed 3-0 at home, Kohli and Rohit are aging and showing signs of decline, and questions linger about the fitness of Bumrah and others. These factors make the series both intriguing and challenging to predict. While Australia might start as favorites, a 5-0 outcome seems unlikely.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Kohli and Rohit are aging and showing signs of decline, .

Showing signs of decline?

Bruh..

Kohli is done, he has done nothing meaningful in years, how in the world is he even in the side should be the question....

 

[BouncerGuy]

Test skipper Pat Cummins, along with Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazlewood, Marnus Labuschagne and Steve Smith, will miss the final 50-over game against Pakistan at Perth Stadium to finalize their Test program.

They are prioritizing Red-ball and getting prepared for the BGT. INDIA BE SCARED, BE VERY SCARED.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

One thing that will not help India is the Aussies may not lay out the Phattas they did previously.

They were happy to lay out these pitches to appease the sponsors and the BCCI but this time they will be answerable to their own public too who won't tolerate another series defeat for the sake of commercial agreements.

Justin Langer has publicly called this flat pitch strategy out so it seems it was well known in Aussie circles that this was deliberately taking place.

Here is what Langer said recently.
"If Australia is organised and smart this summer, it will ensure that visitors see plenty of pace and bounce. History should remind them that doing India a favour by playing them on flat pitches proves counterproductive, an error and a lesson from the last two series. Australian curators were too kind the last two times around."

The Australian flat pitch strategy was similar to the one Rameez Raja deployed but the Aussies weren't scrutinized as much because the defeats came to India.

This time we may see the real Australia.

The only phatta they laid out was in Sydney and they themselves could not 20 wickets on that.

None of the other pitches were flat

 

[Devadwal]

India A vs Australia A in 2nd test .

Easwaran -0
Rahul -4
Sai - 0
Tuktukraj -4
Nitish Reddy -16
Jurel -80 runs

All the Big name failed badly except Jurel .

 

[umerz]

4 -1 to Australia. I think India still has quality in their team to win a test match

 

[MANU ROY]

India A vs Australia A in 2nd test .

Easwaran -0
Rahul -4
Sai - 0
Tuktukraj -4
Nitish Reddy -16
Jurel -80 runs

All the Big name failed badly except Jurel .

Indian fans new hope is jurel. sarfaraz failed miserably after 1st test against nz

 

[Vikram1989]

Now jurel is mostly poised for 5/6th position. So who is the opener?. Is it ever struggling clown kl or domestic bully ,who cant even survive 10 balls in both matches, eswaran ?

 

[Devadwal]

Now jurel is mostly poised for 5/6th position. So who is the opener?. Is it ever struggling clown kl or domestic bully ,who cant even survive 10 balls in both matches, eswaran ?

No option but has to Play kl . Easwaran is not suitable for Australian condition .

 

[RexRex]

Indian XI for Perth

Rohit
Jaiswal
Gill
Kohli
Pant
Jurel
Washington
Ashwin
Bumrah
AkashDeep
Siraj

 

[Devadwal]

Indian XI for Perth

Rohit
Jaiswal
Gill
Kohli
Pant
Jurel
Washington
Ashwin
Bumrah
AkashDeep
Siraj

No use of two spinner . either play four fast bowler or extra batsman.

 

[RexRex]

No use of two spinner . either play four fast bowler or extra batsman.

What would your team be ?

 

[Dhakar Pola]

India might win the series and you are asking can they avoid 5-0 white wash? NZ series was a series, Aus series is another series

 

[Vikram1989]

No option but has to Play kela . Easwaran is not suitable for Australian condition .

If sai can score another good knock in next innings, we should go with him .otherwise at this rate ,washed up rohit looks better than the other 2 worst openers .I am quite surprised how shocking our selection committee is.without any ounce of logic, they selected eswaran. They should have waited till the end of A tour to check.

 

[Devadwal]

What would your team be ?

Jaiswal
Rahul(Assuming Rohit is not available and KL is better than easwaran IN SENA )
Gill
Virat
Pant
Jurel ( Wk)
Washington
Harshit
Akashdeep
Siraj/ Prasidh/ Or any extra batsman if they want to Play with 3+1 combination
Bumrah

 

[Devadwal]

If sai can score another good knock in next innings, we should go with him .otherwise at this rate ,washed up rohit looks better than the other 2 worst openers .I am quite surprised how shocking our selection committee is.without any ounce of logic, they selected eswaran. They should have waited till the end of A tour to check.

Sai is not in the team so no point of discussion.

 

[Devadwal]

Dhruv Jurel has scored 80 and 68 runs in 2nd unofficial test against australia A.

He should he selected over KL and sarfaraz for 1st test vs australia.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Dhruv Jurel has scored 80 and 68 runs in 2nd unofficial test against australia A.

He should he selected over KL and sarfaraz for 1st test vs australia.

Yep. He looked in good touch there. I think he should be preferred over the other 2. But India might not be able to save whitewash anyways.

 

[Ab Fan]

My team for Perth test( assuming it’s a proper fast bowling conditions) :-

Jaiswal
Rahul
Gill
Kohli
Pant
Jurel(wk)
Jadeja
Harshit
Bumrah
Prasidh
Siraj

Now, Rahul doesn’t deserve to play for India anymore but I need an opener and till Rohit is back, we need to have KL there due to his experience .

 

[Devadwal]

My team for Perth test( assuming it’s a proper fast bowling conditions) :-

Jaiswal
Rahul
Gill
Kohli
Pant
Jurel(wk)
Jadeja
Harshit
Bumrah
Prasidh
Siraj

Now, Rahul doesn’t deserve to play for India anymore but I need an opener and till Rohit is back, we need to have KL there due to his experience .

Rohit is playing the first test after Metting with Jay Shah and Gauti .

Jais
Rohit
Gill
Kohli
Pant
Jurel ( wk)
Washi
Harshit
Akashdeep
Prasidh
Jassi .

This should be ideal team for First test from available options .

 

[Ab Fan]

Rohit is playing the first test after Metting with Jay Shah and Gauti .

Jais
Rohit
Gill
Kohli
Pant
Jurel ( wk)
Washi
Harshit
Akashdeep
Prasidh
Jassi .

This should be ideal team for First test from available options .

Yup makes sense then. But I don’t think Jaddu will be dropped. Sundar will sit out.

 

[Devadwal]

Yup makes sense then. But I don’t think Jaddu will be dropped. Sundar will sit out.

Sundar will get extra bounce due to his height and perth is always offer extra bounce. both are same when comes to batting but Jadeja has more experience so he may Play ahead of washi.

Siraj is toothless these days hopefully they will select Harshit, Akashdeep and prasidh ahead of him.

 

[Vikram1989]

Sundar will get extra bounce due to his height and perth is always offer extra bounce.

Washi is not a regular offspinner and got a good game in both departments at gabba. So he is more like yo succeed in Perth than an almost washed up jaddu.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Indian XI for Perth

Rohit
Jaiswal
Gill
Kohli
Pant
Jurel
Washington
Ashwin
Bumrah
AkashDeep
Siraj

Jadeja ahead of Ashwin by far

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Hopefully Sundar plays in the first test, he should bat no lower than number 7 though.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Jadeja ahead of Ashwin by far

Why do we even need two spinners at Perth?

4 pacers and one spin allrounder should be preferred. Sundar is a better batsman than Jadeja so I will take him.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

My team for Perth test( assuming it’s a proper fast bowling conditions) :-

Jaiswal
Rahul
Gill
Kohli
Pant
Jurel(wk)
Jadeja
Harshit
Bumrah
Prasidh
Siraj

Now, Rahul doesn’t deserve to play for India anymore but I need an opener and till Rohit is back, we need to have KL there due to his experience .

Will Harshit play? Any chance of that?

He hasn’t yet debuted for India also didn’t go with the A team.

 

[Devadwal]

Why do we even need two spinners at Perth?

4 pacers and one spin allrounder should be preferred. Sundar is a better batsman than Jadeja so I will take him.

I think if pitch is spicey then better to go with 3+ 1 combination .

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Why do we even need two spinners at Perth?

4 pacers and one spin allrounder should be preferred. Sundar is a better batsman than Jadeja so I will take him.

Yeah. That's the better choice - 4 pacers. But I wouldn't play 2 off spinners anywhere in Australia.

 

[Ab Fan]

Sundar will get extra bounce due to his height and perth is always offer extra bounce. both are same when comes to batting but Jadeja has more experience so he may Play ahead of washi.

Siraj is toothless these days hopefully they will select Harshit, Akashdeep and prasidh ahead of him.

Ultimately it will be the pacers who will have to do bulk of efforts to pick 20 wickets since Jaddu and Sundar are both spin all rounders whose effectiveness will be reduced in SeNa.

My concern is #8 and we don’t have any Shardul-like option there.

 

[Ab Fan]

Will Harshit play? Any chance of that?

He hasn’t yet debuted for India also didn’t go with the A team.

He is clearly behind Bumrah, Siraj, Prasidh and Mukesh in reckoning at least after ongoing India A match. So,less likely that he will play because he is only barely better than these guys with bat.

But then what are the options for #8 position in Perth assuming Bumrah, Siraj and Prasidh are your other three pacers?

 

[Devadwal]

India 'A' is whitewash by Australia 'A' in a 2 test match series .

This is season of whitewash for indian team .

3-0 vs NZ
2-0 vs Australia A

Likely 5-0 against Australia .

 

[Vikram1989]

But then what are the options for #8 position in Perth assuming Bumrah, Siraj and Prasidh are your other three pacers?

Why can't we have nitish at 8.he is a decent bowler as per tour match and decent bat.cant go extreme levels of thakur but a steady hand.

As.per form.bowlers should be

Bumrah
Prasid
Akashdeep
Ar pacer
spin

If rohit is not available for first match at Perth, I will prefer washi as opener and reddy at 8.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Why can't we have nitish at 8.he is a decent bowler as per tour match and decent bat.cant go extreme levels of thakur but a steady hand.

As.per form.bowlers should be

Bumrah
Prasid
Akashdeep
Ar pacer
spin

If rohit is not available for first match at Perth, I will prefer washi as opener and reddy at 8.

He is not really a decent bowler, nowhere near Shardul.

 

[Vikram1989]

He is not really a decent bowler, nowhere near Shardul.

He bowled almost 15 overs and gave 48 runs with 0 wickets in second match.in first match I think he got 2 or 3 wickets at almost same stats.problem with us is is we dont have any batting cushion .atelast we can hope some magic out of bowling unit to restrict aus on a spicy pitch.

 

[Devadwal]

Nitish is neither a good bowler nor a batsman so no need to play him.

 

[gazza619]

If Bumrah is fit and plays 4 out of 5 tests and India keeps hold of the catches, they can still win the series.

For me it is 3-2 to India.

 

[Ab Fan]

He bowled almost 15 overs and gave 48 runs with 0 wickets in second match.in first match I think he got 2 or 3 wickets at almost same stats.problem with us is is we dont have any batting cushion .atelast we can hope some magic out of bowling unit to restrict aus on a spicy pitch.

Very young and inexperienced. Neither is he a Pandya level talent.

 

[Vikram1989]

Very young and inexperienced. Neither is he a Pandya level talent.

Yeah but harshit at 8 will enhance the strong suit but won't fix our weak batting.we are almost in a situation where every run from our batsmen is bonus. We just have to hope jaiswal,Gill,pant,jurel,washi/jaddu will take care of batting for entire bgt.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I would be shocked if India manage to avoid an absolute hammering on this tour.

Bumrah and Pant are going to have to shoulder alot of the load.

 

[Devadwal]

So its confirmed that Rohit is not travelling with the team and likely to Miss the first test

 

[Ahmed216]

So its confirmed that Rohit is not travelling with the team and likely to Miss the first test

Good for him.

Will be good for his career if he stays away from this tour entirely and India's chances of winning will also increase

 

[Devadwal]

Good for him.

Will be good for his career if he stays away from this tour entirely and India's chances of winning will also increase

Perth is the only venues where india needed Rohit Sharma .

 

[Devadwal]

 

[Vikram1989]

I hope washi plays as opener instead of KL or easwaran. Washi can score something and bowl. We can have jadeja at 7 .now entire attention will be on Kohli performance.

 

[Devadwal]

Aussie have more faith in our batting than us ,i was thinking more along the line of 2 day max

 

[kron]

Nitish is neither a good bowler nor a batsman so no need to play him.

Wouldn't write him off

He is only 21 cmon.

 

[Devadwal]

Wouldn't write him off

He is only 21 cmon.

He is still not ready to play test cricket ,maybe after some time.

He is definitely suitable for limited overs

 

[Cricket Warrior]

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one of them surely going to breal the barrier... most probably steve smith!

 

[Mahee]

if Dhruv Jurel can make it to the final 11, India can compete with australia but will still lose it 0-5