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The title says it all.

India has been bundled out for 100 runs twice in under 45 overs. Hard to recover from such shocks. Aus can win this series too if it's another rank turner.

What should India do differently and what changes team should make?

I for one want Kuldeep to replace Jayant and Nair to replace Ishant.

Team for 2nd Test

Rahul
Vijay
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Nair
Saha (too bad. He will play again)
Ashwin
Kuldeep
Jaddu
Yadav

3spinners are enough to get 20 Aus wickets.

It's the batting that has let down India big time. Cannot play 4 batsman and Saha and bowling all rounders.

What will be your changes?
 
Don't think so. Australia - like England in 2012 will run away from here.

Who's Kuldeep though? Kumar should come in.
 
India will win the series.

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First and foremost Rahane needs to be dropped. He's a disgrace against spin.
 
I don't think we will be seeing too many rank turners now.
We should still win it, but it's going to be a whole lot closer than everybody thought it would be.
 
They'll probably prepare flat tracks in the next matches now and Warner and co will cash in.
 
Next pitch will be a road to build Indian confidence/kill the spin confidence of Australia.
 
No the can't! The humiliation has taken place. Even if India win 3-1 now, the kind of statements Indian fans and ex players were making, they should have won 4-0 or 3-0. A loss in such a manner cannot be compensated by even a 3-1 series win by India.
 
London_Lahori said:
Next pitch will be a road to build Indian confidence/kill the spin confidence of Australia.
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And Australia will be in their natural habitat. Warner will score 200*.

We can't win from here.
 
Indian team needs complete changes of personel for the 2nd test as a lot of the players will be mentally shot for years after such humiliation.
 
India have always struggled in the first test but have come back strong. Even in the England series they almost got away with a draw but came back. 3-1 India.
 
Go back to flat wickets, hope you win the toss and the Aussies play badly.
 
Can India bounce back after this humiliation?

No because Aussies are good against bounce :))
 
Bengaluru said:
India have always struggled in the first test but have come back strong. Even in the England series they almost got away with a draw but came back. 3-1 India.
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I knew this would happen when I saw india's performance against Bangla. I haven't seen any other no 1 team failing to wrap up the match before the 5th day against the no 9 team in their own backyard.

This team is in decline. Expecting aussies to thrash us badly in next couple of tests as well.
 
Pleasantly surprised here. Expected India to win this one easily.

It will be interesting to see what kind of tracks are prepared for the rest of series.

India at home are a very hard team to beat, so all credit to Aussies & SOK.

Still back India to win the series (although won't complain if Australia win it :smith )
 
They definitely can, they´re the home side and being that is often the thing that counts the most in Test cricket, especially of late. I wouldn´t base my judgment on one Test match, they´ve been on a winning streak over months now. Kohli sure knows how to get his team going, whether that be with the bat or as captain. Can happen to any team.

Good on Australia, a proud and inspiring performance. Them shunning the rotten theory of Lehmann of playing Test cricket in Asia, that "Go for your shots because one of them is going to have your name on it", is the key to success here. They got their heads down, were ready to grind it out and it paid off. Can´t believe a coach would want his Test team to adopt a T20 styled slogging approach over five days! So good on them to have learned from their mistakes, but they´ll be tested in the next three matches.
 
no doubt India will prepare a road for the next Test and then it will depend on which bowling attack will be more skillful and able to coax a wicket which will favour the Indian bowlers who are more skilled in these conditions. These rank turners like greentops can make bowlers like O'Keefe and Binny look world class.
 
volcyz said:
Useless Ishants career should be already over
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To be honest It should've been over long long ago. But he always finds a way to get back to the team. He must be worst bowler in the history of cricket to play over 70 tests
 
Expect Warner and Starc to win a match for Australia.

So Australia may either win the series or at maximum a draw
 
SunRay said:
To be honest It should've been over long long ago. But he always finds a way to get back to the team. He must be worst bowler in the history of cricket to play over 70 tests
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At this rate he'll play 200. Watch out, Sachin.
 
The effects of this long Indian summer cannot be underestimated.

When you've played 9 Tests in a season and are now playing in your 10th, fatigue builds both physically and mentally no matter how fit you think you are. How many times can you keep going to the well ?

And that's not mentioning all the limited overs matches. India have a big fight on their hands in this series.
 
If aus bat first and score over 350 india will not win because they will not drop catches like india and even convert half chances


Only if india bat first and score big then they can put aus under score board pressure.

If india loses again in Bangalore then india will lose the series
 
Markhor said:
The effects of this long Indian summer cannot be underestimated.

When you've played 9 Tests in a season and are now playing in your 10th, fatigue builds both physically and mentally no matter how fit you think you are. How many times can you keep going to the well ?

And that's not mentioning all the limited overs matches. India have a big fight on their hands in this series.
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Australia have played same number of matches as well.
 
SunRay said:
If India dares to give flat tracks to aussies then expect Warner and Smith to end Ishant's career.
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It is not Australian style flat pitches. The ball is not going to rise for cuts and pulls, and also the pace. Also not easy to hit the older ball in Tests as in LOIs. There's difference.
 
troodon said:
I think Rahane had been vc for the past 3 or 4 series.

Rahane earned it based on his abroad performances. Selectors did not know that Sir Midget can't play spin.
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I think people have not watched closely how well Nair batted against spinners in that innings, and are only complaining the flatness of the pitch. Rahane has been the same even on flat pitches against spinners. I am sure teams will use spinners against him even when we tour!
 
If this pitch was Nagpur or Indore, I can bet Australia would have struggled and not India. What helped Australia more was their spinner naturally bowl the length required to bowl in a pitch with true bounce, perhaps even a little more than true. Indian on other hand are used to slow-low pitches, it is no surprise that Ash-Jadeja came 2nd to O'Keefe and Lyon. Pune is a bouncier track.

I expect us to beat Australia in Bangalore comfortably but if we're going with a day 8 track, for godsake Kohli end your fetish with this 6-5 combination. Be sensible, play 3 "PROPER" spinners and Bhuvy. Be smart about the selection, if you want groom pacers for away, then get a pitch prepared where they can have a freaking chance of contributing.

Ishant and Jayant were a passenger in this test, their contribution was zilch.
 
Markhor said:
The effects of this long Indian summer cannot be underestimated.

When you've played 9 Tests in a season and are now playing in your 10th, fatigue builds both physically and mentally no matter how fit you think you are. How many times can you keep going to the well ?

And that's not mentioning all the limited overs matches. India have a big fight on their hands in this series.
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I agree with this, England was a 5 test series and on top of it, it wasn't an easy breeze. India had to fight tooth and nail for their 4 wins after saving the first test. But that is no excuse for their performance.

A lot of things in this test that went wrong could have been avoided. The combination, asking for a pitch that is so bad that even a newb spinner can seem like Herath.

I hope they back themselves to outbat and outbowl Australia in a more sportive pitch (that has some turn but generally good to bat).
 
Cricfan4eva said:
If this pitch was Nagpur or Indore, I can bet Australia would have struggled and not India. What helped Australia more was their spinner naturally bowl the length required to bowl in a pitch with true bounce, perhaps even a little more than true. Indian on other hand are used to slow-low pitches, it is no surprise that Ash-Jadeja came 2nd to O'Keefe and Lyon. Pune is a bouncier track.

I expect us to beat Australia in Bangalore comfortably but if we're going with a day 8 track, for godsake Kohli end your fetish with this 6-5 combination. Be sensible, play 3 "PROPER" spinners and Bhuvy. Be smart about the selection, if you want groom pacers for away, then get a pitch prepared where they can have a freaking chance of contributing.

Ishant and Jayant were a passenger in this test, their contribution was zilch.
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There r so many passengers in indian team which is masked by kohli, pujara performances with good performances from vijay. all other batsmen like rahul, rahane, saha cannot be depended upon and when kohli and pujara fails humiliation awaits and thats what has happened
 
Drreddymd said:
There r so many passengers in indian team which is masked by kohli, pujara performances with good performances from vijay. all other batsmen like rahul, rahane, saha cannot be depended upon and when kohli and pujara fails humiliation awaits and thats what has happened
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Rahul is someone for the future, we need to back him. He will come good. He is a dynamic opener that has defensive and offensive game.

Rahane needs to be put on notice, we have plenty of middle order domestic bats waiting to break in. He's not doing himself any favours by being so inconsistent.

Saha has been used in the most bizarre fashion. I get it, Ashwin can hold a bat but we are not utilising Saha who can probably string a decent partnership more times than Ashwin with the top order. You don't expect Saha to do well with lower order every time he comes out.
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Rahul is someone for the future, we need to back him. He will come good. He is a dynamic opener that has defensive and offensive game.

Rahane needs to be put on notice, we have plenty of middle order domestic bats waiting to break in. He's not doing himself any favours by being so inconsistent.

Saha has been used in the most bizarre fashion. I get it, Ashwin can hold a bat but we are not utilising Saha who can probably string a decent partnership more times than Ashwin with the top order. You don't expect Saha to do well with lower order every time he comes out.
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Saha cannot survive 3 overs against good teams and u want him to bat at no 6?

We are playing batsman short and u want saha who is a tailender against good teams?
 
Drreddymd said:
Saha cannot survive 3 overs against good teams and u want him to bat at no 6?

We are playing batsman short and u want saha who is a tailender against good teams?
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I'd rather have a proper keeper who can average 30 than a keeper who averages 40(which we don't have btw) and drops catch which can be crucial.

Saha is not a tail-ender, he's a decent bat just hasn't been used properly. He has good domestic record, he just needs backing and sending him to bat with tail isn't exactly going to help him.
 
Madplayer said:
No the can't! The humiliation has taken place. Even if India win 3-1 now, the kind of statements Indian fans and ex players were making, they should have won 4-0 or 3-0. A loss in such a manner cannot be compensated by even a 3-1 series win by India.
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What has their statement got to do with Indian cricket team's performance?Did our management or players make such a statement?
 
Cricfan4eva said:
I'd rather have a proper keeper who can average 30 than a keeper who averages 40(which we don't have btw) and drops catch which can be crucial.

Saha is not a tail-ender, he's a decent bat just hasn't been used properly. He has good domestic record, he just needs backing and sending him to bat with tail isn't exactly going to help him.
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Sir from what i have seen against good teams he is worse than keeper batsman. If Ashwin is played ahead of him then u understand his credentials
 
troodon said:
The title says it all.

India has been bundled out for 100 runs twice in under 45 overs. Hard to recover from such shocks. Aus can win this series too if it's another rank turner.

What should India do differently and what changes team should make?

I for one want Kuldeep to replace Jayant and Nair to replace Ishant.

Team for 2nd Test

Rahul
Vijay
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Nair
Saha (too bad. He will play again)
Ashwin
Kuldeep
Jaddu
Yadav

3spinners are enough to get 20 Aus wickets.

It's the batting that has let down India big time. Cannot play 4 batsman and Saha and bowling all rounders.

What will be your changes?
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why would they not be able to compete?

1. has kohli forgotten what cricket is and is going to eat double fudge chocolate cakes 20 times a day and gain 10 kg between this test and the next one?

2. have aliens abducted ashwin and replaced him with one of their own not realizing that ashwin plays cricket and the aliens have no clue what it is about?

3. has jadeja realized that his calling was to become a monk in some himalayan temple and left indian cricket team for his spiritual sojourn?

4. the other 13 in the squad are so heartbroken that they are running back to their mommies never to show their face in public. the other 300 top cricketers in india have gone on a hunger strike because they think that isro missions to mars has more budget than bcci

calm down. india is the number one test team in the world and they have lost a test after idk like 4 years or something. they have quality in their team and they will enjoy the competition. you do not become a bad player because you lose a match here or there.

it is good for cricket that two top teams are going at each other and it is good entertainment. it was a good wake up call for india and kohli and this will help kohli become a better test captain. the series will be competitive but i would not be surprised if india win the next test with an innings and 100 runs. maybe ashwin is not a test number six yet and maybe ishant does not need to play if such pitches are going to be served again.

indian team is a brilliant consistent team that plays good competitive cricket in most conditions. it is one of the rare asian teams that can do well in overseas conditions as well and will continue to get better. a little setback is possibly the best thing that can happen at times. no need to slit the wrists just yet.
 
Drreddymd said:
Sir from what i have seen against good teams he is worse than keeper batsman. If Ashwin is played ahead of him then u understand his credentials
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I think Ashwin is played ahead to give Ashwin more chance to bat properly, and they expect Saha to maximise the tail's potential which imo is unfair, because Saha needs to at least establish himself first.

You may think he is not a proper bat based on his contributions thus far but of what I've seen from his technique and domestic records, he is a decent bat and the best keeper in the country. Not for nothing he's been a shadow keeper to MSD since last 5-6 years.

I am sure various selection panels with years of cricketing experience behind them know a bit more cricket than you or I do?
 
battler said:
I don't think we will be seeing too many rank turners now.
We should still win it, but it's going to be a whole lot closer than everybody thought it would be.
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This is part of the problem, India is not only defeated but defeated in their strongest suit, its hard to see what else they can through at them...Pressure is on India one more loss or draw will put even more pressure...Flat pitch can have high possibility of draw...Rank turners are India's getting out of jail strategy, if that fails, then what to do? :13:
 
Drreddymd said:
Sir from what i have seen against good teams he is worse than keeper batsman. If Ashwin is played ahead of him then u understand his credentials
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Everyone failed today,was he exception here that "only" failed no,there is no guarantee that Parthiv would had scored a fifty here or even a forty ,Saha atleast is way better than Parthiv behind the stumps the only issue being he needs to be given hearing aid coz apparently the dude doesn't hear nicks at all.
 
Sure there are going to be changes. 6 batsmen will be the first safe change. In that case Rahane may retain his place again. I don't think both Nair & Mukund be picked especially with the former being an opener (unless someone is injured, which is another problem with this Indian team). Jayant Yadhav and Ishanth would likely be replaced with Nair and Kuldeep. I think we should try Kuldeep to fox Australia as an unknown entity.

Should we play Mukund as an opener to give that left hand option? (But can he survive the initial starc spell?) Should we include Pandya in place of 2nd seamer and improve our batting depth? So many things to think!
 
I think they will stick to their guns and hope they win the toss. Pitch will be a rank turner in the next game as well, India rarely lose when they bat first; however, AUS no doubt have scarred them so will have to overcome that
 
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Steve O'Keefe : My first six wickets was ordinary

How will they handle second gear?
 
India can only win on highly specialized tracks - they need low bounce, some spin but not too much spin.

This track with bounce and sharp spin completely exposed their batsmen.
 
161 said:
India can only win on highly specialized tracks - they need low bounce, some spin but not too much spin.

This track with bounce and sharp spin completely exposed their batsmen.
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What if I show you games where India destroyed teams on pitches with bounce and sharp spin in recent times?

That ain't the issue.

Issue is we played badly in every discipline.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
What if I show you games where India destroyed teams on pitches with bounce and sharp spin in recent times?

That ain't the issue.

Issue is we played badly in every discipline.
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Issue was that you were facing Steve "Kohli more like LOLli, Ashwin more like Ashlose" O'Keefe
 
They'll be mentally scarred after this, especially with the comforts of home conditions dissipating over the next few months.
 
shaz619 said:
I think they will stick to their guns and hope they win the toss. Pitch will be a rank turner in the next game as well, India rarely lose when they bat first; however, AUS no doubt have scarred them so will have to overcome that
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They cannot remain unchanged. The ploy was working right because it was clicking and the oppositions before were getting trapped. This Australian team have come prepared watching everything. You can also say that India have played a lot of Home Test matches of late. Hence we should change something. At least we should strengthen the batting lineup with 6 batsmen. Remember we did that even against England with Parthiv opening. I am actually not seeing any difference between Parthiv & our regular openers! We cannot afford to lose the next match as well, looking at this defeat our first priority will be to play safe & keep "draw" in mind going into the next match.
 
soso_killer said:
They'll be mentally scarred after this, especially with the comforts of home conditions dissipating over the next few months.
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Sa are also getting mentally scarred right now knowing that their comfort of jamodis dissipating as they prepare for icc tournaments starting with champions tropjy
 
Yes they will bounce back and I really want them to...I was backing India fully because of cocky aussie comments about visiting sub continental teams. I guess it is not simple anymore and India really need to work or they can loose the series it is not off the card anymore.
 
shaz619 said:
I think they will stick to their guns and hope they win the toss. Pitch will be a rank turner in the next game as well, India rarely lose when they bat first; however, AUS no doubt have scarred them so will have to overcome that
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india never been dependent on toss in asia.......australia have won 7 tosses in last 7 test matches in india.....lost 6 matches....south africa and england had also won almost all the tosses ...still they got whitewashed...so yeah but we fielded ,batted,bowled poorly in this match...we took aussies for guranteed here
 
This could go the same way as India's tour of England in 2014. Perhaps Australia have had their "Lord's" moment.
 
Mamoon said:
This could go the same way as India's tour of England in 2014. Perhaps Australia have had their "Lord's" moment.
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I am dreading eng 2012 in India when we were outbowled by swann and monty with ashwin taken to the cleaners as aus are used to hammering ash in Australia
 
Over confidence made them pay. Hope they will bounce back. Should avoid spin track rather sporting track.
 
Madplayer said:
No the can't! The humiliation has taken place. Even if India win 3-1 now, the kind of statements Indian fans and ex players were making, they should have won 4-0 or 3-0. A loss in such a manner cannot be compensated by even a 3-1 series win by India.
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Exactly, at this moment even an Indian B team is expected to whitewash any team at home, even a 3-1 will not UNDO this...this is a permanent blemish in the history of Indian cricket
 
akki said:
india never been dependent on toss in asia.......australia have won 7 tosses in last 7 test matches in india.....lost 6 matches....south africa and england had also won almost all the tosses ...still they got whitewashed...so yeah but we fielded ,batted,bowled poorly in this match...we took aussies for guranteed here
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True but can you really blame India? AUS have been dreadful in asia and the middle east
 
India won first in Eng and then went on to lose 1-3 in Eng. I am pretty sure that Indians will also put much better performance going froward. Doom and gloom prediction based on losing 1 test after so many tests are weird.
 
Buffet said:
India won first in Eng and then went on to lose 1-3 in Eng. I am pretty sure that Indians will also put much better performance going froward. Doom and gloom prediction based on losing 1 test after so many tests are weird.
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I think more than the defeat it is the manner of defeat that has hurt people. We got completely destroyed today.
 
battler said:
I think more than the defeat it is the manner of defeat that has hurt people. We got completely destroyed today.
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Nothing wrong with the way they were beaten, they were beaten by a side that completely outclassed them, no shame in it. If this was a close loss this would have hurt more...
 
India will win the series..

Anyone up for the bet?
 
Aman said:
If every pitch is flat from here, I could see Australia winning at least one more match.
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Australia won't win this..

Anyways here is the bet; whoever looses will disappear from the forum for a month. Let me know before the 2nd match starts.

And no new accounts please.
 
Chrish said:
India will win the series..

Anyone up for the bet?
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Yes india will win it, but i think if aus is able to even draw another match, if not win it, then this series will be seen as failure for indians.As a neutral i think its great for test cricket that this series won't be another dull whitewash.
 
SunRay said:
To be honest It should've been over long long ago. But he always finds a way to get back to the team. He must be worst bowler in the history of cricket to play over 70 tests
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He's India's Test answer to Afridi playing so many ODIs, albeit even worse.
 
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